History Main / EmpireWithADarkSecret

13th Jan '17 7:51:07 AM Kalaong
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** In ''Videogame/MassEffect3'', it is revealed that the asari didn't become galactic top dog by being wisest and smartest and being gifted with natural mind powers. [[spoiler:After encountering the salarians, the two races founded the Citadel Council. One of the highest laws of Citadel Space is that all artifacts of Prothean technology have to be shared with everyone to be studied by the top scientists of all races. Stealing or not revealing any discovery of artifacts is punished very severely and has huge diplomatic and political repercussions. However, the asari never revealed that they had a fully working database beacon on their homeworld for thousands of years, which made them the first species to rediscover the Mass Relays long before anyone else and was almost certainly the basis for genetic engineering that that led to their extremely unusual biology.]]

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** In ''Videogame/MassEffect3'', it is revealed that the asari didn't become galactic top dog by being wisest and smartest and being gifted with natural mind powers. [[spoiler:After encountering [[spoiler:Their abilities were actually ''engineered'' by the salarians, the two races founded the Citadel Council. One of the highest laws of Citadel Space is that all artifacts [[AncientAstronauts Protheans]] - and were even given a complete archive of Prothean technology have - so as to be shared with everyone to be studied by lead galactic civilization in the top scientists of all races. Stealing or not revealing any discovery of artifacts is punished very severely and has huge diplomatic and political repercussions. However, war against the asari never revealed that Reapers. Instead, they had a fully working database beacon on their homeworld for thousands appointed themselves rulers of years, which made them galactic civilization, to the first species to rediscover point of declaring withholding Prothean technology the Mass Relays long before anyone else and was almost certainly the basis for genetic engineering that that led to their extremely unusual biology.worst crime on record.]]
24th Dec '16 3:50:36 PM Gosicrystal
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[NoExceptYes except for that time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[NoExceptYes [[ByNoIMeanYes except for that time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)
30th Nov '16 1:43:41 PM BrendanRizzo
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[NoExceptYes except for that time time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B.S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)empire!)
*** For that matter, the very existence of such things as slavery[[note]]which the US was the very last Western country to abolish, unless one counts Brazil[[/note]] and the century and a half of institutional discrimination that followed, could count as this since American primary schools go to great lengths to imply that the US is the greatest country in the world and that it alone is immune to governmental abuse of power, and therefore [[AmericaWinsTheWar the only reason that other democracies even exist]]. Those Americans who find out otherwise tend to be ''[[MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting pissed]]''.
8th Nov '16 2:46:47 AM Gowan
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* In Lord of the Rings fanfic [[http://archiveofourown.org/works/7142897/chapters/16218209 Heart of the Mountain ]], the mountain kingdom of Erebor is this. The protagonists were not in on the secret and are horrified when they find out.
28th Oct '16 8:41:37 PM mirisu92
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)
22nd Oct '16 10:04:36 PM mirisu92
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** The corruption and violence of the French colonial empire was a big taboo in French society until its collapse. To some extent that taboo persists today. Many French today still do not know that one of the worst famines in history happened in Algeria after France conquered it. And likewise their schenanigans in Indo China and Vietnam. Indeed, it's likely that the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar could have been avoided entirely if France committed itself to decolonization after the war. Instead they persisted in holding on to both Vietnam and Algeria only to lose both amid bloody violence, mass repression and terrorism engendered in reaction to French hegemony.
** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong, and so infectious, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that the US was ever an empire!)

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** The corruption and violence of the French colonial empire was a big taboo in French society until its collapse. To some extent that taboo persists today. Many French today still do not know that one of the worst famines in history happened in Algeria after France conquered it. And likewise their schenanigans shenanigans in Indo China Indochina and Vietnam. Indeed, it's likely that the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar could have been avoided entirely if France committed itself to decolonization after the war. Instead they persisted in holding on to both Vietnam and Algeria only to lose both amid bloody violence, mass repression and terrorism engendered in reaction to French hegemony.
** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong, strong and so infectious, pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that the US was America ever had an empire!)
22nd Oct '16 10:00:38 PM mirisu92
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the Spanish American War, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong, and so infectious, that ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that the US was ever an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the Spanish American War, UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong, and so infectious, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that the US was ever an empire!)
22nd Oct '16 9:59:53 PM mirisu92
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the Spanish American War, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong, even ''the Filipinos themselves'' refuse to see the US as ever having been an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the Spanish American War, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong, even ''the and so infectious, that ''even the Filipinos themselves'' refuse have taken to see denying that the US as was ever having been an empire!)
22nd Oct '16 9:56:54 PM mirisu92
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the Spanish American War, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East.

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the Spanish American War, or that time they established several client states and dictators across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong, even ''the Filipinos themselves'' refuse to see the US as ever having been an empire!)
22nd Oct '16 5:56:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* The Shooting actions and death camps of TheHolocaust were an open secret in wartime Germany, since everyone knew someone (who knew someone [who knew someone]) who was involved in the process and people in general are both curious and gossipy. Interestingly most German military personnel, policemen, civil servants, and civilians later claimed that TheHolocaust had occurred in such remote places and under conditions of such secrecy that they only learned about it after the war. This was untrue, [[BelievingTheirOwnLies but many of the people who claimed this probably thought they were telling the truth. Human memory is subject to change over time as we subconsciously change our memories to fit and justify our view of ourselves and others. An important and well-documented part of this process is forgetting things which contradict our views and remembering things which vindicate them.]]
** Subverting and denying this trope were the main reasons that General Eisenhower made sure that as many German civilians as possible, as well as US troops in the area, visited several Work Camps (where workers who became unfit between January and May '45 who would previously have been euthanized at the recently-liberated Extermination Camps in Poland were left to die of malnutrition) before burial operations had occurred. Eisenhower wanted there to be an overwhelming number of non-Communist eyewitnesses to the atrocities so that no-one could ever reasonably say "it never happened."

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* The Shooting actions and death camps of TheHolocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust were an open secret in wartime Germany, since everyone knew someone (who knew someone [who knew someone]) who was involved in the process and people in general are both curious and gossipy. Interestingly most German military personnel, policemen, civil servants, and civilians later claimed that TheHolocaust had occurred in such remote places and under conditions of such secrecy that they only learned about it after the war. This was untrue, [[BelievingTheirOwnLies but many of the people who claimed this probably thought they were telling the truth. Human memory is subject to change over time as we subconsciously change our memories to fit and justify our view of ourselves and others. An important and well-documented part of this process is forgetting things which contradict our views and remembering things which vindicate them.]]
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]] Subverting and denying this trope were the main reasons that General Eisenhower made sure that as many German civilians as possible, as well as US troops in the area, visited several Work Camps (where workers who became unfit between January and May '45 who would previously have been euthanized at the recently-liberated Extermination Camps in Poland were left to die of malnutrition) before burial operations had occurred. Eisenhower wanted there to be an overwhelming number of non-Communist eyewitnesses to the atrocities so that no-one could ever reasonably say "it never happened."
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