History Main / EmpireWithADarkSecret

16th Oct '17 11:06:52 PM KeithM
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** Mainly because the Turkish government and apologists have gone to great lengths to deny there ever was an Armenian genocide.
20th Sep '17 4:24:04 PM Dravencour
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* The [[AncientConspiracy Lost One Hundred Years]] within the ''Franchise/OnePiece'' universe is kept secret by the paranoid [[TheGovernment World Government]]. Any attempt to learn the lost language to decipher the secrets of the poneglyphs left behind by the long-forgotten civilization (i.e. something close to OUR civilization) that preceded the World Government will result in the [[SenselessWasteOfHumanLife immediate death of the researcher and anyone remotely connected with them]] as well as the obliteration of their research to the point of '''bombing an entire island into rubble'''!

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* The [[AncientConspiracy Lost One Hundred Years]] within the ''Franchise/OnePiece'' universe is kept secret by the paranoid [[TheGovernment World Government]]. Any attempt to learn the lost language to decipher the secrets of the poneglyphs left behind by the long-forgotten civilization (i.e. something close to OUR civilization) that preceded the World Government will result in the [[SenselessWasteOfHumanLife [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife immediate death of the researcher and anyone remotely connected with them]] as well as the obliteration of their research to the point of '''bombing an entire island into rubble'''!
28th Aug '17 8:12:27 PM PaulA
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* This is very nearly the entire story of UrsulaKLeGuin's tale ''[[http://engl210-deykute.wikispaces.umb.edu/file/view/omelas.pdf The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas]]''.
** Basically, it goes like this: She starts out describing a utopia. Then she decides that the readers won't believe in it, and starts trying to add things to change that... but none of them work until she settles on all the happiness and inspiration in the society relying on [[PoweredByAForsakenChild one horribly abused child]]. Right around then is when it solidifies into a little crystal of horror.

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* This is very nearly the entire story of UrsulaKLeGuin's Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's tale ''[[http://engl210-deykute.wikispaces.umb.edu/file/view/omelas.pdf The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas]]''.
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''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas''. Basically, it goes like this: She starts out describing a utopia. Then she decides that the readers won't believe in it, and starts trying to add things to change that... but none of them work until she settles on all the happiness and inspiration in the society relying on [[PoweredByAForsakenChild one horribly abused child]]. Right around then is when it solidifies into a little crystal of horror.
24th Aug '17 11:15:15 AM Jhonny
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** Germany's colonial history is not much of a topic in discussion one way or the other (neither with nostalgia towards the supposed GloryDays nor discussing German crimes) in part because it only lasted roughly 30 years, in part because apart from UsefulNotes/Namibia next to no traces of German colonialism exist and in part because it kinda pales by comparison. That said, during the UsefulNotes/WeimarRepublic there were both those who said Germany was a more benevolent colonial overlord than others and reports from outside Germany (denounced by the political right as propaganda) that said quite the opposite. The one aspect of German colonialism that ''is'' anything close to controversial is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide genocide]] perpetrated by colonial authorities under Lothar von Trotha against the Herero and Namaqua in what is now Namibia. While both the descendants of von Trotha and the German government have apologized, it took them awfully long and the descendants of the victims still haven't gotten any sort of restitution of stolen property or reparation for those murdered. That said, German speaking Namibians tend to be more apologetic towards the colonial era, pointing out that they were discriminated against after Germany lost control of the territory in 1915 and South Africa took over (later on they were regarded as "fellow whites" by the Apartheid authorities, however).
22nd Aug '17 12:59:49 AM Koveras
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* The Sith Empire in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' hides an even darker secret than in the original movies, even though the vast majority of its citizens sees it as a more organized and less blatantly corrupt version of the Republic. Sure, there is rampant social Darwinism mired in outright racism, and they are ruled by a clique of insane Force-users who constantly murder each other and innocent bystanders for power and profit, but at least the social ladder makes sure the capable get all the way to the top, and the Emperor, while not benevolent, has a good enough grip on the other Sith and is far enough from the common folk for them to respect him in earnest. [[spoiler:Well, in fact, the Sith Emperor doesn't give a flying crap about the Empire he founded, the Sith he nominally rules, and the rest of the petty state matters. The whole Empire thing got started to create enough docile population for him to kickstart a Dark Side of the Force ritual that would ultimately consume ''all'' life in the Galaxy Far, Far Away and elevate him to [[PhysicalGod immortality and omnipotence]]. The only reason why he hasn't succeeded yet was the efforts of the two VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic, Revan and the Exile, and now it's mainly up to the Hero of Tython (the Jedi Knight class character in ''SWTOR'') to stop him for good, while the Empire remains by and large blissfully unaware of all this. It gets worse in the latest expansion Knights of the Fallen Empire. Not only does he not care for the Sith Empire at all, not only was he just using it as fuel for his ritual, but he was also secretly building ''another'' Empire, the Zakuul Eternal Empire, at the same time, on the other side of the galaxy. This is the reason why the Emperor had a tendency to remain silent for centuries at a time: his attention was focused on Zakuul via his avatar there, Emperor Valkorion.]]

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* The Sith Empire in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' hides an even darker secret than in the original movies, even though the vast majority of its citizens sees it as a more organized and less blatantly corrupt version of the Republic. Sure, there is rampant social Darwinism mired in outright racism, and they are ruled by a clique of insane Force-users who constantly murder each other and innocent bystanders for power and profit, but at least the social ladder makes sure [[EqualOpportunityEvil the capable get all the way to the top, top]], and the Emperor, while not benevolent, has a good enough grip on the other Sith and is far enough from the common folk for them to respect him in earnest. [[spoiler:Well, in fact, the Sith Emperor doesn't give a flying crap about the Empire he founded, the Sith he nominally rules, and the rest of the petty state matters. The whole Empire thing got started to create enough docile population for him to kickstart a Dark Side of the Force ritual that would ultimately consume ''all'' life in the Galaxy Far, Far Away and elevate him to [[PhysicalGod immortality and omnipotence]]. The only reason why he hasn't succeeded yet was the efforts of the two VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic, Revan and the Exile, and now it's mainly up to the Hero of Tython (the Jedi Knight class character in ''SWTOR'') to stop him for good, while the Empire remains by and large blissfully unaware of all this. It gets worse in the latest expansion Knights of the Fallen Empire. Not only does he not care for the Sith Empire at all, not only was he just using it as fuel for his ritual, but he was also secretly building ''another'' Empire, the Zakuul Eternal Empire, at the same time, on the other side of the galaxy. This is the reason why the Emperor had a tendency to remain silent for centuries at a time: his attention was focused on Zakuul via his avatar there, Emperor Valkorion.]]
18th Aug '17 6:57:19 PM Skebaba
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*** The aforementioned C'Tan was placed there by the Emperor, who intentionally wanted to inspire the people on Mars to be creative technologically (at least that's what he aimed for, when he first used Farseeing to see into the future).
3rd Aug '17 1:15:34 PM anty21
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* As with the former examples, in present-day Turkey it is currently illegal to affirm that the Ottoman government was involved in the Armenian genocide, and one risks going to jail for doing so.
10th Jul '17 1:16:11 AM mirisu92
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** The British can't quite get away with saying that they ''[[ImplausibleDeniability weren't]]'' an empire. Instead much ink is spilled in Parliament and conservative press and literature about how the English were more benevolent than the other Empires, and how much worse things would have been if they hadn't conquered these nations. A counterfactual presented as a defense, often in the vein of invoking BenevolentAlienInvasion and WhatTheRomansHaveDoneForUs! Never mind such blunders of diplomacy as the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the Irish Troubles, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the Partition of India, all of them consequences of British policies and whose consequences still persist to this day.

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** The British can't quite get away with saying that they ''[[ImplausibleDeniability weren't]]'' an empire. Instead much ink is spilled in Parliament and conservative press and literature about how the English were more benevolent than the other Empires, Empires (an argument taken UpToEleven, of course, by the United States in its own imperial conquests), and how much worse things would have been if they hadn't conquered these nations. A counterfactual presented as a defense, often in the vein of invoking BenevolentAlienInvasion and WhatTheRomansHaveDoneForUs! Never mind such blunders of diplomacy as the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the Irish Troubles, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the Partition of India, all of them consequences of British policies and whose consequences still persist to this day.
31st May '17 8:03:51 PM nombretomado
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* ''TheWheelOfTime'' has two.

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* ''TheWheelOfTime'' ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' has two.
16th May '17 6:51:49 PM nombretomado
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* In ScottWesterfeld's ''Literature/{{Succession}}'' series, the Risen Empire (a collection of 80 inhabited planets) is ruled by the Risen Emperor, who invented immortality in the form of a symbiote that attaches to corpses and brings them back to life. Of course, it turns out that [[spoiler:this only works for 500 years or so, instead of true immortality]]. Needless to say, things get ugly.
** Scott Westerfield likes this Trope. The society in ''{{Uglies}}'' relies on the government performing operations on everyone that cripple their ability to think independently, and it's enforced by SuperSoldiers.

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* In ScottWesterfeld's Creator/ScottWesterfeld's ''Literature/{{Succession}}'' series, the Risen Empire (a collection of 80 inhabited planets) is ruled by the Risen Emperor, who invented immortality in the form of a symbiote that attaches to corpses and brings them back to life. Of course, it turns out that [[spoiler:this only works for 500 years or so, instead of true immortality]]. Needless to say, things get ugly.
** Scott Westerfield likes this Trope. The society in ''{{Uglies}}'' ''Literature/{{Uglies}}'' relies on the government performing operations on everyone that cripple their ability to think independently, and it's enforced by SuperSoldiers.
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