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14th Sep '16 12:00:24 AM HighCrate
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*** Though, ironically, the Chaos Gods don't benefit from people devotedly and piously praying to the Emperor either. It's just that the Emperor's method of suppressing the Chaos Gods involved people shedding all superstition and unnecessary beliefs, which would have inconvenienced the Chaos Gods. He may have also betrayed them on some joint project at some point as well, it's never made explicit.



*** According to an in-universe source, anyway, which other Eldar don't seem to recognize. 40K canon is about as twisted and contradictory as ''Elder Scrolls'' lore.



*** Ironically, it was the Emperor himself who imprisoned the Void Dragon on [[spoiler:Mars]] during the Middle Ages, as part of a BatmanGambit that would allow the foundation of the Adeptus Mechanicus (whom he needed to conquer the galaxy) thousands of years down the line.
13th Sep '16 11:56:40 PM HighCrate
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* As ObviouslyEvil as TheEmpire of ''Franchise/StarWars'' is, the public ''are'' largely unaware that their Emperor is actually a Sith Lord who engineered the Clone Wars because DespotismJustifiesTheMeans.



* Admittedly TheEmpire of ''Franchise/StarWars'' has the fairly simple dark secret of being run by an Emperor who does not actually have anyone else's best interests in mind, and this secret isn't all that secret. Throughout the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse there are Imperials who realize that they take issue with the Empire's methods and the things it has done to maintain itself. Most of them promptly join the Rebellion.
** The public ''are'' largely unaware that he is actually a Sith Lord, however; and, of course, they don't seem much aware of the fact that the Clone Wars were engineered by him because DespotismJustifiesTheMeans, or that the Jedi were framed, ''etc''. The Rebellion did its best to get word out about the numerous crimes of the Empire, but most citizens believed it to be Rebel propaganda.
** The five stormtroopers in ''Literature/{{Allegiance}}'' go through a HeelRealization and see that the Empire they joined to serve is vastly more callous, [[FantasticRacism xenophobic]], and outright uncaring about the lives of citizens than they had ever imagined. Realizing this contributes to them sort-of-accidentally killing an officer who took one of them to task for [[NeverHurtAnInnocent refusing to shoot unarmed civilians]], and then they go on the run. In the same book we see that the Emperor's personal agent, Mara Jade, is fully aware of what people say about Palpatine. She just doesn't believe any of it, even if she's got a faint, repressed undercurrent of doubt.
** Mara Jade is introduced in ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'' and her entire CharacterArc for that story is basically one long HeelRealization about just how evil the man she had been serving really was. She always knew he wasn't a ''nice'' intergalactic dictator, but she was still haunted by his [[TitleDrop last command]] to avenge his death by killing Luke Skywalker; its only when she finds out that ''Vader'' was the killer, and the reason she was to kill Luke Skywalker was that he was actually Vader's son and thus it was a [[EvilIsPetty spiteful]] RevengeByProxy, that she started to realize just how horrible he was, helped by her finding out that Luke himself was a pretty cool guy and TheEmpire she had been serving caused a lot more damage than she knew.
*** It's actually stated outright by several former Imperials who joined up with the Rebellion that the openness of the evils and dark secrets in the Empire is one of the reasons so ''many'' Imperials defect. Even if a normal person could rationalize a single destroyed planet far away, the Empire has destroyed or enslaved well over a dozen by the time the Rebels take the capital. Alderaan wasn't even the first. Kashyyyk, Ralltiir, Hethrir's homeworld of Firrerro, Toprawa, Despayr, Aeten 2, and as many as a dozen more were enslaved outright, destroyed, or depopulated, either through direct Imperial action or proxies (Camaas, Honoghr). As one defector explained, Alderaan could be explained or rationalized as Tarkin's folly, but when it ''kept happening,'' the Empire's reputation became its own worst enemy.
** The planet Necropolis in ''Literature/GalaxyOfFear'' has a weird subversion of this trope. They have a story that would make a great Dark Secret and a reason for why zombies are occasionally seen on the planet - a witch lived there hundreds of years ago, the Necropolitans murdered her son, she cursed them with zombies - but it's part of local mythology, and the locals cheerfully tell it to visitors. Maybe this really happened, maybe it didn't. The reason zombies are seen on Necropolis is totally innocuous, or it was until a MadScientist moved in - the local wildlife includes boneworms, which make fresh corpses spasm and sometimes outright move.
16th Aug '16 1:55:17 AM PaulA
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* ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'': This is a peculiar case where it is the viewpoint society that is this. The dark secret is that the previous Emperor deliberately lost a war in order to assassinate his son Prince Serg in the process, because that was considered the LesserOfTwoEvils compared with letting him come to the throne. Yes, [[TheCaligula Prince Serg really was that bad]].
3rd Aug '16 10:07:46 PM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII's'' Shin-Ra corporation holds an arguably exclusive secret; the Mako they use to make everyone's lives better is actually an extract of the life force of the planet.
** It's not exactly a secret in-game, it's just that most of the population doesn't care because either their lives are too comfortable or they are too miserable and desperate for it to matter. Of those who do care, only a handful are willing to actually stand up to the Shin-Ra army and try to do something about it.

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII's'' Shin-Ra corporation holds an arguably exclusive secret; the Mako they use to make everyone's lives better is actually an extract of the life force of the planet.
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planet. While the general idea is an open secret in-game, it's just that and most of the population doesn't care because either people go about their busy lives knowing they're literally draining the spirit of their planet for batteries, the company goes to great lengths to hide the REAL costs behind mining and refining the stuff - including the fact that the hordes of monsters that live everywhere and in everything are too comfortable or they are too miserable in fact the byproducts / experiments of Mako, and desperate for it to matter. Of those that an alien parasite swarm-lady who do care, only a handful are willing found this Mako-rich planet and nearly wiped civilization out to actually stand up to the claim it has been ''injected into every supersoldier Shin-Ra army and try to do something about it.has''.
15th Jul '16 9:52:30 PM damus2300
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt''. While he acknowledges that slavery exists, Moses freaks when he finds out that his adoptive father was responsible for mass murder of Hebrew babies.
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17th May '16 10:27:33 AM MaulMachine
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*** Though, ironically, the Chaos Gods don't benefit from people devotedly and piously praying to the Emperor either. It's just that the Emperor's method of suppressing the Chaos Gods involved people shedding all superstition and unnecessary beliefs, which would have inconvenienced the Chaos Gods. He may have also betrayed them on some joint project at some point as well, it's never made explicit.



*** According to an in-universe source, anyway, which other Eldar don't seem to recognize. 40K canon is about as twisted and contradictory as ''Elder Scrolls'' lore.



** The fact that the ''entire game-setting'' is a construct built by the Dark Powers, via dubious methods and for unknown purposes, also qualifies.

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** The fact that the ''entire game-setting'' is a construct built by the Dark Powers, via dubious methods and for unknown purposes, also qualifies. The Powers aren't the mightiest forces in the settings of Dungeons and Dragons, but they are close; they still take great pains to not reveal who they actually are.
17th May '16 10:21:03 AM MaulMachine
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*** It's actually stated outright by several former Imperials who joined up with the Rebellion that the openness of the evils and dark secrets in the Empire is one of the reasons so ''many'' Imperials defect. Even if a normal person could rationalize a single destroyed planet far away, the Empire has destroyed or enslaved well over a dozen by the time the Rebels take the capital. Alderaan wasn't even the first. Kashyyyk, Ralltiir, Hethrir's homeworld of Firrerro, Toprawa, Despayr, Aeten 2, and as many as a dozen more were enslaved outright, destroyed, or depopulated, either through direct Imperial action or proxies (Camaas, Honoghr). As one defector explained, Alderaan could be explained or rationalized as Tarkin's folly, but when it ''kept happening,'' the Empire's reputation became its own worst enemy.
22nd Mar '16 1:45:15 PM 20person
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*** Ironically, it was the Emperor himself who imprisoned the Void Dragon on [[spoiler:Mars]] during the Middle Ages, as part of a BatmanGambit that would allow the foundation of the Adeptus Mechanicus (whom he needed to conquer the galaxy) thousands of years down the line.
20th Jan '16 8:27:33 AM Willbyr
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* ''GiantRobo: The Day The Earth Stood Still'' has the miraculous Shizuma Drive, which ushers in the Third Energy Revolution and a new golden age for all mankind. Trouble is [[spoiler:the first, hasty test of the Shizuma Drive wipes out an entire country in the Tragedy of Bashtarle, killing uncounted millions of people]]

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* ''GiantRobo: ''Manga/GiantRobo: The Day The Earth Stood Still'' has the miraculous Shizuma Drive, which ushers in the Third Energy Revolution and a new golden age for all mankind. Trouble is [[spoiler:the first, hasty test of the Shizuma Drive wipes out an entire country in the Tragedy of Bashtarle, killing uncounted millions of people]]



* The [[AncientConspiracy Lost One Hundred Years]] within the ''OnePiece'' universe is kept secret by the paranoid [[TheGovernment World Government]]. Any attempt to learn the lost language to decipher the secrets of the poneglyphs left behind by the long-forgotten civilization (i.e. something close to OUR civilization) that preceded the World Government will result in the [[SenselessWasteOfHumanLife immediate death of the researcher and anyone remotely connected with them]] as well as the obliteration of their research to the point of '''bombing an entire island into rubble'''!

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* The [[AncientConspiracy Lost One Hundred Years]] within the ''OnePiece'' ''Franchise/OnePiece'' universe is kept secret by the paranoid [[TheGovernment World Government]]. Any attempt to learn the lost language to decipher the secrets of the poneglyphs left behind by the long-forgotten civilization (i.e. something close to OUR civilization) that preceded the World Government will result in the [[SenselessWasteOfHumanLife immediate death of the researcher and anyone remotely connected with them]] as well as the obliteration of their research to the point of '''bombing an entire island into rubble'''!



* SEELE in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is running a thousand-year old AncientConspiracy. Not only they've influenced humanity's advancement towards their AssimilationPlot but part of this influence was intentionally causing a global catastrophe (the awakening of Adam in the Antarctic which led to the melting of the polar ice caps and global sea levels rising and destroying all coastal settlements, this plus the resulting wars ending with a death toll of ''three billion'') but covering it up as an asteroid impact. Oh, and the CapturedSuperEntity they worship and want to use for said AssimilationPlot? A sentient terraforming device of alien origin (although they might not realize it themselves, the "sacred" Dead Sea Scrolls are actually an instruction manual misinterpreted as religious text). And the kicker: not only the AssimilationPlot will be what is essentially TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, SEELE's leadership of humanity from behind the scenes subtly influenced society in such a way that no one is 100% sane anymore and global birth rates are dropping rapidly so either they successfully pull out Instrumentality or '''humanity will die out in a few generations'''.

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* SEELE in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is running a thousand-year old AncientConspiracy. Not only they've have they influenced humanity's advancement towards their AssimilationPlot but part of this influence was intentionally causing a global catastrophe (the awakening of Adam in the Antarctic which led to the melting of the polar ice caps and global sea levels rising and destroying all coastal settlements, this plus the resulting wars ending with a death toll of ''three billion'') but covering it up as an asteroid impact. Oh, and the CapturedSuperEntity they worship and want to use for said AssimilationPlot? A sentient terraforming device of alien origin (although they might not realize it themselves, the "sacred" Dead Sea Scrolls are actually an instruction manual misinterpreted as religious text). And the kicker: not only the AssimilationPlot will be what is essentially TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, SEELE's leadership of humanity from behind the scenes subtly influenced society in such a way that no one is 100% sane anymore and global birth rates are dropping rapidly so either they successfully pull out Instrumentality or '''humanity will die out in a few generations'''.
10th Dec '15 5:52:03 AM JulianLapostat
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* This is true about nearly ''any'' and every country with a history of imperialism that wants to promote national pride in the present day. Some argue that this is especially bad in and/or hypocritical in the case of imperialism done by putatively democratic nations. Conquerers and Kings [[AtLeastIMadeIt make no bones about them taking over other nations]]. The idea of "benign" empire, i.e. conquest disguised as civilizing missions was developed by Parliamentary Britain and Republican France to justify why, despite supporting principles of sovereignty at home, they chose to deny it to people in colonies abroad. The same applies to the USSR's empire, which occupied Poland and much of Eastern Europe.

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* This is true about nearly ''any'' and every country with a history of imperialism that wants to promote national pride in the present day. Some argue that this is especially bad in and/or hypocritical in the case of imperialism done by putatively democratic nations. Conquerers and Kings [[AtLeastIMadeIt [[AtLeastIAdmitIt make no bones about them taking over other nations]]. The idea of "benign" empire, i.e. conquest disguised as civilizing missions was developed by Parliamentary Britain and Republican France to justify why, despite supporting principles of sovereignty at home, they chose to deny it to people in colonies abroad. The same applies to the USSR's empire, which occupied Poland and much of Eastern Europe.
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