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22nd Aug '17 12:59:49 AM Koveras
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* The Sith Empire in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' hides an even darker secret than in the original movies, even though the vast majority of its citizens sees it as a more organized and less blatantly corrupt version of the Republic. Sure, there is rampant social Darwinism mired in outright racism, and they are ruled by a clique of insane Force-users who constantly murder each other and innocent bystanders for power and profit, but at least the social ladder makes sure the capable get all the way to the top, and the Emperor, while not benevolent, has a good enough grip on the other Sith and is far enough from the common folk for them to respect him in earnest. [[spoiler:Well, in fact, the Sith Emperor doesn't give a flying crap about the Empire he founded, the Sith he nominally rules, and the rest of the petty state matters. The whole Empire thing got started to create enough docile population for him to kickstart a Dark Side of the Force ritual that would ultimately consume ''all'' life in the Galaxy Far, Far Away and elevate him to [[PhysicalGod immortality and omnipotence]]. The only reason why he hasn't succeeded yet was the efforts of the two VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic, Revan and the Exile, and now it's mainly up to the Hero of Tython (the Jedi Knight class character in ''SWTOR'') to stop him for good, while the Empire remains by and large blissfully unaware of all this. It gets worse in the latest expansion Knights of the Fallen Empire. Not only does he not care for the Sith Empire at all, not only was he just using it as fuel for his ritual, but he was also secretly building ''another'' Empire, the Zakuul Eternal Empire, at the same time, on the other side of the galaxy. This is the reason why the Emperor had a tendency to remain silent for centuries at a time: his attention was focused on Zakuul via his avatar there, Emperor Valkorion.]]

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* The Sith Empire in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' hides an even darker secret than in the original movies, even though the vast majority of its citizens sees it as a more organized and less blatantly corrupt version of the Republic. Sure, there is rampant social Darwinism mired in outright racism, and they are ruled by a clique of insane Force-users who constantly murder each other and innocent bystanders for power and profit, but at least the social ladder makes sure [[EqualOpportunityEvil the capable get all the way to the top, top]], and the Emperor, while not benevolent, has a good enough grip on the other Sith and is far enough from the common folk for them to respect him in earnest. [[spoiler:Well, in fact, the Sith Emperor doesn't give a flying crap about the Empire he founded, the Sith he nominally rules, and the rest of the petty state matters. The whole Empire thing got started to create enough docile population for him to kickstart a Dark Side of the Force ritual that would ultimately consume ''all'' life in the Galaxy Far, Far Away and elevate him to [[PhysicalGod immortality and omnipotence]]. The only reason why he hasn't succeeded yet was the efforts of the two VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic, Revan and the Exile, and now it's mainly up to the Hero of Tython (the Jedi Knight class character in ''SWTOR'') to stop him for good, while the Empire remains by and large blissfully unaware of all this. It gets worse in the latest expansion Knights of the Fallen Empire. Not only does he not care for the Sith Empire at all, not only was he just using it as fuel for his ritual, but he was also secretly building ''another'' Empire, the Zakuul Eternal Empire, at the same time, on the other side of the galaxy. This is the reason why the Emperor had a tendency to remain silent for centuries at a time: his attention was focused on Zakuul via his avatar there, Emperor Valkorion.]]
18th Aug '17 6:57:19 PM Skebaba
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*** The aforementioned C'Tan was placed there by the Emperor, who intentionally wanted to inspire the people on Mars to be creative technologically (at least that's what he aimed for, when he first used Farseeing to see into the future).
3rd Aug '17 1:15:34 PM anty21
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* As with the former examples, in present-day Turkey it is currently illegal to affirm that the Ottoman government was involved in the Armenian genocide, and one risks going to jail for doing so.
10th Jul '17 1:16:11 AM mirisu92
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** The British can't quite get away with saying that they ''[[ImplausibleDeniability weren't]]'' an empire. Instead much ink is spilled in Parliament and conservative press and literature about how the English were more benevolent than the other Empires, and how much worse things would have been if they hadn't conquered these nations. A counterfactual presented as a defense, often in the vein of invoking BenevolentAlienInvasion and WhatTheRomansHaveDoneForUs! Never mind such blunders of diplomacy as the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the Irish Troubles, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the Partition of India, all of them consequences of British policies and whose consequences still persist to this day.

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** The British can't quite get away with saying that they ''[[ImplausibleDeniability weren't]]'' an empire. Instead much ink is spilled in Parliament and conservative press and literature about how the English were more benevolent than the other Empires, Empires (an argument taken UpToEleven, of course, by the United States in its own imperial conquests), and how much worse things would have been if they hadn't conquered these nations. A counterfactual presented as a defense, often in the vein of invoking BenevolentAlienInvasion and WhatTheRomansHaveDoneForUs! Never mind such blunders of diplomacy as the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the Irish Troubles, the Arab-Israeli conflict and the Partition of India, all of them consequences of British policies and whose consequences still persist to this day.
31st May '17 8:03:51 PM nombretomado
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* ''TheWheelOfTime'' has two.

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* ''TheWheelOfTime'' ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' has two.
16th May '17 6:51:49 PM nombretomado
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* In ScottWesterfeld's ''Literature/{{Succession}}'' series, the Risen Empire (a collection of 80 inhabited planets) is ruled by the Risen Emperor, who invented immortality in the form of a symbiote that attaches to corpses and brings them back to life. Of course, it turns out that [[spoiler:this only works for 500 years or so, instead of true immortality]]. Needless to say, things get ugly.
** Scott Westerfield likes this Trope. The society in ''{{Uglies}}'' relies on the government performing operations on everyone that cripple their ability to think independently, and it's enforced by SuperSoldiers.

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* In ScottWesterfeld's Creator/ScottWesterfeld's ''Literature/{{Succession}}'' series, the Risen Empire (a collection of 80 inhabited planets) is ruled by the Risen Emperor, who invented immortality in the form of a symbiote that attaches to corpses and brings them back to life. Of course, it turns out that [[spoiler:this only works for 500 years or so, instead of true immortality]]. Needless to say, things get ugly.
** Scott Westerfield likes this Trope. The society in ''{{Uglies}}'' ''Literature/{{Uglies}}'' relies on the government performing operations on everyone that cripple their ability to think independently, and it's enforced by SuperSoldiers.
3rd May '17 4:23:18 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[ByNoIMeanYes except for that time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[ByNoIMeanYes except for that time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and [[TheGeneralissimo dictators]] across [[BananaRepublic Latin America America]] and [[{{Qurac}} the Middle East.East]], or that ''long'' period of time during which they systematically displaced and exterminated most of the UsefulNotes/{{Native American|s}} population. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)
13th Jan '17 7:51:07 AM Kalaong
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** In ''Videogame/MassEffect3'', it is revealed that the asari didn't become galactic top dog by being wisest and smartest and being gifted with natural mind powers. [[spoiler:After encountering the salarians, the two races founded the Citadel Council. One of the highest laws of Citadel Space is that all artifacts of Prothean technology have to be shared with everyone to be studied by the top scientists of all races. Stealing or not revealing any discovery of artifacts is punished very severely and has huge diplomatic and political repercussions. However, the asari never revealed that they had a fully working database beacon on their homeworld for thousands of years, which made them the first species to rediscover the Mass Relays long before anyone else and was almost certainly the basis for genetic engineering that that led to their extremely unusual biology.]]

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** In ''Videogame/MassEffect3'', it is revealed that the asari didn't become galactic top dog by being wisest and smartest and being gifted with natural mind powers. [[spoiler:After encountering [[spoiler:Their abilities were actually ''engineered'' by the salarians, the two races founded the Citadel Council. One of the highest laws of Citadel Space is that all artifacts [[AncientAstronauts Protheans]] - and were even given a complete archive of Prothean technology have - so as to be shared with everyone to be studied by lead galactic civilization in the top scientists of all races. Stealing or not revealing any discovery of artifacts is punished very severely and has huge diplomatic and political repercussions. However, war against the asari never revealed that Reapers. Instead, they had a fully working database beacon on their homeworld for thousands appointed themselves rulers of years, which made them galactic civilization, to the first species to rediscover point of declaring withholding Prothean technology the Mass Relays long before anyone else and was almost certainly the basis for genetic engineering that that led to their extremely unusual biology.worst crime on record.]]
24th Dec '16 3:50:36 PM Gosicrystal
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[NoExceptYes except for that time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[NoExceptYes [[ByNoIMeanYes except for that time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)
30th Nov '16 1:43:41 PM BrendanRizzo
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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, except for that time they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)

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** The United States is absolutely not an Empire, [[NoExceptYes except for that time time]] they conquered Mexico (which Ulysses B.S. Grant himself admitted was little more than land grabbing), or that time they conquered the Philippines in the UsefulNotes/SpanishAmericanWar, or that time they established several [[BananaRepublic client states and dictators]] across Latin America and the Middle East. (In the case of the Philippines, American doublethink in its colonial policy was so strong and so pervasive, that today ''even the Filipinos themselves'' have taken to denying that America ever had an empire!)empire!)
*** For that matter, the very existence of such things as slavery[[note]]which the US was the very last Western country to abolish, unless one counts Brazil[[/note]] and the century and a half of institutional discrimination that followed, could count as this since American primary schools go to great lengths to imply that the US is the greatest country in the world and that it alone is immune to governmental abuse of power, and therefore [[AmericaWinsTheWar the only reason that other democracies even exist]]. Those Americans who find out otherwise tend to be ''[[MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting pissed]]''.
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