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29th Aug '16 11:55:16 PM permeakra
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The downsides of extreme Stoicism are LackOfEmpathy and [[CreativeSterility inability]] to act outside [[KnightTemplar personal code]]. A [[TheUnfettered completely composed]] Stoic runs the risk of not letting ''any'' human considerations weigh on their judgement if they are [[ExtremeDoormat capable of any independent action at all]]. In extreme cases it may lead to complete [[TheSlacker lack of motivation outside basic needs]] and [[TheSociopath disregard towards human life]].

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The downsides of extreme Stoicism are LackOfEmpathy and [[CreativeSterility inability]] to act outside [[KnightTemplar personal code]]. A [[TheUnfettered completely composed]] Stoic runs the risk of not letting ''any'' human considerations weigh on their judgement if they are [[ExtremeDoormat capable of any independent action at all]]. In extreme cases it may lead to complete [[TheSlacker lack of motivation motivation]] outside basic needs]] needs and [[TheSociopath [[ItsAllAboutMe disregard towards human life]].others]] outside written law.
29th Aug '16 11:42:11 PM permeakra
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However, there is a downside to extreme Stoicism: a [[ExtremeDoormat lack of drive]] and at times [[WellIntentionedExtremist a worrying]] LackOfEmpathy. A [[TheUnfettered completely composed]] Stoic runs the risk of not letting ''any'' human considerations weigh on their judgement. Essentially, without a bit of emotion to anchor them, the character may well float off into unreachable heights.

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However, there is a downside to The downsides of extreme Stoicism: a [[ExtremeDoormat lack of drive]] Stoicism are LackOfEmpathy and at times [[WellIntentionedExtremist a worrying]] LackOfEmpathy. [[CreativeSterility inability]] to act outside [[KnightTemplar personal code]]. A [[TheUnfettered completely composed]] Stoic runs the risk of not letting ''any'' human considerations weigh on their judgement. Essentially, without a bit judgement if they are [[ExtremeDoormat capable of emotion to anchor them, the character any independent action at all]]. In extreme cases it may well float off into unreachable heights.
lead to complete [[TheSlacker lack of motivation outside basic needs]] and [[TheSociopath disregard towards human life]].
29th Aug '16 11:06:47 PM permeakra
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' there are the Chaos Gods, hellish demons that embody (and are actually created by) the emotions of the sentient beings in the galaxy. All manner of cults and religions do unspeakable acts fueled by zealous fervor because it's part of their dogmas and faiths. [[MessianicArchetype The Messiah]], which practically all of humanity worship with the same zeal, [[{{Irony}} on the other hand, was a proponent of science, logic, and atheism.]]

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' there are the Chaos Gods, hellish demons that embody (and are actually created by) the emotions of the sentient beings in the galaxy. All manner of cults and religions do unspeakable acts fueled by zealous fervor because it's part of their dogmas and faiths. [[MessianicArchetype The Messiah]], which practically all of humanity worship with the same zeal, [[{{Irony}} on the other hand, was a proponent of science, logic, and atheism.]]]] His teachings failed, and in the 'modern' age of WH40k extreme dogmatism and hatred to the enemies of Imperium of men is considered a virtue. For a [[ThePowerOfHate good reason]].
29th May '16 1:11:34 AM RacattackForce
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* This is part of the difference between the Crystal and Homeworld Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse''. The Crystal Gems follow Rose's belief about the importance and power of love, while the Homeworld Gems are taught to follow logic and rationality to advance the interests of the Diamonds and the Gem Empire. [[spoiler:This leads to Peridot defecting to the Crystal Gems when, after spending enough time on Earth to reconsider her initial impression of it, decided that destroying it for the sake of the Cluster despite the resources it could offer, and contacts Yellow Diamond to explain her conclusions. Peridot's worldview is then shattered when Yellow Diamond refuses to listen and insists that the Earth be destroyed anyways, causing Peridot to insult her and Yellow Diamond to try and kill her by detonating the communications device Peridot was using]].

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* This is part of the difference between the Crystal and Homeworld Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse''. The Crystal Gems follow Rose's belief about the importance and power of love, while the Homeworld Gems are taught to follow logic and rationality to advance the interests of the Diamonds and the Gem Empire. [[spoiler:This leads to [[spoiler:Interestingly, even after Peridot defecting defects to the Crystal Gems when, after spending enough time on Earth to reconsider her initial impression of it, decided that destroying it for the sake of the Cluster despite the resources it could offer, and contacts Yellow Diamond to explain her conclusions. Peridot's worldview is then shattered when Yellow Diamond refuses to listen and insists that to her logical conclusions considering the Earth be destroyed anyways, causing Peridot to insult planet's destruction by the Cluster, the character mostly retains her and Yellow Diamond to try and kill her by detonating the communications device Peridot was using]].stoic outlook]].
27th May '16 3:40:34 PM Chariset
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* The two main attorneys of ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' exemplify this. Defense lawyer Phoenix Wright goes into every case armed with little more than his heartfelt belief in his client's innocence. His rival, prosecutor Miles Edgeworth, is calm, logical, and believes in saying the truth, no matter how unpleasant. It's made clear over the course of the games that both approaches bring a certain clarity and a certain blindness, and that the two of them get better results together than either one would alone.
26th Feb '16 11:11:09 AM LadyNorbert
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The TropeMaker is the Hellenistic Greeks' philosophy of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism Stoicism,]] although they did not encourage self-denial so much as but abolishing the source of desire entirely, something that is also the goal of Buddhism - the quintessential Stoic did not at all lack emotions, much to the opposite, but rather endeavored not to be driven by their emotions (feel sadness but not grief, feel pleasure but not become addicted to it, etc). It also loosely correlates with the Bible's teachings of controlling the "flesh", which usually involves controlling ones' emotions and urges.

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The TropeMaker is the Hellenistic Greeks' philosophy of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism Stoicism,]] although they did not encourage self-denial so much as but abolishing the source of desire entirely, something that entirely. This is also the goal of Buddhism - the quintessential Stoic did not at all lack emotions, much to quite the opposite, but rather endeavored not to be driven by their emotions (feel sadness but not grief, feel pleasure but not become addicted to it, etc). It also loosely correlates with the Bible's teachings of controlling the "flesh", which usually involves controlling ones' emotions and urges.
12th Feb '16 9:20:10 PM Donquill
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* This is part of the difference between the Crystal and Homeworld Gems in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse''. The Crystal Gems follow Rose's belief about the importance and power of love, while the Homeworld Gems are taught to follow logic and rationality to advance the interests of the Diamonds and the Gem Empire. [[spoiler:This leads to Peridot defecting to the Crystal Gems when, after spending enough time on Earth to reconsider her initial impression of it, decided that destroying it for the sake of the Cluster despite the resources it could offer, and contacts Yellow Diamond to explain her conclusions. Peridot's worldview is then shattered when Yellow Diamond refuses to listen and insists that the Earth be destroyed anyways, causing Peridot to insult her and Yellow Diamond to try and kill her by detonating the communications device Peridot was using]].
12th Dec '15 11:29:50 AM Morgenthaler
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* A common theme in ''Series/{{Sirens}}'' with stoic Stuart intent on conquering all his emotions and psychological defence mechanisms but to the annoyance of the local therapist.

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* A common theme in ''Series/{{Sirens}}'' ''Series/SirensUK'' with stoic Stuart intent on conquering all his emotions and psychological defence mechanisms but to the annoyance of the local therapist.
1st Oct '15 1:31:42 AM VVK
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Despite what [[StrawVulcan Captain Emotion and the Emotioneers]] would have you believe, being [[TheMcCoy emotional and caring]] is not [[LightIsNotGood in and of itself a good thing.]] In fact, the more emotional and less self controlled a character, [[PassionIsEvil the more likely they are to fall]] to TheDarkSide. Conversely, the more [[TheStoic stoic]], [[TheSpock composed]], and self-denying a character the more likely they are to be good and in line with TheForce.

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Despite what [[StrawVulcan Captain Emotion and the Emotioneers]] Emotioneers [[StrawVulcan would have you believe, believe]], being [[TheMcCoy emotional and caring]] is not [[LightIsNotGood in and of itself a good thing.]] In fact, the more emotional and less self controlled a character, [[PassionIsEvil the more likely they are to fall]] to TheDarkSide. Conversely, the more [[TheStoic stoic]], [[TheSpock composed]], and self-denying a character the more likely they are to be good and in line with TheForce.
28th Sep '15 4:01:15 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* The Dunyain from R. Scott Bakker's SecondApocalypse books are major stoics, literally. They were heavily based on the ideas of Greek Stoicism and the concept of the Sage. This contrasts with the Cishaurim whose powers are derived from passion.

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* The Dunyain from R. Scott Bakker's SecondApocalypse ''Literature/SecondApocalypse'' books are major stoics, literally. They were heavily based on the ideas of Greek Stoicism and the concept of the Sage. This contrasts with the Cishaurim Cishaurim, whose powers are derived from passion.
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