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3rd Mar '18 3:15:08 AM XFllo
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* Inverted in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series, where Harry is consistently brash and emotional while Voldemort seems generally more cold and [[strike: [[YouFailLogicForever logical]]]] rational. It is said outright at one point that Harry's emotions towards Voldemort are what ''prevent'' him from going to the Dark Side. At the same time, however, Voldemort is generally considered the more powerful between the two and it is ''his'' moments of high emotion that inevitably screw him over.
** Harry has the one emotion that Voldemort does not: love. He has the capacity to care for others and ''this'' is what prevents him from going to the Dark Side. Love verus evil is a major theme. In fact, Harry's [[spoiler: sacrifice in the final book]] is the climax. However, Harry is not irrational in the least. He's emotional, he's rational, he's ''human'', even if he's a bit angsty at some points, but that's not a stretch considering how many people die due to Voldemort. Harry vs. Voldemort is not emotions vs. stoicism, but love vs. evil. Besides, Voldemort is prone to fits of rage and only appears calm. He's more like a volcano about to erupt. With ''hate''.
** Also worth noting: aside from Voldemort, the main driver of the plot is Albus Dumbledore, who rarely exhibits anything but logic (and who blames his few mistakes on getting too emotional). The other plot driver, of course, is Snape, whose one long-buried emotional attachment is solely responsible for his HeelFaceTurn. So ... the general theme seems to be that love is good, but only if it's not Dumbledore's?
*** It's obsessive love that is explicitly described as dangerous -- examples include Dumbledore's, but also Merope Gaunt's.

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* Inverted in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series, where Harry is consistently brash and emotional while Voldemort seems generally more cold and [[strike: [[YouFailLogicForever logical]]]] rational. It is said outright at one point that Harry's emotions towards Voldemort are what ''prevent'' him from going to the Dark Side. At the same time, however, Voldemort is generally considered the more powerful between the two and it is ''his'' moments of high emotion that inevitably screw him over.
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over. Harry has the one emotion that Voldemort does not: love. He has the capacity to care for others and ''this'' is what prevents him from going to the Dark Side. Love verus evil is a major theme. In fact, Harry's [[spoiler: sacrifice in the final book]] is the climax. However, Harry is not irrational in the least. He's emotional, he's rational, he's ''human'', even if he's a bit angsty at some points, but that's not a stretch considering how many people die due to Voldemort. Harry vs. Voldemort is not emotions vs. stoicism, but love vs. evil. Besides, Voldemort is prone to fits of rage and only appears calm. He's more like a volcano about to erupt. With ''hate''.
** Also worth noting: aside
''hate''. Aside from Voldemort, the main driver of the plot is Albus Dumbledore, who rarely exhibits anything but logic (and who blames his few mistakes on getting too emotional). The other plot driver, of course, is Snape, whose one long-buried emotional attachment is solely responsible for his HeelFaceTurn. So ... the general theme seems to be that love is good, but only if it's not Dumbledore's?\n*** It's obsessive love that is explicitly described as dangerous -- examples include Dumbledore's, but also Merope Gaunt's.
16th Feb '18 10:19:40 AM Twiddler
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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', V's recent story arc exemplifies the dangers of both sides of this pretty well actually. She/he pulls away from the group and emotionality (what little he/she had to start) and dives head first into repression and stoicism after the battle of Azure City. Eventually this leads to some pretty distressing lack of empathy, isolation, and eventually splitting of on her/his own to pursue the power needed to save the world. But when his/her family is suddenly threatened because of V's own past actions, her/his emotions come storming back, overwhelming his/her rationality and leading to some very distressing situations, possible MoralEventHorizon, and flirtation with permanent alignment shifting (to EVIL).

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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', V's recent story arc in book 4 exemplifies the dangers of both sides of this pretty well actually.well. She/he pulls away from the group and emotionality (what little he/she had to start) and dives head first into repression and stoicism after the battle of Azure City. Eventually this leads to some pretty distressing lack of empathy, isolation, and eventually splitting of on her/his own to pursue the power needed to save the world. But when his/her family is suddenly threatened because of V's own past actions, her/his emotions come storming back, overwhelming his/her rationality and leading to some very distressing situations, possible MoralEventHorizon, and flirtation with permanent alignment shifting (to EVIL).


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* In ''Webcomic/{{Paranatural}}'', Lucifer and [[spoiler:Hijack]] argue over this. Lucifer favors cold reason, arguing that basing morality on feelings is a dangerous path to go down. [[spoiler:Hijack]] argues that being emotionally removed from the consequences of your actions is just as dangerous.
7th Jan '18 5:41:13 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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--->"There is no emotion; there is peace."
--->"There is no ignorance; there is knowledge."
--->"There is no passion; there is serenity."
--->"There is no death; there is the Force."

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--->"There --->There is no emotion; there is peace."
--->"There
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There
is no ignorance; there is knowledge."
--->"There
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is no passion; there is serenity."
--->"There
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is no death; there is the Force."



--->"Peace is a lie,"
--->"There is only [[HotBlooded passion.]]"
--->"Through passion I gain [[TheDeterminator strength]],"
--->"Through strength [[AmbitionIsEvil I gain power]]."
--->"Through power I gain victory,"
--->"Through victory my chains are broken."
--->"The Force [[TheUnfettered shall set me free.]]"

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--->"Peace --->Peace is a lie,"
--->"There
lie, there is only [[HotBlooded passion.]]"
--->"Through
passion]].\\
Through
passion I gain [[TheDeterminator strength]],"
--->"Through
strength]],\\
Through
strength [[AmbitionIsEvil I gain power]]."
--->"Through
power]],\\
Through
power I gain victory,"
--->"Through
victory,\\
Through
victory my chains are broken."
--->"The
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The
Force [[TheUnfettered shall set me free.]]"free]].



--->"Emotion, yet peace;"
--->"Ignorance, yet knowledge;"
--->"Passion, yet serenity;"
--->"Death, yet the Force."

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--->"Emotion, yet peace;"
--->"Ignorance,
peace;\\
Ignorance,
yet knowledge;"
--->"Passion,
knowledge;\\
Passion,
yet serenity;"
--->"Death,
serenity;\\
Death,
yet the Force."
16th Nov '17 8:20:13 AM Discar
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* ''Literature/TheCosmere'': The books use this in a VillainHasAPoint sort of way. The evil gods are gods of emotions, like Ruin and Odium, while the good gods are dryer ideals, like Preservation and Honor. Ruin and Odium often mock their counterparts for wanting to strip away all emotion and passion from the world, creating a place of dead automatons where no one feels anything. However, the real difference is that the good gods are willing to work beyond their portfolios, while the evil gods are not. Preservation likes stability and sameness, yes, but ultimately he wants humanity to survive and grow on their own--to contrast Ruin, who just wants to destroy everything.
21st Sep '17 2:27:41 AM Doug86
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* ''StarTrek'' [[Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse Novel Verse]]:

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12th Aug '17 10:20:43 AM nombretomado
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* A [[MovieBob certain analysis]] on most of Creator/ChristopherNolan films is that they seem to give subtle messages about how goals are hampered by emotions when stoicism could have fulfilled the goals without much conflict.

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* A [[MovieBob [[Creator/BobChipman certain analysis]] on most of Creator/ChristopherNolan films is that they seem to give subtle messages about how goals are hampered by emotions when stoicism could have fulfilled the goals without much conflict.
5th Jul '17 1:56:41 PM creader
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* In ''Manga/UndertakerRiddle'', The undertakers are stoic and cold towards almost everyone, since they have lived so much with a job that makes them deal with dead people and evil spirits; they consider emotions as a sin since they can make you take a reckless and foolish move. Hayato, [[spoiler:as Faust's succesor and future king]] must learn to balance this two things in his life to avoid becoming a [[LackOfEmpathy cold automaton]] or an overemotional fool.

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* In ''Manga/UndertakerRiddle'', The undertakers are stoic and cold towards almost everyone, since they have lived so much with a job that makes them deal with dead people and evil spirits; they consider emotions as a sin since they can make you take a reckless and foolish move. Hayato, [[spoiler:as Faust's succesor successor and future king]] must learn to balance this two things in his life to avoid becoming a [[LackOfEmpathy cold automaton]] or an overemotional fool.
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19th May '17 6:19:55 PM jormis29
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* In ''WarmBodies'', it is inverted where it is the protagonists' passion for life (whether zombie or human) is what gives them the power to change the world while the antagonists' stoicism dooms them.

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* In ''WarmBodies'', ''Literature/WarmBodies'', it is inverted where it is the protagonists' passion for life (whether zombie or human) is what gives them the power to change the world while the antagonists' stoicism dooms them.
14th Feb '17 7:11:06 AM CLT009
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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTensei'': This trope is yet another angle to the [[LawfulEvil Law]] Vs. [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]] conflict. ([[CaptainObvious No prizes for guessing which alignment takes which side of this conflict]].) Also a meta-aversion: the games are ''very'' critical of any ideology that favors either Emotions OR Stoicism to the exclusion of the other.
24th Jan '17 4:54:18 PM jamespolk
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* ''Film/GatesOfHeaven'': A theme of the first part of the film when Floyd [=McClure=] the tender-hearted pet cemetery operator is contrasted with the practical, no-nonsense manager of the animal rendering plant. The normally avuncular Floyd grows positively enraged when he talks about how the corpses of animals are mangled and processed into tallow and the like. The rendering manager says that he makes a useful product and renders a useful service, especially when you have a horse die on the weekend and it's 102 degrees outside.
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