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18th Jul '17 11:58:58 PM Kadorhal
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* ''Blog/JohnKStuff'': Creator/JohnKricfalusi reviews Creator/BobClampett's b&w cartoons with animator Milt Gray, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/06/milt-grey-on-clampetts-black-and-white.html focusing on Porky Pig]]. He claimed the titular character to ''WesternAnimation/PorkyPig'' was basically a [[FlatCharacter boring prop character]] in the hands of Creator/TexAvery and Creator/FrankTashlin, and that Bob best understood how to make the character truly likable and sympathetic.

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* ''Blog/JohnKStuff'': Creator/JohnKricfalusi reviews Creator/BobClampett's b&w black & white cartoons with animator Milt Gray, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/06/milt-grey-on-clampetts-black-and-white.html focusing on Porky Pig]]. He claimed the titular character to ''WesternAnimation/PorkyPig'' that WesternAnimation/{{Porky|Pig}} was basically a [[FlatCharacter boring prop character]] in the hands of Creator/TexAvery and Creator/FrankTashlin, and that Bob best understood how to make the character truly likable and sympathetic.
5th Jul '17 12:27:34 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* [[http://mightygodking.com/2011/08/31/so-flashpoint/ One reviewer about]] ''{{Comicbook/Flashpoint}}'': It's hard to care about the events of an alternate universe that wouldn't exist or matter anyway after a few months. It's harder still when the overwhelming majority of the characters are so hideously unlikeable that you get the impression the world would be better off destroyed. Add in the fact that the only character from "our" DCU is Barry Allen, widely regarded as a CreatorsPet, and you have a comic that winds up mostly being a lot of empty, unpleasant noise.
23rd Jun '17 8:48:32 AM Madrugada
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A phrase coined by Dorothy Jones Heydt in a science-fiction based Website/{{Usenet}} group in 1991 to describe an AudienceReaction to a work of fiction where the characters are either so universally bland and unengaging or so unlikable and unsympathetic that the reader simply loses interest in their fate and, by extension, the work as a whole. This can happen with or without the presence of [[BadWritingIndex more objective shortcomings]], but the most interesting examples tend to be those where this is a critic's main complaint, single-handedly dragging an otherwise well-made story down to where it's unenjoyable.

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A phrase coined by Dorothy Jones Heydt in a science-fiction based Website/{{Usenet}} group in 1991 to describe an AudienceReaction to a work of fiction where the characters are either so universally bland and unengaging or so unlikable and unsympathetic that the reader simply loses interest in their fate and, by extension, the work as a whole. This can happen with or without the presence of [[BadWritingIndex more objective shortcomings]], but the most interesting examples tend to be those where this is a critic's main complaint, single-handedly dragging an otherwise well-made story down to where it's unenjoyable.
unengaging.



Many {{Horror}}/monster/{{Disaster Movie}}s try to avoid this by DevelopingDoomedCharacters, only to make the audience hate the characters ''more'' for getting in the way of [[JustHereForGodzilla the slaughter they came there to see]].

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Many {{Horror}}/monster/{{Disaster Movie}}s try to avoid this by DevelopingDoomedCharacters, only to make the audience hate care ''less'' about the characters ''more'' for because they aren't getting in the way of [[JustHereForGodzilla the slaughter they came there to see]].
23rd Jun '17 8:10:40 AM Madrugada
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* Max-Vader, veteran of the the Project A.F.T.E.R. forum and sometimes co-host of the podcast ''The Other Side'' has this as one of his main reasons why he hates ''Webcomic/SugarBits'' by Creator/{{Bleedman}}.
-->''"I could forgive a bad story or clichéd writing if only the characters were likable and interesting. You see, in order to give a shit about the story, we need someone we can relate to ó a protagonist with human character traits. A good example would be [[Franchise/StarWars Luke Skywalker]]. In the beginning we get to know him, learn about his hopes and dreams, and start to care about him. I can't stress this enough: Be sloppy with your writing when it comes to your protagonist, and you can kiss the slightest hope for quality storytelling goodbye. Bleedman doesn't give a shit. [[{{Wangst}} Emotional baggage]], [[DarkAndTroubledPast "tragic" pasts]] or JerkAss behavior do not make a likable, deep or interesting character."''
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23rd Jun '17 8:04:13 AM Madrugada
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* [[http://www.hitfix.com/monkeys-as-critics/sons-of-anarchy-season-six-finale-recap-a-mothers-work At least one critic]] hit this with the season six finale of ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'', due to it being a standout example of IdiotPlot.

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* [[http://www.hitfix.com/monkeys-as-critics/sons-of-anarchy-season-six-finale-recap-a-mothers-work At least one critic]] Geoff Berkshire, writing for Uproxx]] hit this with the season six finale of ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'', due to it being a standout example of IdiotPlot.IdiotPlot.
--> At some point in the final season Jax will surely find out what Gemma did to Tara. And what Gemma did to John Teller. And what will Jax do?\\
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I donít care.\\
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Iím not interested in another season of overstuffed episodes full of characters who alternate between boring and stupid on the whim of the writers, punctuated by childish acts of violence inserted for shock value, convoluted gang wars, endless pontificating about what makes a good man, and musical montages.\\
5th Jun '17 3:23:42 AM Heckfire
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* ''WebVideo/CinemaSins''' 130th sin about ''Film/{{Lucy}}''.
-->''"This movie should be f*cking OVER. Lucy wins and becomes air. I don't f*cking care what happens, except that what's actually happening is ludicrous.''



* ''WebVideo/CinemaSins''' 130th sin about ''Film/{{Lucy}}''.
-->''"This movie should be f*cking OVER. Lucy wins and becomes air. I don't f*cking care what happens, except that what's actually happening is ludicrous.''
1st Jun '17 9:09:07 PM jormis29
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** George Romero's ''Film/DayOfTheDead1985'' received [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19850830/REVIEWS/508300302/1023 one and a half stars]] in part because much of the movie consists of "unpleasant, violent, insane" or ridiculously noble characters shouting at each other. And while he doesn't utter the eight words out right, he does say that in Romero's [[Film/NightOfTheLivingDead1968 previous]] [[Film/DawnOfTheDead1978 movies]] "we cared about the characters."

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** George Romero's Creator/GeorgeARomero's ''Film/DayOfTheDead1985'' received [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19850830/REVIEWS/508300302/1023 one and a half stars]] in part because much of the movie consists of "unpleasant, violent, insane" or ridiculously noble characters shouting at each other. And while he doesn't utter the eight words out right, he does say that in Romero's [[Film/NightOfTheLivingDead1968 previous]] [[Film/DawnOfTheDead1978 movies]] "we cared about the characters."
1st Jun '17 11:44:09 AM YasminPerry
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[[folder:Web Comics]]
* Max-Vader, veteran of the the Project A.F.T.E.R. forum and sometimes co-host of ''Podcast/TheOtherSide'' has this as one of his main reasons why he hates ''Webcomic/SugarBits'' by Creator/{{Bleedman}}.
-->''"I could forgive a bad story or clichéd writing if only the characters were likable and interesting. You see, in order to give a shit about the story, we need someone we can relate to ó a protagonist with human character traits. A good example would be [[Franchise/StarWars Luke Skywalker]]. In the beginning we get to know him, learn about his hopes and dreams, and start to care about him. I can't stress this enough: Be sloppy with your writing when it comes to your protagonist, and you can kiss the slightest hope for quality storytelling goodbye. Bleedman doesn't give a shit. [[{{Wangst}} Emotional baggage]], [[DarkAndTroubledPast "tragic" pasts]] or JerkAss behavior do not make a likable, deep or interesting character."''
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14th May '17 9:44:48 PM paycheckgurl
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** Other times though, they'll say the eight deadly words almost verbatim. Such as in ''[[Recap/MysteryScienceTheater3000S11E02CryWilderness Cry Wilderness]]''
--> '''Jonah:''' Now there's a cougar, and I have stopped caring what happens to Paul, completely.
14th May '17 9:42:18 PM paycheckgurl
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** The eight deadly words get said verbatim by Jonah in ''[[Recap/MysteryScienceTheater3000S11E02CryWilderness Cry Wilderness]]''

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** The Other times though, they'll say the eight deadly words get said verbatim by Jonah almost verbatim. Such as in ''[[Recap/MysteryScienceTheater3000S11E02CryWilderness Cry Wilderness]]''
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