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16th Oct '17 4:09:21 PM TSBasilisk
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* Ross Scott had this problem in his AprilFoolsDay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4LaR1C6Xds review]] video of ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein2009'' in ''WebVideo/RosssGameDungeon'', saying that that nobody is really ''reacting'' to or treating any sense of urgency to the horrors around them, which fails to invest him in the characters, which in turn fails to invest him in the game itself. It was bad enough that he couldn't bring himself to finish the game, a first for the series.

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* Ross Scott had this problem in his AprilFoolsDay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4LaR1C6Xds review]] video of ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein2009'' in ''WebVideo/RosssGameDungeon'', saying that that nobody is ''WebVideo/RosssGameDungeon''. Nobody seems to really ''reacting'' ''react'' to or treating have any sense of urgency to regarding the horrors around them, which fails to invest him in the characters, which in turn fails to invest him in the game itself. That on top of the characters being badly voiced and unmemorable. It was bad enough that he couldn't bring himself to finish the game, a first for the series.series.
** This sentiment came back full force in his look at Episode 1 of ''VideoGame/LifeIsStrange''. The soap opera feel of the story, annoying and/or pretentious characters, and the bland protagonist killed his interest. He didn't even complete Episode 1 before calling it quits on the game.
12th Sep '17 1:20:44 PM TargetmasterJoe
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The DVD Verdict critic who reviewed the MarsNeedsMoms Blu-Ray gave this as a reason why he felt the movie was classified as movies with a classification of "Bad", saying it's "Emotionally Uninvolving". The description was "Despite all the high-stakes life-or-death situations described here, the story never feels substantial enough to really make us care if anyone lives or dies. The movie certainly plays with rougher-than-usual emotional territory (the death of one little boy's mother may be upsetting for some kids) but none of it manages to stick." It didn't help that none of the characters were likable when they weren't threatening to cross the dreaded UncannyValley.

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* The DVD Verdict critic who reviewed the MarsNeedsMoms Blu-Ray gave this as a reason why he felt the movie was classified as movies with a classification of "Bad", saying it's "Emotionally Uninvolving". The description was "Despite all the high-stakes life-or-death situations described here, the story never feels substantial enough to really make us care if anyone lives or dies. The movie certainly plays with rougher-than-usual emotional territory (the death of one little boy's mother may be upsetting for some kids) but none of it manages to stick." It didn't help that none of the characters were likable when they weren't threatening to cross the dreaded UncannyValley.



---> Yes, a lot of epics have big talks and complicated storylines, but the story of King Arthur works because we see our flaws and strengths in the character. Star Wars works because we like these people and want to see them get through alive. Thus, weíre with them when theyíre thrown in these complex and dangerous worlds. Here, you donít care about anybody, so you donít care about the backstories or the made-up worlds. It attempts instead to sound big instead of feel big. It tries too hard in lesser areas and not hard enough in the ones that really matter. If there is one thing thatís epic in this film, itís what an epic disaster it gave us in the end. It really is the Valhalla of botched epic stories.

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---> Yes, a lot of epics have big talks and complicated storylines, but the story of King Arthur works because we see our flaws and strengths in the character. Star Wars ''Star Wars'' works because we like these people and want to see them get through alive. Thus, weíre with them when theyíre thrown in these complex and dangerous worlds. Here, you donít care about anybody, so you donít care about the backstories or the made-up worlds. It attempts instead to sound big instead of feel big. It tries too hard in lesser areas and not hard enough in the ones that really matter. If there is one thing thatís epic in this film, itís what an epic disaster it gave us in the end. It really is the Valhalla of botched epic stories.
29th Aug '17 11:07:14 AM Klaudandus
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29th Aug '17 12:50:55 AM marcoasalazarm
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* On the ''Series/{{Community}}'' episode "[[Recap/CommunityS3E05HorrorFictionInSevenSpookySteps Horror Fiction In Seven Spooky Steps]]", this is Abed's reaction to Britta's EpicFail of an attempt at creating a horror story, saying that he doesn't finds the characters interesting at all because they are dumb. This is shot back at him afterwards when his story consist of a [[RationalFic hyper-rationalist attempt at]] [[DefiedTrope defying]] all of the regular slasher victim tropes and absolutely nothing else, completely killing the suspense.
--->'''Annie''': Ugh! Do these people ever ''die'' or what?!
27th Aug '17 9:35:40 PM Trey
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The DVD Verdict critic who reviewed the MarsNeedsMoms Blu-Ray gave this as a reason why he felt the movie was classified as movies with a classification of "Bad", saying it's "Emotionally Uninvolving". The description was "Despite all the high-stakes life-or-death situations described here, the story never feels substantial enough to really make us care if anyone lives or dies. The movie certainly plays with rougher-than-usual emotional territory (the death of one little boy's mother may be upsetting for some kids) but none of it manages to stick." It didn't help that none of the characters were likable when they weren't threatening to cross the dreaded UncannyValley.
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18th Jul '17 11:58:58 PM Kadorhal
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* ''Blog/JohnKStuff'': Creator/JohnKricfalusi reviews Creator/BobClampett's b&w cartoons with animator Milt Gray, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/06/milt-grey-on-clampetts-black-and-white.html focusing on Porky Pig]]. He claimed the titular character to ''WesternAnimation/PorkyPig'' was basically a [[FlatCharacter boring prop character]] in the hands of Creator/TexAvery and Creator/FrankTashlin, and that Bob best understood how to make the character truly likable and sympathetic.

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* ''Blog/JohnKStuff'': Creator/JohnKricfalusi reviews Creator/BobClampett's b&w black & white cartoons with animator Milt Gray, [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/06/milt-grey-on-clampetts-black-and-white.html focusing on Porky Pig]]. He claimed the titular character to ''WesternAnimation/PorkyPig'' that WesternAnimation/{{Porky|Pig}} was basically a [[FlatCharacter boring prop character]] in the hands of Creator/TexAvery and Creator/FrankTashlin, and that Bob best understood how to make the character truly likable and sympathetic.
5th Jul '17 12:27:34 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* [[http://mightygodking.com/2011/08/31/so-flashpoint/ One reviewer about]] ''{{Comicbook/Flashpoint}}'': It's hard to care about the events of an alternate universe that wouldn't exist or matter anyway after a few months. It's harder still when the overwhelming majority of the characters are so hideously unlikeable that you get the impression the world would be better off destroyed. Add in the fact that the only character from "our" DCU is Barry Allen, widely regarded as a CreatorsPet, and you have a comic that winds up mostly being a lot of empty, unpleasant noise.
23rd Jun '17 8:48:32 AM Madrugada
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A phrase coined by Dorothy Jones Heydt in a science-fiction based Website/{{Usenet}} group in 1991 to describe an AudienceReaction to a work of fiction where the characters are either so universally bland and unengaging or so unlikable and unsympathetic that the reader simply loses interest in their fate and, by extension, the work as a whole. This can happen with or without the presence of [[BadWritingIndex more objective shortcomings]], but the most interesting examples tend to be those where this is a critic's main complaint, single-handedly dragging an otherwise well-made story down to where it's unenjoyable.

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A phrase coined by Dorothy Jones Heydt in a science-fiction based Website/{{Usenet}} group in 1991 to describe an AudienceReaction to a work of fiction where the characters are either so universally bland and unengaging or so unlikable and unsympathetic that the reader simply loses interest in their fate and, by extension, the work as a whole. This can happen with or without the presence of [[BadWritingIndex more objective shortcomings]], but the most interesting examples tend to be those where this is a critic's main complaint, single-handedly dragging an otherwise well-made story down to where it's unenjoyable.
unengaging.



Many {{Horror}}/monster/{{Disaster Movie}}s try to avoid this by DevelopingDoomedCharacters, only to make the audience hate the characters ''more'' for getting in the way of [[JustHereForGodzilla the slaughter they came there to see]].

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Many {{Horror}}/monster/{{Disaster Movie}}s try to avoid this by DevelopingDoomedCharacters, only to make the audience hate care ''less'' about the characters ''more'' for because they aren't getting in the way of [[JustHereForGodzilla the slaughter they came there to see]].
23rd Jun '17 8:10:40 AM Madrugada
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* Max-Vader, veteran of the the Project A.F.T.E.R. forum and sometimes co-host of the podcast ''The Other Side'' has this as one of his main reasons why he hates ''Webcomic/SugarBits'' by Creator/{{Bleedman}}.
-->''"I could forgive a bad story or clichéd writing if only the characters were likable and interesting. You see, in order to give a shit about the story, we need someone we can relate to ó a protagonist with human character traits. A good example would be [[Franchise/StarWars Luke Skywalker]]. In the beginning we get to know him, learn about his hopes and dreams, and start to care about him. I can't stress this enough: Be sloppy with your writing when it comes to your protagonist, and you can kiss the slightest hope for quality storytelling goodbye. Bleedman doesn't give a shit. [[{{Wangst}} Emotional baggage]], [[DarkAndTroubledPast "tragic" pasts]] or JerkAss behavior do not make a likable, deep or interesting character."''
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23rd Jun '17 8:04:13 AM Madrugada
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* [[http://www.hitfix.com/monkeys-as-critics/sons-of-anarchy-season-six-finale-recap-a-mothers-work At least one critic]] hit this with the season six finale of ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'', due to it being a standout example of IdiotPlot.

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* [[http://www.hitfix.com/monkeys-as-critics/sons-of-anarchy-season-six-finale-recap-a-mothers-work At least one critic]] Geoff Berkshire, writing for Uproxx]] hit this with the season six finale of ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'', due to it being a standout example of IdiotPlot.IdiotPlot.
--> At some point in the final season Jax will surely find out what Gemma did to Tara. And what Gemma did to John Teller. And what will Jax do?\\
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I donít care.\\
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Iím not interested in another season of overstuffed episodes full of characters who alternate between boring and stupid on the whim of the writers, punctuated by childish acts of violence inserted for shock value, convoluted gang wars, endless pontificating about what makes a good man, and musical montages.\\
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