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20th Mar '17 11:22:48 AM Nohbody
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* It is generally believed that Ludwig van Beethoven's father beat his son to make him practice. However, this is disputed by some historians. Neighbors who had a clear view through a window all said they could remember him quite frequently "standing in front of the clavier [piano] weeping." People who knew the family testified to his dad's harshness and unfairness, but also to his loving kindness and attempts to be a good father. However, the rock-bottom truth is that he was grooming Ludwig as a marketable commodity.
* A extreme and tragic case of TruthInTelevision: [[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4967340.stm Esmie Tseng]]'s parents pushed her to her limits - where she was threatened with grounding if she got below 96% on her exams - to the point where she [[TheDogBitesBack lashed out]] and [[SelfMadeOrphan fatally stabbed her mother]].
* Chinese-American Christina H [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19026_5-reasons-parenting-one-place-we-shouldnt-imitate-china.html weighs in]]. The article was sort of in response to ''Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother'', but based on the assumption that people were taking it dead serious.[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-lessons-from-1970s-female-programmer/ Here]], she discusses how her mom tried to educate her on computers and push her into being a computer programmer against her wishes. Christina didn't become a computer programmer. But she understands why her mom wanted her to[[note]](considering her mom worked very hard at getting her job as a computer programmer)[[/note]] and respects her for it.
* The "hardass immigrant parent" stereotype is inverted by British comedian Shappi Khorsandi, who says that she wanted to be a doctor, but her Iranian parents pushed her into show business.
* A "good" example would be China's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius Mencius]]. Legend says his mother moved 3 times (In an age before U-Haul) to make sure had a good educational environment. Worked out pretty well.
* The father of British philosopher John Stuart Mill firmly believed in bringing up his son through rigorous education. Mill was taught Greek starting from age three, and Latin from eight. His father prevented him from interacting with other children of his age and playing around so as to not "waste" his time. Suffice to say that Mill was not in good mental health as a result of all this, leading to a complete mental breakdown at the age of twenty. He still managed to sort himself out in adulthood and become one of the fathers of the philosophy of Utilitarianism.
* [[http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/05/koran-beaten-murder-ege-sara_n_2245077.html Sara Ege]], who beat her son to death for failing to memorize the Quran.
* The parents of Burmese-American lesbian Emily Tay, the subject of the documentary ''[[http://www.hyphenmagazine.com/blog/archive/2011/07/documentary-review-no-look-pass-love-and-basketball No Look Pass]]''. They want her to go to Harvard yet they want her to have an ArrangedMarriage (to a [[MalignedMixedMarriage Burmese]] [[IncompatibleOrientation man]]) and become a housewife. Their attitude extends to sports as well. While Emily's teammates chanted "MVP! MVP!" for her, her parents merely said she played "pretty well".
* [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/25/kirill-bartashevitch-points-gun-at-daughter-grades_n_2552801.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news&ir=Weird+News This]] dad pointed an AK-47 at his daughter over a B.
* [[http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/08/chinese-father-hires-hitman-video-game-addiction_n_2430306.html This]] Chinese father [[WhatAnIdiot hired "hitmen" to kill his son's characters in an MMORPG because he blamed the game for his son's poor grades and inability to find a job.]]
* K-pop rookies BTS debuted with a concept that involves rising up against overbearing parents forcing their own dreams of a higher education upon children who may not want that life.
* Extreme cases of YouHaveFailedMe for bad grades are not unheard of. [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/dad-beats-son-to-death_n_4078216.html: A father in the United Arab Emirates]] [[OffingTheOffspring actually beat his son to death]] for [[DisproportionateRetribution getting bad grades in school]].
** Another incident of this occured in Las Vegas where parents ended up [[http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/dec/03/mother-stepfather-arrested-beating-death-7-year-ol/ killing their 7-year-old for not doing his homework]].
* Contrary to popular belief, TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons didn't cause the disappearance of [[Film/MazesAndMonsters James Dallas Egbert III]], but rather academic pressure from his parents was one of many causes of his depression, causing the suicide attempt.
* Another tragic example comes from Jennifer Pan, a Canadian-born Vietnamese girl who ordered a pair of hitmen to kill her parents. She cited the intense school schedule and unrealistic expectations they placed on her as well as her utter fear of punishment for failures, which led to her spinning a very long and complex web of lies to keep them from knowing that she failed a class as the reason.
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17th Mar '17 3:51:50 PM Madrugada
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* The documentary film ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_Nowhere Race To Nowhere]]'' fittingly enough, directed by a former education mama [[HeelRealization who after seeing her daughter get physically ill from stress and high standards]] [[TheAtoner made the movie as a refreshingly frank condemnation of this trope's transformation into a cultural phenomenon]], taking its entire duration to deconstruct the entire concept, manages to lay bare its oft-overlooked detrimental consequences that burden the children raised this way, haunting them for the rest of their lives.



* Amy Chua's ''Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother'' is a tongue-in cheek how-to guide for Education Mamas. The book chronicles her attempt to raise her children in the standard Chinese overachiever tradition (but in America!), and the inevitable culture clash that ensues.
-->''When Western parents think they're being strict, they usually don't come close to being Chinese mothers. For example, my Western friends who consider themselves strict make their children practice their instruments thirty minutes every day. An hour at most. For a Chinese mother, the first hour is the easy part. It's hours two and three that get tough.''
* In rebuttal to ''Battle Hymn of The Tiger Mother'', Quentin Hardy wrote "The Song Of The Manatee Father," extolling the virtues of taking it easy.



* The documentary film ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_Nowhere Race To Nowhere]]'' fittingly enough, directed by a former education mama [[HeelRealization who after seeing her daughter get physically ill from stress and high standards]] [[TheAtoner made the movie as a refreshingly frank condemnation of this trope's transformation into a cultural phenomenon]], taking its entire duration to deconstruct the entire concept, manages to lay bare its oft-overlooked detrimental consequences that burden the children raised this way, haunting them for the rest of their lives.
* One of the kids profiled in ''The Overachievers: The Secret Lives of Driven Kids'' had one Education Parent ''from hell'', leading his younger brother to later call social services.
* Amy Chua's ''Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother'' is a [[DeadpanSnarker tongue-in cheek]] how-to guide for Education Mamas. The book chronicles her attempt to raise her children in the standard Chinese overachiever tradition (but '''in America!'''), and the inevitable culture clash than ensues:
-->''When Western parents think they're being strict, they usually don't come close to being Chinese mothers. For example, my Western friends who consider themselves strict make their children practice their instruments thirty minutes every day. An hour at most. For a Chinese mother, the first hour is the easy part. It's hours two and three that get tough.''
** When this first came out, [[PoesLaw most U.S. reviewers assumed everything Chua said was dead serious.]] As a result, Chua was the target of several racism-based online attacks.
** In rebuttal, Quentin Hardy wrote "The Song Of The Manatee Father," extolling the virtues of taking it easy.
* It is generally believed that Ludwig van Beethoven's father beat his son to make him practice. However, this is disputed by some historians.
** Neighbors who had a clear view through a window all said they could remember him quite frequently "standing in front of the clavier [piano] weeping." People who knew the family testified to his dad's harshness and unfairness, but also to his loving kindness and attempts to be a good father. However, the rock-bottom truth is that he was grooming Ludwig as a marketable commodity.

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* The documentary film ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_Nowhere Race To Nowhere]]'' fittingly enough, directed by a former education mama [[HeelRealization who after seeing her daughter get physically ill from stress and high standards]] [[TheAtoner made the movie as a refreshingly frank condemnation of this trope's transformation into a cultural phenomenon]], taking its entire duration to deconstruct the entire concept, manages to lay bare its oft-overlooked detrimental consequences that burden the children raised this way, haunting them for the rest of their lives.
* One of the kids profiled in ''The Overachievers: The Secret Lives of Driven Kids'' had one Education Parent ''from hell'', leading his younger brother to later call social services.
* Amy Chua's ''Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother'' is a [[DeadpanSnarker tongue-in cheek]] how-to guide for Education Mamas. The book chronicles her attempt to raise her children in the standard Chinese overachiever tradition (but '''in America!'''), and the inevitable culture clash than ensues:
-->''When Western parents think they're being strict, they usually don't come close to being Chinese mothers. For example, my Western friends who consider themselves strict make their children practice their instruments thirty minutes every day. An hour at most. For a Chinese mother, the first hour is the easy part. It's hours two and three that get tough.''
** When this first came out, [[PoesLaw most U.S. reviewers assumed everything Chua said was dead serious.]] As a result, Chua was the target of several racism-based online attacks.
** In rebuttal, Quentin Hardy wrote "The Song Of The Manatee Father," extolling the virtues of taking it easy.
* It is generally believed that Ludwig van Beethoven's father beat his son to make him practice. However, this is disputed by some historians.
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historians. Neighbors who had a clear view through a window all said they could remember him quite frequently "standing in front of the clavier [piano] weeping." People who knew the family testified to his dad's harshness and unfairness, but also to his loving kindness and attempts to be a good father. However, the rock-bottom truth is that he was grooming Ludwig as a marketable commodity.



* Chinese-American Christina H [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19026_5-reasons-parenting-one-place-we-shouldnt-imitate-china.html weighs in]]. The article was sort of in response to ''Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother'', but based on the assumption that people were taking it dead serious.
** [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-lessons-from-1970s-female-programmer/ Here]], she discusses how her mom tried to educate her on computers and push her into being a computer programmer against her wishes. Christina didn't become a computer programmer. But she understands why her mom wanted her to[[note]](considering her mom worked very hard at getting her job as a computer programmer)[[/note]] and respects her for it.

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* Chinese-American Christina H [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19026_5-reasons-parenting-one-place-we-shouldnt-imitate-china.html weighs in]]. The article was sort of in response to ''Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother'', but based on the assumption that people were taking it dead serious.
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serious.[[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-lessons-from-1970s-female-programmer/ Here]], she discusses how her mom tried to educate her on computers and push her into being a computer programmer against her wishes. Christina didn't become a computer programmer. But she understands why her mom wanted her to[[note]](considering her mom worked very hard at getting her job as a computer programmer)[[/note]] and respects her for it.
17th Mar '17 3:35:35 PM AnotherDuck
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* Parents of mentally gifted children often fall into this role, encouraging their kids to work to the best of their abilities. This can lead to ''major'' anxiety problems, with the children believing that they have to be completely perfect at all times or their have failed their family/wasted their potential.



* It's a rising trend in India for kids to be pressured by parents and colleges into getting way into the 90%+ on important exams. There are a bunch of colleges that actually have cut-off lists at 90%. And sadly enough it's gotten worse despite the rising cases of teen suicides all around exam or results time.
* The "first-generation" college student has become something of a subtrope of this one. Normally, the student will mention that they're the first member of their family who has had the opportunity to get a college education, and it's revealed that the parents are like this, often because they are encourage the child to appreciate an opportunity that they themselves were denied during their youth. For a lot of people, this is TruthInTelevision, and it can be frustrating when a professional career counselor tells incoming college freshman to start looking at internships and part-time jobs to build up work experience while the parents protest, "No, you're going to focus on your studies, you'll have plenty of time to work the rest of your life."
* The "Boomerang Generation," children of the Baby Boomers, get this trope. For their parents, a college degree was, like the Imperial Exam, a guaranteed ticket to a good career, and the Boomerangers were encouraged to focus solely on their studies because, they were promised, they wouldn't need anything else. In the meanwhile, the Great Recession happened, and those children found themselves competing for jobs against people with twice their age and infinitely more experience--since they hadn't bothered with internships or part-time jobs. So they couldn't get work and they had to return back to their parents, thus naming the generation.



* The rise of {{hikikomori}} in {{UsefulNotes/Japan}} is attributed to this trope - there's so much pressure to succeed that ''one'' major failure causes a person to withdraw from society.
* Contrary to popular belief, TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons didn't cause the disappearance of [[Film/MazesAndMonsters James Dallas Egbert III]] ,but rather academic pressure from his parents was one of many causes of his depression, causing the suicide attempt.

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* The rise of {{hikikomori}} in {{UsefulNotes/Japan}} is attributed to this trope - there's so much pressure to succeed that ''one'' major failure causes a person to withdraw from society.
* Contrary to popular belief, TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons didn't cause the disappearance of [[Film/MazesAndMonsters James Dallas Egbert III]] ,but III]], but rather academic pressure from his parents was one of many causes of his depression, causing the suicide attempt.
17th Mar '17 6:54:43 AM MitchellProductions
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* [[http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/08/chinese-father-hires-hitman-video-game-addiction_n_2430306.html This]] Chinese father hired "hitmen" to kill his son's characters in an MMORPG because he blamed the game for his son's poor grades and inability to find a job.

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* [[http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/08/chinese-father-hires-hitman-video-game-addiction_n_2430306.html This]] Chinese father [[WhatAnIdiot hired "hitmen" to kill his son's characters in an MMORPG because he blamed the game for his son's poor grades and inability to find a job.]]
15th Mar '17 4:21:03 PM talltalltree
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* A mild example in the ''Series/InsideNo9'' episode "Diddle Diddle Dumpling": Louise coaches her seven year old daughter to do well academically, encourages her to mix with wealthy classmates, and asks her husband to help her assess the competition at school.
* Parodied (and taken to extremes) in a ''Series/{{Jam}}'' sketch where a couple ply other people's children with drugs and pornography so they can sabotage their daughter's rivals for a place at a good school.
7th Mar '17 3:15:48 PM infernape612
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* ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'': Kahn. His wife Mihn is like this to a lesser extent, but Kahn is always pushing his daughter to study, learn, and practice the violin. Worse still, it isn't even for her benefit. Kahn sees an intelligent, successful daughter as a requirement for the "perfect life" he's been seeking, so he can rub it in the faces of everyone he knew growing up. Also, his [[FreudianExcuse father-in-law was famous general who seems to view him with contempt]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'': Kahn. His wife Mihn is like this to a lesser extent, but Kahn is always pushing his daughter to study, learn, and practice the violin. Worse still, it isn't even for her benefit. Kahn sees an intelligent, successful daughter as a requirement for the "perfect life" he's been seeking, so he can rub it in the faces of everyone he knew growing up. Also, his [[FreudianExcuse father-in-law was a famous general who seems to view him with contempt]].
3rd Mar '17 6:49:11 AM tropower
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The diametric opposite of the OpenMindedParent is the Education Mama, a mother (and [[AlwaysFemale it's usually a mother]]) who is obsessed with her children's education and pushes them to succeed academically, no matter the cost. She will shell out thousands of dollars to send her kids to private school or move to another town with good schools, and her kids will be forced to surrender their social lives in the pursuit of good grades (CramSchool may be involved). And [[BerserkButton God help her kids if any of them]] [[TheBGrade gets anything less than an A]].

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The diametric opposite of the OpenMindedParent is the Education Mama, a mother (and [[AlwaysFemale it's usually usually, but not always a mother]]) mother) who is obsessed with her children's education and pushes them to succeed academically, no matter the cost. She will shell out thousands of dollars to send her kids to private school or move to another town with good schools, and her kids will be forced to surrender their social lives in the pursuit of good grades (CramSchool may be involved). And [[BerserkButton God help her kids if any of them]] [[TheBGrade gets anything less than an A]].



This trope is especially pervasive in East Asian families, due to the existence of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination Imperial examination]], a standardized test you could take in China that was absolutely necessary for a position as an ObstructiveBureaucrat, one of the cushiest and most well-paying jobs then available. (The topic of the test was the writings of and about the great philosopher Creator/{{Confucius}}, meaning that anyone who could read had a shot at a government job.) Many of the other nations in China's cultural shadow adopted this system, giving rise to the stereotype that all Asian parents are like this. Such parents have been given the name "Tiger Moms" (Traditional: 虎媽, Simplified: 虎妈, Pinyin: hǔmā) in Chinese, and specifically ''kyoiku mama'' (教育ママ) in Japanese. However, this parental figure is universally reviled by the current generation, leading to this becoming a DiscreditedTrope.

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This While it is a problem in many countries around the world, this trope is especially pervasive in East Asian families, due to the existence of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination Imperial examination]], a standardized test you could take in China that was absolutely necessary for a position as an ObstructiveBureaucrat, one of the cushiest and most well-paying jobs then available. (The topic of the test was the writings of and about the great philosopher Creator/{{Confucius}}, meaning that anyone who could read had a shot at a government job.) Many of the other nations in China's cultural shadow adopted this system, giving rise to the stereotype that all Asian parents are like this. Such parents have been given the name "Tiger Moms" (Traditional: 虎媽, Simplified: 虎妈, Pinyin: hǔmā) in Chinese, and specifically ''kyoiku mama'' (教育ママ) in Japanese. However, this parental figure is universally reviled by the current generation, leading to this becoming a DiscreditedTrope.




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* One of Yuko Saitou's Creator/{{Sega}} SG-1000 commercials plays this trope for laughs with her mother (played by Yuko herself) asking why she's playing all of those games when she should be studying.
2nd Feb '17 11:14:45 PM ironballs16
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-->'''Asian Father''': You got beads at Mardi-Gras? Why not... [[StealthPun nevermind. Beads are fine]].
28th Jan '17 11:18:20 AM Sakubara
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* Mrs. Yamada in ''ToraniNoYamadaKun'' is a classic example.

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* Mrs. Yamada in ''ToraniNoYamadaKun'' ''Anime/MyNeighborsTheYamadas'' is a classic example.
16th Jan '17 1:00:37 PM ErebusElysium
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* Claire's parents from ''WesternAnimation/{{Trollhunters}}'' might be this, though the only indicator is their suggesting that she drop out of the school play after getting a "B" on a class assignment.
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