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8th Feb '16 8:05:03 AM JamesAustin
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Feige said that it would be explained with science.
** Perhaps the most explicit example is in the Thor movies. In the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'', the source of Asgardians' abilities is left mostly to the imagination. The Asgardians themselves refer to them in terms usually associated with magic and claim to fail to see the difference between magic and science when asked by the human protagonist. By ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Asgardian equipment is more obviously technological (e.g. the rather pedestrian shield generator for the main palace), Odin states outright Asgardians are regular mortals (with Loki putting their lifespan at some 5,000 years, thus making it possible for the Asgardian characters to be present on Earth in the Dark Ages), Thor pilots an obviously technological Dark Elf ship with familiar ease, etc. *** Perhaps the most direct example is when Jane Foster asks an Asgardian physician whether the device they're using to scan her (for the presence of the Aether, a parasitic MacGuffin), which the Asgardians call a "soul forge", is a "quantum field generator" (itself technobabble, but of the "plausible" kind). The Asgardian fails to answer, but does confirm that the device "transfers molecular energy from one place to another", which apparently, according to Foster, is what a quantum field generator does. This is as close as the MCU comes to saying that all Asgardian abilities are either natural (such as their lifespan and their mooks' physical strength), or technological.
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** Perhaps the most explicit example is in the Thor movies. In the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'', the source of Asgardians' abilities is left mostly to the imagination. The Asgardians themselves refer to them in terms usually associated with magic and claim to fail to see the difference between magic and science when asked by the human protagonist. By ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Asgardian equipment is more obviously technological (e.g. the rather pedestrian shield generator for the main palace), Odin states outright Asgardians are regular mortals (with Loki putting their lifespan at some 5,000 years, thus making it possible for the Asgardian characters to be present on Earth in the Dark Ages), Thor pilots an obviously technological Dark Elf ship with familiar ease, etc. *** etc. Perhaps the most direct example is when Jane Foster asks an Asgardian physician whether the device they're using to scan her (for the presence of the Aether, a parasitic MacGuffin), which the Asgardians call a "soul forge", is a "quantum field generator" (itself technobabble, but of the "plausible" kind). The Asgardian fails to answer, but does confirm that the device "transfers molecular energy from one place to another", which apparently, according to Foster, is what a quantum field generator does. This is as close as the MCU comes to saying that all Asgardian abilities are either natural (such as their lifespan and their mooks' physical strength), or technological.

** There is, however, a ''Film/{{Doctor Strange|2016}}'' movie announced, and producer Kevin Feige has stated that Strange's "magical" powers will not be due to genetic mutation, use of conventional technology, etc., leaving the possibility open that a major character with less-than-scientific powers will yet grace this fictional universe.
7th Feb '16 9:04:12 PM grapesandmilk
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* Some cryptozoologists have been known to come up with more natural explanations for the creatures they're seeking. The Thunderbird, for example, is often thought of as simply a large, undiscovered bird of prey, rather than a titanic, lightning-shooting weather spirit.
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* Some cryptozoologists have been known to come up with more natural explanations for the creatures they're seeking. The Thunderbird, for example, is often thought of as simply a large, undiscovered bird of prey, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teratornithidae or an extinct one]], rather than a titanic, lightning-shooting weather spirit.
22nd Jan '16 12:45:52 AM Milarqui
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* In a ''Series/HoneyIShrunkTheKids'' chapter, a "leprechaun" appears and starts doing several tricks, which Wayne easily explains off as things easily done with some chemicals and sleight of hand, much to Nick's regret (because he really believed it was a leprechaun). [[spoiler:Then a bunch of leprechauns appear for real. And these cannot be explained.]]
9th Jan '16 11:35:47 PM rwe1138
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* General comic book example: when DC jump-started UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} by reinventing a number of their once-popular characters, they tended to replace mystical origin stories with scientific ones. For instance, the new Franchise/GreenLantern got his powers from being a {{space police}}man with an advanced technological weapon, rather than finding a magical lantern. This is probably largely because of the influence of Editor in Chief Julius Schwartz, who was also major editor in the field of prose science fiction.
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* General comic book example: when DC jump-started UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} by reinventing a number of their once-popular characters, they tended to replace mystical origin stories with scientific ones. For instance, the new Franchise/GreenLantern got his powers from being a {{space police}}man with an advanced technological weapon, rather than finding a magical lantern. This is probably largely because of the influence of Editor in Chief Julius Schwartz, who was also a major editor in the field of prose science fiction.
2nd Jan '16 7:27:24 PM Doug86
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* A weirdly inverted version in ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'': While the witches and their magic ''seem'' to be blatantly real, if Battler can explain all the deaths away as the work of normal humans, he'll Do In The Wizard and {{Retcon}} them away. [[spoiler:While it's never outright stated whether everything is magic or mundane, it's still eventually made clear that from a mundane perspective, the "magical" characters aren't real at all; they're either meant to be symbolic or the product of a human character's imagination.]] There's also [[spoiler:[[AllInTheManual "Our Confession"]], a side material that shows how Yasu used trickery and bribery to commit the murders.]]
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* A weirdly inverted version in ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'': While the witches and their magic ''seem'' to be blatantly real, if Battler can explain all the deaths away as the work of normal humans, he'll Do In The Wizard and {{Retcon}} them away. [[spoiler:While it's never outright stated whether everything is magic or mundane, it's still eventually made clear that from a mundane perspective, the "magical" characters aren't real at all; they're either meant to be symbolic or the product of a human character's imagination.]] There's also [[spoiler:[[AllInTheManual [[spoiler:[[AllThereInTheManual "Our Confession"]], a side material that shows how Yasu used trickery and bribery to commit the murders.]]
31st Dec '15 5:46:51 PM Anddrix
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** Perhaps the most explicit example is in the Thor movies. In the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'', the source of Asgardians' abilities is left mostly to the imagination. The Asgardians themselves refer to them in terms usually associated with magic and claim to fail to see the difference between magic and science when asked by the human protagonist. By ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Asgardian equipment is more obviously technological (e.g. the rather pedestrian shield generator for the main palace), Odin states outright Asgardians are regular mortals (with SelfDemonstrating/{{Loki}} putting their lifespan at some 5,000 years, thus making it possible for the Asgardian characters to be present on Earth in the Dark Ages), Thor pilots an obviously technological Dark Elf ship with familiar ease, etc.
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** Perhaps the most explicit example is in the Thor movies. In the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'', the source of Asgardians' abilities is left mostly to the imagination. The Asgardians themselves refer to them in terms usually associated with magic and claim to fail to see the difference between magic and science when asked by the human protagonist. By ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Asgardian equipment is more obviously technological (e.g. the rather pedestrian shield generator for the main palace), Odin states outright Asgardians are regular mortals (with SelfDemonstrating/{{Loki}} Loki putting their lifespan at some 5,000 years, thus making it possible for the Asgardian characters to be present on Earth in the Dark Ages), Thor pilots an obviously technological Dark Elf ship with familiar ease, etc.
31st Dec '15 5:46:16 PM Anddrix
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** Valkyrie from ''TheUltimates'' started off this way (she was just a Thor {{Fangirl}} rather than an actual Norse deity), but ended up being given magical powers by SelfDemonstrating/{{Loki}}.
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** Valkyrie from ''TheUltimates'' started off this way (she was just a Thor {{Fangirl}} rather than an actual Norse deity), but ended up being given magical powers by SelfDemonstrating/{{Loki}}.Loki.
29th Dec '15 7:38:03 AM Anddrix
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* The Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox ''Film/FantasticFour'' movies did away with SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom's sorcery abilities and PoweredArmor in favor of just making him a deformed [[CorruptCorporateExecutive businessman]] with [[ShockAndAwe electrical abilities]]. There's a reason Doom's "[[InNameOnly portrayal]]" in the films is so widely hated by the fans.
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* The Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox ''Film/FantasticFour'' movies did away with SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom's Doctor Doom's sorcery abilities and PoweredArmor in favor of just making him a deformed [[CorruptCorporateExecutive businessman]] with [[ShockAndAwe electrical abilities]]. There's a reason Doom's "[[InNameOnly portrayal]]" in the films is so widely hated by the fans.

* It is stated in ''WesternAnimation/IronManArmoredAdventures'' that Dormammu is a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien rather than a satanic DimensionLord like in the comics. SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom even claims that Dormammu's alien tech simply made him ''seem'' demonic.
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* It is stated in ''WesternAnimation/IronManArmoredAdventures'' that Dormammu is a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien rather than a satanic DimensionLord like in the comics. SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom even claims that Dormammu's alien tech simply made him ''seem'' demonic.
26th Dec '15 7:54:58 PM nombretomado
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* General comic book example: when DC jump-started {{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} by reinventing a number of their once-popular characters, they tended to replace mystical origin stories with scientific ones. For instance, the new Franchise/GreenLantern got his powers from being a {{space police}}man with an advanced technological weapon, rather than finding a magical lantern. This is probably largely because of the influence of Editor in Chief Julius Schwartz, who was also major editor in the field of prose science fiction.
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* General comic book example: when DC jump-started {{the UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} by reinventing a number of their once-popular characters, they tended to replace mystical origin stories with scientific ones. For instance, the new Franchise/GreenLantern got his powers from being a {{space police}}man with an advanced technological weapon, rather than finding a magical lantern. This is probably largely because of the influence of Editor in Chief Julius Schwartz, who was also major editor in the field of prose science fiction.
17th Dec '15 9:57:40 AM lorgskyegon
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** The '''real''' Satan hasn't been seen in so long, even in Hell, that many (even among the rulers) don't believe he actually exists. It doesn't mean they're going to take the chance and sit on his empty throne.
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