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23rd Aug '16 3:00:53 AM Morgenthaler
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* Wiki/{{Conservapedia}} has taken it into its collective head that {{Jesus}} curing a man's son at the same instant it's asked of him disproves relativity's "action at a distance" rule, and therefore relativity itself. What they fail to realize is that Jesus doing something which supercedes physical laws is an innate part of the "miracleness" of the action. There's also the fact that the time it took for Jesus to say the word decreeing the servant's healing was longer than it would take a light beam to travel from Him to where the servant lay, so there is no conflict with relativity anyway.[[note]]And even ignoring that, the argument is inherently silly for putting far more faith in both the accuracy of first century timepieces and the precision of speech of first-century people with respect to precise chronology than could possibly be warranted.[[/note]]
9th Aug '16 8:32:54 PM Discar
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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' supposedly did this to the Force. In the original trilogy, the Force is described as an energy field created by life that interconnects all living things. The ability to manipulate this energy field could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. However, ''The Phantom Menace'' claims that life ''itself'' is the result of a symbiotic relationship with organisms known as midi-chlorians, that reside in all living cells. Having a high concentration midi-chlorians increases both one's ability to manipulate the Force, and the total potential power of the individual Force user. Thus, it seems the Force is actually a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability. [[CanonDiscontinuity But with so many additional problems with the prequels, people don't need to believe it or even think about it. People can arguably reject it as nonsense,]] because despite what George Lucas wants us to believe, [[Film/TheForceAwakens that's not how the Force works,]] to quote [[spoiler:[[KilledOffForReal the late]]]] Han Solo.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' supposedly did this to the Force. In the original trilogy, the Force is described as an energy field created by life that interconnects all living things. The ability to manipulate this energy field could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. However, ''The Phantom Menace'' claims that life ''itself'' is the result of a symbiotic relationship with organisms known as midi-chlorians, that reside in all living cells. Having a high concentration midi-chlorians increases both one's ability to manipulate the Force, and the total potential power of the individual Force user. Thus, it seems the Force is actually a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability. [[CanonDiscontinuity But with so many additional problems with the prequels, people don't need to believe it or even think about it. People can arguably reject it as nonsense,]] because despite what George Lucas wants us to believe, [[Film/TheForceAwakens that's not how the Force works,]] to quote [[spoiler:[[KilledOffForReal the late]]]] Han Solo.
30th Jul '16 7:50:09 AM comicwriter
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* In the original ''Comicbook/SecretWarriors'' comics, Hellfire's powers were supernatural in nature, and were the result of him being a descendant of Carter Slade, the original Comicbook/GhostRider. In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Hellfire is simply an [[Comicbook/TheInhumans Inhuman]].
17th Jul '16 1:09:42 PM FastFuriousFan
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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' supposedly did this to the Force. In the original trilogy, the Force is described as an energy field created by life that interconnects all living things. The ability to manipulate this energy field could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. However, ''The Phantom Menace'' claims that life ''itself'' is the result of a symbiotic relationship with organisms known as midi-chlorians, that reside in all living cells. Having a high concentration midi-chlorians increases both one's ability to manipulate the Force, and the total potential power of the individual Force user. Thus, it seems the Force is actually a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability. [[CanonDiscontinuity But with so many additional problems with the prequels, people don't need to believe it or even think about it. People can arguably reject it as nonsense,]] because despite what George Lucas wants us to believe, [[Film/TheForceAwakens that's not how the Force works.]]

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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' supposedly did this to the Force. In the original trilogy, the Force is described as an energy field created by life that interconnects all living things. The ability to manipulate this energy field could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. However, ''The Phantom Menace'' claims that life ''itself'' is the result of a symbiotic relationship with organisms known as midi-chlorians, that reside in all living cells. Having a high concentration midi-chlorians increases both one's ability to manipulate the Force, and the total potential power of the individual Force user. Thus, it seems the Force is actually a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability. [[CanonDiscontinuity But with so many additional problems with the prequels, people don't need to believe it or even think about it. People can arguably reject it as nonsense,]] because despite what George Lucas wants us to believe, [[Film/TheForceAwakens that's not how the Force works.]]works,]] to quote [[spoiler:[[KilledOffForReal the late]]]] Han Solo.
16th Jul '16 5:12:36 PM FastFuriousFan
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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' infamously did this to the Force. In the original trilogy, the Force is described as an energy field created by life that interconnects all living things. The ability to manipulate this energy field could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. However, ''The Phantom Menace'' reveals that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVpSPXGCvc life ''itself'' is the result of a symbiotic relationship with organisms known as midi-chlorians,]] that reside in all living cells. Having a high concentration midi-chlorians increases both one's ability to manipulate the Force, and the total potential power of the individual Force user. Thus, the Force is actually a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' infamously supposedly did this to the Force. In the original trilogy, the Force is described as an energy field created by life that interconnects all living things. The ability to manipulate this energy field could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. However, ''The Phantom Menace'' reveals claims that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVpSPXGCvc life ''itself'' is the result of a symbiotic relationship with organisms known as midi-chlorians,]] midi-chlorians, that reside in all living cells. Having a high concentration midi-chlorians increases both one's ability to manipulate the Force, and the total potential power of the individual Force user. Thus, it seems the Force is actually a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability.ability. [[CanonDiscontinuity But with so many additional problems with the prequels, people don't need to believe it or even think about it. People can arguably reject it as nonsense,]] because despite what George Lucas wants us to believe, [[Film/TheForceAwakens that's not how the Force works.]]
9th Jul '16 11:22:20 AM comicwriter
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* The Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox ''Film/FantasticFour'' movies did away with Doctor Doom's sorcery abilities and PoweredArmor in favor of just making him a deformed [[CorruptCorporateExecutive businessman]] with [[ShockAndAwe electrical abilities]]. There's a reason Doom's "[[InNameOnly portrayal]]" in the films is so widely hated by the fans.

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* The Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox ''Film/FantasticFour'' movies did away with Doctor Doom's Not a single one of [[Film/TheFantasticFour the]] [[Film/FantasticFour2005 three]] [[Film/FantasticFour2015 attempts]] at making a ''Comicbook/FantasticFour'' film franchise have actually included DoctorDoom's sorcery abilities and PoweredArmor in favor abilities, instead always opting to make his powers a side effect of just making him a deformed [[CorruptCorporateExecutive businessman]] with [[ShockAndAwe electrical abilities]]. There's a reason Doom's "[[InNameOnly portrayal]]" in the films is so widely hated by the fans.scientific accident that disfigured his face.
9th Jul '16 12:36:35 AM MarkWilder
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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' infamously did this to Force ability. In the original trilogy, Force potential is vague, but could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. ''The Phantom Menace'' reveals that a person's ability to control the Force is indicated by the concentration of symbiotic organisms known as midi-chlorians in the bloodstream. Thus, Force potential becomes solidified as a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability. The Force itself is still magic, however.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/ThePhantomMenace'' infamously did this to Force ability. the Force. In the original trilogy, the Force potential is vague, but described as an energy field created by life that interconnects all living things. The ability to manipulate this energy field could be passed down through the family and sensed by other Jedi. However, ''The Phantom Menace'' reveals that a person's ability to control [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVpSPXGCvc life ''itself'' is the Force is indicated by the concentration result of a symbiotic relationship with organisms known as midi-chlorians,]] that reside in all living cells. Having a high concentration midi-chlorians in increases both one's ability to manipulate the bloodstream. Thus, Force Force, and the total potential becomes solidified as power of the individual Force user. Thus, the Force is actually a physical property of the body rather than an abstract talent or metaphysical ability. The Force itself is still magic, however.ability.
3rd Jul '16 5:18:04 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' started out as a deeply mystical story with biomechanical beings bearing ElementalPowers living a tribal life on a strange PatchworkMap island, based on prophecies told by their legends of the Great Spirit. Later it was explained that their whole culture is the result of a glitch in their AI and the lies told by their elders, the island was formed by a malfunctioning HumongousMecha who had been put into stasis by a virus, and said robot was their Great Spirit all along, whose mission wasn't to protect them and be their god, but to go on an inter-planetary travel, and ''they'' were in fact supposed to keep ''him'' running. And the Great Beings, hailed as ultra-powerful figures of legend were actually a bunch of geeks/politicians, blinded by ForScience-RuleOfCool far too much. All sorts of other sci-fi-ish elements also found their way into the story, like AlternateUniverse-traveling, a mystical star turning out to be a giant booster rocket, as well as more and more techno-terms and expressions. As WordOfGod put it, Bionicle is a story of people being wrong. Though [[BrokenBase many fans preferred the original, unique flavor of the story, and feel that the sudden overdose of sci-fi made it too generic]].

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* ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' started out as a deeply mystical story with biomechanical beings bearing ElementalPowers living a tribal life on a strange PatchworkMap island, based on prophecies told by their legends of the Great Spirit. Later it was explained that their whole culture is the result of a glitch in their AI and the lies told by their elders, the island was formed by a malfunctioning HumongousMecha who had been put into stasis by a virus, and said robot was their Great Spirit all along, whose mission wasn't to protect them and be their god, but to go on an inter-planetary travel, and ''they'' were in fact supposed to keep ''him'' running. And the Great Beings, hailed as ultra-powerful figures of legend were actually a bunch of geeks/politicians, blinded by ForScience-RuleOfCool far too much. All sorts of other sci-fi-ish elements also found their way into the story, like AlternateUniverse-traveling, a mystical star turning out to be a giant booster rocket, as well as more and more techno-terms and expressions. As WordOfGod put it, Bionicle is a story of people being wrong. Though [[BrokenBase many fans preferred the original, unique flavor of the story, and feel that the sudden overdose of sci-fi made it too generic]].
21st Jun '16 4:11:09 PM Chabal2
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** The Tau have little to no Warp presence, meaining they have no psychics and therefore no way of being influenced by the Warp. Unfortunately, they've taken this to mean that the Warp ''doesn't exist'', and that everything humans have to say on the subject are the fevered delusions of madmen (that the forces of Chaos who are much more at home in the Warp ''are'' universally madmen doesn't help). They once vanquished a Chaos army containing a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh and prided themselves on the propaganda value of having killed one of the Dark Gods. [[SarcasmMode Much the way destroying the treads on an Abrams tank means the U.S.' total military capacity has dropped to zero.]]
20th Jun '16 1:39:31 PM merotoker
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Removing a [[MagicRealism relatively poetic]] or mystical element (or [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane possibility]]) and replacing it by way of {{retcon}} with a more "realistic" one, in a {{revision}}, sequel or other adaptation, or occasionally even just later in the same story. This is pretty common in a fantasy-to-SciFi situation, probably because the two aren't too different in the outcome produced -- [[ScifiCounterpart a magical invisibility ring vs. a technological cloaking device]] are [[MagicFromTechnology functionally the same]]. However, it tends to disgruntle fans of the original, especially when the explanation is less satisfying than the mystery. Amusingly, if the answer is in {{technobabble}}, its "reality quotient" is [[VoodooShark just as silly]] as the initial explanation, even if certain [[BurnTheWitch anti-magic]] MoralGuardians may like technobabble better. It can also demand a whole sequence of [[ContrivedCoincidence coincidental oddities]], which (as observed by Creator/{{Aristotle}}) just makes it less convincing.

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Removing a [[MagicRealism relatively poetic]] or mystical element (or [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane possibility]]) and replacing it by way of {{retcon}} with a more "realistic" one, in a {{revision}}, sequel or other adaptation, or occasionally even just later in the same story. This is pretty common in a fantasy-to-SciFi situation, probably because the two aren't too different in the outcome produced -- [[ScifiCounterpart [[JustForFun/ScifiCounterpart a magical invisibility ring vs. a technological cloaking device]] are [[MagicFromTechnology functionally the same]]. However, it tends to disgruntle fans of the original, especially when the explanation is less satisfying than the mystery. Amusingly, if the answer is in {{technobabble}}, its "reality quotient" is [[VoodooShark just as silly]] as the initial explanation, even if certain [[BurnTheWitch anti-magic]] MoralGuardians may like technobabble better. It can also demand a whole sequence of [[ContrivedCoincidence coincidental oddities]], which (as observed by Creator/{{Aristotle}}) just makes it less convincing.



* ''Anime/MazingerZ'' and ''Anime/GreatMazinger'': In the Mazinger versus Great General of Darkness, a prophet warns Boss and his gang -and later Kouji and his friends- about the imminent Mykene invasion. It turns out that [[spoiler:in reality he was Prof. Kenzo Kabuto, father of Kouji and Shiro, who knew about the Mykene due to reasons have nothing to do with prophecies.]]

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* ''Anime/MazingerZ'' and ''Anime/GreatMazinger'': In the Mazinger versus Great General of Darkness, a prophet warns Boss and his gang -and later Kouji and his friends- about the imminent Mykene invasion. It turns out that [[spoiler:in reality he was Prof. Kenzo Kabuto, father of Kouji and Shiro, who knew about the Mykene due to reasons have nothing to do with prophecies.]]prophecies]].



* In the manga version of ''Manga/ChronoCrusade'', demons are [[spoiler:really aliens who crash-landed in the Atlantic Ocean and are now living underwater in their mothership. So a lot of what seems 'magical' about them is really BizarreAlienBiology or extremely advanced technology.]] However, this doesn't completely explain away their more supernatural powers, and there's still plenty of other magical and supernatural elements that are never explained away with science. The reason why this happened, according to [[WordOfGod the mangakaBigCutieMiley]] at an anime con in Seattle, is that he was criticized during the manga's run [[CriticalResearchFailure for not having the demons be accurate to Christian mythology]], so he pulled an AuthorsSavingThrow. Also, the anime adaptation ''didn't'' do this and played the supernatural elements straight the whole way through.

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* In the manga version of ''Manga/ChronoCrusade'', demons are [[spoiler:really aliens who crash-landed in the Atlantic Ocean and are now living underwater in their mothership. So a lot of what seems 'magical' about them is really BizarreAlienBiology or extremely advanced technology.]] technology]]. However, this doesn't completely explain away their more supernatural powers, and there's still plenty of other magical and supernatural elements that are never explained away with science. The reason why this happened, according to [[WordOfGod the mangakaBigCutieMiley]] at an anime con in Seattle, is that he was criticized during the manga's run [[CriticalResearchFailure for not having the demons be accurate to Christian mythology]], so he pulled an AuthorsSavingThrow. Also, the anime adaptation ''didn't'' do this and played the supernatural elements straight the whole way through.



* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': [[spoiler: Kyubey is a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien, not a magical creature, and he wants to prevent the universe's heat death by breaking the second law of thermodynamics. However, he does this by performing genuine miracles and drawing out real magical potential in human girls so he can collect energy generated by emotions; none of these are governed by thermodynamics or any kind of science and that's why they suit Kyubey's purpose.]] A rare case of also counting as DoingInTheScientist.

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': [[spoiler: Kyubey is a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien, not a magical creature, and he wants to prevent the universe's heat death by breaking the second law of thermodynamics. However, he does this by performing genuine miracles and drawing out real magical potential in human girls so he can collect energy generated by emotions; none of these are governed by thermodynamics or any kind of science and that's why they suit Kyubey's purpose.]] purpose]]. A rare case of also counting as DoingInTheScientist.



* In the original ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' comics, Mal Duncan's horn was a celestial artifact given to him by the archangel Gabriel. In the post-[[Comicbook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] continuity, the horn was instead a technological device built by Mal and his girlfriend Karen.

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* In the original ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' comics, Mal Duncan's horn was a celestial artifact given to him by the archangel Gabriel. In the post-[[Comicbook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] Comicbook/PostCrisis continuity, the horn was instead a technological device built by Mal and his girlfriend Karen.



* Likewise, ComicBook/{{Hawkman}}'s powers are ever-changing in nature: He's either the reincarnation of an Egyptian Pharaoh, or an alien. Or the reincarnation of an alien pharaoh. For example, the mystic that gave the third/fourth Hawkman his powers was retconned into being a Thanagarian scientist.
** Likewise, the nature of the "Nth Metal" that gives him his powers keeps changing; from a simple anti-gravity material, to all-purpose GreenRocks, either scientific or magical or even angelic in nature and naturally or artificially originating either from Earth, Thanagar or Heaven. Pick one from each column.

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* Likewise, ComicBook/{{Hawkman}}'s powers are ever-changing in nature: He's either the reincarnation of an Egyptian Pharaoh, or an alien. Or the reincarnation of an alien pharaoh. For example, the mystic that gave the third/fourth Hawkman his powers was retconned into being a Thanagarian scientist.
** Likewise,
scientist. Also, the nature of the "Nth Metal" that gives him his powers keeps changing; from a simple anti-gravity [[ArtificialGravity anti-gravity]] material, to all-purpose GreenRocks, either scientific or magical or even angelic in nature and naturally or artificially originating either from Earth, Thanagar or Heaven. Pick one from each column.



* In UltimateMarvel the origin of mutant powers was retooled as something that was scientifically made. SuperSerum instead of an evolution process.

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* In UltimateMarvel Comicbook/UltimateMarvel the origin of mutant powers was retooled as something that was scientifically made. SuperSerum instead of an evolution process.



** The mainstream version of Black Knight is a mystical knight with an enchanted sword from the time of King Arthur. The {{Ultimate|Marvel}} Black Knight is a quadriplegic {{Cyborg}} with ArtificialLimbs and a suit of PoweredArmor.

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** The mainstream version of Black Knight is a mystical knight with an enchanted sword from the time of King Arthur. The {{Ultimate|Marvel}} Comicbook/{{Ultimate|Marvel}} Black Knight is a quadriplegic {{Cyborg}} with ArtificialLimbs and a suit of PoweredArmor.



** Valkyrie from ''TheUltimates'' started off this way (she was just a Thor {{Fangirl}} rather than an actual Norse deity), but ended up being given magical powers by Loki.

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** Valkyrie from ''TheUltimates'' ''Comicbook/TheUltimates'' started off this way (she was just a Thor {{Fangirl}} rather than an actual Norse deity), but ended up being given magical powers by Loki.



* Officially, Mephisto is not literally the devil in Marvel's comics; he just gets off on convincing people that he is. Magic is a very real, very prominent force in Marvel stories...sometimes. Depending on the writer and the tone of the series, seemingly magical elements may be written off as fantastic technology and demons may in fact be interdimensional aliens...or not. It's all quite confusing, really, but the go-to solution seems to be simply not to worry about it too much.
** Mephisto is one of several evil extradimensional beings who claim or have claimed to be ''the'' Devil, Satan Merkratang. They all rule their own Hell dimensions, and all claim to be the real deal. Canonicly, they're all liars and know it.
** The '''real''' Satan hasn't been seen in so long, even in Hell, that many (even among the rulers) don't believe he actually exists. It doesn't mean they're going to take the chance and sit on his empty throne.

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* Officially, Mephisto is not literally the devil in Marvel's comics; he just gets off on convincing people that he is. Magic is a very real, very prominent force in Marvel stories...sometimes. Depending on the writer and the tone of the series, seemingly magical elements may be written off as fantastic technology and demons may in fact be interdimensional aliens...or not. It's all quite confusing, really, but the go-to solution seems to be simply not to worry about it too much.
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much. Mephisto is one of several evil extradimensional beings who claim or have claimed to be ''the'' Devil, Satan Merkratang. They all rule their own Hell dimensions, and all claim to be the real deal. Canonicly, they're all liars and know it.
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it. The '''real''' Satan hasn't been seen in so long, even in Hell, that many (even among the rulers) don't believe he actually exists. It doesn't mean they're going to take the chance and sit on his empty throne.



** ''Fanfic/TheWritingOnTheWall'' has AdventurerArchaeologist Daring Do working on excavating an ancient, imposing building constructed deep in the desert. Daring Do dismisses the metallic thorns constructed around the ediface as something meant to deter tomb robbers, and the eponymous writing inside the building as an attempt to scare people away with a nonexistent curse on anyone who disturbed the sanctity of the place. Too bad she was WrongGenreSavvy and RightForTheWrongReasons; the words and the thorns were both meant to deter tomb robbers, but [[spoiler: the building isn't a tomb, and the "curse" was a warning of the very real, but entirely non-magical danger which lay within.]]

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** ''Fanfic/TheWritingOnTheWall'' has AdventurerArchaeologist Daring Do working on excavating an ancient, imposing building constructed deep in the desert. Daring Do dismisses the metallic thorns constructed around the ediface as something meant to deter tomb robbers, and the eponymous writing inside the building as an attempt to scare people away with a nonexistent curse on anyone who disturbed the sanctity of the place. Too bad she was WrongGenreSavvy and RightForTheWrongReasons; the words and the thorns were both meant to deter tomb robbers, but [[spoiler: the building isn't a tomb, and the "curse" was a warning of the very real, but entirely non-magical danger which lay within.]]within]].



* In ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'', TheJuggernaut never has his origin given, and is at least believed by the populace to be just another mutant. In the comics, he gets his powers and armor from a mystical gem. The Phoenix is just Jean Grey's [[SplitPersonality alternate personality]], rather than a god-like cosmic entity. Though to be fair, the Phoenix originally ''was'' just Jean in the comics before it was {{Retcon}}ned into being a creature from space.

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* In ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'', TheJuggernaut never has his origin given, and is at least believed by the populace to be just another mutant. In the comics, he gets his powers and armor from a mystical gem. The Phoenix is just Jean Grey's ComicBook/JeanGrey's [[SplitPersonality alternate personality]], rather than a god-like cosmic entity. Though to be fair, the Phoenix originally ''was'' just Jean in the comics before it was {{Retcon}}ned into being a creature from space.



* The ''[[Film/{{Halloween 2007}} Halloween]]'' reboot ignores the idea that Michael's behavior is the result of an ancient curse placed on him by Druid cultists, instead opting to portray him as a very violent, deranged young man searching for his sister.
** Also if the ending of [[Film/HalloweenII2009 the sequel]] is any indication, he [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal lacks]] the supernatural JokerImmunity of his pre-reboot counterpart]].

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* The ''[[Film/{{Halloween 2007}} Halloween]]'' reboot ignores the idea that Michael's behavior is the result of an ancient curse placed on him by Druid cultists, instead opting to portray him as a very violent, deranged young man searching for his sister. \n** Also if the ending of [[Film/HalloweenII2009 the sequel]] is any indication, he [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal lacks]] the supernatural JokerImmunity of his pre-reboot counterpart]].



** Lampshaded in [[Recap/DoctorWho2010CSAChristmasCarol "A Christmas Carol"]]", when one character says that the fish like singing (ItMakesSenseInContext), the Doctor denies this and starts rambling about vibrating ice crystals. The fish seem to dislike this and they bite him.

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** Lampshaded in [[Recap/DoctorWho2010CSAChristmasCarol "A Christmas Carol"]]", Carol"]], when one character says that the fish like singing (ItMakesSenseInContext), the Doctor denies this and starts rambling about vibrating ice crystals. The fish seem to dislike this and they bite him.



** Lampshaded by Jackie Tyler in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E12ArmyOfGhosts "Army of Ghosts"]], complaining that the Doctor is trying to turn the return of their loved ones as ghosts into something scientific. As always, the Doctor is right, [[spoiler:the "ghosts" are Cybermen forcing their way into our universe from another.]]

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** Lampshaded by Jackie Tyler in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E12ArmyOfGhosts "Army of Ghosts"]], complaining that the Doctor is trying to turn the return of their loved ones as ghosts into something scientific. As always, the Doctor is right, [[spoiler:the "ghosts" are Cybermen forcing their way into our universe from another.]]another]].



** And ''that'' goes out the window when it's revealed there are metahumans who were nowhere near the explosion, the Lazarus Pit in season 3 of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', and explicitly the existence of magic in Season 4 when JohnConstantine shows up.

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** And ''that'' goes out the window when it's revealed there are metahumans who were nowhere near the explosion, the Lazarus Pit in season 3 of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', and explicitly the existence of magic in Season 4 when JohnConstantine Comicbook/JohnConstantine shows up.



* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue: Reconstruction'': [[spoiler:There's no such thing as ghosts. Church and Tex are AI programs.]] Though they had to do this to resolve the plot hole of [[spoiler:Church and Tex coming back, but everybody else stays down when killed.]] Especially with the serious nature of Reconstruction, and Washington bringing the body count higher and higher.

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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue: Reconstruction'': [[spoiler:There's no such thing as ghosts. Church and Tex are AI programs.]] programs]]. Though they had to do this to resolve the plot hole of [[spoiler:Church and Tex coming back, but everybody else stays down when killed.]] killed]]. Especially with the serious nature of Reconstruction, and Washington bringing the body count higher and higher.



*** Latest Warhammer 40,000 rulebooks adress this by stating that it's the other way around: you might want to call them psychic powers, but it's all actually Warp sorcery.

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*** Latest Warhammer 40,000 rulebooks adress address this by stating that it's the other way around: you might want to call them psychic powers, but it's all actually Warp sorcery.



** Then there's the character of Vamp, who is to all evidence an actual supernatural vampire. In a milieu with psychics, an immortal woman and a man [[BeeBeeGun COVERED IN BEES]], this isn't so strange it couldn't be pulled off with [[RefugeInAudacity sheer chutzpah]]. In ''[=MGS4=]'' [[spoiler:we find out his healing abilities are natural... but augmented by nanomachines. His fighting and knife skills are {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s... but the rest is technology.]]

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** Then there's the character of Vamp, who is to all evidence an actual supernatural vampire. In a milieu with psychics, an immortal woman and a man [[BeeBeeGun COVERED IN BEES]], this isn't so strange it couldn't be pulled off with [[RefugeInAudacity sheer chutzpah]]. In ''[=MGS4=]'' [[spoiler:we find out his healing abilities are natural... but augmented by nanomachines. His fighting and knife skills are {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s... but the rest is technology.]]technology]].



*** The wizard finally gets done in once & for all though in the [[VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime 3rd game]], when it turns out that [[spoiler:their entire universe is a computer game & the "magic" is just computer code that temporarily overwrites the physics engine.]] That the code works outside the game is {{hand wave}}d by saying that the parents of the protagonists created a special kind of science/magic/code that would make their special powers work outside their VR world. In other words, [[LogicBomb they cast a spell to make magic work in a world with no magic to make spells work]]. ''Star Ocean 3'' is [[spoiler:AIIsACrapshoot]] written from the other side.
* In ''VideoGame/GrandiaII'', [[spoiler:the gods Granas and Valmar were originally scientists who made what could only described as an ascension-to-godhood machine.]]
* The ''VideoGame/{{Condemned}}'' series: The [[VideoGame/CondemnedCriminalOrigins original game]] suggested that a supernatural force was causing the outbreak of violence, and the main character's own apparent insanity. The [[VideoGame/Condemned2Bloodshot sequel]] revealed that [[spoiler:it was a cult which was using sonic technology to drive people mad by causing hemorrhaging in the brain.]] However, this particular killed wizard is replaced by [[VoodooShark a much larger, much stupider one]], so to speak - in particular, [[spoiler:'''''every single named character in the game''''' except Rosa and ''maybe'' Pierce is involved with them in some way. Even ''the President'' is [[GovernmentConspiracy revealed to be one of them]] in the ending. Hell, even '''the protagonist''' is secretly involved with them, as he turns out to be "the Remedy" who can naturally do their (not-)magical-sound thing to [[YourHeadAsplode blow people's heads up with his voice]].]]

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*** The wizard finally gets done in once & for all though in the [[VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime 3rd game]], when it turns out that [[spoiler:their entire universe is a computer game & the "magic" is just computer code that temporarily overwrites the physics engine.]] engine]]. That the code works outside the game is {{hand wave}}d by saying that the parents of the protagonists created a special kind of science/magic/code that would make their special powers work outside their VR world. In other words, [[LogicBomb they cast a spell to make magic work in a world with no magic to make spells work]]. ''Star Ocean 3'' is [[spoiler:AIIsACrapshoot]] written from the other side.
* In ''VideoGame/GrandiaII'', [[spoiler:the gods Granas and Valmar were originally scientists who made what could only described as an ascension-to-godhood machine.]]
machine]].
* The ''VideoGame/{{Condemned}}'' series: The [[VideoGame/CondemnedCriminalOrigins original game]] suggested that a supernatural force was causing the outbreak of violence, and the main character's own apparent insanity. The [[VideoGame/Condemned2Bloodshot sequel]] revealed that [[spoiler:it was a cult which was using sonic technology to drive people mad by causing hemorrhaging in the brain.]] brain]]. However, this particular killed wizard is replaced by [[VoodooShark a much larger, much stupider one]], so to speak - in particular, [[spoiler:'''''every single named character in the game''''' except Rosa and ''maybe'' Pierce is involved with them in some way. Even ''the President'' is [[GovernmentConspiracy revealed to be one of them]] in the ending. Hell, even '''the protagonist''' is secretly involved with them, as he turns out to be "the Remedy" who can naturally do their (not-)magical-sound thing to [[YourHeadAsplode blow people's heads up with his voice]].]]voice]]]].



** As revealed in ''VideoGame/DreamfallTheLongestJourney'', after the new Guardian restored the Balance and corrected the flows of magic and science, anything in Stark that was based on magic (AntiGravity, FasterThanLightTravel, etc.) stopped working, as the laws of physics took over. This also explained why there were so many anti-gravity crashes mentioned in ''The Longest Journey'', as magic is inherently chaotic. On the other hand, in Arcadia, anything more advanced than MiddleAges can only work via {{Magitek}}, which includes steam engines and airships of the [[AntimagicalFaction Azadi]] [[TheEmpire Empire]].

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** As revealed in ''VideoGame/DreamfallTheLongestJourney'', after the new Guardian restored the Balance and corrected the flows of magic and science, anything in Stark that was based on magic (AntiGravity, ([[ArtificialGravity Anti-Gravity]], FasterThanLightTravel, etc.) stopped working, as the laws of physics took over. This also explained why there were so many anti-gravity crashes mentioned in ''The Longest Journey'', as magic is inherently chaotic. On the other hand, in Arcadia, anything more advanced than MiddleAges can only work via {{Magitek}}, which includes steam engines and airships of the [[AntimagicalFaction Azadi]] [[TheEmpire Empire]].



** Similarly, in the Federation campaign, there's an adventure that has you fighting ghosts in a spooky basement. Turns out the ghosts are just [[spoiler:aliens who are only partially phased into this reality, plus one malfunctioning hologram.]] They're still dangerous, just not supernatural.

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** Similarly, in the Federation campaign, there's an adventure that has you fighting ghosts in a spooky basement. Turns out the ghosts are just [[spoiler:aliens who are only partially phased into this reality, plus one malfunctioning hologram.]] hologram]]. They're still dangerous, just not supernatural.



* A weirdly inverted version in ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'': While the witches and their magic ''seem'' to be blatantly real, if Battler can explain all the deaths away as the work of normal humans, he'll Do In The Wizard and {{Retcon}} them away. [[spoiler:While it's never outright stated whether everything is magic or mundane, it's still eventually made clear that from a mundane perspective, the "magical" characters aren't real at all; they're either meant to be symbolic or the product of a human character's imagination.]] There's also [[spoiler:[[AllThereInTheManual "Our Confession"]], a side material that shows how Yasu used trickery and bribery to commit the murders.]]
** To put it simply (which is not easy, since the story of the series is wrapped up in about five layers of meta-narratives): [[spoiler: There is actually not "magic" in the setting. The actual events on Rokkenjima all happened without any supernatural influence and were committed by Yasu, Kyrie and Rudolf. All the Episodes of the visual novel are in-universe fiction written by Yasu (Ep 1-2) and Battler (Ep 3-6), with only the "present time" parts with Ange taking place in reality (unless they also involve magic... it is pretty complicated). Battler's struggle with Beato, the witches and other supernatural entities thorough the episodes is in practice nothing more than a clash between looking for the truth (the mystery perspective, finding the ultimate culprit and their motives) versus surrendering to deception (the fantasy perspective, accepting magic and giving up the search for clues and motives in order to protect oneself from accusing their loved ones). One could even say Umineko is one gigantic allegory for solving the core mystery, and doing in the different magical characters is about defeating the mysteries/obstacles they embody.]]

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* A weirdly inverted version in ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'': While the witches and their magic ''seem'' to be blatantly real, if Battler can explain all the deaths away as the work of normal humans, he'll Do In The Wizard and {{Retcon}} them away. [[spoiler:While it's never outright stated whether everything is magic or mundane, it's still eventually made clear that from a mundane perspective, the "magical" characters aren't real at all; they're either meant to be symbolic or the product of a human character's imagination.]] There's also [[spoiler:[[AllThereInTheManual "Our Confession"]], a side material that shows how Yasu used trickery and bribery to commit the murders.]]
murders]].
** To put it simply (which is not easy, since the story of the series is wrapped up in about five layers of meta-narratives): [[spoiler: There is actually not "magic" in the setting. The actual events on Rokkenjima all happened without any supernatural influence and were committed by Yasu, Kyrie and Rudolf. All the Episodes of the visual novel are in-universe fiction written by Yasu (Ep 1-2) and Battler (Ep 3-6), with only the "present time" parts with Ange taking place in reality (unless they also involve magic... it is pretty complicated). Battler's struggle with Beato, the witches and other supernatural entities thorough the episodes is in practice nothing more than a clash between looking for the truth (the mystery perspective, finding the ultimate culprit and their motives) versus surrendering to deception (the fantasy perspective, accepting magic and giving up the search for clues and motives in order to protect oneself from accusing their loved ones). One could even say Umineko is one gigantic allegory for solving the core mystery, and doing in the different magical characters is about defeating the mysteries/obstacles they embody.]]embody]].



* In an early ''Webcomic/FullFrontalNerdity'' strip, the players in Frank's most recent campaign discover that the 'origin of magic' is actually SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology and that benevolent aliens are responsible for channeling these 'miracles' to humans. [[NoJustNoReaction They react much as expected.]]

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* In an early ''Webcomic/FullFrontalNerdity'' strip, the players in Frank's most recent campaign discover that the 'origin of magic' is actually SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology MagicFromTechnology and that benevolent aliens are responsible for channeling these 'miracles' to humans. [[NoJustNoReaction They react much as expected.]]



* Shandala, the heroine of UrbanFantasy series ''WebAnimation/BrokenSaints'', has a variety of PsychicPowers, most notably healing wounds with a touch and unleashing loads of MindRape on hostile persons, courtesy of her [[TheEmpath perpetual hyper-empathic state]]. In the GrandFinale, it is [[TheReveal revealed]] that [[spoiler:she was genetically designed and bred by her father to be in a perpetual hyper-empathic state, and then hit with a TraumaCongaLine to turn her into the ultimate conduit for the broadcast of emotion (esp. fear) part of his EvilPlan to collapse civilization.]]

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* Shandala, the heroine of UrbanFantasy series ''WebAnimation/BrokenSaints'', has a variety of PsychicPowers, most notably healing wounds with a touch and unleashing loads of MindRape on hostile persons, courtesy of her [[TheEmpath perpetual hyper-empathic state]]. In the GrandFinale, it is [[TheReveal revealed]] that [[spoiler:she was genetically designed and bred by her father to be in a perpetual hyper-empathic state, and then hit with a TraumaCongaLine to turn her into the ultimate conduit for the broadcast of emotion (esp. fear) part of his EvilPlan to collapse civilization.]]civilization]].



** WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien makes it plain that "magic" and "mana" are just two different terms for the same thing. Gwen's half-Anodite heritage just makes her really good at it - Anodites are EnergyBeings ''made'' of the stuff - but its entirely possible for humans like Charmcaster and her people to use it too, with a bit more effort. Around the time we start delving into this, spellbooks and such make their return. (There's a really interesting battle between Gwen and Sunny, a full Anodite, that shows the difference: Sunny's Anodite powers are stronger so she's really tearing the place up with energy blasts and force fields. Gwen's raw power is weaker as she's half human, but the manner of effects she can create through spell-casting is a much wider variety. [[spoiler: Ultimately, she just doesn't have the raw power to defeat Sunny, but she holds out long enough for Verdona - their grandmother, a much older and ridiculously strong Anodite - to arrive to put Sunny in her place.]])

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** WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' makes it plain that "magic" and "mana" are just two different terms for the same thing. Gwen's half-Anodite heritage just makes her really good at it - Anodites are EnergyBeings ''made'' of the stuff - but its entirely possible for humans like Charmcaster and her people to use it too, with a bit more effort. Around the time we start delving into this, spellbooks and such make their return. (There's a really interesting battle between Gwen and Sunny, a full Anodite, that shows the difference: Sunny's Anodite powers are stronger so she's really tearing the place up with energy blasts and force fields. Gwen's raw power is weaker as she's half human, but the manner of effects she can create through spell-casting is a much wider variety. [[spoiler: Ultimately, she just doesn't have the raw power to defeat Sunny, but she holds out long enough for Verdona - their grandmother, a much older and ridiculously strong Anodite - to arrive to put Sunny in her place.]])



*** The spark was shown as [[spoiler:not indestructible]] when Megatron [[spoiler:cuts a portion of it out to become the spark for Dinobot II.]]

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*** The spark was shown as [[spoiler:not indestructible]] when Megatron [[spoiler:cuts a portion of it out to become the spark for Dinobot II.]]II]].



** The shows themselves have a strange relationship with "the wizard," where things we'd call "magic" are described in sciency terms because, well, they're robots. Gods, demons, KiAttacks, PsychicPowers, {{Battle Aura}}s, and TheLifestream all exist, but don't expect them to ever be called that ''or'' explained to death in a 'midichlorian' sort of way.

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** The shows themselves have a strange relationship with "the wizard," where things we'd call "magic" are described in sciency terms because, well, they're robots. Gods, demons, KiAttacks, KiManipulation, PsychicPowers, {{Battle Aura}}s, and TheLifestream all exist, but don't expect them to ever be called that ''or'' explained to death in a 'midichlorian' sort of way.



* In [[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution X-Men Evolution]] the Juggernaut got his powers through mysticism like the comics, except it turns out the Gem of Cytorrak he used in them actually emits a form of radiation that activates and amplifies mutant powers.

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* In [[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution ''[[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution X-Men Evolution]] Evolution]]'' the Juggernaut got his powers through mysticism like the comics, except it turns out the Gem of Cytorrak he used in them actually emits a form of radiation that activates and amplifies mutant powers.
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