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18th May '17 12:38:20 PM Anddrix
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** And ''that'' goes out the window when it's revealed there are metahumans who were nowhere near the explosion, the Lazarus Pit in season 3 of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', and explicitly the existence of magic in Season 4 when Comicbook/JohnConstantine shows up. It goes even farther out the window with the addition of ''WesternAnimaion/{{Vixen}}'' (magic), ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' (time travel, immortality, reincarnation), and ''Series/{{Supergirl}}'' (aliens are real in another reality) to the Franchise/ArrowVerse. Oh, and aliens then go ahead and invade Earth-1 anyway.

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** And ''that'' goes out the window when it's revealed there are metahumans who were nowhere near the explosion, the Lazarus Pit in season 3 of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', and explicitly the existence of magic in Season 4 when Comicbook/JohnConstantine shows up. It goes even farther out the window with the addition of ''WesternAnimaion/{{Vixen}}'' (magic), ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' (time travel, immortality, reincarnation), and ''Series/{{Supergirl}}'' (aliens are real in another reality) to the Franchise/ArrowVerse.Series/ArrowVerse. Oh, and aliens then go ahead and invade Earth-1 anyway.
18th Apr '17 12:11:42 PM ChronoLegion
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** And ''that'' goes out the window when it's revealed there are metahumans who were nowhere near the explosion, the Lazarus Pit in season 3 of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', and explicitly the existence of magic in Season 4 when Comicbook/JohnConstantine shows up.

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** And ''that'' goes out the window when it's revealed there are metahumans who were nowhere near the explosion, the Lazarus Pit in season 3 of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'', and explicitly the existence of magic in Season 4 when Comicbook/JohnConstantine shows up. It goes even farther out the window with the addition of ''WesternAnimaion/{{Vixen}}'' (magic), ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' (time travel, immortality, reincarnation), and ''Series/{{Supergirl}}'' (aliens are real in another reality) to the Franchise/ArrowVerse. Oh, and aliens then go ahead and invade Earth-1 anyway.



* Zig-zagged in ''Series/{{Grimm}}'' with some of the powers of the Wesen. For example, the Grimms' ability to see Wesen is, apparently, explained by them having more cones in their eyes (i.e. they have a broader visual spectrum). Then completely averted with some creatures who are not Wesen but are just plain supernatural (such as a ghost lady, a volcano being, or a {{Golem}}). There is also no attempt to explain the [[MindOverMatter telekinesis]] and spells of the [[WitchSpecies Hexenbiests]].

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* Zig-zagged in ''Series/{{Grimm}}'' with some of the powers of the Wesen. For example, the Grimms' ability to see Wesen is, apparently, explained by them having more cones in their eyes (i.e. they have a broader visual spectrum). Then completely averted with some creatures who are not Wesen but are just plain supernatural (such as a ghost lady, a volcano being, or a {{Golem}}). There is also no attempt to explain the [[MindOverMatter telekinesis]] and spells of the [[WitchSpecies Hexenbiests]]. The final season throws that completely out the window, with Nick actually travelling to Wesen Hell and meeting the Wesen Devil. Oh, and in the final fight, he fights side-by-side with his dead mom and aunt and then magically jumps back to a few days before.
13th Apr '17 7:43:52 PM TheKaizerreich
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* Some cryptozoologists have been known to come up with more natural explanations for the creatures they're seeking. The Thunderbird, for example, is often thought of as simply a large, undiscovered bird of prey, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teratornithidae or an extinct one]], or a case of people overestimating the size of mundane birds like turkey vultures, rather than a titanic, lightning-shooting weather spirit. Likewise, the Kracken is thought to have been an exaggeration of sightings of giant squids, which were thought to be mythical themselves until the body of one was actually recovered.

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* Some cryptozoologists have been known to come up with more natural explanations for the creatures they're seeking. The Thunderbird, for example, is often thought of as simply a large, undiscovered bird of prey, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teratornithidae or an extinct one]], or a case of people overestimating the size of mundane birds like turkey vultures, rather than a titanic, lightning-shooting weather spirit. Likewise, the Kracken Kraken is thought to have been an exaggeration of sightings of giant squids, which were thought to be mythical themselves until the body of one was actually recovered.recovered. Considering some squids have eyes the size of basketballs, it's understandable why they were assumed to be fiction.
13th Apr '17 7:33:33 PM TheKaizerreich
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** One of the appeals of the setting is that a lot of things MayBeMagicMayBeMundane. The giant AwesomePersonalCarrier with several batteries of laser cannons and twin [[GatlingGood gatling guns as support]], which transports 12 {{Super Soldiers}}s in ancient PowerArmor may be able to work even after its crew is dead due to a magical "machine spirit"... or the machine spirit may just be a highly advanced AI from another, more enlightened age and simply poorly understood due to the regression of society and technology over 10,000 years of galaxy-wide war. The faction that is explicitedly stated to use AI (and no magic) are the aforementioned Tau, and the Necrons who are stated to have mastered all physical science the normal universe has to offer. For everyone else, it might be this trope, it might be pure magic, MagiTek or something else entirely.

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** One of the appeals of the setting is that a lot of things MayBeMagicMayBeMundane. The giant AwesomePersonalCarrier AwesomePersonnelCarrier with several batteries of laser cannons and twin [[GatlingGood gatling guns as support]], which transports 12 {{Super Soldiers}}s in ancient PowerArmor may be able to work even after its crew is dead due to a magical "machine spirit"... or the machine spirit may just be a highly advanced AI from another, more enlightened age and simply poorly understood due to the regression of society and technology over 10,000 years of galaxy-wide war. The faction that is explicitedly stated to use AI (and no magic) are the aforementioned Tau, and the Necrons who are stated to have mastered all physical science the normal universe has to offer. For everyone else, it might be this trope, it might be pure magic, MagiTek or something else entirely.
13th Apr '17 7:33:00 PM TheKaizerreich
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** One of the appeals of the setting is that a lot of things MayBeMagicMayBeMundane. The giant AwesomePersonalCarrier with several batteries of laser cannons and twin [[GatlingGood gatling guns as support]], which transports 12 {{Super Soldiers}}s in ancient PowerArmor may be able to work even after its crew is dead due to a magical "machine spirit"... or the machine spirit may just be a highly advanced AI from another, more enlightened age and simply poorly understood due to the regression of society and technology over 10,000 years of galaxy-wide war. The faction that is explicitedly stated to use AI (and no magic) are the aforementioned Tau, and the Necrons who are stated to have mastered all physical science the normal universe has to offer. For everyone else, it might be this trope, it might be pure magic, MagiTek or something else entirely.
2nd Apr '17 4:44:46 PM Sonofstranger
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* A lot of ''Franchise/AceAttorney'''s cases leave the unfortunate protagonist to decipher the wackier things ([[{{Flight}} Levitation]], {{Teleportation}}, TimeTravel, {{Stock Ness Monster}}s, people appearing in multiple places at the same time, etc.) that some witnesses see. In one case, the culprit uses an ''actual'' magic trick to murder the victim, create an alibi, and pin the blame on the defendant. Completely averted with the [[WillingChanneler Spirit Media]] and [[SpookySeance Divination Séances]] though. They're legitimate.
21st Mar '17 6:01:36 PM KaworuS
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* ''Series/KamenRiderAmazons'' to the series it's rebooting, ''Series/KamenRiderAmazon''. In the original, the title character was a human augmented by mystical means and powered by a magical artifact called the Gi-Gi Armlet, which if removed would kill him. In the rebooted series, all Amazons (or Amazonz) are just people implanted with parasitic and cannibalistic cells only held back by an armlet that injects them with a pacification chemical...that looks EXACTLY like the originals Gigi Armlet...only edge-y.
20th Mar '17 10:55:22 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* The ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'' attempts to find scientific and rational reasons for how the various [[ArtifactofDoom objects]] they contain with [[SubvertedTrope minimal success]]. Objects that have been successfully explained get the special [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-ex -EX]] designation]].

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* The ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'' attempts to find scientific and rational reasons for how the various [[ArtifactofDoom objects]] they contain with [[SubvertedTrope minimal success]]. Objects that have been successfully explained get the special [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-ex -EX]] designation]].designation.
20th Mar '17 10:55:11 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* The ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'' attempts to find scientific and rational reasons for how the various [[ArtifactofDoom objects]] they contain with [[SubvertedTrope minimal success]].

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* The ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'' attempts to find scientific and rational reasons for how the various [[ArtifactofDoom objects]] they contain with [[SubvertedTrope minimal success]]. Objects that have been successfully explained get the special [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-ex -EX]] designation]].
19th Mar '17 3:37:08 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* The 1929 horror film 'The Unholy Night'' ends with a "rational explanation" to explain all the supernatural horror elements, which was common in American films at the time.

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* The 1929 horror film 'The ''The Unholy Night'' ends with a "rational explanation" to explain all the supernatural horror elements, which was common in American films at the time.



* The protagonist of ''Film/TheIllusionist'' abandons his illusions for seances and shows wherein he seems to actually communicate with the dead. [[spoiler: Turns out he's just a really, REALLY good illusionist... I guess the title should have given it away.]]

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* The protagonist of ''Film/TheIllusionist'' abandons his illusions for seances and shows wherein he seems to actually communicate with the dead. [[spoiler: Turns [[spoiler:Turns out he's just a really, REALLY good illusionist... I guess the title should have given it away.]]



* Justified and inverted ''at the same time'' in Creator/GKChesterton's Literature/FatherBrown short stories. At first, something supernatural seems to be going on; in the end, the "ghost-story" phenomena turn out to be this-worldly. However, Chesterton then follows up with a double twist: the crime had a supernatural cause after all, one far more dreadful than any ghost ... i.e., the terrible mysteries of the human heart.

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* Justified and inverted ''at the same time'' in Creator/GKChesterton's Literature/FatherBrown short stories. At first, something supernatural seems to be going on; in the end, the "ghost-story" phenomena turn out to be this-worldly. However, Chesterton then follows up with a double twist: the crime had a supernatural cause after all, one far more dreadful than any ghost ...ghost... i.e., the terrible mysteries of the human heart.



* A ChristmasEpisode of ''Series/{{Eureka}}'' has Taggart ''attempting'' to do in the ''Santa'', with chimney-climbing device, matter-shrinking ray (for storing the presents), and flying sleigh complete with holographic reindeer. (Though, according to Jack's [[UnreliableNarrator telling]] of the events of the night, he failed, and Santa actually exists in the universe. He could be making it up, but then, ''Eureka'' ''does'' share the same continuity with ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}''…) Taggart was actually attempting to prove that Santa DOES exist…or could, anyway. More like Justifying the Wizard.

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* A ChristmasEpisode of ''Series/{{Eureka}}'' has Taggart ''attempting'' to do in the ''Santa'', with chimney-climbing device, matter-shrinking ray (for storing the presents), and flying sleigh complete with holographic reindeer. (Though, according to Jack's [[UnreliableNarrator telling]] of the events of the night, he failed, and Santa actually exists in the universe. He could be making it up, but then, ''Eureka'' ''does'' share the same continuity with ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}''…) 13}}''...) Taggart was actually attempting to prove that Santa DOES exist…or exist... or could, anyway. More like Justifying the Wizard.



** ...At least in season one. Season 2 introduces Franchise/TheFlash and finally grants [[spoiler: Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} his powers]].

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** ...At least in season one. Season 2 introduces Franchise/TheFlash and finally grants [[spoiler: Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} [[spoiler:Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} his powers]].



** Then WordOfGod claims that both Hex and Charmcaster are in fact magic users. Maybe coming from another dimension has something to do with it.....

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** Then WordOfGod claims that both Hex and Charmcaster are in fact magic users. Maybe coming from another dimension has something to do with it.....it....
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