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6th Feb '17 6:51:43 AM Doug86
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* ''Literature/TimeLordFairyTales'' is a DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse book that does this to various European fairy tales by replacing magic with the Franchise/{{Whoniverse}}'s soft-sci-fi and {{Technobabble}} equivalents. "Cursed to sleep for a century" becomes "trapped in suspended animation"; "cursed to become a monster" becomes "accident scrambles DNA", etc.

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* ''Literature/TimeLordFairyTales'' is a DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse book that does this to various European fairy tales by replacing magic with the Franchise/{{Whoniverse}}'s soft-sci-fi and {{Technobabble}} equivalents. "Cursed to sleep for a century" becomes "trapped in suspended animation"; "cursed to become a monster" becomes "accident scrambles DNA", etc.
18th Jan '17 6:02:45 AM Morgenthaler
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** The ExpandedUniverse also introduces [[CthulhuMythos the Great Old Ones]] and their cults, which are able to create all kinds of blatantly magical effects with incantations and rituals. The Doctor, as usual, handwaves the entire thing: just as the Time Lords use mathematics to achieve their [[ClarkesThirdLaw sufficiently advanced technology]], the Great Old Ones used language, and brought their own physical laws forward into our universe with them. (This is roughly the same explanation that would later show up in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E2TheShakespeareCode "The Shakespeare Code"]], above.) ''Millennial Rites'' takes this even further, introducing a character from the ''next'' universe who appears to do the same thing through sigils.

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** The ExpandedUniverse also introduces [[CthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos the Great Old Ones]] and their cults, which are able to create all kinds of blatantly magical effects with incantations and rituals. The Doctor, as usual, handwaves the entire thing: just as the Time Lords use mathematics to achieve their [[ClarkesThirdLaw sufficiently advanced technology]], the Great Old Ones used language, and brought their own physical laws forward into our universe with them. (This is roughly the same explanation that would later show up in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E2TheShakespeareCode "The Shakespeare Code"]], above.) ''Millennial Rites'' takes this even further, introducing a character from the ''next'' universe who appears to do the same thing through sigils.
12th Jan '17 7:40:27 PM ZimFan89
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** Averted with ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'', wherein it's shown that not only is magic a real force, but it specifically doesn't need to follow the rules of scientific law.



* The StarWarsExpandedUniverse novel ''Literature/Darth Plagueis'' lampshaded this trope in-universe with respect to the midi-chlorians. The titular Sith Lord was a materialist that sought to explain the Force through rational means as opposed to the mystic reverence the Jedi bestow to it. With this knowledge, Plagueis attempted to manipulate the midi-chlorians to create a living being that would serve the Sith. However, the trope is ultimately subverted as it turned out, the Force had a mind of its own and rebelled by creating TheChosenOne instead.

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* The StarWarsExpandedUniverse novel ''Literature/Darth Plagueis'' ''Literature/DarthPlagueis'' lampshaded this trope in-universe with respect to the midi-chlorians. The titular Sith Lord was a materialist that sought to explain the Force through rational means as opposed to the mystic reverence the Jedi bestow to it. With this knowledge, Plagueis attempted to manipulate the midi-chlorians to create a living being that would serve the Sith. However, the trope is ultimately subverted as it turned out, the Force had a mind of its own and rebelled by creating TheChosenOne instead.
12th Jan '17 3:21:18 PM benda
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* Heck, they basically ''invented'' this trope in Ancient Greece when they claimed that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euhemerism all the gods had been simply strong humans whose deeds were then vastly exaggerated by the later generations]].
11th Jan '17 3:05:38 PM Someoneman
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* Almost every Franchise/ProfessorLayton game. Box that kills people who open it? [[spoiler:Hallucinogenic gas.]] Time travel? [[spoiler:Massive underground cavern and a house that's really an elevator down.]] Specter terrorizing a town? [[spoiler:Excavation robot and a giant prehistoric manatee fighting. [[SincerityMode No, seriously.]]]]
** Though, to be fair, [[spoiler:there is actual time travel revealed after the one they thought was real proved to be fake]]. It's flawed, but it's real.

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* Almost every Franchise/ProfessorLayton game. Box that kills people who open it? [[spoiler:Hallucinogenic gas.]] Time travel? [[spoiler:Massive underground cavern and a house that's really an elevator down.down[[note]]Although that game also contained one character who actually traveled through time, albeit only temporarily (with the time machine's explosion waiting to kill her when she returns)[[/note]].]] Specter terrorizing a town? [[spoiler:Excavation robot and a giant prehistoric manatee fighting. [[SincerityMode No, seriously.]]]]
** Though, to be fair, [[spoiler:there is actual time travel revealed after the one they thought was real proved to be fake]]. It's flawed, but it's real.
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9th Jan '17 1:15:38 AM BURGINABC
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Compare and contrast with HowUnscientific. See also {{Demythtification}}, TheMagicGoesAway, and MagicVersusScience. Diametric opposite to DoingInTheScientist. Inbetween you have MaybeMagicMaybeMundane. Compare {{Jossed}}. Contrast MagicAIsMagicA and TheMagicComesBack. [[IThoughtItMeant Has nothing to do with]] [[BurnTheWitch the execution of magic users.]] Or a RussianReversal of DoingInTheScientist. Related to SufficientlyAdvancedAlien.

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Compare and contrast with HowUnscientific. See also {{Demythtification}}, TheMagicGoesAway, and MagicVersusScience. Diametric opposite to DoingInTheScientist. Inbetween you have MagicVersusScience, and MaybeMagicMaybeMundane. Compare {{Jossed}}. Contrast MagicAIsMagicA and TheMagicComesBack. [[IThoughtItMeant Has nothing to do with]] [[BurnTheWitch the execution of magic users.]] Or a RussianReversal of DoingInTheScientist. Related to SufficientlyAdvancedAlien.
SufficientlyAdvancedAlien. The full {{Inversion}} of this trope is a trope unto itself, DoingInTheScientist.
24th Dec '16 6:44:24 PM Nezumi
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** In Ultimate Spider-Man, the Comicbook/{{Venom}} symbiote is a life-form created by Peter and Eddie Brock's dad in an attempt to cure cancer, rather than an alien life-form.
24th Dec '16 12:14:59 PM Gosicrystal
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Another problem this trope might encounter is that, while fans only expect [[MagicAIsMagicA magic to have the same effect while used in the same way]], the audience may be less [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief willing to suspend disbelief]] when converted into [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness hard science]], unless it is prefaced with [[GreenRocks some kind of]] [[MinovskyPhysics pseudoscientific material]] [[{{Unobtanium}} specifically stated not]] [[AppliedPhlebotinum to follow standard physics]] (of course, doing this still keeps the stuff ''[[NoExceptYes technically]]'' magic, just not, you know, ''[[FunctionalMagic magic]]'').

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Another problem this trope might encounter is that, while fans only expect [[MagicAIsMagicA magic to have the same effect while used in the same way]], the audience may be less [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief willing to suspend disbelief]] when converted into [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness hard science]], unless it is prefaced with [[GreenRocks some kind of]] [[MinovskyPhysics pseudoscientific material]] [[{{Unobtanium}} specifically stated not]] [[AppliedPhlebotinum to follow standard physics]] (of course, doing this still keeps the stuff ''[[NoExceptYes ''[[DistinctionWithoutADifference technically]]'' magic, just not, you know, ''[[FunctionalMagic magic]]'').
13th Dec '16 11:23:14 AM Tron80
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* The early 1960s ''Comicbook/BlueBeetle'', Dan Garrett, gained superpowers from a magical beetle-shaped amulet from Ancient Egypt. The third Blue Beetle, Jaime Reyes, also gets his power from the Scarab, but about seven issues in, it's revealed to actually be a long-lost bit of ImportedAlienPhlebotinum. {{Justified}} in that the alien race behind it, the Reach, have disguised many of their plans and weapons as "magic" so that no one would ask questions. And of course, since this is the DC Universe, nobody denies that magic exists; in fact, Garret used magic to activate his. This was inverted in ''Comicbook/DCRebirth'', which seems to have decided [[DoingInTheScientist it really IS magic, after all]]. Comics!

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* The early 1960s ''Comicbook/BlueBeetle'', Dan Garrett, gained superpowers from a magical beetle-shaped amulet from Ancient Egypt. The third Blue Beetle, Jaime Reyes, also gets his power from the Scarab, but about seven issues in, it's revealed to actually be a long-lost bit of ImportedAlienPhlebotinum. {{Justified}} in that the alien race behind it, the Reach, have disguised many of their plans and weapons as "magic" so that no one would ask questions. And of course, since this is the DC Universe, nobody denies that magic exists; in fact, Garret used magic to activate his. This was inverted in ''Comicbook/DCRebirth'', which seems to have decided [[DoingInTheScientist it really IS magic, after all]]. Comics!
13th Dec '16 11:22:26 AM Tron80
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* The early 1960s ''Comicbook/BlueBeetle'', Dan Garrett, gained superpowers from a magical beetle-shaped amulet from Ancient Egypt. The third Blue Beetle, Jaime Reyes, also gets his power from the Scarab, but about seven issues in, it's revealed to actually be a long-lost bit of ImportedAlienPhlebotinum. {{Justified}} in that the alien race behind it, the Reach, have disguised many of their plans and weapons as "magic" so that no one would ask questions. And of course, since this is the DC Universe, nobody denies that magic exists; in fact, Garret used magic to activate his.
** {{Inverted}} in DCRebirth, which seems to have decided [[DoingInTheScientist it really IS magic, after all]]. Comics!

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* The early 1960s ''Comicbook/BlueBeetle'', Dan Garrett, gained superpowers from a magical beetle-shaped amulet from Ancient Egypt. The third Blue Beetle, Jaime Reyes, also gets his power from the Scarab, but about seven issues in, it's revealed to actually be a long-lost bit of ImportedAlienPhlebotinum. {{Justified}} in that the alien race behind it, the Reach, have disguised many of their plans and weapons as "magic" so that no one would ask questions. And of course, since this is the DC Universe, nobody denies that magic exists; in fact, Garret used magic to activate his. \n** {{Inverted}} This was inverted in DCRebirth, ''Comicbook/DCRebirth'', which seems to have decided [[DoingInTheScientist it really IS magic, after all]]. Comics!
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