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22nd May '18 4:07:16 PM catmuto
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBeseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] than him. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBeseria'' ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] than him. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.
22nd May '18 4:06:30 PM catmuto
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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBeseria'' has an event near the late middle of the game, where Velvet ends up killing Oscar and Teresa. The scene is played out like her killing them was a horrendous thing to do, as she killed the younger brother in front of his sister, and she feels that this is exactly what Artorius did to ''her'' in the beginning. That she has become [[NotSoDifferent no]] [[YouAreWhatYouHate better]] than him. This doesn't work because, unlike Artorius, Velvet hadn't ''intended'' to kill either of them -- the party had an agreement with Teresa, where they agreed to leave each other alone after reuniting her with Oscar, that she went back on -- and the fact that neither of the two are innocent. Teresa was using Malakhim as tools and was abusive towards them, which includes Laphicet, and Oscar knew of the atrocities Artorius was committing as head of the Abbey, and willingly went along with it. Oscar was the one that made Kamoana, a naive and innocent girl, into a Therion with no remorse. He didn't even see it as a NecessaryEvil.
12th May '18 2:56:25 PM MadAnthony94
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Marge Be Not Proud" presents Bart's shoplifting as above and beyond his usual prankery, but at this point in the series he's already smashed all the windows in Mr. Burns' mansion, been involved with the Mob, and been expelled from school for massive property damage at least once.
23rd Mar '18 1:14:53 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where [[CompleteMonster The Joker]] is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where [[CompleteMonster The Joker]] ComicBook/TheJoker is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':
4th Mar '18 10:57:01 AM gophergiggles
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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'s'' one rule of [[ThouShallNotKill never killing]], particularly where [[CompleteMonster The Joker]] is concerned, has been a long-standing case of this considering Arkham Asylum status as a corrupt CardboardPrison and that countless lives would undeniably be safe without him around. So much so that it's been analyzed in-depth both InUniverse and by fans, justified as both a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters or RousseauWasRight, and even challenged in ''Film/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'':
--> '''Jason Todd:''' Ignoring what he's done in the past. Blindly stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled. I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt.
--> '''Batman:''' You don't undertstand. It'd be too damned easy. All I've ever wanted to do is kill him. But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place, [[HeWhoFightsMonsters I'll never come back]].
--> '''Jason Todd:''' ''[[ArmorPiercingQuestion Why]]?'' I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent. I'm talking about him. Just him. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.
--> '''Batman:''' ...I can't. I'm sorry.
7th Feb '18 2:12:21 AM Shadowgazer
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* Every single time Squidward from ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' calls [=SpongeBob=] out on his tiresome behavior qualifies as this. The writers expect us to dislike Squidward for not wanting to spend any time with [=SpongeBob=], and it ignores the fact that Spongebob is quite a nuisance to the squid.
27th Nov '17 8:57:17 AM MyLittleXero
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27th Nov '17 8:57:08 AM MyLittleXero
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** When Sasuke is believed to have kidnapped the Eight-Tails Jinchuuriki Killer B and killed him, the entire Shinobi, especially Kumo-nin and the Raikage responds with an instant death sentence on him which objectively and to Naruto's perspective, is meant to be an act of cruelty that will trigger the start of CycleOfRevenge (Apparently, Shikamaru claims that if Sasuke dies, then Konoha will avenge his death and subsequently Kumo will avenge their deaths as well) and in turn war. But the problem is, Sasuke has basically attacked a very important figure of the cloud village and thus, have every right to perceive him as a threat to the Shinobi world if he is not dealt with (It doesn't matter if B turned out to be alive, Sasuke would have still succeeded in kidnapping the Jinchuuriki if it weren't for B's quick wits). Not to mention that despite being a defector from Konoha, Tsunade did not lift a finger in trying to subdue Sasuke in any way besides aiding Naruto in making him return back to the village. Therefore if Tsunade does not handle Sasuke, then A will have no choice but to deal with the Uchiha himself. It doesn't help that when Naruto confronts the Raikage himself, he doesn't seem to care that his ''own freaking brother'' is under "Akatsuki" hands but rather care only about Sasuke and what would happen if they embrace the path of revenge. Unsurprisingly, the Raikage shot him down with an [[StrawmanHasAPoint unintentionally valid point]] that made fans think of Naruto as dim-witted and a fool who still sticks his "friendship" with Sasuke despite attempting to kill him multiple times.

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** When Sasuke is believed to have kidnapped the Eight-Tails Jinchuuriki Killer B and killed him, the entire Shinobi, especially Kumo-nin and the Raikage responds with an instant death sentence on him which objectively and to Naruto's perspective, is meant to be an act of cruelty that will trigger the start of CycleOfRevenge (Apparently, Shikamaru claims that if Sasuke dies, then Konoha will avenge his death and subsequently Kumo will avenge their deaths as well) and in turn war. But the problem is, Sasuke has basically attacked a very important figure of the cloud village and thus, have every right to perceive him as a threat to the Shinobi world if he is not dealt with (It doesn't matter if B turned out to be alive, Sasuke would have still succeeded in kidnapping the Jinchuuriki if it weren't for B's quick wits). Not to mention that despite being a defector from Konoha, Tsunade did not lift a finger in trying to subdue Sasuke in any way besides aiding Naruto in making him return back to the village. Therefore if Tsunade does not handle Sasuke, then A will have no choice but to deal with the Uchiha himself. It doesn't help that when Naruto confronts the Raikage himself, he doesn't seem to care that his ''own freaking brother'' is under "Akatsuki" hands but rather care only about Sasuke and what would happen if they embrace the path of revenge. Unsurprisingly, the Raikage shot him down with an [[StrawmanHasAPoint unintentionally valid point]] that made fans think of Naruto as dim-witted and a fool who still sticks his "friendship" with Sasuke despite attempting to kill him multiple times.
27th Nov '17 8:57:08 AM MyLittleXero
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13th Oct '17 11:22:07 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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--->'''Welkin:''' "Tell me why... why did you have to [[spoiler:shoot her]]?!"
--->'''Faldio:''' "The people... Gallia needed her. Now let me ask you a question: how else do you think we could have won that battle? If not for [[spoiler:Alicia's power]], Gallia would have most certainly lost."
--->'''Welkin:''' "I still can't..."

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--->'''Welkin:''' -->'''Welkin:''' "Tell me why... why did you have to [[spoiler:shoot her]]?!"
--->'''Faldio:''' -->'''Faldio:''' "The people... Gallia needed her. Now let me ask you a question: how else do you think we could have won that battle? If not for [[spoiler:Alicia's power]], Gallia would have most certainly lost."
--->'''Welkin:''' -->'''Welkin:''' "I still can't..."
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