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1st Sep '17 10:25:44 AM nighttrainfm
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** In the pilot, Oliver (who hasn't even donned his costume yet) gets kidnapped by a bunch of masked goons. He proceeds to slip his bonds and kill them all, specifically [[NeckSnap breaking the last one's neck]] so he can't tell anyone how a rich playboy kicked his ass.

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** In the pilot, Oliver (who hasn't even donned his costume yet) gets kidnapped by a bunch of masked goons. He proceeds to slip his bonds and kill them all, specifically [[NeckSnap breaking the last one's neck]] so he can't tell anyone how a rich playboy kicked his ass.has the fighting skills to do all that.
1st Sep '17 8:33:30 AM nighttrainfm
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* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': When the Count returns in Season 2, he catches Felicity investigating his operation, and from her working relationship with Oliver and Oliver posing as a Vertigo buyer the previous season, the Count quickly deduces that Oliver is the Arrow. One hostage situation later, and he's been KilledOffForReal via three arrows to the chest and a [[DisneyVillainDeath multi-story drop]] out of [[DestinationDefenestration a window]].
** Also in "Seeing Red" Moira reveals that she has long known Oliver's secret identity and is impaled by Slade's sword later in the episode. And in the pilot, Oliver kills the guys that kidnapped him because he didn't want them saying anything about how he escaped them.

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* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': ''Series/{{Arrow}}'':
** In the pilot, Oliver (who hasn't even donned his costume yet) gets kidnapped by a bunch of masked goons. He proceeds to slip his bonds and kill them all, specifically [[NeckSnap breaking the last one's neck]] so he can't tell anyone how a rich playboy kicked his ass.
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When the Count returns in Season 2, he catches Felicity investigating his operation, and from her working relationship with Oliver and Oliver posing as a Vertigo buyer the previous season, the Count quickly deduces that Oliver is the Arrow. One hostage situation later, and he's been KilledOffForReal via three arrows to the chest and a [[DisneyVillainDeath multi-story drop]] out of [[DestinationDefenestration a window]].
** Also in "Seeing Red" Moira reveals that she has long known Oliver's secret identity and is impaled by Slade's sword later in the episode. And in the pilot, Oliver kills the guys that kidnapped him because he didn't want them saying anything about how he escaped them.
18th Aug '17 8:25:10 AM Eddy1215
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--->'''ComicBook/ThePhantomStranger:''' Funny how he was standing right under that ceiling that fell.\\

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--->'''ComicBook/ThePhantomStranger:''' Funny how he was Chill just happened to be standing right under that crumbling ceiling that fell.when it came down.\\
14th Aug '17 3:38:49 PM Rubber_Lotus
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*** Joker tries to invoke this trope in the Creator/JohnByrne {{Elseworlds}} ''Generations'', where all of DC's characters age in real-time. By 1975, he's an old man on his deathbed, and asks Batman (now Bruce Wayne, Jr.) to unmask as a final request. Batman cheerfully tells him to go fuck himself.
13th Aug '17 1:09:46 PM Rubber_Lotus
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** Three other villains managed to learn the secret throughout the series, but none of them were so fortunate. [[HiveQueen Madeline Spaulding]] got a lightning bolt to the face that shorted out her telepathy and wiped her memory; [[TimeMaster Speedwarp]] was trapped in a TimeAbyss; and [[{{Technopath}} Omnara]] got short-circuited by a virus.
13th Aug '17 12:52:11 PM Rubber_Lotus
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** Hugo Strange also learns it, and lives. However, Batman sets him up and makes the supervillains he's trying to sell the info to think he's planning to betray them. [[CassandraTruth Consequently, none of them believe him when he tells them the truth]]. Even Strange himself is left [[ThisCannotBe baffled]] when he sees Batman and Bruce Wayne (the latter actually [[IdentityImpersonator Dick Grayson in disguise]]) simultaneously.

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** Hugo Strange also learns it, and lives. However, Batman sets him up and makes the supervillains he's trying to sell the info to think he's planning to betray them. [[CassandraTruth Consequently, none of them believe him when he tells them the truth]]. Even Strange himself is left [[ThisCannotBe baffled]] when he sees Batman and Bruce Wayne (the latter actually [[IdentityImpersonator Dick Grayson in disguise]]) simultaneously.[[note]]However, ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' implies Strange later changed his mind, and helped Amanda Waller deduce Batman's secret identity.[[/note]]
13th Aug '17 12:47:36 PM Rubber_Lotus
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* The first time a (non-Loki) villain learned [[ComicBook/{{Thor}} Thor's]] secret identity[[note]]''Journey Into Mystery'' #95[[/note]] zig-zags this trope. The villain, a MadScientist with a duplication ray, unceremoniously falls to his death by the story's end - but moments before, he'd created a double of himself, who gleefully defies NoOntologicalInertia and survives even after the ray's been smashed. Thor, knowing the ray [[MirrorMoralityMachine reverses the morality]] of any human it duplicates, lets the double live on so his scientific genius can be put to good; no mention is made of whether the double ''also'' knows his secret identity.
10th Aug '17 11:30:06 PM infernape612
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* In the 2004 action film ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' , Syndrome learns not only their real identities, but knows where they all live by the end of the movie. He ends up in [[TurbineBlender a jet turbine]] thanks to [[CapeSnag his flashy cape]] he use for [[HoistByHisOwnPetard theatrically effect]].

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* In the 2004 action film ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' , Syndrome learns not only their real identities, but knows where they all live by the end of the movie. He ends up in [[TurbineBlender a jet turbine]] thanks to [[CapeSnag his flashy cape]] he use uses for [[HoistByHisOwnPetard theatrically theatrical effect]].



* UpToEleven in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. Practically all villains who learn Clark's secret is killed off, thrown into the psycho prison or have their memory wiped. Lex Luthor himself had went through all three.

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* UpToEleven in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. Practically all villains who learn Clark's secret is are killed off, thrown into the psycho prison or have their memory wiped. Lex Luthor himself had went through all three.



* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': When the Count returns in Season 2, he catches Felicity investigating his operation, and from her working relationship with Oliver and Oliver posing as a Vertigo buyer the previous season, the Count quickly deduces that Oliver is the Arrow. One hostage situation later, and he's been KilledOffForReal via three arrows to the chest and a [[DisneyVillainDeath multi-storey drop]] out of [[DestinationDefenestration a window]].

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* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': When the Count returns in Season 2, he catches Felicity investigating his operation, and from her working relationship with Oliver and Oliver posing as a Vertigo buyer the previous season, the Count quickly deduces that Oliver is the Arrow. One hostage situation later, and he's been KilledOffForReal via three arrows to the chest and a [[DisneyVillainDeath multi-storey multi-story drop]] out of [[DestinationDefenestration a window]].



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** ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker''. Joker dies not long after telling Bruce he learned his secret identity after torturing Tim Drake. Twice, technically. This is subverted by Harley Quinn, who learned their identities the same way and seemingly fell to her death shortly afterward. The very last scene of the movie reveals she survived and is [[SingleMindedTwins Dee and Dee's]] grandmother, apparently having quit her life of crime after Joker's died.

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** ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker''. Joker dies not long after telling Bruce he learned his secret identity after torturing Tim Drake. Twice, technically. This is subverted by Harley Quinn, who learned their identities the same way and seemingly fell to her death shortly afterward. The very last scene of the movie reveals she survived and is [[SingleMindedTwins Dee and Dee's]] grandmother, apparently having quit her life of crime after Joker's Joker died.



--->'''ComicBook/ThePhantomStranger:''' Funny how he was standing right under that ceiling that fell.
--->'''ComicBook/TheSpectre:''' [[BlatantLies I wouldn't know]] ''[[BlatantLies anything]]'' [[BlatantLies about that]].

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--->'''ComicBook/ThePhantomStranger:''' Funny how he was standing right under that ceiling that fell.
--->'''ComicBook/TheSpectre:'''
fell.\\
'''ComicBook/TheSpectre:'''
[[BlatantLies I wouldn't know]] ''[[BlatantLies anything]]'' [[BlatantLies about that]].
30th Jun '17 10:34:07 AM Silverblade2
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** Perhaps a reason why SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker has JokerImmunity is that he has had opportunities to learn Batman's secret identity, but for the most part, he does not ''care'' to know. For him, matching wits against Batman is what interests him most and having that air of mystery removed from his nemesis would make him less entertaining a foe.

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** Perhaps a reason why SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker has JokerImmunity is that he has had opportunities to learn Batman's secret identity, but for the most part, he does not ''care'' to know. For him, matching wits against Batman is what interests him most and having that air of mystery removed from his nemesis would make him less entertaining a foe.



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'', shortly after Wrath and Scorn threaten to reveal Bruce's and Dick's secret identities, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker doses them with his Joker Venom because ''he'' wants to be [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou the one who destroys Batman]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'', shortly after Wrath and Scorn threaten to reveal Bruce's and Dick's secret identities, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker doses them with his Joker Venom because ''he'' wants to be [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou the one who destroys Batman]].
24th Jun '17 5:44:54 AM nighttrainfm
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* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'': Double-Subverted. [[spoiler:Scarecrow unmasks Batman on live television. Batman thoroughly crushes Scarecrow's ass. Batman arrests Scarecrow. Batman blows up his house. Batman either (A) takes Batman 2.0 to the next level or (B) fights crime somewhere else]]. It's not actual death, but his life as an upper-class socialite is over.
** Ra's is resurrected by his followers, who vivisected Talia's corpse to harvest the necessary Lazarus Vector. At this point, Batman must choose between indirectly executing Ra's and saving him. Either way, someone who knows about Bruce dies.
* {{Subverted}} and {{Inverted}} in VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight. The Scarecrow lost his mind to his fear toxin shortly after unmasking Batman as Bruce Wayne, reduced into a gibbering wreck unlikely to function anytime soon. But he had the foresight to broadcast the unmasking live on television, and unlike most examples, he successfully pulled it off without a hitch. With everyone (including the surviving members of his RoguesGallery) now knowing Batman's secret identity, Bruce and Alfred are forced to go underground after their work is done, [[FakingTheDead destroying Wayne Manor with them seemly inside]].

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* ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'': Double-Subverted. [[spoiler:Scarecrow unmasks Batman on live television. Batman thoroughly crushes Scarecrow's ass. Batman arrests Scarecrow. Batman blows up his house. Batman either (A) takes Batman 2.0 to the next level or (B) fights crime somewhere else]]. It's not actual death, but his life as an upper-class socialite is over.
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** Ra's is resurrected by his followers, who vivisected Talia's corpse to harvest the necessary Lazarus Vector. At this point, Batman must choose between indirectly executing Ra's and saving him. Either way, someone who knows about Bruce dies.
* {{Subverted}} and {{Inverted}} in VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight.
Played with. The Scarecrow lost his mind to his fear toxin shortly after unmasking Batman as Bruce Wayne, reduced into to a gibbering wreck unlikely to function anytime soon. But he had the foresight to broadcast the unmasking live on television, and unlike most examples, he successfully pulled it off without a hitch. With everyone (including the surviving members of his RoguesGallery) now knowing Batman's secret identity, Bruce and Alfred are forced to go underground after their work is done, [[FakingTheDead destroying Wayne Manor with them seemly inside]].seemingly inside]].
** Averted with Hush, who forces Batman to unmask during his side-quest. Bruce and Lucius Fox simply knock him out and stow him somewhere until the current cris is resolved. As the above example indicates, the finale makes his knowledge a moot point.
** Ra's al Ghul returns, as is his habit, during a DLC mission. Whether he survives ''that'' is down to you.
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