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13th May '18 4:49:11 PM pidget_spinner
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* Phil from ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'' starts out as this.
* Master Shi-Fu in ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda''. He does ''not'' think that Po is the Dragon Warrior and doesn't want him at the Academy, but he puts up with him, tricking Po for a while with TrainingFromHell. Then, he finally starts training him correctly using food as the motivator, and even then it seems a bit cruel. But that's when he (like [[Franchise/{{Rocky}} Mick]]) gets upgraded to CoolOldGuy.
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* Master Shi-Fu in ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda''. He does ''not'' think that Po is the Dragon Warrior and doesn't want him at the Academy, but he puts up with him, tricking Po for a while with TrainingFromHell. Then, he finally starts training him correctly using food as the motivator, and even then it seems a bit cruel. But that's when he (like [[Franchise/{{Rocky}} Mick]]) gets upgraded to CoolOldGuy.



* Phil from ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'' starts out as this.
13th May '18 4:46:20 PM pidget_spinner
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Compare SourSupporter, ZenSurvivor. May result from APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedEvil.

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Compare SourSupporter, ZenSurvivor. May result from APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedEvil.APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil.
13th May '18 4:45:26 PM pidget_spinner
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Compare SourSupporter, ZenSurvivor.

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Compare SourSupporter, ZenSurvivor. May result from APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedEvil.
28th Apr '18 5:06:57 AM theNerdytimes
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* Toph Beifong is this to both [[AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]] [[AvatarTheLastAirbenderAvatarAang Aang]] and his [[SequelSeries successor]] [[LegendOfKorra Avatar]] [[TheLegendOfKorraAvatarKorra Korra]].

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* Toph Beifong is this to both [[AvatarTheLastAirbender [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]] [[AvatarTheLastAirbenderAvatarAang [[Characters/AvatarTheLastAirbenderAvatarAang Aang]] and his [[SequelSeries successor]] [[LegendOfKorra [[WesternAnimation/LegendOfKorra Avatar]] [[TheLegendOfKorraAvatarKorra [[Characters/TheLegendOfKorraAvatarKorra Korra]].
15th Apr '18 5:45:41 AM Morgenthaler
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A cousin to the TricksterMentor and the SinkOrSwimMentor, the CynicalMentor doesn't really care whether TheHero succeeds or fails, and he/she often believes it will be the latter. Unlike the SinkOrSwimMentor, there ''will'' be training, and it's usually TrainingFromHell. This particular brand of mentor uses his cynicism to anger the hero and get him to fight back/harder for what he wants and/or believes in. This mentor helps the hero very, ''very'' grudgingly (most likely because he/she was bored and/or had nothing better to do). Never gives encouragement or compliments, except maybe right before the hero's final test/battle, and even then it might be a longshot.

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A cousin to the TricksterMentor and the SinkOrSwimMentor, the CynicalMentor Cynical Mentor doesn't really care whether TheHero succeeds or fails, and he/she often believes it will be the latter. Unlike the SinkOrSwimMentor, there ''will'' be training, and it's usually TrainingFromHell. This particular brand of mentor uses his cynicism to anger the hero and get him to fight back/harder for what he wants and/or believes in. This mentor helps the hero very, ''very'' grudgingly (most likely because he/she was bored and/or had nothing better to do). Never gives encouragement or compliments, except maybe right before the hero's final test/battle, and even then it might be a longshot.



** Not to mention there was one contestant who mentioned that Ramsay was a totally nice guy outside of the kitchen, so it's pretty likely that the guy is only a CynicalMentor while working in the kitchen.

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** Not to mention there was one contestant who mentioned that Ramsay was a totally nice guy outside of the kitchen, so it's pretty likely that the guy is only a CynicalMentor cynical mentor while working in the kitchen.
22nd Feb '18 4:46:10 PM MJC
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* Toph Beifong is this to both [[Avatar AvatarTheLastAirbender [[AvatarTheLastAirbenderAvatarAang Aang]] and his [[SequelSeries successor]] [[LegendOfKorra Avatar]] [[TheLegendOfKorraAvatarKorra Korra]].

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* Toph Beifong is this to both [[Avatar AvatarTheLastAirbender [[AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]] [[AvatarTheLastAirbenderAvatarAang Aang]] and his [[SequelSeries successor]] [[LegendOfKorra Avatar]] [[TheLegendOfKorraAvatarKorra Korra]].
22nd Feb '18 4:45:32 PM MJC
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* Toph Beifong is this to both [[Avatar AvatarTheLastAirbender [[AvatarTheLastAirbenderAvatarAang Aang]] and his [[SequelSeries successor]] [[LegendOfKorra Avatar]] [[TheLegendOfKorraAvatarKorra Korra]].
17th Feb '18 6:31:49 AM DaibhidC
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** The Great God Om, incarnated as a tortoise in ''Discworld/SmallGods'' is a mentor to Brutha, his only actual believer, while making it quite clear he would much rather his only believer was almost anyone else. Also lampshaded, when Om explains the reason he's cynical is that TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody:

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** The Great God Om, incarnated as a tortoise in ''Discworld/SmallGods'' ''Discworld/SmallGods'', is a mentor to Brutha, his only actual believer, while making it quite clear he would much rather his only believer was almost anyone else. Also lampshaded, when Om explains the reason he's cynical is that TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody:
17th Feb '18 6:30:55 AM DaibhidC
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* Literature/{{Discworld}}'s very own OldMaster AlmightyJanitor, Lu-Tze, who acts as TheMentor to Lobsang in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime''. It is, of course, lampshaded:
-->''Yeah, but I have years of experience and cynicism! You're just talented!''

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* Literature/{{Discworld}}'s Literature/{{Discworld}}'s
** The Disc's
very own OldMaster AlmightyJanitor, Lu-Tze, who acts as TheMentor to Lobsang in ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime''. It is, of course, lampshaded:
-->''Yeah, --->''Yeah, but I have years of experience and cynicism! You're just talented!''talented!''
** The Great God Om, incarnated as a tortoise in ''Discworld/SmallGods'' is a mentor to Brutha, his only actual believer, while making it quite clear he would much rather his only believer was almost anyone else. Also lampshaded, when Om explains the reason he's cynical is that TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody:
--->'''Om''': Tortoises are cynics. They always expect the worst.
--->'''Brutha''': Why?
--->'''Om''': Because it usually happens to them.
16th Feb '18 10:16:57 AM foxmccloud4387
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** Following the decimation of his new Jedi order thanks to [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil one of his most promising disciples accepting the Dark Side of the Force]], Luke Skywalker has become a recluse as of ''Film/TheForceAwakens''. When he is [[spoiler:contacted by an emerging Force-sensitive]] in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', he's none too eager to suddenly begin championing the old ways.

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** Following the decimation of his new Jedi order thanks to [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil one of his most promising disciples accepting the Dark Side of the Force]], Luke Skywalker has become a recluse as of ''Film/TheForceAwakens''. When he is [[spoiler:contacted by an emerging Force-sensitive]] in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', he's none too eager to suddenly begin championing the old ways.ways, and when he starts teaching them about the Force it's only to explain the Jedi's mistakes in understanding it.
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