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17th Dec '17 3:31:18 PM Kadorhal
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four if you include]] ''Yellow'''s Pikachu) and Blue didn't use his. It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''. The Gen II games also have a number of details implying that ''Red, Green and Blue'' (which have the same story) are the canon prequels, rather than ''Yellow'', such as Blue's team being based on his team from those games (minus his starter), the absence of the Summer Beach House (which existed only in ''Yellow'') in Route 19, and the house of the girl who gives the player Bulbasaur in ''Yellow'' being absent, in its place being the house of the man who lives with his wife and trades Pokémon with people in ''R/G/B'' (who had been replaced by the Bulbasaur girl in ''Yellow''). The issue of what Pokémon Red caught regardless of version was avoided by rounding out his team with a Snorlax (a forced encounter, as two of them were blocking the routes to Fuchsia City) and either an Espeon (evolved from the Eevee found at the Celadon Mansion - although this does confirm Red never used an evolutionary stone on that Eevee) in the original games or a Lapras (a gift from one of the Silph Co. employees during Team Rocket's takeover) in the remakes and in later appearances.

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** Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four four]] if you include]] include ''Yellow'''s Pikachu) and Blue didn't use his.his (having Arcanine, Gyarados and Exeggutor on his team all at once, where in ''Red'' and ''Blue'' his starter would replace whichever one shared the same type). It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''. The Gen II games also have a number of details implying that ''Red, Green and Blue'' (which have the same story) are the canon prequels, predecessors, rather than ''Yellow'', such as Blue's team being based on his team from those games (minus his starter), the absence of the Summer Beach House (which existed only in ''Yellow'') in Route 19, and the house of the girl who gives the player Bulbasaur in ''Yellow'' being absent, in its place being the house of the man who lives with his wife and trades Pokémon with people in ''R/G/B'' (who had been still being present rather than replaced by the girl who gives you Bulbasaur girl in ''Yellow''). ''Yellow''. The issue of what Pokémon Red caught regardless of version was avoided by rounding out his team with a Snorlax (a forced encounter, as two of them were blocking the routes to Fuchsia City) and either an Espeon (evolved from the Eevee found at the Celadon Mansion - although this does confirm Red never used an evolutionary stone on that Eevee) Eevee[[note]]and also maybe that the lack of nighttime in the original games [[MythologyGag was canon as well]][[/note]]) in the original games or a Lapras (a gift from one of the Silph Co. employees during Team Rocket's takeover) in the remakes and in later appearances.



** Subverted with the protagonist of ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver GSC/HGSS]]''. The ending to ''VideoGame/PokemonStadium 2'' shows Kris versus Silver, which implies the female protagonist is canon. However, the ''Stadium'' games haven't been deemed canon and thus its unknown if the canonical Johto protagonist is Ethan or Lyra (who replaced Kris in the remakes).

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** Subverted with the protagonist of ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver GSC/HGSS]]''. The ending to ''VideoGame/PokemonStadium 2'' shows Kris versus Silver, which implies the female protagonist is canon. However, the ''Stadium'' games haven't been deemed canon and thus its it's unknown if the canonical Johto protagonist is Ethan or Lyra (who replaced Kris in the remakes).



** Averted with ''VideoGame/StarFoxCommand''. Despite the game having 9 different endings, including two arguably [[GoldenEnding good ones]] (one where the {{Status Quo|IsGod}} is more or less restored with some newcomers to the team, and one where Fox and Krystal have [[HeroicLineage a son named Marcus]] who creates a new younger team), Miyamoto and Nintendo decided to "plant a new tree" and to [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] once again the [[VideoGame/StarFox franchise]] with ''VideoGame/StarFoxZero'', leaving the end of the old timeline undefined. This decision was somewhat of [[BrokenBase a base-breaker]] (''Command'' itself being one) and fans are split between those who hated the game and its plot are are glad that it was [[CanonDiscontinuity discontinued]] and those who would have liked to see more of Dash and Amanda, or even of Marcus' team.

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** Averted with ''VideoGame/StarFoxCommand''. Despite the game having 9 different endings, including two arguably [[GoldenEnding good ones]] (one where the {{Status Quo|IsGod}} is more or less restored with some newcomers to the team, and one where Fox and Krystal have [[HeroicLineage a son named Marcus]] who creates a new new, younger team), Miyamoto and Nintendo decided to "plant a new tree" and to [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] once again the [[VideoGame/StarFox franchise]] franchise with ''VideoGame/StarFoxZero'', leaving the end of the old timeline undefined. This decision was somewhat of [[BrokenBase a base-breaker]] (''Command'' itself being one) and fans are split between those who hated the game and its plot are are glad that it was [[CanonDiscontinuity discontinued]] and those who would have liked to see more of Dash and Amanda, or even of Marcus' team.



* ''[[VideoGame/{{ARMA}} Arma 2: Private Military Company]]'' could end with the player character either [[spoiler:honoring the original contract with the UN weapons inspectors]] or [[spoiler:[[FalseFlagOperation gunning them down under the guise of a guerrilla ambush]]]], with the circumstances of ''VideoGame/TakeOnHelicopters'' [[spoiler:with the former player character now a minor NPC antagonist to the new player characters]] strongly suggesting the latter.

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* ''[[VideoGame/{{ARMA}} Arma 2: Private Military Company]]'' could end with the player character either [[spoiler:honoring the original contract with the UN weapons inspectors]] or [[spoiler:[[FalseFlagOperation gunning [[spoiler:gunning them down [[FalseFlagOperation under the guise of a guerrilla ambush]]]], with the circumstances of ''VideoGame/TakeOnHelicopters'' [[spoiler:with the former player character now a minor NPC antagonist to the new player characters]] strongly suggesting the latter.



** The Clan Wars quest line in Borderlands 2'' has the Vault Hunters help one of two families, the Hodunks and the Zafords, in their path to becoming the stronger family. In ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'', both Tector and Jimbo Hodunk are shown on-screen, making it clear that they're the family that "wins" the clan wars. One hopes the Vault Hunters weren't kicking themselves ''too'' much when they attempted [[HarderThanHard Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode]] without a Slagga.
* ''VideoGame/CondemnedCriminalOrigins'' has a LastSecondEndingChoice, with Serial Killer X tied up in the trunk of a car and Ethan holding a gun to him. Both choices [[MortonsFork are more or less the same]] -- either Ethan shoots SKX, or he decides not to, at which point SKX breaks free from his restraints, pulls his own gun, then [[AteHisGun shoots himself]]. Ethan is coy about it in ''VideoGame/Condemned2Bloodshot'', only noting that "half his face lined the inside of a trunk" rather than noting ''how'' that happened when the subject comes up, but when SKX returns late in the game, he makes comments indicating that Ethan did indeed shoot him (or at least he blames Ethan for what happened to him).

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** The Clan Wars quest line in Borderlands ''Borderlands 2'' has the Vault Hunters help one of two families, the Hodunks and the Zafords, in their path to becoming the stronger family. In ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'', both Tector and Jimbo Hodunk are shown on-screen, making it clear that they're the family that "wins" the clan wars. One hopes the Vault Hunters weren't kicking themselves ''too'' much when they attempted [[HarderThanHard Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode]] without a Slagga.
* ''VideoGame/CondemnedCriminalOrigins'' has a LastSecondEndingChoice, with Serial Killer X tied up in the trunk of a car and Ethan holding a gun to him. Both choices [[MortonsFork are more or less the same]] -- either Ethan shoots SKX, or he decides not to, at which point SKX breaks free from his restraints, pulls his own gun, then [[AteHisGun shoots himself]]. Ethan is coy about it in ''VideoGame/Condemned2Bloodshot'', only noting that "half his face lined the inside of a trunk" rather than noting ''how'' that happened when the subject comes up, but when SKX returns late in the game, he makes comments indicating that Ethan did indeed shoot him (or at least he blames Ethan for what happened to him).



* ''VideoGame/MetroLastLight'' follows from the "bad" ending of ''VideoGame/{{Metro 2033}}'', as this was the version of the ending that occurred in the original novel. From background dialogue, it's suggested that Arytom went [[Franchise/MassEffect Renegade rather than Paragon]] at least a few times (i.e. OneManArmy killing his way through the Reds and Nazis soldiers on the Bridge rather than stealthing his way past on a PacifistRun), though there's no indication he was a pure Renegade asshole and his thoughtful and introspective narrative throughout the game tends to suggest against it.

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* ''VideoGame/MetroLastLight'' follows from the "bad" ending of ''VideoGame/{{Metro 2033}}'', as this was the version of the ending that occurred in the original novel. From background dialogue, it's suggested that Arytom went [[Franchise/MassEffect Renegade rather than Paragon]] at least a few times (i.e. OneManArmy killing his way through the Reds and Nazis soldiers on the Bridge rather than stealthing his way past on a PacifistRun), though there's no indication he was purely a pure Renegade bloodthirsty asshole either, and his thoughtful and introspective narrative throughout the game tends to suggest against it.



* ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament'' generally allows you to play the single-player mode as whatever character you want to, but for sequels they obviously had to decide on one winner - Malcolm won 2293's tournament in the original game, and then Gorge dethroned him in 2302 in ''[=UT2003=]''. Strangely, no winner has been explicitly declared for the 2303 tournament from ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament2004'', despite ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament3'' taking place in the off-season immediately after that tournament and still featuring a character who competed in it.

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* ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament'' generally allows you to play the single-player mode as whatever character you want to, but for sequels they obviously had to decide on one winner - Malcolm won 2293's tournament in the original game, and then Gorge dethroned him in 2302 in ''[=UT2003=]''. Strangely, no winner has been explicitly declared for the 2303 tournament from ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament2004'', despite ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament3'' taking place in the off-season immediately after that tournament and still featuring a character who competed in it.it, as well as ''VideoGame/UnrealChampionship2TheLiandriConflict'' taking place in the next Tournament.



* ''VideoGame/ManiacMansion'' encourages replays by giving each of the six possible partners different skills to defeat the [[spoiler:purple meteor mind-controlling Dr. Fred]], then making you start the game by picking just two of them. ''VideoGame/DayOfTheTentacle'' stars one of these partners, Bernard, and not only confirms he canonically was one of the three in Dave's rescue party, but includes several references to optional events that only Syd or Razor could have completed.[[note]]Since Syd and Razor have the ''exact same'' set of abilities, there's no possible way to distinguish further except by outright naming one of them as canonical, which does ''not'' happen (although, it was planned to include Razor as a playable character, which might hint at her being the canonical 3rd partner after Dave and Bernard).[[/note]]

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* ''VideoGame/ManiacMansion'' encourages replays by giving each of the six possible partners different skills to defeat the [[spoiler:purple meteor mind-controlling Dr. Fred]], then making you start the game by picking just two of them. ''VideoGame/DayOfTheTentacle'' stars one of these partners, Bernard, and not only confirms he canonically was one of the three in Dave's rescue party, but includes several references to optional events that only Syd or Razor could have completed.[[note]]Since Syd and Razor have the ''exact same'' set of abilities, there's no possible way to distinguish further except by outright naming one of them as canonical, which does ''not'' not happen (although, - although, it was planned to include Razor as a playable character, which might hint at her being the canonical 3rd partner after Dave and Bernard).Bernard.[[/note]]



* Most sequels in the oldest ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' games assume the good guys won the previous installment. But starting with the ''Firestorm'' expansion for ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianSun'', Westwood started writing stories with more tightly-woven, complementary campaigns[[note]]In earlier games, while there are few direct contradictions between early- to mid-game missions from either faction, there are next to no direct references to them happening if you're not playing as that faction either; in ''Firestorm'', they went as far as to have both factions have the same ending mission, just from different sides of the same larger map.[[/note]] so that, while the good guys still usually end up winning, there are no non-canon storylines.

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* Most sequels in the oldest ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' games assume the good guys won the previous installment. But starting with the ''Firestorm'' expansion for ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianSun'', Westwood started writing stories with more tightly-woven, complementary campaigns[[note]]In earlier games, while there are few direct contradictions between early- to mid-game missions from either faction, there are next to no direct references to them happening if you're not playing as that faction either; either, such as the [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianDawn original game]] having nothing the GDI player does in Europe affecting the Nod player in Africa or vice-versa; ''Tiberian Sun'' went on to hit several of the same plot beats regardless of side, with your choice only affecting how they played out, and in ''Firestorm'', they went as far as to have both factions have the same ending mission, just from different sides of the same larger map.[[/note]] so that, while the good guys still usually end up winning, there are no non-canon storylines.



* WordOfGod about ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' essentially canonized ''VideoGame/XCOMEnemyUnknown''[='=]s "''Game Over''" ending. In fact, according to this timeline, the titular organization lost pretty quickly, without even being able to get their hands on the coolest alien toys (e.g. plasma weapons, Meld, elerium).

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* WordOfGod about ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' essentially canonized ''VideoGame/XCOMEnemyUnknown''[='=]s "''Game Over''" ending. In fact, according to this timeline, the titular organization XCOM apparently lost pretty quickly, without even being able to get their hands on the coolest alien toys (e.g. plasma weapons, Meld, elerium).
17th Dec '17 12:33:12 PM Kadorhal
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* Most sequels in the oldest ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' games assume the good guys won the previous installment. But starting with the ''Firestorm'' expansion for ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianSun'', Westwood started writing stories with more tightly-woven, complementary campaigns[[note]]In earlier games, while there are few direct contradictions between early- to mid-game missions from either faction, there are next to no direct references to them happening if you're not playing as that faction either; in ''Firestorm'', they went as far as to have both factions have the same ending mission, just from different sides of the same larger map.[[/note]] so that there are no non-canon storylines.

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* Most sequels in the oldest ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' games assume the good guys won the previous installment. But starting with the ''Firestorm'' expansion for ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianSun'', Westwood started writing stories with more tightly-woven, complementary campaigns[[note]]In earlier games, while there are few direct contradictions between early- to mid-game missions from either faction, there are next to no direct references to them happening if you're not playing as that faction either; in ''Firestorm'', they went as far as to have both factions have the same ending mission, just from different sides of the same larger map.[[/note]] so that that, while the good guys still usually end up winning, there are no non-canon storylines.
2nd Dec '17 10:44:42 AM FGHIK
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** Notably, "The Passing" came out a full year before "The Sacrifice", making Bill's death a {{foregone conclusion}}. Interestingly, the reason why he's dead in the former was just due to his voice actor being unavailable during its production.

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** Notably, "The Passing" came out a full year before "The Sacrifice", making Bill's death a {{foregone conclusion}}. Interestingly, the reason why he's dead in the former was [[RealLifeWritesThePlot just due to his voice actor being unavailable unavailable]] during its production.
1st Dec '17 12:36:13 PM X2X
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** In ''Persona 4'', acquiring the Ultimate Persona for the members of the Investigation Team is optional, and UpdatedRerelease ''Persona 4: Golden'' gives the party brand new third-tier Persona; subsequently, ''Arena'' features the Investigation Team with their default Persona.
*** This one is actually a little odd, because the game makes numerous references to events that happened at the end of their social links, implying they were canonical[[note]] You have to complete each of the team's respective social links in order to obtain their ultimate Persona[[/note]]. For example: [[TheHero Yu's]][[note]] The [[SuddenlyVoiced previously]] [[HelloInsertNameHere Silent P4 Protagonist]], now called Yu Narukami[[/note]] win quote against Yosuke (verses mode only) alludes to the fistfight they had at the end of the "Magician" social link. Even more confusingly, ''VideoGame/Persona4DancingAllNight'' has Yu using his default Persona, Izanagi, for most of the game, then [[spoiler:switching to its ultimate evolved Izanagi-no-Okami for the final boss for no reason other than the fact it's cooler. Presumably the rest of the team's Personas operate under the same principle?]] In addition, Teddie's social link is a mandatory one and his Ultimate Persona is not optional.

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** In ''Persona 4'', ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', acquiring the Ultimate Persona for the members of the Investigation Team is optional, and UpdatedRerelease ''Persona 4: 4 Golden'' gives the party brand new third-tier Persona; subsequently, ''Arena'' features the Investigation Team with their default Persona.
*** This one is actually a little odd, because the game makes numerous references to events that happened at the end of their social links, Social Links, implying they were canonical[[note]] You canonical. [[note]]You have to complete each of the team's respective social links Social Links in order to obtain their ultimate Persona[[/note]]. Ultimate Persona.[[/note]] For example: example, [[TheHero Yu's]][[note]] The Yu's]] [[note]]the [[SuddenlyVoiced previously]] previously silent]] [[HelloInsertNameHere Silent P4 Protagonist]], protagonist]], [[CanonName now called Yu Narukami[[/note]] Narukami]][[/note]] win quote against Yosuke (verses mode (Versus Mode only) alludes to the fistfight they had at the end of the "Magician" social link. Magician Social Link. Even more confusingly, ''VideoGame/Persona4DancingAllNight'' has Yu using his default Persona, Izanagi, for most of the game, then [[spoiler:switching to its ultimate evolved evolution Izanagi-no-Okami for the final boss for no reason other than the fact [[RuleOfCool it's cooler. cooler]]. Presumably the rest of the team's Personas operate under the same principle?]] In addition, Teddie's social link Social Link is a mandatory one and his Ultimate Persona is not optional.



*** ''Ultimax'' makes ''[[UpdatedRerelease Golden]]'''s GoldenEnding [[labelnote:*]]identical to the True Ending, but with an extended epilogue sequence at the end[[/labelnote]] canon, by [[spoiler:showing Marie to be alive. The individual character endings lead the Investigation Team to their characterizations during the above mentioned ending.]]
** The Protagonists in ''Persona 3'' & ''Persona 4'' are able to date a number of different girls over the course of the game; ''Arena'' makes no explicit reference to any of the possible pairings, but [[ShipTease does hint at]] [[spoiler:Naoto]]'s romantic Social Link.
** ''Persona 3 Portable'' added an optional female protagonist in place of the male protagonist in the initial game; ''Arena'' explicitly refers to the male protagonist.

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*** ''Ultimax'' ''[[VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax Ultimax]]'' makes ''[[UpdatedRerelease Golden]]'''s GoldenEnding [[labelnote:*]]identical to the True Ending, but with an extended epilogue sequence at the end[[/labelnote]] canon, by [[spoiler:showing Marie to be alive. The individual character endings lead the Investigation Team to their characterizations during the above mentioned ending.]]
** The Protagonists protagonists in ''Persona 3'' & ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''Persona 4'' are able to date a number of different girls over the course of the game; ''Arena'' makes no explicit reference to any of the possible pairings, but [[ShipTease does hint at]] [[spoiler:Naoto]]'s romantic Social Link.
** ''Persona 3 Portable'' added an optional female protagonist in place of the male protagonist in the initial game; ''Arena'' explicitly refers to the male protagonist. On the other hand, ''Ultimax'' [[MergingTheBranches goes the opposite direction]] by canonizing Theodore, the Velvet Room attendant exclusive to ''Portable'' who could replace his sister Elizabeth in the female protagonist's route.



* In ''Videogame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', it is stated that Mordecai was the canonical champion of the Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot DLC of the first game.
** The Clan Wars quest line in ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'' has the Vault Hunters help one of two families, the Hodunks and the Zafords, in their path to becoming the stronger family. In ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'', both Tector and Jimbo Hodunk are shown on-screen, making it clear that they're the family that "wins" the clan wars. One hopes the Vault Hunters weren't kicking themselves ''too'' much when they attempted [[HarderThanHard Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode]] without a Slagga.
* ''VideoGame/CondemnedCriminalOrigins'' has a LastSecondEndingChoice, with Serial Killer X tied up in the trunk of a car and Ethan holding a gun to him. Both choices [[MortonsFork are more or less the same]] - either Ethan shoots SKX, or he decides not to, at which point SKX breaks free from his restraints, pulls his own gun, then [[AteHisGun shoots himself]]. Ethan is coy about it in ''VideoGame/Condemned2Bloodshot'', only noting that "half his face lined the inside of a trunk" rather than noting ''how'' that happened when the subject comes up, but when SKX returns late in the game, he makes comments indicating that Ethan did indeed shoot him (or at least he blames Ethan for what happened to him).

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* In ''Videogame/{{Borderlands ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'', it is stated that Mordecai was the canonical champion of the Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot DLC of the first game.
** The Clan Wars quest line in ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'' Borderlands 2'' has the Vault Hunters help one of two families, the Hodunks and the Zafords, in their path to becoming the stronger family. In ''VideoGame/TalesFromTheBorderlands'', both Tector and Jimbo Hodunk are shown on-screen, making it clear that they're the family that "wins" the clan wars. One hopes the Vault Hunters weren't kicking themselves ''too'' much when they attempted [[HarderThanHard Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode]] without a Slagga.
* ''VideoGame/CondemnedCriminalOrigins'' has a LastSecondEndingChoice, with Serial Killer X tied up in the trunk of a car and Ethan holding a gun to him. Both choices [[MortonsFork are more or less the same]] - -- either Ethan shoots SKX, or he decides not to, at which point SKX breaks free from his restraints, pulls his own gun, then [[AteHisGun shoots himself]]. Ethan is coy about it in ''VideoGame/Condemned2Bloodshot'', only noting that "half his face lined the inside of a trunk" rather than noting ''how'' that happened when the subject comes up, but when SKX returns late in the game, he makes comments indicating that Ethan did indeed shoot him (or at least he blames Ethan for what happened to him).



* In ''Videogame/IMissTheSunrise'' there are two possible endings, but only the optimist ending allows the events of ''Videogame/TheReconstruction'' to happen, [[ForegoneConclusion meaning that the pessimist ending cannot be canon]].

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* In ''Videogame/IMissTheSunrise'' there are two possible endings, but only the optimist ending allows the events of ''Videogame/TheReconstruction'' ''VideoGame/TheReconstruction'' to happen, [[ForegoneConclusion meaning that the pessimist ending cannot be canon]].



* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' operates as if (obviously) [[spoiler:[[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt The Fall]] had been prevented in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'']].
* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' had three endings. The sequel takes place under the premise of the Neutral ending having occurred.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' handled this weirdly - all three paths had similar endings, and regardless of events [[GodIsEvil everyone turns against God.]]
** According to [[http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4373 some fans]] and the fanbook for ''VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy'', there are three different main timelines to the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' multiverse, and each branch assumes you got a different ending in ''VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsKingAbaddon''

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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' operates as if (obviously) [[spoiler:[[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt The Fall]] had been prevented in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'']].
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''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' had three endings. The sequel takes place under the premise of the Neutral ending having occurred.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' handled this weirdly - -- all three paths had similar endings, and regardless of events [[GodIsEvil everyone turns against God.]]
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** According to [[http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4373 some fans]] and the fanbook for ''VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy'', there are [[AlternateTimeline three different main timelines timelines]] to the ''Shin Megami Tensei'' multiverse, and each branch assumes you got a different ending in ''VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsKingAbaddon''''VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsKingAbaddon''.



* The anime based on ''VideoGame/StarOceanTheSecondStory'', ''Star Ocean EX'', merged pretty much all the story of the first part of the game, changing it to make it all possible to happen together. For instance, they just encounter and recruit Ashton, instead of having to backtrack or miss him. Later on they meet Opera and Ernest, which doesn't happen if you recruit Ashton. The gaiden sequel, plus the [[VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime third main game]]'s manual confirm that every possible party member was canonically recruited.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' brought RelationshipValues to the series. It also made it into the MassiveMultiplayerCrossover tactical-RPG ''Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 3'', which lets the player set up custom parties of ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' characters and awards parties bonus titles for certain team-ups. One of these titles is "Love-Love?", which goes to canon couples, such as Cless/Mint and Chester/Arche from ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'', Rid/Farah and Keele/Meredy from ''VideoGame/TalesOfEternia'', and Lloyd/Colette from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Ironically, the sequel actually allows you to ''avert'' this particular cone, with an optional cutscene that the player can choose to follow whichever relationship choice they want.
** The [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld sequel]] to Symphonia also averts this by letting the player choose which relationship was "canon" in the previous game, in a bonus cutscene with one exception playing the trope straight: the Kratos alternate storyline for Symphonia cannot be made canon in VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld since [[spoiler: Zelos is alive in the sequel, and choosing Kratos in Symphonia required to kill him]].
* The ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' sequels (most strikingly ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'', due to its CharacterFocus) all assume Vincent and Yuffie joined the party, even though they don't have to in order to beat the game.

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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona'':
** ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' operates as if (obviously) [[spoiler:[[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt The Fall]] had been prevented in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'']].
** Similar to ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'' and [[VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax its sequel]], ''VideoGame/PersonaQShadowOfTheLabyrinth'' establishes that the female protagonist route of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Portable'' didn't happen, as only the male protagonist is present. However, both Velvet Room attendants appear and the male protagonist seems to already be acquainted with Theodore (despite Theo apparently having been in one of the Velvet Room's backrooms for the entirety of ''P3''), suggesting Elizabeth ''and'' Theo served as Igor's assistants during that time -- something that cannot happen in either the original game or ''Portable''.
* The anime based on ''VideoGame/StarOceanTheSecondStory'', ''Star Ocean EX'', merged pretty much all the story of the first part of the game, changing it to make it all possible to happen together. For instance, they just encounter and recruit Ashton, instead of having to backtrack or miss him. Later on they meet Opera and Ernest, which doesn't happen if you recruit Ashton. The gaiden sequel, plus the [[VideoGame/StarOceanTillTheEndOfTime third main game]]'s manual manual, confirm that every possible party member was canonically recruited.
* ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' brought RelationshipValues to the series. It also made it into the MassiveMultiplayerCrossover tactical-RPG ''Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 3'', which lets the player set up custom parties of ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' ''VideoGame/{{Tales|Series}}'' characters and awards parties bonus titles for certain team-ups. One of these titles is "Love-Love?", which goes to canon couples, such as Cless/Mint and Chester/Arche from ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'', Rid/Farah and Keele/Meredy from ''VideoGame/TalesOfEternia'', and Lloyd/Colette from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Ironically, the sequel actually allows you to ''avert'' this particular cone, with an optional cutscene that the player can choose to follow whichever relationship choice they want.
** The [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld sequel]] to Symphonia ''Symphonia'' also averts this by letting the player choose which relationship was "canon" in the previous game, in a bonus cutscene -- with one exception playing the trope straight: the Kratos alternate storyline for Symphonia ''Symphonia'' cannot be made canon in VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld ''Dawn of the New World'' since [[spoiler: Zelos [[spoiler:Zelos is alive in the sequel, sequel and choosing Kratos in Symphonia ''Symphonia'' required you to kill him]].
* The ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' sequels (most strikingly ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'', due to its CharacterFocus) all assume Vincent and Yuffie joined the party, [[OptionalPartyMember even though they don't have to in order to beat the game.game]].
28th Nov '17 7:55:27 AM IAmNewBillTell
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* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog''

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' avoids many specifics by taking place in the area just north of the one where ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' did, and the Vault Dweller's diary that serves as the intro story to the ''Fallout 2'' manual is somewhat vague at certain key plot points (i.e. whether you sided with Killian or Gizmo, saved Necropolis, [[spoiler:or shot the overseer]]), but from what you do learn it seems that canonically the Vault Dweller was a generally heroic figure (i.e. saving Tandi and Shady Sands, which would eventually become the New California Republic). The diary also mentions that party members Dogmeat and Ian died during the course of the adventure, although this is quite likely LampshadeHanging of first game's [[ArtificialStupidity sub-par companion A.I.]] - Dogmeat specifically is mentioned to be incinerated by a force field in the Mariposa military base, which is guaranteed to happen assuming you have him at the party by then and can't pass numerous skill checks to disable the fields for good. Finally, from the appearance of [[spoiler:the massive statue of the Vault Dweller in the NCR square]], it shows that the vault dweller was male.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'':
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''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' avoids many specifics by taking place in the area just north of the one where ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' did, and the Vault Dweller's diary that serves as the intro story to the ''Fallout 2'' manual is somewhat vague at certain key plot points (i.e. whether you sided with Killian or Gizmo, saved Necropolis, [[spoiler:or shot the overseer]]), but from what you do learn it seems that canonically the Vault Dweller was a generally heroic figure (i.e. saving Tandi and Shady Sands, which would eventually become the New California Republic). The diary also mentions that party members Dogmeat and Ian died during the course of the adventure, although this is quite likely LampshadeHanging of first game's [[ArtificialStupidity sub-par companion A.I.]] - Dogmeat specifically is mentioned to be incinerated by a force field in the Mariposa military base, which is guaranteed to happen assuming you have him at the party by then and can't pass numerous skill checks to disable the fields for good. Finally, from the appearance of [[spoiler:the massive statue of the Vault Dweller in the NCR square]], it shows that the vault dweller was male.



* ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'' - Averted in the first game. Depending on which character the player uses (Chris Redfield or Jill Valentine), only three S.T.A.R.S. members escape from the mansion together in the best possible ending. While Barry disappears after the opening intro in Chris's storyline and Rebecca is nowhere to be seen in Jill's, the sequels assume that all four characters survived the events of the Mansion Incident.
** ''Resident Evil 2'' has two story paths depending on the order in which the player plays through both protagonists' storylines. ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil6'' follows the storyline from the Claire A/Leon B scenario, since it establishes that Sherry Birkin was injected with the G-virus vaccine, which never occurs in the Leon A/Claire B storyline.
** ''Resident Evil 3'' has two possible endings; one where Jill and Carlos escape by themselves after Nicolai gets killed by the Nemesis, and another ending where Jill and Carlos escape with Barry's help after Nicolai steals their escape chopper. In the latter ending, the player can still kill Nicolai when he tries to escape by blowing up his chopper, but the actual outcome doesn't change significantly. However, Nicolai's survival is referenced in ''Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles'', a spinoff game released almost decade later.

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Averted in the first game.original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'' . Depending on which character the player uses (Chris Redfield or Jill Valentine), only three S.T.A.R.S. members escape from the mansion together in the best possible ending. While Barry disappears after the opening intro in Chris's storyline and Rebecca is nowhere to be seen in Jill's, the sequels assume that all four characters survived the events of the Mansion Incident.
** ''Resident Evil 2'' ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil2'' has two story paths depending on the order in which the player plays through both protagonists' storylines. ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil6'' follows the storyline from the Claire A/Leon B scenario, since it establishes that Sherry Birkin was injected with the G-virus vaccine, which never occurs in the Leon A/Claire B storyline.
** ''Resident Evil 3'' ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil3Nemesis'' has two possible endings; one where Jill and Carlos escape by themselves after Nicolai gets killed by the Nemesis, and another ending where Jill and Carlos escape with Barry's help after Nicolai steals their escape chopper. In the latter ending, the player can still kill Nicolai when he tries to escape by blowing up his chopper, but the actual outcome doesn't change significantly. However, Nicolai's survival is referenced in ''Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles'', a spinoff game released almost decade later.
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** Interestingly, the ''Enter the Dominatrix'' DLC, originally intended for ''the Third'' but eventually released for ''IV'', uses elements of ''both'' endings: Pierce is mayor of Steelport, implying that the previous mayor died in the Bad Ending, but Shaundi is still alive a la the Good Ending. [[AnimatedActors The characters]] {{lampshade}} this during the DLC's [[DVDCommentary running commentary]] as evidence of how nonsensical/stupid the plot is.
28th Sep '17 5:08:12 PM SpinAttaxx
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four if you include]] ''Yellow'''s Pikachu) and Blue didn't use his. It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''. The Gen II games also have a number of details implying that ''Red, Green and Blue'' (which have the same story) are the canon prequels, rather than ''Yellow'', such as Blue's team being based on his team from those games (minus his starter), the absence of the Summer Beach House (which existed only in ''Yellow'') in Route 19, and the house of the girl who gives the player Bulbasaur in ''Yellow'' being absent, in its place being the house of the man who lives with his wife and trades Pokémon with people in ''R/G/B'' (who had been replaced by the Bulbasaur girl in ''Yellow''). The issue of what Pokémon Red caught regardless of version, was avoided by rounding out his team with a Snorlax (a forced encounter, as two of them were blocking the routes to Fuchsia City) and either an Espeon (evolved from the Eevee found at the Celadon Mansion - although this does confirm Red never used an evolutionary stone on that Eevee) in the original games or a Lapras (a gift from one of the Silph Co. employees during Team Rocket's takeover) in the remakes and later.

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** Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four if you include]] ''Yellow'''s Pikachu) and Blue didn't use his. It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''. The Gen II games also have a number of details implying that ''Red, Green and Blue'' (which have the same story) are the canon prequels, rather than ''Yellow'', such as Blue's team being based on his team from those games (minus his starter), the absence of the Summer Beach House (which existed only in ''Yellow'') in Route 19, and the house of the girl who gives the player Bulbasaur in ''Yellow'' being absent, in its place being the house of the man who lives with his wife and trades Pokémon with people in ''R/G/B'' (who had been replaced by the Bulbasaur girl in ''Yellow''). The issue of what Pokémon Red caught regardless of version, version was avoided by rounding out his team with a Snorlax (a forced encounter, as two of them were blocking the routes to Fuchsia City) and either an Espeon (evolved from the Eevee found at the Celadon Mansion - although this does confirm Red never used an evolutionary stone on that Eevee) in the original games or a Lapras (a gift from one of the Silph Co. employees during Team Rocket's takeover) in the remakes and later.in later appearances.



** ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' does it as well. In ''Black & White'' you can catch Kyurem, but in the sequels it was caught by Team Plasma instead. Since the Musketeer Trio are still around in the sequels, catching them in the first game is also non-canon. Liberty Garden is only accessible in the first games by event, and it serves as the place where you catch Victini. In ''[=B2/W2=]'', you can visit the island without the event, and Victini is missing. The implication is that the event is canon, and the previous protagonists caught Victini before the events of the sequel.


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** Many legendaries make reappearances in games set later on in the timeline (or in ''Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire'', earlier!), so their encounters past their debut games would (assuming they're SingleSpecimenSpecies) either infer they [[CanonDiscontinuity don't really happen]], or they weren't originally caught in their original appearances.
*** Mewtwo appears in Cerulean Cave in Gen I and its remakes, remains there in ''[=HG/SS=]'', then appears in Kalos in ''X/Y'', suggesting it has never canonically been caught. This is particularly notable since Mewtwo, [[ArtificialHuman as a manmade creation]], is ''unquestionably'' one of a kind.[[labelnote:*]]Disregarding [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened certain continuities]] which [[FanonDiscontinuity most don't talk about]].[[/labelnote]]
*** ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' does it as well. In ''Black & White'' you can catch Kyurem, but in the sequels it was caught by Team Plasma instead. Since the Musketeer Trio are still around in the sequels, catching them in the first game is also non-canon. Liberty Garden is only accessible in the first games by event, and it serves as the place where you catch Victini. In ''[=B2/W2=]'', you can visit the island without the event, and Victini is missing. The implication is that the event is canon, and the previous protagonists caught Victini before the events of the sequel.
*** Zygarde appears in ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' as a BonusBoss, much like Kyurem did. However, it not only appears in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'', but Dexio outright confirms it's the same Zygarde from Kalos, having travelled all the way to Alola. Naturally, it'd be hard to do so from the confines of a Poké Ball, so it's likely the encounter with it in ''X/Y'' didn't end with the player capturing it.
14th Sep '17 5:52:14 PM Pichu-kun
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* The third ''VideoGame/YokaiWatch'' game doesn't include the female playable character of the previous game, Katie, as a playable character. This cements Nate as the canon protagonist of the series. Instead of Katie, Inaho is playable alongside Nate. The third version ''Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki'' made Katie playable again [[spoiler:and even gave her a {{youkai}} form like Nate]].

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* The third ''VideoGame/YokaiWatch'' game doesn't include the female playable character of the previous game, Katie, as a playable character. This cements Nate as the canon protagonist of the series. Instead of Katie, Inaho is playable alongside Nate. The third version ''Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki'' made Katie playable again [[spoiler:and even gave her a {{youkai}} form like Nate]].Nate]] but only in a select portion of the game. Otherwise, Nate is still the protagonist in ''Sukiyaki''.
14th Sep '17 5:48:17 PM Pichu-kun
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four if you include Yellow's Pikachu]]) and Blue didn't use his. It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''. The Gen II games also have a number of details implying that Red, Green and Blue (which have the same story) are the canon prequels, rather than Yellow, such as Blue's team being based on his team from those games (minus his starter), the absence of the Summer Beach House (which existed only in Yellow) in Route 19, and the house of the girl who gives the player Bulbasaur in Yellow being absent, in its place being the house of the man who lives with his wife and trades Pokémon with people in R/G/B (who had been replaced by the Bulbasaur girl in Yellow). The issue of what Pokémon Red caught regardless of version, was avoided by rounding out his team with a Snorlax (a forced encounter, as two of them were blocking the routes to Fuchsia City) and either an Espeon (evolved from the Eevee found at the Celadon Mansion - although this does confirm Red never used an evolutionary stone on that Eevee) in the original games or a Lapras (a gift from one of the Silph Co. employees during Team Rocket's takeover) in the remakes and later.

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** Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four if you include Yellow's Pikachu]]) include]] ''Yellow'''s Pikachu) and Blue didn't use his. It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''. The Gen II games also have a number of details implying that Red, ''Red, Green and Blue Blue'' (which have the same story) are the canon prequels, rather than Yellow, ''Yellow'', such as Blue's team being based on his team from those games (minus his starter), the absence of the Summer Beach House (which existed only in Yellow) ''Yellow'') in Route 19, and the house of the girl who gives the player Bulbasaur in Yellow ''Yellow'' being absent, in its place being the house of the man who lives with his wife and trades Pokémon with people in R/G/B ''R/G/B'' (who had been replaced by the Bulbasaur girl in Yellow).''Yellow''). The issue of what Pokémon Red caught regardless of version, was avoided by rounding out his team with a Snorlax (a forced encounter, as two of them were blocking the routes to Fuchsia City) and either an Espeon (evolved from the Eevee found at the Celadon Mansion - although this does confirm Red never used an evolutionary stone on that Eevee) in the original games or a Lapras (a gift from one of the Silph Co. employees during Team Rocket's takeover) in the remakes and later.
14th Sep '17 5:46:17 PM Pichu-kun
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** ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' does it as well. In ''Black & White'' you can catch Kyurem, but in the sequels it was caught by Team Plasma instead. Since the Musketeer Trio are still around in the sequels, catching them in the first game is also non-canon.
*** Liberty Garden is only accessible in the first games by event, and it serves as the place where you catch Victini. In ''[=B2/W2=]'', you can visit the island without the event, and Victini is missing. The implication is that the event is canon, and the previous protagonists caught Victini before the events of the sequel.
* Averted with ''VideoGame/StarFoxCommand''. Despite the game having 9 different endings, including two arguably [[GoldenEnding good ones]] (one where the {{Status Quo|IsGod}} is more or less restored with some newcomers to the team, and one where Fox and Krystal have [[HeroicLineage a son named Marcus]] who creates a new younger team), Miyamoto and Nintendo decided to "plant a new tree" and to [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] once again the [[VideoGame/StarFox franchise]] with ''VideoGame/StarFoxZero'', leaving the end of the old timeline undefined. This decision was somewhat of [[BrokenBase a base-breaker]] (''Command'' itself being one) and fans are split between those who hated the game and its plot are are glad that it was [[CanonDiscontinuity discontinued]] and those who would have liked to see more of Dash and Amanda, or even of Marcus' team.

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** ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' does it as well. In ''Black & White'' you can catch Kyurem, but in the sequels it was caught by Team Plasma instead. Since the Musketeer Trio are still around in the sequels, catching them in the first game is also non-canon.
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non-canon. Liberty Garden is only accessible in the first games by event, and it serves as the place where you catch Victini. In ''[=B2/W2=]'', you can visit the island without the event, and Victini is missing. The implication is that the event is canon, and the previous protagonists caught Victini before the events of the sequel.
** Subverted with the protagonist of ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver GSC/HGSS]]''. The ending to ''VideoGame/PokemonStadium 2'' shows Kris versus Silver, which implies the female protagonist is canon. However, the ''Stadium'' games haven't been deemed canon and thus its unknown if the canonical Johto protagonist is Ethan or Lyra (who replaced Kris in the remakes).
* ''VideoGame/StarFox'':
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Averted with ''VideoGame/StarFoxCommand''. Despite the game having 9 different endings, including two arguably [[GoldenEnding good ones]] (one where the {{Status Quo|IsGod}} is more or less restored with some newcomers to the team, and one where Fox and Krystal have [[HeroicLineage a son named Marcus]] who creates a new younger team), Miyamoto and Nintendo decided to "plant a new tree" and to [[ContinuityReboot reboot]] once again the [[VideoGame/StarFox franchise]] with ''VideoGame/StarFoxZero'', leaving the end of the old timeline undefined. This decision was somewhat of [[BrokenBase a base-breaker]] (''Command'' itself being one) and fans are split between those who hated the game and its plot are are glad that it was [[CanonDiscontinuity discontinued]] and those who would have liked to see more of Dash and Amanda, or even of Marcus' team.
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