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13th Jul '16 4:02:51 AM StFan
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** Ellen in ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon64'' doesn't acknowledge the protagonist as her grandson, meaning that Ellen is not the canon bachelorette in [[VideoGame/HarvestMoonOriginalSeries the original game]] (which also means Elli isn't [[KissingCousins Pete's cousin]]).

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** Ellen in ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon64'' doesn't acknowledge the protagonist as her grandson, meaning that Ellen is not the canon bachelorette in [[VideoGame/HarvestMoonOriginalSeries [[VideoGame/HarvestMoon1 the original game]] (which also means Elli isn't [[KissingCousins Pete's cousin]]).
8th Jul '16 7:29:44 PM Doug86
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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has [[AnyoneCanDie permadeath]] as [[FinalDeath a gameplay mechanic]]. Outside of certain modes or specific plot-relevant characters, any member of your army in any game will be KilledOffForReal if they fall in battle. However, whenever a game in the series gets a direct sequel (that is, a game set in the same universe, as the series usually operates on the NonLinearSequel principle), the new entry generally assumes all of its predecessor's characters survived (and were recruited in the first place), so any character death in gameplay is treated as non-canon.

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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' has [[AnyoneCanDie permadeath]] as [[FinalDeath a gameplay mechanic]]. Outside of certain modes or specific plot-relevant characters, any member of your army in any game will be KilledOffForReal if they fall in battle. However, whenever a game in the series gets a direct sequel (that is, a game set in the same universe, as the series usually operates on the NonLinearSequel principle), the new entry generally assumes all of its predecessor's characters survived (and were recruited in the first place), so any character death in gameplay is treated as non-canon.
30th Jun '16 5:59:31 PM pinkdalek
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* The original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' has two endings; a "good" one where [[spoiler:Meryl lives]] and a "bad" one where [[spoiler:Snake finds her dead]]. ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2'' doesn't mention Meryl, but Snake is wearing his bandana of ''[[BottomlessMagazines unlimited ammo]]'', a gift he got from Meryl in the "good" ending. While the book "In The Darkness of Shadow Moses" (Nastasha's [[FictionalDocument account of the events in the previous game from her perspective]]) suggests Meryl survived, the book "The Shocking Conspiracy Behind Shadow Moses" explains the main character found the bandanna on the beach and Snake took it from him (implying Meryl was never there to find it). Being deliberately confusing was one of ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 2|SonsOfLiberty}}''[='=]s main themes. Not being deliberately confusing was one of ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}''[='=]s, which had Meryl return in an awkward-ex-girlfriend role.

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* The ''VideoGame/MetalGear'':
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original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' has two endings; a "good" one where [[spoiler:Meryl lives]] and a "bad" one where [[spoiler:Snake finds her dead]]. ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2'' doesn't mention Meryl, but Snake is wearing his bandana of ''[[BottomlessMagazines unlimited ammo]]'', a gift he got from Meryl in the "good" ending. While the book "In The Darkness of Shadow Moses" (Nastasha's [[FictionalDocument account of the events in the previous game from her perspective]]) suggests Meryl survived, the book "The Shocking Conspiracy Behind Shadow Moses" explains the main character found the bandanna on the beach and Snake took it from him (implying Meryl was never there to find it). Being deliberately confusing was one of ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 2|SonsOfLiberty}}''[='=]s main themes. Not being deliberately confusing was one of ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}''[='=]s, which had Meryl return in an awkward-ex-girlfriend role.role.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPortableOps'' assumes the player left Raikov alive in the previous game, a character who you notably did ''not'' get a [[NonStandardGameOver Time Paradox]] for murdering.
27th Jun '16 7:41:44 AM Pichu-kun
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* Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four if you include Yellow's Pikachu]]) and Blue didn't use his. It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'':
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Averted in ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'' where [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo Red]] has all three starters ([[ThirdOptionAdaptation four if you include Yellow's Pikachu]]) and Blue didn't use his. It was however invoked in ''[[VideoGameRemake HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'', cutting off the branch of the female PlayerCharacter from ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue FireRed and LeafGreen]]''.



** For ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', the AnimatedAdaptation, ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'', goes with the idea that Red and Blue picked Charmander and Squirtle respectively. It also ends with [[spoiler:Red capturing Mewtwo]], and has [[spoiler:Giovanni disbanding Team Rocket (like in the original version), as opposed to going into hiding (like in the remake continuity)]].



* The third ''VideoGame/YokaiWatch'' game doesn't include the female playable character of the previous game, Katie, as a playable character. This cements Nate as the canon protagonist of the series. Instead of Katie, Inaho is playable alongside Nate.



* ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon DS'' and ''Harvest Moon Cute'' take place 100 years after ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonAWonderfulLife''. The protagonists tombstone, by default, is Mark's, the male protagonist.

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* ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon DS'' ''Franchise/HarvestMoon'':
** ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonDS''
and its DistaffCounterpart ''Harvest Moon DS Cute'' take place 100 years after ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonAWonderfulLife''. The protagonists tombstone, by default, is Mark's, the male protagonist. This also means the male protagonist of ''VideoGame/HarvestMoonFriendsOfMineralTown'' is the Mineral Town protagonist, as the two games connect to each other.
** Ellen in ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon64'' doesn't acknowledge the protagonist as her grandson, meaning that Ellen is not the canon bachelorette in [[VideoGame/HarvestMoonOriginalSeries the original game]] (which also means Elli isn't [[KissingCousins Pete's cousin]]).
26th Jun '16 7:38:09 PM SaraJaye
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' would seem to imply that Severa, Inigo, and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening'', as their unpaired endings state that they went to other lands, [[spoiler:with all three appearing in ''Fates'' under the [[PaperThinDisguise Paper-Thin Disguises]] of Selena, Laslow and Odin. They're all even able to marry the other ''Fates'' characters]]! However, the existence of [[TheMultiverse the Outrealms]] indicates that while [[spoiler:''Fates''[='s=] Severa, Inigo, and Owain came from an ''Awakening'' playthrough where they remained single, the playthroughs where they ended up married are all still technically canon (if irrelevant to the plot of ''Fates'')]].
*** ''Fates'' also seems to suggest that [[spoiler:Inigo is ''[[ShipSinking not]]'' the son of Chrom. In the Before Awakening DLC, where the Avatar meets and aids Chrom's group shortly prior to the prologue of ''Awakening'', Odin/Owain will nearly slip up and refer to Lissa as his mother; Laslow/Inigo does not do this for Chrom, merely asking him to be on the lookout for Olivia, whom Chrom has yet to cross paths with. Furthermore, Laslow's Support conversations with Xander discretely mention the [[BirthmarkOfDestiny Brand of the Exalt]], something Inigo himself would have if fathered by Chrom (Laslow's daughter Soleil lacks the Brand as well, unlike what was seen with Lissa and Owain in ''Awakening''; the only characters to bring up the subject are Odin, being Owain and all, and his daughter Ophelia); Laslow expresses insecurity that he's not royalty in his S-Rank Support with Azura (whereas Chrom!Inigo would be the first prince of Ylisse and second in line to the throne behind Lucina); and Laslow will note that he's unable to perform the Awakening ritual if given the Emblem Shield accessory, which someone of the Exalted bloodline would be able to do. His battle dialogue with Robin's Toys/{{Amiibo}} also implies Robin probably isn't his father either, as while he realises the Robin he knows is different, he says he's willing to fight this incarnation "old friend or not," something you ''probably'' wouldn't call your father. [[ShipToShipCombat News at 11.]]]]

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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' would seem to imply that Severa, Inigo, and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening'', as their unpaired endings state that they went to other lands, [[spoiler:with all three appearing in ''Fates'' under the [[PaperThinDisguise Paper-Thin Disguises]] of Selena, Laslow and Odin. They're all even able to marry the other ''Fates'' characters]]! However, the existence of [[TheMultiverse the Outrealms]] indicates that while [[spoiler:''Fates''[='s=] Severa, Inigo, and Owain came from an ''Awakening'' playthrough where they remained single, the playthroughs where they ended up married are all still technically canon (if irrelevant to the plot of ''Fates'')]].
*** ''Fates'' also seems to suggest that [[spoiler:Inigo is ''[[ShipSinking not]]'' the son of Chrom. In the Before Awakening DLC, where the Avatar meets and aids Chrom's group shortly prior to the prologue of ''Awakening'', Odin/Owain will nearly slip up and refer to Lissa as his mother; Laslow/Inigo does not do this for Chrom, merely asking him to be on the lookout for Olivia, whom Chrom has yet to cross paths with. Furthermore, Laslow's Support conversations with Xander discretely mention the [[BirthmarkOfDestiny Brand of the Exalt]], something Inigo himself would have if fathered by Chrom (Laslow's daughter Soleil lacks the Brand as well, unlike what was seen with Lissa and Owain in ''Awakening''; the only characters to bring up the subject are Odin, being Owain and all, and his daughter Ophelia); Laslow expresses insecurity that he's not royalty in his S-Rank Support with Azura (whereas Chrom!Inigo would be the first prince of Ylisse and second in line to the throne behind Lucina); and Laslow will note that he's unable to perform the Awakening ritual if given the Emblem Shield accessory, which someone of the Exalted bloodline would be able to do. His battle dialogue with Robin's Toys/{{Amiibo}} also implies Robin probably isn't his father either, as while he realises the Robin he knows is different, he says he's willing to fight this incarnation "old friend or not," something you ''probably'' wouldn't call your father. [[ShipToShipCombat News at 11.]]]]
canon.]]
22nd Jun '16 5:12:18 PM DomineeringScorpion
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** The novel ''Revan'' has the titular character be male, choose the Light Side, and marry Bastila. The Exile is female, has a name, and also chose the Light Side. [[spoiler:The Exile ends up dying and Revan gets captured by the Sith Emperor]], both of which are canonic events, especially since Satele Shan (in ''The Old Republic'') is descended from Revan and Bastila.

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** The novel ''Revan'' has the titular eponymous character be male, choose the Light Side, and marry Bastila. The Exile is female, has a name, and also chose the Light Side. [[spoiler:The Exile ends up dying and Revan gets captured by the Sith Emperor]], both of which are canonic events, especially since Satele Shan (in ''The Old Republic'') is descended from Revan and Bastila.
19th Jun '16 12:01:31 PM Yuihime
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* ''VisualNovel/HatofulBoyfriend'' dodges the issue completely. The sequel ''Holiday Star'' specifically takes place on another timeline from any of the original game's routes, so no one is confirmed or denied as the heroine's boyfriend. [[MediumAwareness Ryouta breaks the fourth wall to explain this directly to the audience]].
12th Jun '16 4:51:42 PM pinkdalek
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* The ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' sequels (most strikingly ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'', due to its CharacterFocus) all assume Vincent and Yuffie joined the party, even though they don't have to in order to beat the game.
11th Jun '16 11:55:01 PM jormis29
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* In ''VideoGame/MaxPayne 2: The Fall of Max Payne'', there are two endings: the first one in which [[spoiler:Mona Sax is fatally shot by Vladimir Lem and [[DiedInYourArmsTonight dies in Max's arms]] after he fails to save her]], and the other one that can be obtained in [[HarderThanHard "Dead on Arrival" mode]], in which [[spoiler:she survives being shot]]. Sadly, however, the former one turns out to be canon and carries over to ''Max Payne 3'', [[spoiler:in which Max still feels grieved at the loss of Mona, who had been killed nine years ago; and he has since been dismissed from the NYPD trying to nurse his alcoholism and addiction to painkillers.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/MaxPayne 2: The Fall of Max Payne'', ''VideoGame/MaxPayne2TheFallOfMaxPayne', there are two endings: the first one in which [[spoiler:Mona Sax is fatally shot by Vladimir Lem and [[DiedInYourArmsTonight dies in Max's arms]] after he fails to save her]], and the other one that can be obtained in [[HarderThanHard "Dead on Arrival" mode]], in which [[spoiler:she survives being shot]]. Sadly, however, the former one turns out to be canon and carries over to ''Max Payne 3'', ''VideoGame/MaxPayne3'', [[spoiler:in which Max still feels grieved at the loss of Mona, who had been killed nine years ago; and he has since been dismissed from the NYPD trying to nurse his alcoholism and addiction to painkillers.]]
22nd May '16 12:22:50 PM billybobfred
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* ''VideoGame/ManiacMansion'' encourages replays by giving each of the six possible partners different skills to defeat the [[spoiler:purple meteor mind-controlling Dr. Fred]], then making you start the game by picking just two of them. ''VideoGame/DayOfTheTentacle'' stars one of these partners, Bernard, and includes several references to optional events that only Syd or Razor could have completed.

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* ''VideoGame/ManiacMansion'' encourages replays by giving each of the six possible partners different skills to defeat the [[spoiler:purple meteor mind-controlling Dr. Fred]], then making you start the game by picking just two of them. ''VideoGame/DayOfTheTentacle'' stars one of these partners, Bernard, and includes several references to optional events that only Syd or Razor could have completed.[[note]]Since Syd and Razor have the ''exact same'' set of abilities, there's no possible way to distinguish further except by outright naming one of them as canonical; this does ''not'' happen.[[/note]]
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