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3rd Feb '16 7:14:02 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''VideoGame/MetroLastLight'' follows from the "bad" ending of ''VideoGame/Metro2033'', as this was the version of the ending that occured in the original novel. From background dialogue, it's suggested that Arytom went [[Franchise/MassEffect Renegade rather than Paragon]] at least a few times (i.e. OneManArmy killing his way through the Reds and Nazis soldiers on the Bridge rather than stealthing his way past on a PacifistRun), though there's no indication he was a pure Renegade asshole and his thoughtful and introspective narrative throughout the game tends to suggest against it.
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* ''VideoGame/MetroLastLight'' follows from the "bad" ending of ''VideoGame/Metro2033'', ''VideoGame/{{Metro 2033}}'', as this was the version of the ending that occured in the original novel. From background dialogue, it's suggested that Arytom went [[Franchise/MassEffect Renegade rather than Paragon]] at least a few times (i.e. OneManArmy killing his way through the Reds and Nazis soldiers on the Bridge rather than stealthing his way past on a PacifistRun), though there's no indication he was a pure Renegade asshole and his thoughtful and introspective narrative throughout the game tends to suggest against it.
1st Feb '16 1:19:35 AM Karxrida
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Namespacing.
** Cynthia's dialogue in ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' confirms Platinum's version of events to be the canon plotline for Generation 4, as she mentions the incident with Giratina and the Distortion World. ** ''PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' does it as well. In ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' you can catch Kyurem, but in the sequels it was caught by Team Plasma instead. Since the Musketeer Trio are still around in the sequels, catching them in the first game is also non-canon.
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** Cynthia's dialogue in ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' confirms Platinum's version of events to be the canon plotline for Generation 4, as she mentions the incident with Giratina and the Distortion World. ** ''PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' does it as well. In ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' you can catch Kyurem, but in the sequels it was caught by Team Plasma instead. Since the Musketeer Trio are still around in the sequels, catching them in the first game is also non-canon.
31st Jan '16 10:34:19 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' would seem to imply that Severa, Inigo, and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening'', as their unpaired endings state that they went to other lands, [[spoiler:with all three appearing in ''Fates'' under the [[PaperThinDisguise Paper-Thin Disguises]] of Selena, Lazward and Odin. They're all even able to marry the other ''Fates'' characters]]! However, the existence of [[TheMultiverse the Outrealms]] indicates that while [[spoiler:''Fates''[='s=] Severa, Inigo, and Owain came from an ''Awakening'' playthrough where they remained single, the playthroughs where they ended up married are all still technically canon (if irrelevant to the plot of ''Fates'')]].
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' would seem to imply that Severa, Inigo, and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening'', as their unpaired endings state that they went to other lands, [[spoiler:with all three appearing in ''Fates'' under the [[PaperThinDisguise Paper-Thin Disguises]] of Selena, Lazward Laslow and Odin. They're all even able to marry the other ''Fates'' characters]]! However, the existence of [[TheMultiverse the Outrealms]] indicates that while [[spoiler:''Fates''[='s=] Severa, Inigo, and Owain came from an ''Awakening'' playthrough where they remained single, the playthroughs where they ended up married are all still technically canon (if irrelevant to the plot of ''Fates'')]].
27th Jan '16 3:42:57 PM RayneCyro
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Nope, there's more than one. Goldbrand's not back, either.
*** Another example from ''Skyrim'': During ''Oblivion'', you have to [[spoiler:sacrifice one Daedric artifact during a quest.]] It seems to be [[spoiler:The Ring of Khajiiti, as it's the only one to not return in ''Skyrim''.]]
23rd Jan '16 12:04:49 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' would seem to imply that Severa, Inigo, and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening'', as their unpaired endings state that they went to other lands, [[spoiler:with all three appearing in ''Fates'' under the {{PaperThinDisguise Paper-Thin Disguises]] of Selena, Lazward and Odin. They're all even able to marry the other ''Fates'' characters]]! However, the existence of [[TheMultiverse the Outrealms]] indicates that while [[spoiler:''Fates''[='s=] Severa, Inigo, and Owain came from an ''Awakening'' playthrough where they remained single, the playthroughs where they ended up married are all still technically canon (if irrelevant to the plot of ''Fates'')]].
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' would seem to imply that Severa, Inigo, and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening'', as their unpaired endings state that they went to other lands, [[spoiler:with all three appearing in ''Fates'' under the {{PaperThinDisguise [[PaperThinDisguise Paper-Thin Disguises]] of Selena, Lazward and Odin. They're all even able to marry the other ''Fates'' characters]]! However, the existence of [[TheMultiverse the Outrealms]] indicates that while [[spoiler:''Fates''[='s=] Severa, Inigo, and Owain came from an ''Awakening'' playthrough where they remained single, the playthroughs where they ended up married are all still technically canon (if irrelevant to the plot of ''Fates'')]].
23rd Jan '16 12:03:20 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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Due to Outrealms, it's implied that *everything* is canon, just not necessarily in the same "universe". Also, some dub name changes.
* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has [[AnyoneCanDie permadeath]] as [[FinalDeath a gameplay mechanic.]] Outside of certain modes or specific plot-relevant characters, any member of your army in any game will be KilledOffForReal if they fall in battle. However, whenever a game in the series gets a direct sequel (that is, a game set in the same universe, the series usually operates on NonLinearSequel), it's generally assumed all characters were recruited and survived the first game, so any character death in gameplay is treated as non-canon. * ''Franchise/FireEmblem: Thracia 776'', the midquel to ''Geneaology of the Holy War'' canonizes Levin/Ferry, whereas in the first game you could choose between her and two other girls. (Well, technically six other girls, but since only Ferry, Sylvia and Tiltyu's sons can use Holsety, there's no point in the other four.) ** On the other hand, they averted this with Raquesis by implying [[SecondLove BOTH]] her predistined pairings were canon: Nanna's father is [[KnightInShiningArmor Finn]] and Delmud's father is [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Beowulf]].
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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has [[AnyoneCanDie permadeath]] as [[FinalDeath a gameplay mechanic.]] Outside of certain modes or specific plot-relevant characters, any member of your army in any game will be KilledOffForReal if they fall in battle. However, whenever a game in the series gets a direct sequel (that is, a game set in the same universe, as the series usually operates on NonLinearSequel), it's the NonLinearSequel principle), the new entry generally assumed assumes all of its predecessor's characters survived (and were recruited and survived in the first game, place), so any character death in gameplay is treated as non-canon. * ''Franchise/FireEmblem: non-canon. ** In fact, ''FireEmblemAwakening'' strongly implies that the entire franchise is set in an interconnected multiverse accessible through the Outrealm gates where each individual "universe" has ''multiple'' versions of it all existing at once; in fact, [[spoiler:the time-traveling in the main plot is implied to actually be just a case of dimension hopping]]. Basically, while all playthroughs/universes may be equally canon, the direct sequels are only set in the ones where KillEmAll ''wasn't'' invoked. ** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Thracia 776'', 776]]'', the midquel to ''Geneaology of the Holy War'' canonizes Levin/Ferry, whereas in the first game you could choose between her and two other girls. (Well, technically six other girls, but since only Ferry, Sylvia and Tiltyu's sons can use Holsety, there's no point in the other four.) ** *** On the other hand, they averted this with Raquesis by implying [[SecondLove BOTH]] her predistined pairings were canon: Nanna's father is [[KnightInShiningArmor Finn]] and Delmud's father is [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Beowulf]].

*** For how ''New Mystery'' dealt with the sidequest characters, see MergingTheBranches. The only exception is Nagi, who Marth doesn't recognise in ''New Mystery'', implying her sidequest was non-canon. (Which makes sense, seeing as it only occurs if you miss out on getting the [[InfinityPlusOneSword Falchion]]) ** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' has another aversion. The DLC battles involving the characters from ''FireEmblemAkaneia'' make vague references to ''New Mystery's'' player-created character, and [[CanonName canonise their name as]] [[GenderBlenderName Kris]], but what pronoun is used to refer to them depends on the gender of ''Awakening's'' Avatar, meaning male and female Kris are both equally canon. ** Due to certain revalations in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', it's likely Severa, Inigo and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening''. Each of their unpaired endings states that they travelled to other lands after the events of the game. [[spoiler: In ''Fates'', the three appear under [[PaperThinDisguise Paper Thin Disguises]] as Luna, Lazward and Odin. All three can get married and, unlike in ''Awakening'' (outside of marrying the Avatar), have kids, which would make some of their romances in ''Awakening'' (which often specifically ended in marriage) [[YourCheatingHeart very awkward.]] Though it ''is'' possible not to pair Severa, since there are other women to be the mothers of Owain and Inigo's daughters.]] ** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' also has an example of an aversion and being played straight at the same time. [[spoiler:One of the amiibo characters is Robin, the player-created character of ''Awakening''. He only appears as a male, using the default model and voice, unlike in ''Awakening'' proper where he can be either male or female, and he gets unique battle quotes if he faces the above mentioned Severa-as-Luna, Inigo-as-Lazward, and Owain-as-Odin. However, the three of them imply that he is not the Robin they knew which averts it for ''Awakening''. So how is this played straight? Because this Robin is heavily implied to be the Robin who partook in ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U]]'' where you could select between Male and Female Robin, meaning the male version of Robin is the one considered to have fought in Smash.]]
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*** For how ''New Mystery'' dealt with the sidequest characters, see MergingTheBranches. The only exception is Nagi, who Marth doesn't recognise in ''New Mystery'', implying her sidequest was non-canon. (Which makes sense, seeing as it only occurs if you miss out on getting the [[InfinityPlusOneSword Falchion]]) Falchion]]). ** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' ''Awakening'' has another aversion. The DLC battles involving the characters from ''FireEmblemAkaneia'' make vague references to ''New Mystery's'' player-created character, and [[CanonName canonise their name as]] [[GenderBlenderName Kris]], but what pronoun is used to refer to them depends on the gender of ''Awakening's'' Avatar, meaning male and female Kris are both equally canon. ** Due ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' would seem to certain revalations in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', it's likely imply that Severa, Inigo Inigo, and Owain canonically went unpaired at the end of ''Awakening''. Each of ''Awakening'', as their unpaired endings states state that they travelled went to other lands after the events of the game. [[spoiler: In ''Fates'', the lands, [[spoiler:with all three appear appearing in ''Fates'' under [[PaperThinDisguise Paper Thin the {{PaperThinDisguise Paper-Thin Disguises]] as Luna, of Selena, Lazward and Odin. All three can get married and, unlike in They're all even able to marry the other ''Fates'' characters]]! However, the existence of [[TheMultiverse the Outrealms]] indicates that while [[spoiler:''Fates''[='s=] Severa, Inigo, and Owain came from an ''Awakening'' (outside of marrying playthrough where they remained single, the Avatar), have kids, which would make some playthroughs where they ended up married are all still technically canon (if irrelevant to the plot of their romances in ''Fates'')]]. ** ''Awakening'' (which often specifically ended in marriage) [[YourCheatingHeart very awkward.]] Though it ''is'' possible not to pair Severa, since there are other women to be the mothers of Owain and Inigo's daughters.]] ** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' also has an ''Fates'' have a combined example of that is both an aversion and being played straight at the same time. [[spoiler:One of the amiibo characters is Robin, the player-created character of ''Awakening''. He only appears as a male, using the default model and voice, unlike in ''Awakening'' proper where he can be either male or female, and he gets unique battle quotes if he faces the above mentioned Severa-as-Luna, Inigo-as-Lazward, Selena, Lazward, and Owain-as-Odin. Odin (who are simply Severa, Inigo, and Owain from ''Awakening'' operating under pseudonyms). However, the those three of them characters imply that he is not the Robin they knew which averts it for ''Awakening''. So how is this played straight? Because this Robin is heavily implied to be the Robin who partook in ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U]]'' where you could select between Male and Female Robin, meaning the male version of Robin is the one considered to have fought in Smash. Then again, ''Smash'' did allow multiple versions of the same character to fight all at once...]]
17th Jan '16 6:24:11 AM ChronoLegion
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** The novel ''Revan'' has the titular character be male, choose the Light Side, and marry Bastila. The Exile is female, has a name, and also chose the Light Side. [[spoiler:The Exile ends up dying and Revan gets captured by the Sith Emperor]], both of which are canonic events.
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** The novel ''Revan'' has the titular character be male, choose the Light Side, and marry Bastila. The Exile is female, has a name, and also chose the Light Side. [[spoiler:The Exile ends up dying and Revan gets captured by the Sith Emperor]], both of which are canonic events.events, especially since Satele Shan (in ''The Old Republic'') is descended from Revan and Bastila.
17th Jan '16 6:22:18 AM ChronoLegion
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** The novel ''Revan'' has the titular character be male, choose the Light Side, and marry Bastila. The Exile is female, has a name, and also chose the Light Side. [[spoiler:The Exile ends up dying and Revan gets captured by the Sith Emperor]], both of which are canonic events.
13th Jan '16 7:29:51 AM Cronosonic
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** However, the ZX Advent manga takes the MergingTheBranches approach, and issue #55 of the [[ComicBook/MegaMan Archie Comics series]] rather blatantly indicates that Ian Flynn intended to take the same approach with the entire ZX storyline.
6th Jan '16 2:22:56 PM Sunnychance
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** Generally averted in the MMO sequel, ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic''--the character classes are only ever vaguely referred to in outside material in such a way that you can imagine they were whatever gender or alignment you'd like. There is one exception, however, and that's the Sith Inquisitor, who is at one point referenced as [[spoiler:Darth Nox]], meaning they were canonically [[spoiler:dark side, which is notable as they are the first dark side protagonist in a ''Star Wars'' video game]]. They don't have a gender or race assigned, though.
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** Generally averted in the MMO sequel, ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic''--the character classes are only ever vaguely referred to in outside material in such a way that you can imagine they were whatever gender or alignment you'd like. There is one exception, however, and that's the Sith Inquisitor, who is at one point referenced as [[spoiler:Darth Nox]], meaning they were canonically [[spoiler:dark side, which is notable as they are the first dark side protagonist in a ''Star Wars'' video game]]. They don't have The book ''Annihilation'' also implies that they are a human, though their gender or race assigned, though.is still unconfirmed.
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