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23rd Jul '17 6:21:16 PM Universalist
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* The Inhumans of Marvel ran into this problem in the post Secret Wars period. The [[Comicbook/XMen X Men]]] were being killed off by their mutagen cloud and any attempt to do anything about said cloud was seen as a massive affront to the Inhumans and an act that gets one compared to Hitler. Needless to say very few Inhumans are popular with readers and their books struggle to stay afloat outside of [[Comicbook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]] and [[ComicBook/MoonGirlAndDevilDinosaur Moon Girl]], who do not live with the main Inhumans that cause these issues.

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* The Inhumans of Marvel ran into this problem in the post Secret Wars period. The [[Comicbook/XMen X Men]]] Men]] were being killed off by their mutagen cloud and any attempt to do anything about said cloud was seen as a massive affront to the Inhumans and an act that gets one compared to Hitler. Needless to say very few Inhumans are popular with readers and their books struggle to stay afloat outside of [[Comicbook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]] and [[ComicBook/MoonGirlAndDevilDinosaur Moon Girl]], who do not live with the main Inhumans that cause these issues.
23rd Jul '17 6:20:54 PM Universalist
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* The Inhumans of Marvel ran into this problem in the post Secret Wars period. The [[Comicbook/XMen]]] were being killed off by their mutagen cloud and any attempt to do anything about said cloud was seen as a massive affront to the Inhumans and an act that gets one compared to Hitler. Needless to say very few Inhumans are popular with readers and their books struggle to stay afloat outside of [[Comicbook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]] and [[ComicBook/MoonGirlAndDevilDinosaur Moon Girl]], who do not live with the main Inhumans that cause these issues.

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* The Inhumans of Marvel ran into this problem in the post Secret Wars period. The [[Comicbook/XMen]]] [[Comicbook/XMen X Men]]] were being killed off by their mutagen cloud and any attempt to do anything about said cloud was seen as a massive affront to the Inhumans and an act that gets one compared to Hitler. Needless to say very few Inhumans are popular with readers and their books struggle to stay afloat outside of [[Comicbook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]] and [[ComicBook/MoonGirlAndDevilDinosaur Moon Girl]], who do not live with the main Inhumans that cause these issues.
9th Jul '17 4:35:20 AM KrspaceT
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* The Inhumans of Marvel ran into this problem in the post Secret Wars period. The [[Comicbook/XMen]]] were being killed off by their mutagen cloud and any attempt to do anything about said cloud was seen as a massive affront to the Inhumans and an act that gets one compared to Hitler.

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* The Inhumans of Marvel ran into this problem in the post Secret Wars period. The [[Comicbook/XMen]]] were being killed off by their mutagen cloud and any attempt to do anything about said cloud was seen as a massive affront to the Inhumans and an act that gets one compared to Hitler. Needless to say very few Inhumans are popular with readers and their books struggle to stay afloat outside of [[Comicbook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]] and [[ComicBook/MoonGirlAndDevilDinosaur Moon Girl]], who do not live with the main Inhumans that cause these issues.
4th Jul '17 1:34:47 PM KrspaceT
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* The Inhumans of Marvel ran into this problem in the post Secret Wars period. The [[Comicbook/XMen]]] were being killed off by their mutagen cloud and any attempt to do anything about said cloud was seen as a massive affront to the Inhumans and an act that gets one compared to Hitler.
29th Jun '17 10:14:29 AM Mackus
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* The protagonists of ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' are driven to preserve traditional, Judeo-Christian American culture, whatever it takes. No matter how many of their people they need to deport, execute, kidnap, torture, spy on, betray, nuke, or sell into slavery. One could almost question their commitment to American ideals, just not too loudly.

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* The protagonists of ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'' are driven to preserve traditional, 'very' traditional form of Judeo-Christian American culture, whatever it takes. No matter how many of their people they need to deport, execute, kidnap, torture, spy on, betray, nuke, or sell into slavery. One could almost question their commitment to They explicitly reject twenty-first century version of American ideals, just not too loudly.culture, in favor of their own Retrograde culture to which they are fully committed.
7th Jun '17 8:57:01 PM thatother1dude
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* [[NebulousEvilOrganization Black Claw]] in ''Series/{{Grimm}}'' is a group of Wessen united behind their claim that what they consider to be important Wessen traditions are being oppressed by humans, even though said traditions generally consist of brutally dominating, killing (and sometimes [[ImAHumanitarian eating]]) humans -- and also [[MonstrousCannibalism other, weaker, Wessen]].

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* [[NebulousEvilOrganization Black Claw]] in ''Series/{{Grimm}}'' is a group of Wessen united behind their claim that what they consider to be important Wessen traditions are being oppressed by humans, even though said traditions generally consist of brutally dominating, killing (and sometimes [[ImAHumanitarian [[ToServeMan eating]]) humans -- and also [[MonstrousCannibalism other, weaker, Wessen]].
2nd May '17 7:15:26 AM RobTan
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** This especially comes up a lot with Worf, who's both a Klingon warrior and a Starfleet officer (and implied to posses some sort of duel citizenship). Of particular note was the episode "Ethics", in which Worf becomes paralyzed and agrees to undertake a potentially-life-threatening procedure to restore use of his legs. The reason is that Klingon society demands a person commit ritual suicide upon becoming crippled, which Worf fully intends to do if he can't regain full functionality. The crew, understandably, responds to this with a sort of collective horror as suicide is unheard of in the Federation, with the ever-diplomatic Picard being the only person willing to play devil's advocate and reluctantly respect Worf's wishes in the matter.

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** This especially comes up a lot with Worf, who's both a Klingon warrior and a Starfleet officer (and implied to posses some sort of duel dual citizenship). Of particular note was the episode "Ethics", in which Worf becomes paralyzed and agrees to undertake a potentially-life-threatening procedure to restore use of his legs. The reason is that Klingon society demands a person commit ritual suicide upon becoming crippled, which Worf fully intends to do if he can't regain full functionality. The crew, understandably, responds to this with a sort of collective horror as suicide is unheard of in the Federation, with the ever-diplomatic Picard being the only person willing to play devil's advocate and reluctantly respect Worf's wishes in the matter.
11th Apr '17 2:04:19 AM Baeraad555
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* Frequently discussed but usually averted in, funnily enough, ''Literature/TheCulture'' series. The Culture's Special Circumstances division, which employs many of the protagonists of the series, is explicitly dedicated to trying to ensure, by whatever means necessary, that other civilisations adopt beliefs and behaviours that the Culture considers the correct ones. The fact that this is ''also'' [[BlackAndGreyMorality not a morally impeccable thing to do]] is often highlighted, but at the end of the day it's presented as more or less the correct approach - no matter how questionable the Culture's interference can be at times, it's hard to feel that the likes of the [[Literature/ThePlayerOfGames Empire of Azad]] should be left undisturbed to brutalise its own populace.
11th Mar '17 6:33:47 AM Giantleviathan
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This trope is about someone directly or indirectly using "culture" as a way of trying to get themselves or someone else off the hook for truly heinous acts or structures -- either justifying the crime with a reference to culture, or insisting that the case should not be properly investigated out of respect for the culture.

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This trope is about someone directly or indirectly using "culture" as a way of trying to get themselves or someone else off the hook for truly heinous acts or structures -- either justifying the crime with a reference to culture, or insisting that the case should not be properly investigated out of respect for the culture.
culture. Frequently, this is also a characteristic of the StrawNihilist. Their logic being: "Morality is nothing more than a fanciful lie our culture made up. So on what authority do we have to judge those who don't follow our "morality" nonsense?"
28th Feb '17 7:59:24 PM Give1Take2
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* Crops up ''all over the place'' in ''Franchise/DragonAge'', along with a hefty helping of DeliberateValuesDissonance and AppealToTradition. Many {{Fantasy Counterpart Culture}}s have blatantly amoral practices that victimize certain members of their community (elves, mages, castless, apostates, saarebas, slaves, etc); yet whenever someone from a different culture points this out, many characters' most common defense is that it's just part of their culture and/or this is how it's always been done.

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* Crops up ''all all over the place'' place in ''Franchise/DragonAge'', along with a hefty helping of DeliberateValuesDissonance and AppealToTradition. Many {{Fantasy Counterpart Culture}}s have blatantly amoral practices that victimize certain members of their community (elves, mages, castless, apostates, saarebas, slaves, etc); yet whenever someone from a different culture points this out, many characters' most common defense is that it's just part of their culture and/or this is how it's always been done.''Franchise/DragonAge''.



** Mages are treated with outright terror and hostility in nearly every culture outside [[TheMagocracy Tevinter]], since most mages have enough power to level a village, and even the weakest ones have "DEMONS, POSSESS HERE!" stamped on their foreheads. This fear and suspicion led to (among other measures) [[TheChurch The Chantry's]] [[MageTower Circle prison]] and [[AntiMagicalFaction Templar]] jailer system. Most characters will defend it as an accepted cultural practice, and/or claim the Circles and Templars protect mages from the common folk who're so terrified of mages they'll lynch them on sight. [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Few characters question the Chantry]] ''[[DeliberateValuesDissonance encouraging]]'' [[DeliberateValuesDissonance common citizens to fear mages, and then presenting themselves as saviors for imprisoning them.]]

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** Mages are treated with outright terror and hostility in nearly every culture outside [[TheMagocracy Tevinter]], since because of how powerful and susceptible to possession most mages have enough power to level a village, and even the weakest ones have "DEMONS, POSSESS HERE!" stamped on their foreheads. This fear and suspicion are. In Southern Thedas, this has led to (among other measures) [[TheChurch The Chantry's]] [[MageTower Circle prison]] and [[AntiMagicalFaction Templar]] jailer system. system, which allows many Templars to abuse their mage charges. Most characters will defend it as an accepted cultural practice, and/or claim the Circles and Templars protect are protecting mages from the common folk who're so terrified of mages they'll lynch them on sight. [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Few characters question the Chantry]] ''[[DeliberateValuesDissonance encouraging]]'' [[DeliberateValuesDissonance common citizens to fear mages, and then presenting themselves as saviors for imprisoning them.]]



** Orzammar dwarves treat their [[FantasticCasteSystem "castless"]] as worse than dirt, forbidding them from finding work or housing legally and then punishing them for the crimes their lot force them to commit. [[MentorOccupationalHazard Duncan]] and the PlayerCharacter can call them out on this in the first game, but the dwarves wouldn't expect a know-nothing surfacer (or casteless) like ''you'' to understand the ancient, intricate, honorable traditions that keep Orzammar society great.
** Tevinter has always had slaves; it's part of their history, society, and culture. And they tend not to take kindly to ignorant Southern Thedosian bumpkins like you, PlayerCharacter, telling them whether they can or cannot own slaves since that is between them and their slaves.

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** Orzammar dwarves treat their [[FantasticCasteSystem "castless"]] as worse than dirt, forbidding them from finding work or housing legally and then punishing them for the crimes their lot force them to commit. [[MentorOccupationalHazard Duncan]] and the PlayerCharacter can call them out on this in the first game, but the dwarves wouldn't expect a know-nothing surfacer (or casteless) like ''you'' to understand the ancient, intricate, honorable traditions that keep Orzammar society great.
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** Tevinter has always had slaves; it's part of excuses their history, society, and culture. And they tend not to take kindly to ignorant Southern Thedosian bumpkins like you, PlayerCharacter, telling them whether they can or cannot own practice of keeping slaves since that is between them with this, even though most slaves they buy and their slaves.kidnap come from cultures without slavery.
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