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18th Sep '17 11:52:54 AM AndyLA
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* This is ultimately revealed to be the reason why [[spoiler:Gendo [[WellDoneSonGuy treats Shinji the way he does]]]] in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. [[spoiler:He didn't want to lose his son like he lost Yui before, so he decided to become emotionally detached from him in the hopes Shinji wouldn't get involved with the battle to prevent the Third Impact. When this didn't work, and Rei proved ineffective in controlling the EVA-01 despite having matching genetic material, he was forced to bring Shinji in, and even though he saw for himself the results of his parenting methods (a depressive, borderline-suicidal kid), he didn't change, as he hoped to drive Shinji away again. Gendo only came clean about this when SEELE raided the NERV Geofront in order to shut it down and Shinji was already in too deep into the fate of the world to turn back.]]
9th Sep '17 3:46:11 PM nombretomado
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* Series/{{Chuck}}: [[TheAce Bryce Larkin]], Chuck's best friend and roommate, framed Chuck for cheating and got him kicked out of Stanford to protect him from being forced into the spy life, where Bryce knew he wouldn't survive.

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* Series/{{Chuck}}: ''Series/{{Chuck}}'': [[TheAce Bryce Larkin]], Chuck's best friend and roommate, framed Chuck for cheating and got him kicked out of Stanford to protect him from being forced into the spy life, where Bryce knew he wouldn't survive.



* In AmericanIdol, this was basically Simon Cowell's approach to the many applicants who simply did not have talent enough to succeed as a singer. Telling someone who doesn't have a chance in hell that they don't have a chance in hell ''is'' this trope. It's often the only dose of reality some of them have gotten after years of being told to keep trying by well-meaning friends and family.

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* In AmericanIdol, ''Series/AmericanIdol'', this was basically Simon Cowell's approach to the many applicants who simply did not have talent enough to succeed as a singer. Telling someone who doesn't have a chance in hell that they don't have a chance in hell ''is'' this trope. It's often the only dose of reality some of them have gotten after years of being told to keep trying by well-meaning friends and family.
4th Sep '17 8:00:44 PM AndyLA
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* Discussed in ''Manga/{{Bakuman}}'', when Mashiro is talking to Takagi about an editor's story that left an impression in him. He tells of a young artist who had sent his drafts to the editor, who proceeded to take a look and dump everything into a paper shredder. This only drove the artist to work harder on his art and, when he got serialized, the editor invited him to dinner and apologized for the earlier treatment, while the artist tearfully thanked him for forcing him to strive harder.
4th Sep '17 7:50:34 PM AndyLA
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* ''Fanfic/ACrownOfStars'': Asuka's [[MyFutureSelfAndMe future self]] was trying to convince her younger counterpart that she and Shinji should take up Daniel's offer to help them, but her younger self still hesitated, so Older Asuka resorted to giving her a low blow:

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* A surprising amount of fanfic examples comes from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' fanfics, so take a seat before you continue:
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''Fanfic/ACrownOfStars'': Asuka's [[MyFutureSelfAndMe future self]] was trying to convince her younger counterpart that she and Shinji should take up Daniel's offer to help them, but her younger self still hesitated, so Older Asuka resorted to giving her a low blow:



* ''Manga/{{Evangelion 303}}'': When Asuka [[spoiler:attempted suicide]] she believed that she was doing a favor to everybody [[http://eva303.smackjeeves.com/comics/1770248/091/ by ending their suffering.]]
* In ''Fanfic/GhostsOfEvangelion'':
** In a chapter set in 2016 Asuka tells Shinji harshly that both Rei and Kaworu made their own choices so he must stop blaming himself for everything.
** Asuka criticizes Shinji constantly because she thinks he will never become assertive otherwise. Misato admits that her female ward has a point.
--->'''Asuka:''' I thought Shinji was your best friend.\\

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* ** ''Manga/{{Evangelion 303}}'': When Asuka [[spoiler:attempted suicide]] she believed that she was doing a favor to everybody [[http://eva303.smackjeeves.com/comics/1770248/091/ by ending their suffering.]]
* ** In ''Fanfic/GhostsOfEvangelion'':
** *** In a chapter set in 2016 Asuka tells Shinji harshly that both Rei and Kaworu made their own choices so he must stop blaming himself for everything.
** *** Asuka criticizes Shinji constantly because she thinks he will never become assertive otherwise. Misato admits that her female ward has a point.
--->'''Asuka:''' ---->'''Asuka:''' I thought Shinji was your best friend.\\



* ''Fanfic/HigherLearning'': Right before the FinalBattle Asuka is so depressed and mind-broken that she would rather die than fight for her life. Not knowing what else to do, Shinji threatens to blow his own brains out, hoping to provoke a reaction of her. It works.
-->'''Shinji''': "Nine bullets. I'm sure there will be plenty enough for you. You're not much of the Shakespeare type, so I don't think you'll use them on yourself. But...if you want to join me, or fight, you'll still have the choice.\\

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* ** ''Fanfic/HigherLearning'': Right before the FinalBattle Asuka is so depressed and mind-broken that she would rather die than fight for her life. Not knowing what else to do, Shinji threatens to blow his own brains out, hoping to provoke a reaction of her. It works.
-->'''Shinji''': --->'''Shinji''': "Nine bullets. I'm sure there will be plenty enough for you. You're not much of the Shakespeare type, so I don't think you'll use them on yourself. But...if you want to join me, or fight, you'll still have the choice.\\



* ''FanFic/TheSecondTry'': In chapter six Asuka is angry and depressed and she stubbornly refuses to eat anything [[spoiler:due to her pregnancy.]] Shinji does not know what else to do to reason with her so he resorts to hurting her:
-->'''Shinji''': Why did you lie?\\

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* ** ''FanFic/TheSecondTry'': In chapter six Asuka is angry and depressed and she stubbornly refuses to eat anything [[spoiler:due to her pregnancy.]] Shinji does not know what else to do to reason with her so he resorts to hurting her:
-->'''Shinji''': --->'''Shinji''': Why did you lie?\\



* ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': In the noncanonical side-story Shinji meets his counterpart of the original universe. To force his counterpart to know the price of failure and get his act together, Shinji [[spoiler:makes his younger self believing that he is going to behead Asuka.]] When the younger Shinji screams [[BigNo "NO!"]] right before the axe-blow intentionally misses, Shinji suggests him earnestly stopping his self-pity party, growing a spine and fighting to defend [[HeroesWantRedheads Asuka]] and other people he cares about.
* ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionGenocide'': In chapter 9, Asuka tries to convince [[spoiler:[[NewMeat Keiko]]]] to quit piloting for her own good, telling her that she isn't pilot material and will likely be torn apart by the enemy. She is harsh because she doesn't know how to be tactful about it, but she’s actually trying to help [[spoiler:Keiko.]]

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* ** ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': In the noncanonical side-story Shinji meets his counterpart of the original universe. To force his counterpart to know the price of failure and get his act together, Shinji [[spoiler:makes his younger self believing that he is going to behead Asuka.]] When the younger Shinji screams [[BigNo "NO!"]] right before the axe-blow intentionally misses, Shinji suggests him earnestly stopping his self-pity party, growing a spine and fighting to defend [[HeroesWantRedheads Asuka]] and other people he cares about.
* ** ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionGenocide'': In chapter 9, Asuka tries to convince [[spoiler:[[NewMeat Keiko]]]] to quit piloting for her own good, telling her that she isn't pilot material and will likely be torn apart by the enemy. She is harsh because she doesn't know how to be tactful about it, but she’s actually trying to help [[spoiler:Keiko.]]
18th Aug '17 3:12:02 PM Taskmaster123
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* In AmericanIdol, this was basically Simon Cowell's approach to the many applicants who simply did not have talent enough to succeed as a singer. Telling someone who doesn't have a chance in hell that they don't have a chance in hell ''is'' this trope. It's often the only dose of reality some of them have gotten after years of being told to keep trying by well-meaning friends and family.



* In AmericanIdol, this was basically Simon Cowell's approach to the many applicants who simply did not have talent enough to succeed as a singer. Telling someone who doesn't have a chance in hell that they don't have a chance in hell ''is'' this trope. It's often the only dose of reality some of them have gotten after years of being told to keep trying by well-meaning friends and family.
18th Aug '17 3:10:52 PM Taskmaster123
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* In AmericanIdol, this was basically Simon Cowell's approach to the many applicants who simply did not have talent enough to succeed as a singer. Telling someone who doesn't have a chance in hell that they don't have a chance in hell ''is'' this trope. It's often the only dose of reality some of them have gotten after years of being told to keep trying by well-meaning friends and family.
12th Aug '17 3:48:18 AM Flame
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* ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'': Treatment of evolved Bugster Virus involves hitting the patient with hammer in video game styled battle.
** [[DoctorJerk Taiga]] reasoned that telling Emu about his Bugster infection would be dangerous, so attacking him under pretense of trying to take his Gashats won't stress him because he expects Taiga to act like a jerk who wants to take his stuff. [[DullSurprise He is]] [[BatmanGambit right]].
6th Jul '17 1:07:44 PM Linda58
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* It may not have been intentional, but in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' it's Oliver's ''vicious'' ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Laurel over her alcoholism/drug addiction and NeverMyFault mentality that ultimately get her to realize how far she's fallen and take steps to fix her life.
28th Jun '17 10:57:03 PM Prometheus117
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* In ''Series/BurnNotice'', Michael state that you have to be cruel to be kind when in hostage negotiations, because if you show too much sympathy for the hostage, you're going to give the hostage taker leverage. If you show you're willing to let them kill the hostage if they're too badly hurt, you've gained an advantage, as hostage taking is a business, where there is only one buyer for each product.

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* In ''Series/BurnNotice'', ''Series/BurnNotice''
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Michael state that you have to be cruel to be kind when in hostage negotiations, because if you show too much sympathy for the hostage, you're going to give the hostage taker hostage-taker leverage. If you show you're willing to let them kill the hostage if they're too badly hurt, you've gained an advantage, as hostage taking is a business, where there is only one buyer for each product.


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** He even namedrops the trope in another episode, where his mom Madeline is forced to blackmail a woman who watches over insurance records and who she grew close enough to call a friend in order to get the files they need to stop the VillainOfTheWeek. He notes that you have to do this in blackmailing situations because showing sympathy for the target only makes things worse on both ends and that in order to make it as easy as possible, you have to be the bad guy. Madeline plays the role perfectly in order to get the files, which reduces the woman to tears...but she's royally pissed and hurt at both herself and Michael for having to do it since she knows it means she'll lose her job. Michael even mentions that while this approach might make it easier on the victim, it does nothing for the blackmailer if they ''do'' care. [[spoiler:Luckily, Michael reveals he managed to break in and put them back before anyone could find out, thus sparing the woman]].
23rd Jun '17 2:18:14 AM Kingler
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* One episode of ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' sees the doctor make a new, cloying friend named Bob, who's in a wheelchair. When Frasier finally breaks it off, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech listing all the things he hates about Bob]], the man is crushed. A remorseful Frasier then [[BlatantLies pretends that he actually hates Bob for being crippled]] to restore his confidence. Unfortunately, nearby people overhear this and chew Frasier out as he futilely tries to explain himself.

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* One episode of ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' sees the doctor make a new, cloying friend named Bob, who's in a wheelchair. When Frasier finally breaks it off, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech listing all he tells the things man exactly what he hates about Bob]], the man is crushed. A him]]. This breaks Bob's heart, so a remorseful Frasier then [[BlatantLies [[PretendPrejudice pretends that he actually hates Bob for being crippled]] the disabled]] to [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre restore his confidence.Bob's confidence]]. Unfortunately, nearby people overhear this and chew Frasier out as he futilely tries to explain himself.
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