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25th May '18 8:26:18 AM x_countryguy
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* A common one seen in multiple detective series is the unwavering belief that [[ValuesDissonance all women are physically weaker than all men]], which is commonly brought up as a foolproof alibi. Even when there's an elderly, overweight or disabled man in the room who doesn't get the same courtesy. Especially headache-inducing in the Moonlight Sonata case of ''Manga/DetectiveConan'', where a female doctor is written off as a suspect because she's petite with thin arms and couldn't have lifted the bodies. (Each of which are taller than her and would require quite a feat to move around the way they did.) Then [[spoiler: when it's found out "she" is actually a crossdressing man this alibi immediately vanishes, ''even though he's still the exact same muscleless {{Bishounen}} waif.'']] \\

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* A common one seen in multiple detective series is the unwavering belief that [[ValuesDissonance all women are physically weaker than all men]], which is commonly brought up as a foolproof alibi. Even when there's an elderly, overweight or disabled man in the room who doesn't get the same courtesy. Especially headache-inducing in the Moonlight Sonata case of ''Manga/DetectiveConan'', where a female doctor is written off as a suspect because she's petite with thin arms and couldn't have lifted the bodies. (Each of which are taller than her and would require quite a feat to move around the way they did.) Then [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when it's found out "she" is actually a crossdressing man this alibi immediately vanishes, ''even though he's still the exact same muscleless {{Bishounen}} waif.'']] \\'']]



%% The vital clue that solves the mystery in the novel Fatal Equilibrium doesn't work at all once the FridgeLogic sets in. [[spoiler: Canoes would necessarily have a smaller price variance only if one assumes all canoes are the same, which is a bad assumption to make when applied to non-theoretical situations. This is even worse when the protagonist makes the comparison of a hammer truck and a car. Anyone with half a brain would realize that, while the price variance of a specific make and model of car would likely be smaller than that of a hammer, cars in general have a considerably larger variance due to differences in performance, fuel efficiency, mileage, current fads, etc. This effect could actually be even more pronounced in the society under question, which did not have mass production, meaning each canoe would be unique.]]
%% [[spoiler: Even in the US, a cheap canoe can be had for as little as $400, while a large Grumman can run you over $2000, ''five times'' more expensive. The price of a canoe varies with the size of the canoe, the materials it's made of, and the quality of its construction.]]

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%% The vital clue that solves the mystery in the novel Fatal Equilibrium doesn't work at all once the FridgeLogic sets in. [[spoiler: Canoes [[spoiler:Canoes would necessarily have a smaller price variance only if one assumes all canoes are the same, which is a bad assumption to make when applied to non-theoretical situations. This is even worse when the protagonist makes the comparison of a hammer truck and a car. Anyone with half a brain would realize that, while the price variance of a specific make and model of car would likely be smaller than that of a hammer, cars in general have a considerably larger variance due to differences in performance, fuel efficiency, mileage, current fads, etc. This effect could actually be even more pronounced in the society under question, which did not have mass production, meaning each canoe would be unique.]]
%% [[spoiler: Even [[spoiler:Even in the US, a cheap canoe can be had for as little as $400, while a large Grumman can run you over $2000, ''five times'' more expensive. The price of a canoe varies with the size of the canoe, the materials it's made of, and the quality of its construction.]]



* Zigzagged in ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' book, ''Literature/GhostStory''. While confronting Aristedes [[spoiler: Butters pretends to be a Warden. Aristedes notices that Butters doesn't have a sword, and therefore isn't a Warden. This is not actually accurate. They are currently unable to make new magic swords, so younger Wardens don't have them. Dresden notes this, but since neither Aristedes or Butters know about this, it doesn't matter that he's technically wrong.]]

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* Zigzagged in ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' book, ''Literature/GhostStory''. While confronting Aristedes [[spoiler: Butters [[spoiler:Butters pretends to be a Warden. Aristedes notices that Butters doesn't have a sword, and therefore isn't a Warden. This is not actually accurate. They are currently unable to make new magic swords, so younger Wardens don't have them. Dresden notes this, but since neither Aristedes or Butters know about this, it doesn't matter that he's technically wrong.]]
16th May '18 8:25:18 AM bitemytail
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->"''Literature/EncyclopediaBrown? What a hack! To this day, I occasionally reach into my left pocket for my keys with my right hand, just to prove that little brat wrong.''"

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->"''Literature/EncyclopediaBrown? ->"''Encyclopedia Brown? What a hack! To this day, I occasionally reach into my left pocket for my keys with my right hand, just to prove that little brat wrong.''"
24th Apr '18 7:58:16 AM TheMountainKing
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* In "Ego Trip", ''Creator/JohnByrne'' 's story in [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman]] 3D, a receipt is found that mentions delivery of "zzxjoanw" to the victim. The cops figure it must have been some garbled message to someone named "Joan". Batman, armed with encyclopedic knowledge, knows that a zzxjoanw is actually a Maori drum and deduces that the victim was a collector of obscure musical instruments. The problem is that in real life, "zzxjoanw" is actually a fictitious entry in a 1903 music encyclopedia that managed to make it into two other books of "interesting words" over the next 50+ years, and no such instrument actually exists (Maori doesn't even have the letters Z, X, and J).

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* In "Ego Trip", ''Creator/JohnByrne'' 's Creator/JohnByrne's story in [[Franchise/{{Batman}} ''[[Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman]] 3D, 3D'', a receipt is found that mentions delivery of "zzxjoanw" to the victim. The cops figure it must have been some garbled message to someone named "Joan". Batman, armed with encyclopedic knowledge, knows that a zzxjoanw is actually a Maori drum and deduces that the victim was a collector of obscure musical instruments. The problem is that in real life, "zzxjoanw" is actually a fictitious entry in a 1903 music encyclopedia that managed to make it into two other books of "interesting words" over the next 50+ years, and no such instrument actually exists (Maori doesn't even have the letters Z, X, and J).
19th Apr '18 11:50:20 AM BreadBull
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* The vital clue that solves the mystery in the novel Fatal Equilibrium doesn't work at all once the FridgeLogic sets in. [[spoiler: Canoes would necessarily have a smaller price variance only if one assumes all canoes are the same, which is a bad assumption to make when applied to non-theoretical situations. This is even worse when the protagonist makes the comparison of a hammer truck and a car. Anyone with half a brain would realize that, while the price variance of a specific make and model of car would likely be smaller than that of a hammer, cars in general have a considerably larger variance due to differences in performance, fuel efficiency, mileage, current fads, etc. This effect could actually be even more pronounced in the society under question, which did not have mass production, meaning each canoe would be unique.]]
** [[spoiler: Even in the US, a cheap canoe can be had for as little as $400, while a large Grumman can run you over $2000, ''five times'' more expensive. The price of a canoe varies with the size of the canoe, the materials it's made of, and the quality of its construction.]]

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* %% The vital clue that solves the mystery in the novel Fatal Equilibrium doesn't work at all once the FridgeLogic sets in. [[spoiler: Canoes would necessarily have a smaller price variance only if one assumes all canoes are the same, which is a bad assumption to make when applied to non-theoretical situations. This is even worse when the protagonist makes the comparison of a hammer truck and a car. Anyone with half a brain would realize that, while the price variance of a specific make and model of car would likely be smaller than that of a hammer, cars in general have a considerably larger variance due to differences in performance, fuel efficiency, mileage, current fads, etc. This effect could actually be even more pronounced in the society under question, which did not have mass production, meaning each canoe would be unique.]]
** %% [[spoiler: Even in the US, a cheap canoe can be had for as little as $400, while a large Grumman can run you over $2000, ''five times'' more expensive. The price of a canoe varies with the size of the canoe, the materials it's made of, and the quality of its construction.]]
12th Apr '18 2:21:05 PM bitemytail
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What makes the argument doubly galling is that Conan constantly travels with [[TheWatson Ran]], who is an ActionGirl who regularly punches chips of concrete off of building corners, puts sizable dents into metal poles, and kicks in doors. No one has any doubts that she is extremely strong. Yet Conan continues to use the argument that a woman is too weak to do certain tasks, ''in the presence of Ran''.
12th Apr '18 2:20:26 PM bitemytail
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Oh, for the record, it's ''male'' mules that are always infertile[[note]](as far as anyone knows)[[/note]]--[[AnthropicPrinciple but then the "clue" wouldn't work at all.]]
12th Apr '18 10:18:06 AM MathsAngelicVersion
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** The "mule" clue was used in "The Case of Molly's Mule". Sobol would later reuse this clue in an Literature/Encyclopedia Brown mystery called "The Case of the Gold Rush". The first time can be excused as a common mistake, but the second time less so.

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** The "mule" clue was used in "The Case of Molly's Mule". Sobol would later reuse this clue in an Literature/Encyclopedia Brown ''Literature/EncyclopediaBrown'' mystery called "The Case of the Gold Rush". The first time can be excused as a common mistake, but the second time less so.
18th Feb '18 7:39:48 PM Willbyr
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[[caption-width-right:350:Never mind that the girl standing directly behind him now knows the barber's name.]]
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8th Feb '18 9:06:59 PM Berrenta
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For example, a guy's alibi is that he was caring for his pregnant mule, and he is immediately revealed to be lying, since mules can't get pregnant. We've got him! To the jail! Not so fast: while they're rare, fertile female mules ''do'' exist; a mule's foal is precisely what the page image depicts. Thus, there's a problem with this "revelation": it's simply ''wrong''.

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For example, a guy's alibi is that he was caring for his pregnant mule, and he is immediately revealed to be lying, since mules can't get pregnant. We've got him! To the jail! Not so fast: while they're rare, fertile female mules ''do'' exist; a mule's foal is precisely what the page image depicts.exist. Thus, there's a problem with this "revelation": it's simply ''wrong''.
8th Feb '18 4:25:17 PM Willbyr
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[[caption-width-right:350:[[PuffOfLogic Go away]], baby mule! [[Literature/TwoMinuteMysteries Donald Sobol says you're impossible]].]]
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