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15th Jan '18 10:41:14 AM RacattackForce
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* ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and its successor ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'', as a series when compared to ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}''. Despite being said to be direct sequels, many consider ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' to be a [[AlternateContinuity different continuity]] from the original series. This is due to the characters not simply being older but [[NotAsYouKnowThem appearing to be entirely different people]] ('''especially''' Kevin). It also contradicts many things in the past series, [[AuthorsSavingThrow some getting]] [[AllThereInTheManual explained away]], [[{{Retcon}} others not.]] And then many fans were outraged by the following sequel ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' that attempts to feel more like the original show... which works for some fans of the original, but ironically hasn't for many others who felt that ''Omniverse'' had gone too overboard in the DenserAndWackier department.

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* ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and its successor ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'', as a series when compared to ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}''. Despite being said to be direct sequels, many consider ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' to be a [[AlternateContinuity different continuity]] from the original series. This is due to the characters not simply being older but [[NotAsYouKnowThem appearing to be entirely different people]] ('''especially''' Kevin). It also contradicts many things in the past series, [[AuthorsSavingThrow some getting]] [[AllThereInTheManual explained away]], [[{{Retcon}} others not.]] And then many fans were outraged by the following sequel ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' that attempts which attempted to feel more like the original show... which works worked for some fans of the original, but ironically hasn't didn't for many others who felt that ''Omniverse'' had gone too overboard in the DenserAndWackier department.department. The [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 2016 reboot]] receives the same criticisms.
6th Jan '18 2:41:39 PM patriciovalencia117
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** ''Film/RogueOne'': A refreshing change of pace for focusing on MugglesDoItBetter, showing the brutality of the early Rebellion, going GrayAndGrayMorality, and addressing many of Creator/DavidBrin's and Chris Avellone's criticisms of the franchise, or a joyless slog with an underbaked cast of characters, some hamhanded attempts to shoehorn OscarBait tropes into a Star Wars film, and a KillEmAll ending that subverts the whole MugglesDoItBetter concept so that the cast really are nothing more than {{RedShirt}}s?
** While most professional critics were pleased with ''Film/TheLastJedi'', which aimed to address the criticisms over the "formulaic" nature of ''The Force Awakens'' by changing the formula in many different ways, fans are heavily divided on whether or not it succeeded in its objective, as well as whether or not the means of doing so were the most appropiate.

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** ''Film/RogueOne'': A refreshing change of pace for focusing on MugglesDoItBetter, showing the brutality of the early Rebellion, going GrayAndGrayMorality, and addressing many of Creator/DavidBrin's and Chris Avellone's criticisms of the franchise, or a joyless slog with an underbaked cast of characters, some hamhanded attempts to shoehorn OscarBait tropes into a Star Wars film, and a KillEmAll ending that subverts the whole MugglesDoItBetter concept so that the cast really are nothing more than {{RedShirt}}s?
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** While most professional critics were pleased with ''Film/TheLastJedi'', which aimed to address the criticisms over the "formulaic" nature of ''The Force Awakens'' by changing the formula in many different ways, fans are heavily divided on whether or not it succeeded in its objective, as well as whether or not the means of doing so were the most appropiate.appropriate. Supporters (including [[ApprovalOfGod George Lucas]]) believe the film to be an EvenBetterSequel to ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', taking the strengths of that film and improving on it with a more original plot, better CharacterDevelopment, and strong performances. Detractors feel it's weighed down by pacing issues and poor handling of Finn and Poe's respective subplots. The direction of Luke Skywalker's character has also been extremely controversial, with some feeling Luke's actions in the film are out of character and the movie did a disservice to the original hero of ''Franchise/StarWars'', while others believe the darker take is more interesting and fits well with the movie's theme of overcoming failure.
1st Jan '18 3:32:56 AM Sleeping_Beauty
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* There is an ever on-gong internet debate raging between which is better out of ''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark'' and ''Film/JurassicPark3''. Whether it is deciding which one is the superior follow-up or the lesser of two evils. Though there is a good number of people who like both, and many still who like neither. Largely, neither being rated as highly as the original. Though both have been given points in terms of their action sequences and special effects. The former is either a far too bloated, sluggishly paced, and overly-preachy follow-up with a bland assortment of characters or it is a worthy enough follow-up that ambitiously and organically expands on the story/scope of the original film ''Jurassic Park 3'' is either an uninspired and silly follow-up with too thin of a story and annoying characters of its own, or it is essentially a fun "roller coaster ride" of a film that benefits from a back-to-basics approach and moves briskly. Each film's veteran leading man from the original film, Creator/JeffGoldblum in ''The Lost World'' and Creator/SamNeill in ''Jurassic Park 3'', are also used as points of praise to their respective movies.

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* There is an ever on-gong internet debate raging between which is better out of ''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark'' and ''Film/JurassicPark3''.''Film/JurassicParkIII''. Whether it is deciding which one is the superior follow-up or the lesser of two evils. Though there is a good number of people who like both, and many still who like neither. Largely, neither being rated as highly as the original. Though both have been given points in terms of their action sequences and special effects. The former is either a far too bloated, sluggishly paced, and overly-preachy follow-up with a bland assortment of characters or it is a worthy enough follow-up that ambitiously and organically expands on the story/scope of the original film ''Jurassic Park 3'' is either an uninspired and silly follow-up with too thin of a story and annoying characters of its own, or it is essentially a fun "roller coaster ride" of a film that benefits from a back-to-basics approach and moves briskly. Each film's veteran leading man from the original film, Creator/JeffGoldblum in ''The Lost World'' and Creator/SamNeill in ''Jurassic Park 3'', III'', are also used as points of praise to their respective movies.
28th Dec '17 11:34:21 AM StardustSoldier
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* ''Film/SawIII''. It amps up the gore and the {{Squick}} considerably from the first two, to levels that are not seen elsewhere in the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' series. There is much debate over whether or not this is a good thing. ''Much'' debate. It didn't stop there. Even after ''Saw III'', ''four'' more sequels were made, all of which contain even more horrific imagery that either drove fans away or gained more {{Nightmare Fetishist}}s. Some people still love the series from start to finish, while others [[FanonDisContinuity immediately stopped watching]] after the third film, for obvious reasons.

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* ''Film/SawIII''. It amps up the gore and the {{Squick}} considerably from the first two, to levels that are not seen elsewhere in the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' series. There is much debate over whether or not this is a good thing. ''Much'' debate. It didn't stop there. Even after ''Saw III'', ''four'' more sequels were made, all of which contain even more horrific imagery that either drove fans away or gained more {{Nightmare Fetishist}}s. Some people still love the series from start to finish, while others [[FanonDisContinuity immediately stopped watching]] after the third film, for obvious reasons.
25th Dec '17 4:52:30 PM Psi001
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* Some will argue that ''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTailFievelGoesWest'' is better than the first movie because it's [[LighterAndSofter not as depressing]] and it spends more time developing secondary characters, plus, you know, it has Creator/JohnCleese playing a villain. Others would argue that making the movie LighterAndSofter completely took away what made the first movie so great in the first place.

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* Some will argue that Fans of ''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTailFievelGoesWest'' argue it is better than the first movie because it's [[LighterAndSofter not as depressing]] relentlessly dark]] and it spends more time developing heavy focus on the secondary characters, plus, you know, it has characters offers a more memorable supporting cast (including Creator/JohnCleese playing a villain. Others would villain). Fans of the original argue that making the movie LighterAndSofter completely took away what made the first movie so great in the first place.place. That the sequel lacked Don Bluth's involvement and feels radically different in art style and tone doesn't help.
25th Dec '17 4:10:23 PM MyFinalEdits
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** ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is the OddballInTheSeries due to changing the gameplay from ShootEmUp to ActionAdventure, didn't please the fans of ''64''. Going by its own merits though, the game is also quite divisive as it is a rather blatant ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' clone, which naturally leads to a good amount of fans and detractors. Critically-speaking, the game actually did rather well, but it still gets demonized as the the entry that marked the series' decline.

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** ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is the OddballInTheSeries due to changing the gameplay from ShootEmUp to ActionAdventure, didn't please the fans of ''64''. Going by its own merits though, the game is also quite divisive as it is a rather blatant ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' clone, which naturally leads to a good amount of fans and detractors. Critically-speaking, the game actually did rather well, but it still gets demonized as the the entry that marked the series' decline.
24th Dec '17 5:05:06 PM Drope
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** ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is the OddballInTheSeries due to changing the gameplay from ShootEmUp to ActionAdventure, didn't please the fans of ''64''. Going by its own merits though, the game is also quite divisive as it is a rather blatant Zelda clone, which naturally leads to a good amount of fans and detractors. Critically-speaking, the game actually did rather well, but it still gets demonized as the the entry that marked the series' decline.

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** ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is the OddballInTheSeries due to changing the gameplay from ShootEmUp to ActionAdventure, didn't please the fans of ''64''. Going by its own merits though, the game is also quite divisive as it is a rather blatant Zelda ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' clone, which naturally leads to a good amount of fans and detractors. Critically-speaking, the game actually did rather well, but it still gets demonized as the the entry that marked the series' decline.
24th Dec '17 5:01:02 PM Drope
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** ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is the OddballInTheSeries due to changing the gameplay from ShootEmUp to ActionAdventure, didn't please the fans of ''64''. Going by its own merits though, the game is also quite divisive due to being a very blatant Zelda clone, a fact that naturally leads to a good amount of fans and detractors. Critically-speaking, the game actually did rather well, but it still gets demonized as the the entry that marked the series' decline.

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** ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is the OddballInTheSeries due to changing the gameplay from ShootEmUp to ActionAdventure, didn't please the fans of ''64''. Going by its own merits though, the game is also quite divisive due to being as it is a very rather blatant Zelda clone, a fact that which naturally leads to a good amount of fans and detractors. Critically-speaking, the game actually did rather well, but it still gets demonized as the the entry that marked the series' decline.
24th Dec '17 4:58:49 PM Drope
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** ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is the OddballInTheSeries due to changing the gameplay from ShootEmUp to ActionAdventure, didn't please the fans of ''64''. Going by its own merits though, the game is also quite divisive due to being a very blatant Zelda clone, a fact that naturally leads to a good amount of fans and detractors. Critically-speaking, the game actually did rather well, but it still gets demonized as the the entry that marked the series' decline.
19th Dec '17 11:14:02 PM FGHIK
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Sometimes there's a {{sequel}} that attempts to address complaints fans had with the original, or build upon the original's perceived strengths. Sometimes, in its attempt to do so, though, it may lose track of what made the original so great for many. If that happens, there may be [[BrokenBase a huge split in the fanbase]], with some fans saying that the sequel is [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel an excellent improvement]], with others saying that the sequel's improvements {{ Sequelitis aren't worth the other changes made}}. This can result in large flame wars when someone who prefers the original argues with those who consider the sequel to be superior.

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Sometimes there's a {{sequel}} that attempts to address complaints fans had with the original, or build upon the original's perceived strengths. Sometimes, in its attempt to do so, though, it may lose track of what made the original so great for many. If that happens, there may be [[BrokenBase a huge split in the fanbase]], with some fans saying that the sequel is [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel an excellent improvement]], with others saying that the sequel's improvements {{ Sequelitis [[{{Sequelitis}} aren't worth the other changes made}}.made]]. This can result in large flame wars when someone who prefers the original argues with those who consider the sequel to be superior.
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