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20th Sep '17 1:15:43 PM mrbits
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** ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':

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20th Sep '17 1:11:17 PM mrbits
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* There are exactly three camps the fandom has taken to in regards to ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM''. It is either:
** The first true ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'' game in 3D rather than some wonky [=FPS=] like the ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'' series, and a fun throwback to the old classics like ''Metroid II'' and ''VideoGame/SuperMetroid''.
** An average game with fun but flawed gameplay and a lackluster story, which had a lot of potential but didn't live up to the higher points of the series like ''Super Metroid'' or ''Metroid Prime''.
** Easily the worst game in the series, being overly linear with nonsensical additions added to the classic formula, horrible voice acting, and an insulting and sexist plot completely at odds with the rest of TheVerse.
12th Sep '17 7:27:41 PM 64SuperNintendo
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12th Sep '17 3:12:47 PM emperors
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** And then ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribeanDeadMenTellNoTales'' showed up. Some are panning it as the worst, as being out of fresh story ideas and for continuity errors with previous installments. Others believe it is not so bad, actually does have some creative elements, and also like how it returned more to the story-arcs of the original trilogy.

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** And then ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribeanDeadMenTellNoTales'' ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanDeadMenTellNoTales'' showed up. Some are panning it as the worst, as being out of fresh story ideas and for continuity errors with previous installments. Others believe it is not so bad, actually does have some creative elements, and also like how it returned more to the story-arcs of the original trilogy.
28th Aug '17 10:40:21 PM ADrago
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** ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld'': While not the first direct sequel to a ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' game, is probably the most well-known, given that it continues the events of [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia the game that made the series popular and well-known to Western audiences.]] Some people enjoyed new characters Emil and Marta, the {{deconstruction}} of what happens after the goals of the previous game were achieved, and seeing their old favorite characters come back to kick ass. Some ''other'' people hate it for Emil and Marta, the reuse of the first game's locations, the {{Mon}}s system, and [[SpotlightStealingSquad their old favorite characters not getting enough screen time]]. [[LoveItOrHateIt There is no middle ground.]] DOTNW also gets a lot of hate for the fact that the old characters stop gaining levels at certain point, much earlier then Emil and Marta, forcing you to always rely on Emil and Marta and the monsters you recruit.

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** ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphoniaDawnOfTheNewWorld'': While not the first direct sequel to a ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' game, is probably the most well-known, given that it continues the events of [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia the game that made the series popular and well-known to Western audiences.]] Some people enjoyed new characters Emil and Marta, the {{deconstruction}} of what happens after the goals of the previous game were achieved, and seeing their old favorite characters come back to kick ass. Some ''other'' people hate it for Emil and Marta, the reuse of the first game's locations, the {{Mon}}s system, and [[SpotlightStealingSquad their old favorite characters not getting enough screen time]]. [[LoveItOrHateIt There is no middle ground.]] ground. DOTNW also gets a lot of hate for the fact that the old characters stop gaining levels at certain point, much earlier then Emil and Marta, forcing you to always rely on Emil and Marta and the monsters you recruit.



** Any console game that [[ToughActToFollow follows]] ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' is immediately LoveItOrHateIt among fans and gamers. ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]'', for example, was not widely liked at the time of its release for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks being too different]] from ''Ocarina of Time'' ([[DarkerAndEdgier and darker]]) but some fans consider it the best game in the series. The subsequent games, ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]]'', went as far as causing a BrokenBase, as the former departed from the overworld mechanics and changed the visuals to cel-shading, while the latter followed the more traditional conventions, both to praise and criticism.

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** Any console game that [[ToughActToFollow follows]] ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' is immediately LoveItOrHateIt divisive among fans and gamers. ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]'', for example, was not widely liked at the time of its release for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks being too different]] from ''Ocarina of Time'' ([[DarkerAndEdgier and darker]]) but some fans consider it the best game in the series. The subsequent games, ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]]'', went as far as causing a BrokenBase, as the former departed from the overworld mechanics and changed the visuals to cel-shading, while the latter followed the more traditional conventions, both to praise and criticism.



* VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin is the most [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizaring]] instalment in the "Sands Of Time" trilogy. While the combat mechanics was improved and more time based powers were added, the game got rid off the arabian nights atmosphere of [[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheSandsOfTime its predecessor]] in favor of an extremely DarkerAndEdgier one. The huge contrast between the characterization of the prince in the first game and in the second one in which he might predated [[VideoGame/GodOfWarSeries Kratos]] was a big turn off for some. The third game ''VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheTwoThrones'' fixed this by making it somewhat a compromise to the tone of the two games. Then again that later game was a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel for those who hated ''Warrior Within'' or weaker for its fans.

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* VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin is the most [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizaring]] instalment polarizing installment in the "Sands Of Time" trilogy. While the combat mechanics was improved and more time based powers were added, the game got rid off the arabian nights atmosphere of [[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheSandsOfTime its predecessor]] in favor of an extremely DarkerAndEdgier one. The huge contrast between the characterization of the prince in the first game and in the second one in which he might predated [[VideoGame/GodOfWarSeries Kratos]] was a big turn off for some. The third game ''VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheTwoThrones'' fixed this by making it somewhat a compromise to the tone of the two games. Then again that later game was a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel for those who hated ''Warrior Within'' or weaker for its fans.
22nd Aug '17 7:38:42 PM SpinAttaxx
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* Every ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' saga after the original series: Advance for replacing Misty and having Ash [[PutOnABus leave all older Pokemon sans Pikachu]] with Oak. Sinnoh, for ArcFatigue, replacing May and Max, introducing Paul, one of the biggest {{Base Breaking Character}}s in the franchise's history, and the blandness of the rivals. Unova, for replacing Dawn and Brock, [[TheWorfEffect giving Ash more losses]], and a bigger team, and rushed pacing. And Kalos, for replacing Cilan and Iris, getting bogged down with {{Filler}} early on, and a perceived one-sided RomanticPlotTumor between Serena and [[ObliviousToLove Ash.]]

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Every ''{{Anime/Pokemon}}'' saga after the original series: Advance series is disputed. In order: ''Advanced'' for replacing Misty and having Ash [[PutOnABus leave all older Pokemon Pokémon sans Pikachu]] with Oak. Sinnoh, Oak; ''D/P'' for ArcFatigue, replacing May and Max, introducing Paul, one of the biggest {{Base Breaking Character}}s in the franchise's history, and the blandness of the rivals. Unova, rivals; ''B/W'' for replacing Dawn and Brock, Brock (noticing a trend yet?), [[TheWorfEffect giving Ash more losses]], losses]] and a bigger team, team (with less characterisation as a result), and rushed pacing. And Kalos, pacing; ''X/Y'' for replacing Cilan and Iris, getting bogged down with {{Filler}} {{filler}} early on, and a perceived one-sided RomanticPlotTumor between Serena and [[ObliviousToLove Ash.]]Ash]]; and ''S/M'' for replacing Serena, Clemont and Bonnie, switching to a very different art style and character designs, and [[GenreShift shifting from a land-trotting adventure to a slice-of-life school show]].
** Much like the series itself, almost every movie after [[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie the first]] is contested for one reason or another, so for brevity's sake not all of them will be listed. One notable example, however, is ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened''. Many, many people hate it for [[ReplacementScrappy using a brand new Mewtwo]] over the established and popular one from the aforementioned first movie, recycling a lot of elements from previous movies (especially glaring in Mewtwo's origin, which is nearly identical to the original's), and many more reasons.[[labelnote:*]]It doesn't help that this is one of the few movies to be acknowledged as canon in the series itself, alongside the first one.[[/labelnote]] That said, there are those who look past the Mewtwo controversy and see the movie as, if not ''good'', then at least not as horrible as the detractors make it out to be.
21st Aug '17 11:44:25 AM Darthman616
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** And then ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribeanDeadMenTellNoTales'' showed up. Some are panning it as the worst, as being out of fresh story ideas and for continuity errors with previous installments. Others believe it is not so bad, actually does have some creative elements, and also like how it returned more to the story-arcs of the original trilogy.
19th Aug '17 8:15:31 PM FireCrawler2002
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** Though still considered a good game, ''VideoGame/WarioLand4'' is more divisive than the titles before it. This is mainly because it makes Wario able to be killed again, there are fewer transformations he can go into, it makes every level a time-trial mission to escape before it explodes, it becomes mandatory to find every single treasure to beat the game, and it is much shorter in length than the previous titles.

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** Though still considered a good game, ''VideoGame/WarioLand4'' is more divisive than the titles before it. This is mainly because it makes Wario able to be killed again, there are fewer transformations he can go into, it makes every level a time-trial mission to escape before it explodes, it becomes mandatory to find every single treasure to beat the game, the level designs go back to the more linear ones of the first two games, and it is much shorter in length than the previous titles.
19th Aug '17 8:11:18 PM MyFinalEdits
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** '' Breath of the Wild'' isn't exempt from this. It's defenders praise the open world, non-linearity and story concept. Detractors claim that non-linearity adversely affected the quality of dungeons, enemy diversity, story execution and characterisation. The inclusion of voice acting (and its quality) is also hotly debated.

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** '' Breath ''Breath of the Wild'' isn't exempt from this. It's Its defenders praise the visuals, open world, non-linearity and story concept. Detractors claim that non-linearity adversely affected the quality of dungeons, enemy diversity, story execution and characterisation. The inclusion of voice acting (and its quality) is also hotly debated.
19th Aug '17 7:30:51 PM FireCrawler2002
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** ''VideoGame/WarioLand3'' has become one, primarily due to the Metroidvania style of its gameplay unlike the more linear style of the other games in the series and several [[ScrappyMechanic Scrappy Mechanics]], particularly the Golf minigame. Some think the execution, pacing and progression are a downgrade from the other games in the series, while others still consider it an overall improvement over ''VideoGame/WarioLandII'' and the best game in the series.

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** ''VideoGame/WarioLand3'' has become one, primarily due to the Metroidvania style of its gameplay unlike the more linear style of the other games in the series ''VideoGame/WarioLandII'' and several [[ScrappyMechanic Scrappy Mechanics]], particularly the Golf minigame. Some think the execution, pacing and progression are a downgrade from the other games in the series, II, while others still consider it an overall improvement over ''VideoGame/WarioLandII'' II and the best game in the series.
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