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30th May '16 12:27:10 PM Kid
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19th Dec '15 12:41:07 PM Jeduthun
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A SubTrope of SelfDeprecation, and the dishonest, manipulative [[SisterTrope little sister]] of [[HeroicSelfDeprecation the heroic form]]. Compare and contrast SuspiciouslySpecificDenial.

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It can also set up a very effective StealthInsult if the target [[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne only objects to]] ''[[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne one]]'' [[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne of the putdowns the compliment fisher makes]], implying they think all the others are valid points. ("I'm a bad writer, I'm ugly, and nobody likes me!" "That's not true; your writing isn't bad.")

A SubTrope of SelfDeprecation, and the dishonest, manipulative [[SisterTrope little sister]] of [[HeroicSelfDeprecation the heroic form]]. Compare and contrast SuspiciouslySpecificDenial.
SuspiciouslySpecificDenial. If two people try this at once, it can lead to OuthumblingEachOther.



By the way... You don't have to bother editing this page. I know you don't really want to. It's OK, there are [[NeedsWikiMagicLove much better pages on the wiki]] for you to spend your time with....

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By the way... You don't have to bother editing this page. I know you don't really want to. It's OK, there are [[NeedsWikiMagicLove much better pages on the wiki]] for you to spend your time with....
with, I understand if you think this one is a waste...
19th Dec '15 12:25:00 PM Jeduthun
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This is a common tactic of the ShrinkingViolet - or, at least, the writers who make her say these things. Presumably they think it's endearing. Subtle {{Attention Whore}}s also love this trope, as it lets them bask in pity-praise without having to directly toot their own horn.

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This is a common tactic of the ShrinkingViolet - or, at least, the writers who make her say these things. Presumably they think it's endearing. Subtle {{Attention Whore}}s also love this trope, as it lets them bask in pity-praise without having to directly toot their own horn.
horn. It's also a good strategic move in PassiveAggressiveKombat and PolitenessJudo.



By the way... You don't have to bother editing this page. I know you don't really want to. It's OK, there are much better pages on [[ThisVeryWiki the wiki]] for you to spend your time with....

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By the way... You don't have to bother editing this page. I know you don't really want to. It's OK, there are [[NeedsWikiMagicLove much better pages on [[ThisVeryWiki the wiki]] for you to spend your time with....



* H. P. Lovecraft was forever deprecating his own work, usually in letters to his friends, but also in the submission letter he wrote the first time he submitted his work to a paying magazine! One cannot help feeling he was hoping to be contradicted... after all, if he really thought his ability was so low, why did he hire himself out rewriting other authors' works?

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* H. P. Lovecraft Creator/HPLovecraft was forever deprecating his own work, usually in letters to his friends, but also in the submission letter he wrote the first time he submitted his work to a paying magazine! One cannot help feeling he was hoping to be contradicted... after all, if he really thought his ability was so low, why did he hire himself out rewriting other authors' works?
19th Dec '15 11:10:03 AM Jeduthun
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This can [[ComplimentBackfire backfire]] very badly for the compliment fisher if people respond by ''agreeing'' with them. ("It's ok, we love you even though you're a bad writer.") If someone does that on purpose, it's probably a form of BackhandedCompliment.

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This can [[ComplimentBackfire backfire]] very badly for the compliment fisher if people respond by ''agreeing'' ''[[GoneHorriblyRight agreeing]]'' with them. ("It's ok, we love you even though you're a bad writer.") If someone does that on purpose, it's probably a form of BackhandedCompliment.


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* It's something of a RunningGag on the Internet for a person to post a sexy picture of themselves with a self-deprecating comment, only for everyone to [[ComplimentBackfire respond]] with lavish praise on [[NotDistractedByTheSexy some insignificant item in the background]]. Notably, that's how the [[MemeticMutation "Get Out" Frog meme]] got its start when people found it in [[http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/088/535/frog.jpg this picture]], never mind about the model!
17th Dec '15 1:56:21 PM StFan
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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'' Diamante is constantly fishing for compliments from [[Main/TheChessmaster Doflamingo]] to a [[Main/UpToEleven ridiculous extent.]] Doflamingo goes along with it, possibly to [[Main/ManipulativeBastard better motivate Diamante.]]

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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'' ''Manga/OnePiece'', Diamante is constantly fishing for compliments from [[Main/TheChessmaster [[TheChessmaster Doflamingo]] to a [[Main/UpToEleven [[UpToEleven ridiculous extent.]] Doflamingo goes along with it, possibly to [[Main/ManipulativeBastard [[ManipulativeBastard better motivate Diamante.]]
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* "Mary Jane she set at the head of the table, with Susan alongside of her, and said how bad the biscuits was and how ornery and tough the fried chicken was-and all that kind of rot, the way women always do for the force out compliments..." -- ''Literature/HuckleberryFinn''
* ''Literature/TheJoyLuckClub'': A girl brings her oh-so-very American fiance home to meet her oh-so-very Chinese family. She forgot to brief him on the Chinese-mother tactic of bringing out their best dish garnished with lots of self-depreciation. He protests that her dish is delicious...
--> Fiance: "It just needs a little sauce!" [Pours soy sauce all over the dish]
--> Family: [Appalled silence]

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* ''Literature/HuckleberryFinn'': "Mary Jane she set at the head of the table, with Susan alongside of her, and said how bad the biscuits was and how ornery and tough the fried chicken was-and all that kind of rot, the way women always do for the force out compliments..." -- ''Literature/HuckleberryFinn''
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* ''Literature/TheJoyLuckClub'': A girl brings her oh-so-very American fiance fiancé home to meet her oh-so-very Chinese family. She forgot to brief him on the Chinese-mother tactic of bringing out their best dish garnished with lots of self-depreciation. He protests that her dish is delicious...
--> Fiance: "It -->'''Fiance:''' It just needs a little sauce!" [Pours (''Pours soy sauce all over the dish]
--> Family:
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* In the ''Series/{{Beetlejuice}}'' episode "Beauty And The Beetle," Lydia starts feeling self-conscious after seeing a series of beauty aid commercials on TV. She asks Beetlejuice "Am I ugly?" After skirting the issue with his usual wisecracks, B.J. finally assures Lydia "You're not even ''pretty'' ugly!"

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* In the ''Series/{{Beetlejuice}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Beetlejuice}}'' episode "Beauty And The Beetle," Lydia starts feeling self-conscious after seeing a series of beauty aid commercials on TV. She asks Beetlejuice "Am I ugly?" After skirting the issue with his usual wisecracks, B.J. finally assures Lydia "You're not even ''pretty'' ugly!"



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* H P Lovecraft was forever deprecating his own work, usually in letters to his friends, but also in the submission letter he wrote the first time he submitted his work to a paying magazine! One cannot help feeling he was hoping to be contradicted... after all, if he really thought his ability was so low, why did he hire himself out rewriting other authors' works?

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* H P H. P. Lovecraft was forever deprecating his own work, usually in letters to his friends, but also in the submission letter he wrote the first time he submitted his work to a paying magazine! One cannot help feeling he was hoping to be contradicted... after all, if he really thought his ability was so low, why did he hire himself out rewriting other authors' works?
works?
23rd Nov '15 9:36:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''BillAndTedsBogusJourney'', the GrimReaper of all people starts fishing for compliments, clearly jealous of the praise B&T are heaping on Station, the Martian genius. At one point Death thoroughly {{Squick}}s the boys by trying to get them to compliment his ass.

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* In ''BillAndTedsBogusJourney'', ''Film/BillAndTedsBogusJourney'', the GrimReaper of all people starts fishing for compliments, clearly jealous of the praise B&T are heaping on Station, the Martian genius. At one point Death thoroughly {{Squick}}s the boys by trying to get them to compliment his ass.



* In ''SquidsWillBeSquids'', one of the fables has pigeon doing that. She gets eaten, but really, she had it coming.
* "Mary Jane she set at the head of the table, with Susan alongside of her, and said how bad the biscuits was and how ornery and tough the fried chicken was-and all that kind of rot, the way women always do for the force out compliments..." -- ''HuckleberryFinn''

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* In ''SquidsWillBeSquids'', ''Literature/SquidsWillBeSquids'', one of the fables has pigeon doing that. She gets eaten, but really, she had it coming.
* "Mary Jane she set at the head of the table, with Susan alongside of her, and said how bad the biscuits was and how ornery and tough the fried chicken was-and all that kind of rot, the way women always do for the force out compliments..." -- ''HuckleberryFinn''''Literature/HuckleberryFinn''



* ''FatherTed'': Mrs Doyle tells Ted his voice is gorgeous, and he plays it down, clearly loving it. When she asks him to sing something else and he obliges with ''Paris In The Spring'', it backfires when she suddenly decides his version was "catastrophic".
* ''InTheLoop'': Karen Clark jokes to Chad "you might be Secretary of State one day, young man!" Chad doesn't realise it's a joke and says "Don't say that if you don't mean it."
* In the ''{{Friends}}'' episode "The One With Joey's New Girlfriend", Chandler confesses to the other friends that he has feelings for Kathy, and caps it off with, "I'm a horrible person." He then looks at the others expectantly, and upon getting no reaction, adds, "No, you're not, Chandler, we still love you, Chandler".

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* ''FatherTed'': ''Series/FatherTed'': Mrs Doyle tells Ted his voice is gorgeous, and he plays it down, clearly loving it. When she asks him to sing something else and he obliges with ''Paris In The Spring'', it backfires when she suddenly decides his version was "catastrophic".
* ''InTheLoop'': ''Series/InTheLoop'': Karen Clark jokes to Chad "you might be Secretary of State one day, young man!" Chad doesn't realise it's a joke and says "Don't say that if you don't mean it."
* In the ''{{Friends}}'' ''Series/{{Friends}}'' episode "The One With Joey's New Girlfriend", Chandler confesses to the other friends that he has feelings for Kathy, and caps it off with, "I'm a horrible person." He then looks at the others expectantly, and upon getting no reaction, adds, "No, you're not, Chandler, we still love you, Chandler".



* Blanche tries this on Stanley in ''AStreetcarNamedDesire''. [[BrutalHonesty It doesn't work]], though he's not outright rude about it, either: "Your looks are okay."

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* Blanche tries this on Stanley in ''AStreetcarNamedDesire''.''Theatre/AStreetcarNamedDesire''. [[BrutalHonesty It doesn't work]], though he's not outright rude about it, either: "Your looks are okay."
3rd Nov '15 6:28:36 AM Jeduthun
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This can [[ComplimentBackfire backfire]] very badly for the compliment fisher if people respond by ''agreeing'' with them. ("It's ok, we love you even though you're ugly.") If someone does that on purpose, it's probably a form of BackhandedCompliment.

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This can [[ComplimentBackfire backfire]] very badly for the compliment fisher if people respond by ''agreeing'' with them. ("It's ok, we love you even though you're ugly.a bad writer.") If someone does that on purpose, it's probably a form of BackhandedCompliment.
3rd Nov '15 6:26:17 AM Jeduthun
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This can [[ComplimentBackfire backfire]] very badly for the compliment fisher if people respond by ''agreeing'' with them. ("It's ok, we love you even though you're ugly.") If someone does that on purpose, it's probably a form of BackhandedCompliment.
3rd Nov '15 6:18:45 AM Jeduthun
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Then, just sit back and watch the sympathy and back-pats roll in. Of course, [[DismissingACompliment you can disparge the first ones as insincere to really get them rolling.]]

This is a common tactic of the ShrinkingViolet - or, at least, the writers who make her say these things. I suppose they think it's endearing. Subtle {{Attention Whore}}s also love this trope, as it lets them bask in pity-praise without having to directly toot their own horn.

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Then, just sit back and watch the sympathy and back-pats roll in. Of course, [[DismissingACompliment you can disparge disparage the first ones as insincere to really get them rolling.]]

This is a common tactic of the ShrinkingViolet - or, at least, the writers who make her say these things. I suppose Presumably they think it's endearing. Subtle {{Attention Whore}}s also love this trope, as it lets them bask in pity-praise without having to directly toot their own horn.



By the way... You don't have to bother editing this page. I know you don't really want to.

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27th Oct '15 2:50:36 PM Jeduthun
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A SubTrope of SelfDeprecation, and the dishonest, manipulative [[SisterTrope little sister]] of [[HeroicSelfDeprecation the heroic form]].

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A SubTrope of SelfDeprecation, and the dishonest, manipulative [[SisterTrope little sister]] of [[HeroicSelfDeprecation the heroic form]].
form]]. Compare and contrast SuspiciouslySpecificDenial.
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