History Main / Commieland

22nd May '16 2:38:58 PM Tromboneman
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In Eastern Bloc portrayals during the ColdWar, Commie Lands will undoubtedly be portrayed as flawless considering that media workers in the nation could easily get in trouble for creating anything that resembled dissent. Post ColdWar, the ex Eastern Bloc countries will portray their former regimes as heartless dictatorships, or if WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell is in effect, regimes that had a good idea but squandered to bring it into fruition. (GoodByeLenin is a great example of this kind of portrayal.)

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In Eastern Bloc portrayals during the ColdWar, Commie Lands will undoubtedly be portrayed as flawless considering that media workers in the nation could easily get in trouble for creating anything that resembled dissent. Post ColdWar, the ex Eastern Bloc countries will portray their former regimes as heartless dictatorships, or if WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell is in effect, regimes that had a good idea but squandered to bring it into fruition. (GoodByeLenin (Film/GoodByeLenin is a great example of this kind of portrayal.)
5th Apr '16 9:36:07 PM Fireblood
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* ''CrimsonSkies'' has the [[DividedStatesOfAmerica successor state]] The People's Collective (covering most of the territory of former Iowa). The name is kind of a giveaway. [[DeconstructorFleet In a slight twist]], it's ruled by a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot ''Christian'' communist regime]].

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* ''CrimsonSkies'' has the [[DividedStatesOfAmerica successor state]] The People's Collective (covering most of the territory of former Iowa). The name is kind of a giveaway. [[DeconstructorFleet In a slight twist]], it's ruled by a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot ''Christian'' communist regime]].
regime]] (Christian communism is a real thing, but has never really caught on beyond small communities).



* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}}, UsefulNotes/{{Benin}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}, Congo-Brazzavile, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Ethiopia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Eritrea}}, UsefulNotes/{{Gabon}}, Guinea, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mozambique}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, Tanzania, Togo, and [[UsefulNotes/{{Yemen}} South Yemen]]) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression for capitalist audiences or adherence to Marxist theory for communist audiences) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like. The USSR was very developed on the other hand, but not as politically liberal as other Eastern Bloc states.
** UsefulNotes/{{Yugoslavia}} was an odd case; it was not a part of the Warsaw Pact or had a close relationship with the Soviet Union (it's part of the Non-Aligned Movement), and the country was rather socially and politically liberal (it maintained healthy relations with capitalist countries and some more freedoms to its people were granted within). However, their rule was also dominated by the Communist Party (which it masked by rotating their leaders, unlike the Soviet Union) and most people still associated it as Communist anyway although it's interesting to note that much of the economy relied on co-ops and self management, which Titoists claim was the closest implementation of Marx's vision in existance. Not helping is it being located in a sea of commies and it being majority Slavic ([[CriticalResearchFailure in public's mindset: Slavs = Commies]]). Then there's the case of UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars...
* Today, this trope can apply to UsefulNotes/{{China}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cuba}}, UsefulNotes/{{Laos}}, UsefulNotes/NorthKorea, and, UsefulNotes/{{Vietnam}}, though all except for North Korea (which ironically is the only one having dropped the Commie label in favor of Juche, which political theorists believe is more akin to fascism given its adherence to Korean racial supremacy) have adopted quasi-market economies, with varying degrees of success and implementation. China for example, has been called state capitalist since it underwent reform after Mao to create a massive market economy with the Communist party at full control while Cuban markets are dominated by the state with some worker controlled co-ops to form an unremarkable economy, but still managing to score very high on the Human Development Index. As for North Korea...well, there's a reason that Creator/ChristopherHitchens called it the most true-to-the-book [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour Oceania]] to ever exist in the whole universe...

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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}}, UsefulNotes/{{Benin}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}, Congo-Brazzavile, Congo-Brazzaville, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Ethiopia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Eritrea}}, UsefulNotes/{{Gabon}}, Guinea, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mozambique}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, Tanzania, Togo, and [[UsefulNotes/{{Yemen}} South Yemen]]) were this. What The degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression for capitalist audiences or adherence to Marxist theory for communist audiences) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like. The USSR was very developed on the other hand, but not as politically liberal as other Eastern Bloc states.
** UsefulNotes/{{Yugoslavia}} was an odd case; it was not a part of the Warsaw Pact or nor had a close relationship with the Soviet Union (it's (it was part of the Non-Aligned Movement), and the country was rather socially and politically liberal (it maintained healthy relations with capitalist countries and some more greater freedoms to for its people were granted within). However, their rule the government was also dominated still controlled by the Communist Party (which it masked by rotating their leaders, unlike the Soviet Union) and most people still associated it as Communist anyway although it's interesting to note that much of the economy relied on co-ops and self management, self-management, which Titoists claim was the closest implementation of Marx's vision in existance. existence. Not helping is it being located in a sea of commies and it being majority Slavic ([[CriticalResearchFailure in the public's mindset: mind Slavs = Commies]]). Then there's the case of UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars...
UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars that erupted after it broke up...
* Today, this trope can apply to UsefulNotes/{{China}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cuba}}, UsefulNotes/{{Laos}}, UsefulNotes/NorthKorea, and, UsefulNotes/{{Vietnam}}, though all except for North Korea (which ironically is the only one having dropped the Commie label in favor of Juche, which political theorists believe is more akin to fascism given its adherence to Korean racial supremacy) have adopted quasi-market economies, with varying degrees of success and implementation. China for example, example has been called state capitalist since it underwent reform after Mao to create a massive market economy with the Communist party at in full control control, while Cuban markets are dominated by the state with some worker controlled co-ops to form an unremarkable economy, but still managing to score very high on the Human Development Index. As for North Korea...well, there's a reason that Creator/ChristopherHitchens called it the most true-to-the-book [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour Oceania]] to ever exist in the whole universe...
23rd Jan '16 4:48:47 PM Terran117
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Since the USSR was the one calling the shots for the most part, it tends to be the default CommieLand while EastGermany also gets a lot of portrayal for being a spy hotzone. The other EasternBloc countries may come about when trying to depict a pretty poor and depressing place (with varrying accuracy). Those in the mood for making a war film will use Vietnam, where CommieLand is ripe with militias.

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Since the USSR was the one calling the shots for the most part, it tends to be the default CommieLand while EastGermany also gets a lot of portrayal for being a spy hotzone. hotzone (and in media tends to avoid the error that Communism=Russians). The other EasternBloc "middle" Eastern Bloc countries may come about when trying to depict a pretty poor and depressing place (with varrying accuracy). for the protagonist to infaltrate (With varying accuracy considering that some of these non major Eastern Bloc countries like Czechoslovakia and Hungary had a relatively high standard of living). Those in the mood for making a war film will use Vietnam, where CommieLand is ripe with militias.
militias waiting to ambush capitalist soldiers.
23rd Jan '16 4:41:29 PM Terran117
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In Eastern Bloc portrayals during the ColdWar, Commie Lands will undoubtedly be portrayed as flawless considering that media workers in the nation could easily get in trouble for creating anything that resembled dissent. Post ColdWar, the ex Eastern Bloc countries will portray their former regimes as heartless dictatorships, or if WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell is in effect, regimes that had a good idea but squandered to bring it into fruition. (GoodByeLenin is a great example of this kind of portrayal.)

Since the USSR was the one calling the shots for the most part, it tends to be the default CommieLand while EastGermany also gets a lot of portrayal for being a spy hotzone. The other EasternBloc countries may come about when trying to depict a pretty poor and depressing place (with varrying accuracy). Those in the mood for making a war film will use Vietnam, where CommieLand is ripe with militias.

As of now, China is probably the go to example for this trope, although China's economy has reformed greatly since TheGreatPoliticsMessUp.



* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}}, UsefulNotes/{{Benin}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}, Congo-Brazzavile, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Ethiopia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Eritrea}}, UsefulNotes/{{Gabon}}, Guinea, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mozambique}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, Tanzania, Togo, and [[UsefulNotes/{{Yemen}} South Yemen]]) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like.
** UsefulNotes/{{Yugoslavia}} was an odd case; it's not a part of Warsaw Pact or having a close relation with the Soviet Union (it's part of the Non-Aligned Movement), and the country was a rather liberal socalist (it did maintain healthy relations with the capitalist countries). However, their rule was also dominated by the Communist Party (which it masked by rotating their leaders, unlike the Soviet Union) and most people still associated it as Communist anyway, not helped with it being located in a sea of commies and it being majority Slavic ([[CriticalResearchFailure in public's mindset: Slavs = Commies]]). Then there's the case of UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars...
* Today, this trope can apply to UsefulNotes/{{China}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cuba}}, UsefulNotes/{{Laos}}, UsefulNotes/NorthKorea, and, UsefulNotes/{{Vietnam}}, though all except for North Korea (which ironically is the only one having dropped the Commie label) have adopted quasi-market economies, with varying degrees of success. As for North Korea...well, there's a reason that Creator/ChristopherHitchens called it the most true-to-the-book [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour Oceania]] to ever exist in the whole universe...

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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}}, UsefulNotes/{{Benin}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}, Congo-Brazzavile, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Ethiopia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Eritrea}}, UsefulNotes/{{Gabon}}, Guinea, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mozambique}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, Tanzania, Togo, and [[UsefulNotes/{{Yemen}} South Yemen]]) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression) depression for capitalist audiences or adherence to Marxist theory for communist audiences) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like.Orwellian-like. The USSR was very developed on the other hand, but not as politically liberal as other Eastern Bloc states.
** UsefulNotes/{{Yugoslavia}} was an odd case; it's it was not a part of the Warsaw Pact or having had a close relation relationship with the Soviet Union (it's part of the Non-Aligned Movement), and the country was a was rather socially and politically liberal socalist (it did maintain maintained healthy relations with the capitalist countries). countries and some more freedoms to its people were granted within). However, their rule was also dominated by the Communist Party (which it masked by rotating their leaders, unlike the Soviet Union) and most people still associated it as Communist anyway, not helped with anyway although it's interesting to note that much of the economy relied on co-ops and self management, which Titoists claim was the closest implementation of Marx's vision in existance. Not helping is it being located in a sea of commies and it being majority Slavic ([[CriticalResearchFailure in public's mindset: Slavs = Commies]]). Then there's the case of UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars...
* Today, this trope can apply to UsefulNotes/{{China}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cuba}}, UsefulNotes/{{Laos}}, UsefulNotes/NorthKorea, and, UsefulNotes/{{Vietnam}}, though all except for North Korea (which ironically is the only one having dropped the Commie label) label in favor of Juche, which political theorists believe is more akin to fascism given its adherence to Korean racial supremacy) have adopted quasi-market economies, with varying degrees of success.success and implementation. China for example, has been called state capitalist since it underwent reform after Mao to create a massive market economy with the Communist party at full control while Cuban markets are dominated by the state with some worker controlled co-ops to form an unremarkable economy, but still managing to score very high on the Human Development Index. As for North Korea...well, there's a reason that Creator/ChristopherHitchens called it the most true-to-the-book [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour Oceania]] to ever exist in the whole universe...
23rd Jan '16 4:14:58 PM Terran117
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-->-- '''Creator/CSLewis''', Reality.

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14th Jan '16 4:33:05 AM Dimas28
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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}}, UsefulNotes/{{Benin}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}, Congo, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Ethiopia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mozambique}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, and [[UsefulNotes/{{Yemen}} South Yemen]]) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like.

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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}}, UsefulNotes/{{Benin}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}, Congo, Congo-Brazzavile, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Ethiopia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Eritrea}}, UsefulNotes/{{Gabon}}, Guinea, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mozambique}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, Tanzania, Togo, and [[UsefulNotes/{{Yemen}} South Yemen]]) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like.
13th Jan '16 11:35:20 PM Dimas28
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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, and UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like.
** UsefulNotes/{{Yugoslavia}} was an odd case; it's not a part of Warsaw Pact or ''even'' a commie (it's part of the Non-Aligned Movement), and the country was a rather liberal socalist (it did maintain healthy relations with the capitalist countries). However, their rule was also dominated by the Communist Party (which it masked by rotating their leaders, unlike the Soviet Union) and most people still associated it as Communist anyway, not helped with it being located in a sea of commies and it being majority Slavic ([[CriticalResearchFailure in public's mindset: Slavs = Commies]]). Then there's the case of UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars...

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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}}, UsefulNotes/{{Benin}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cambodia}}, Congo, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Ethiopia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mozambique}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}, UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, and UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}) [[UsefulNotes/{{Yemen}} South Yemen]]) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like.
** UsefulNotes/{{Yugoslavia}} was an odd case; it's not a part of Warsaw Pact or ''even'' having a commie close relation with the Soviet Union (it's part of the Non-Aligned Movement), and the country was a rather liberal socalist (it did maintain healthy relations with the capitalist countries). However, their rule was also dominated by the Communist Party (which it masked by rotating their leaders, unlike the Soviet Union) and most people still associated it as Communist anyway, not helped with it being located in a sea of commies and it being majority Slavic ([[CriticalResearchFailure in public's mindset: Slavs = Commies]]). Then there's the case of UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars...
13th Jan '16 11:07:42 PM Dimas28
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* During the Cold War, the Soviet Union and China were this.
* Today, this trope can apply to China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Laos.

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* During the Cold War, UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] and its satellite states (e.g. UsefulNotes/{{Albania}}, UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, [[UsefulNotes/CzechRepublic Czecho]][[UsefulNotes/{{Slovakia}} slovakia]], UsefulNotes/EastGermany, UsefulNotes/{{Hungary}}, UsefulNotes/{{Mongolia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Romania}}, and UsefulNotes/{{Poland}}) were this. What degree of their "commieness" (read: repression and depression) depends: Czechoslovakia was relatively liberal and developed; Romania and Albania were Orwellian-like.
**UsefulNotes/{{Yugoslavia}} was an odd case; it's not a part of Warsaw Pact or ''even'' a commie (it's part of the Non-Aligned Movement), and the country was a rather liberal socalist (it did maintain healthy relations with the capitalist countries). However, their rule was also dominated by the Communist Party (which it masked by rotating their leaders, unlike
the Soviet Union Union) and China were this.
most people still associated it as Communist anyway, not helped with it being located in a sea of commies and it being majority Slavic ([[CriticalResearchFailure in public's mindset: Slavs = Commies]]). Then there's the case of UsefulNotes/TheYugoslavWars...
* Today, this trope can apply to China, UsefulNotes/{{China}}, UsefulNotes/{{Cuba}}, UsefulNotes/{{Laos}}, UsefulNotes/NorthKorea, and, UsefulNotes/{{Vietnam}}, though all except for North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Laos.
Korea (which ironically is the only one having dropped the Commie label) have adopted quasi-market economies, with varying degrees of success. As for North Korea...well, there's a reason that Creator/ChristopherHitchens called it the most true-to-the-book [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour Oceania]] to ever exist in the whole universe...
30th Oct '15 7:26:43 AM JulianLapostat
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-->-- '''Creator/KarlMarx''', what he had hoped for.

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-->-- '''Creator/KarlMarx''', what he had hoped for.
Expectations.



-->-- '''Creator/CSLewis''', what reality generally turned out to be.

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-->-- '''Creator/CSLewis''', what reality generally turned out to be.
Reality.
11th Oct '15 12:15:06 PM ragnarok235
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** Speaking of, the Human Hive headed by [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Chairman Yang]] is an undeniably more malicious version, borrowing a lot from Marxist principles, Nietzsche, and Confucianism to produce a strongly collectivist society where all individuality is given up and citizens are subsumed into working and sacrificing themselves for the good of their society and species.
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