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8th Jun '18 11:14:04 PM DavidDelony
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* Somewhat literally true for community colleges in the U.S., as many of them offer [=GEDs=] or other kind of high school equivalency testing. They also offer high school-level courses in subjects like mathematics and English for people who otherwise lack college-level academic skills. Community colleges are sometimes derisively called "13th grade", not to be confused with the actual "grade 13" that was formerly a part of [[CanadaEh Ontario]] high schools.

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* Somewhat Can be literally true for community colleges in the U.S., as many of them offer [=GEDs=] or other kind kinds of high school equivalency testing. They also offer high school-level courses in subjects like mathematics and English for people who otherwise lack college-level academic skills. Community colleges are sometimes derisively called "13th grade", not to be confused with the actual "grade 13" that was formerly a part of [[CanadaEh Ontario]] high schools.
13th May '18 4:02:58 PM mangamanic
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* Implied to be averted in ''Film/BadTeacher''. The titular bad teacher Elizabeth tells the socially awkward geek Garrett that while he has trouble in middle school and will probably still have trouble in high school, he will be fine in college.
9th Mar '18 9:06:00 PM Sahelanthropus
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The transition from high school to college is typically one of the biggest transitions you'll make in your entire life [[note]] although arguably not as momentous as transitioning from elementary school to high, if only because [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore the change seems a lot scarier]] when you're four years younger [[/note]]. Abruptly gone are things like principal's offices, standardized school scheduling, and forced/required teacher compassion. Similarly, "popular crowds" are mostly relegated to certain dormitories. And bullying becomes PassiveAggressiveKombat if anything. In college, no matter how athletic or smart you are, you're basically a nobody in the midst of a large and culturally-diverse student body. And, unlike in high school, your instructors and parents will not determine your general course of action. Your life plan is now completely up to you. On the plus side, it is easy to make friends by finding groups that match your interests, although cliques ''typically'' are much more flexible (if not entirely nonexistent) and people don't ''entirely'' define themselves by music or fashion, and thus lifelong outcasts can finally have a place where they belong.

Many television and movie writers, however, seem unusually clueless about how different college life really is from high school life despite the fact that most of them are college-educated themselves. Thus, they'll apply many popular high school tropes to university settings. Sometimes this makes sense, and a few, such as the SadistTeacher, are if anything ''more'' plausible in a college setting. Far more often, however, the opposite is true, because they're either unrealistically below the maturity level of your typical college student, or simply not feasible within the general structure of university life. For example, a team of thuggish [[JerkJock football players]] [[BarbaricBully perpetually bullying a shy/awkward freshman]] is ''highly'' unlikely in a university setting since they will not live in the same building, attend the same classes, or have remotely the same schedule. Just as unlikely is a close-knit group of students having the exact same class schedule each semester.

One could argue that the reason why this trope exists is because most college-themed works are aimed at a high school audience (or, perhaps, because [[TheCoconutEffect college students are imagined to]] ''[[TheCoconutEffect look]]'' [[TheCoconutEffect like high-school students]] thanks to DawsonCasting). And, since most people would be uncomfortable watching "naive" high school students (for example) engaging in raunchy/anti-social behavior, writers instead use a college setting, while implementing enough high school tropes that their works will still be relatable to the average high schooler. In other instances, it's simply a matter of [[CriticalResearchFailure not doing the research]], especially if the author is himself/herself a high school student who has only the most vague idea of this whole "college" thing. Sometimes, however, this trope will be justified by depicting the work's respective university as a sub-par school where all the burnouts and slackers go. Some countries, particularly any that have ever been communist, actually do have universities that are like super high schools in that they lack freedom and choice; also, the students themselves will probably be a lot more innocent due to their education ''in general'' having been throttled (think of Cultural Revolution-era China, where ''no one'' was educated for several years until the schools were finally reopened) and thus will probably have the social skills of teenagers or even younger children.

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The transition from high school to college is typically one of the biggest transitions you'll make in your entire life [[note]] although arguably not as momentous as transitioning from elementary school to high, if only because [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore the change seems a lot scarier]] when you're four years younger [[/note]]. Abruptly gone are things [[/note]].

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like principal's offices, standardized school scheduling, and forced/required teacher compassion. Similarly, "popular crowds" are mostly relegated to certain dormitories. And bullying becomes PassiveAggressiveKombat if anything. In college, no matter how athletic or smart you are, you're basically a nobody in the midst of a large and culturally-diverse student body. And, unlike in high school, your instructors last principal with the nasally voice and parents will not determine your general course of action. Your life plan is stickler for the rules, but with fancy glasses. The resident {{Jerk Jock}}s, who've now completely picked up to you. On the plus side, it is easy to make friends by finding groups that match your interests, although cliques ''typically'' a scholarship, are much more flexible (if not entirely nonexistent) and people don't ''entirely'' define themselves by music or fashion, and thus lifelong outcasts can finally have still trying to stuff you in a place where they belong.

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high school audience (or, perhaps, because [[TheCoconutEffect college students are imagined to]] ''[[TheCoconutEffect look]]'' [[TheCoconutEffect like high-school students]] thanks to DawsonCasting). And, since most people would be uncomfortable watching "naive" high school students (for example) engaging in raunchy/anti-social behavior, writers instead use a college setting, while implementing enough high school tropes that their works will still be relatable to the average high schooler. In other instances, it's simply a matter of [[CriticalResearchFailure not doing the research]], especially if the author is himself/herself a high school student who has only the most vague idea of this whole "college" thing. Sometimes, however, this trope will be justified by depicting the work's respective university as a sub-par school where all the burnouts school... without your mom and slackers go. Some countries, particularly any that have ever been communist, actually do have universities that are like super high schools in that they lack freedom and choice; also, the students themselves will probably be a lot more innocent due to their education ''in general'' having been throttled (think of Cultural Revolution-era China, where ''no one'' was educated for several years until the schools were finally reopened) and thus will probably have the social skills of teenagers or even younger children.
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6th Oct '17 2:47:08 PM HarryLovesHermione
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* The 2008 sex-comedy ''Film/{{College}}'', which depicts college students as doing nothing more than non-stop drinking and partying (ie. having little concern for their studies, etc.). An attitude that might ''just barely'' get you by in high school but will definitely get you nowhere in college.

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* The 2008 sex-comedy ''Film/{{College}}'', which depicts college students as doing nothing more than non-stop drinking and partying (ie. having little concern for their studies, etc.). An attitude that might ''just barely'' get you by in high school but will definitely get you nowhere in college.college, and while hard partying does exist, it usually comes after five weekdays of grueling schoolwork and jobs.
3rd Apr '17 11:53:40 AM fearlessnikki
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* Averted in the spin-off of ''Literature/TheWorstWitch'' ''Weirdsister College'', which relocated Mildred to college. Only two cast members from the parent show carry on with Mildred, and she has to deal with realistic student problems like learning to keep her dorm room clean, adjusting to the new environment and doing much better than Ethel - who had been the AcademicAlphaBitch and TeachersPet back in Cackle's.
30th Mar '17 1:57:14 AM DrFurball
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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries'' has Peter snarking that "College is just high school with ash trays..."
10th Mar '17 5:01:17 PM DavidDelony
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* Somewhat literally true for community colleges in the U.S., as many of them offer [=GEDs=] or other kind of high school equivalency testing. They also offer high school-level courses in subjects like mathematics and English for people who otherwise lack college-level academic skills.
** Community colleges are sometimes derisively called "13th grade."

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* Somewhat literally true for community colleges in the U.S., as many of them offer [=GEDs=] or other kind of high school equivalency testing. They also offer high school-level courses in subjects like mathematics and English for people who otherwise lack college-level academic skills.
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3rd Mar '17 3:48:49 AM Korodzik
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One could argue that the reason why this trope exists is because most college-themed works are aimed at a high school audience (or, perhaps, because [[TheCoconutEffect college students are imagined to]] ''[[TheCoconutEffect look]]'' [[TheCoconutEffect like high-school students]] thanks to DawsonCasting). And, since most people would be uncomfortable watching "naive" high school students (for example) engaging in raunchy/anti-social behavior, writers instead use a college setting, while implementing enough high school tropes that their works will still be relatable to the average high schooler. In other instances, it's simply a matter of [[CriticalResearchFailure not doing the research]]. Sometimes, however, this trope will be justified by depicting the work's respective university as a sub-par school where all the burnouts and slackers go. Some countries, particularly any that have ever been communist, actually do have universities that are like super high schools in that they lack freedom and choice; also, the students themselves will probably be a lot more innocent due to their education ''in general'' having been throttled (think of Cultural Revolution-era China, where ''no one'' was educated for several years until the schools were finally reopened) and thus will probably have the social skills of teenagers or even younger children.

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One could argue that the reason why this trope exists is because most college-themed works are aimed at a high school audience (or, perhaps, because [[TheCoconutEffect college students are imagined to]] ''[[TheCoconutEffect look]]'' [[TheCoconutEffect like high-school students]] thanks to DawsonCasting). And, since most people would be uncomfortable watching "naive" high school students (for example) engaging in raunchy/anti-social behavior, writers instead use a college setting, while implementing enough high school tropes that their works will still be relatable to the average high schooler. In other instances, it's simply a matter of [[CriticalResearchFailure not doing the research]].research]], especially if the author is himself/herself a high school student who has only the most vague idea of this whole "college" thing. Sometimes, however, this trope will be justified by depicting the work's respective university as a sub-par school where all the burnouts and slackers go. Some countries, particularly any that have ever been communist, actually do have universities that are like super high schools in that they lack freedom and choice; also, the students themselves will probably be a lot more innocent due to their education ''in general'' having been throttled (think of Cultural Revolution-era China, where ''no one'' was educated for several years until the schools were finally reopened) and thus will probably have the social skills of teenagers or even younger children.
9th Feb '17 12:48:22 AM Boother23
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* YYMV, but this trope can be TruthInTelevision, depending on the individual. In particular, some small liberal arts colleges/universities in the US have been referred to by students as "high school all over again." It depends on the person and the college, but this trope does happen in real life.

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* YYMV, YMMV, but this trope can be TruthInTelevision, depending on the individual. In particular, some small liberal arts colleges/universities in the US have been referred to by students as "high school all over again." It depends on the person and the college, but this trope does happen in real life.
14th Jan '17 5:57:51 AM smittykins
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** Community colleges are sometimes derisively called "13th grade."
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