History Main / ClonesArePeopleToo

18th Jun '16 6:02:45 PM SayaAensland
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* The comic book ''Machine qui rêve'' (''The Machine that Dreams''), sort of a BizarroEpisode to the comical Belgian comic series ''Spirou et Fantasio'' (''Spiroo and Fantasio'') because drawn and written in a realistic style instead of cartoony, is a long reflection on this. Some ethicless scientists create a clone of the title character, a clone created adult, and with all the memories from the real Spiroo. Clone!Spiroo escapes, and doesn't know he's a clone of the real one. After being chased in the whole town by minions of the scientists, he eventually comes back to the laboratory to find out why he's being chased. There he meets the real Spiroo, who doesn't really treat him like a ''machine'' like everybody else did, but more like another himself. Since well he's the hero, real!Spiroo has the scientists arrested, and lets Clone!Spiroo escape. The story closes on Clone!Spiroo leaving Europa on a boat, with Seccotine (usually a comic relief in the other stories, but here treated as a character who always wanted to date with Real!Spiroo and eventually has a romantically relationship with Clone!Spiroo), who asks him in the last panel what is ''his'' name, personally, indicating that at last, Clone!Spiroo is beginning to be someone else that Real!Spiroo. Fun fact: due to the editor finding that the authors betrayed the series's spirit with this too serious story, they were fired and replaced with a new team. Not sure the editor were wise, since the new team did a similar album, this time on the just as serious theme of: ''LivingForeverIsAwesome'' versus ''WhoWantsToLiveForever'', called ''L'Homme qui ne voulait pas mourir'' (''The Man that did not want to die'').

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* The comic book ''Machine qui rêve'' (''The Machine that Dreams''), sort of a BizarroEpisode to the comical Belgian comic series ''Spirou ''[[ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio Spirou et Fantasio'' (''Spiroo and Fantasio'') because drawn and written in a realistic style instead of cartoony, Fantasio]]'', is a long reflection on this. Some ethicless unethical scientists create a clone of the title character, a clone created adult, and with all the memories from the real Spiroo. Clone!Spiroo Spirou. Clone!Spirou escapes, and doesn't know he's a clone of the real one. After being chased in the whole town by minions of the scientists, he eventually comes back to the laboratory to find out why he's being chased. There he meets the real Spiroo, Spirou, who doesn't really treat him like a ''machine'' like everybody else did, but more like another himself. Since well Since, well, he's the hero, real!Spiroo real!Spirou has the scientists arrested, and lets Clone!Spiroo Clone!Spirou escape. The story closes on Clone!Spiroo Clone!Spirou leaving Europa Europe on a boat, with Seccotine (usually a comic relief in the other stories, but here treated as a character who always wanted to date with Real!Spiroo Real!Spirou and is implied to eventually has have a romantically romantic relationship with Clone!Spiroo), Clone!Spirou), who asks him in the last panel what is ''his'' name, personally, indicating that at last, Clone!Spiroo Clone!Spirou is beginning to be someone else that Real!Spiroo. Fun fact: due to the editor finding that the authors betrayed the series's spirit with this too serious story, they were fired and replaced with a new team. Not sure the editor were wise, since the new team did a similar album, this time on the just as serious theme of: ''LivingForeverIsAwesome'' versus ''WhoWantsToLiveForever'', called ''L'Homme qui ne voulait pas mourir'' (''The Man that did not want to die'').Real!Spirou.
11th Jun '16 7:13:13 PM nombretomado
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* The now-defunct mobile game {{Tekken}} Arena uses this in its story mode [[spoiler: as the entire aesop. The player character has been a clone of an existing Tekken character all along, and was to be sold as a soldier alongside other clones. (S)he frees a large number of clones from Dr. Bosconovitch to prove his/her point that clones are people, not products]].

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* The now-defunct mobile game {{Tekken}} Arena ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}} Arena'' uses this in its story mode [[spoiler: as the entire aesop. The player character has been a clone of an existing Tekken character all along, and was to be sold as a soldier alongside other clones. (S)he frees a large number of clones from Dr. Bosconovitch to prove his/her point that clones are people, not products]].
9th Jun '16 11:51:57 PM gewunomox
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* ''[[{{Phoenix}} Phoenix 'Life']]'' deals strongly with this idea when [[spoiler: the main character, a selfish TV executive, is cloned and sent to be slaughtered for sport with his many copies.]]

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* ''[[{{Phoenix}} ''[[Manga/{{Phoenix}} Phoenix 'Life']]'' deals strongly with this idea when [[spoiler: the main character, a selfish TV executive, is cloned and sent to be slaughtered for sport with his many copies.]]
26th May '16 8:02:34 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Series/TheFlash2014'', Zoom treats his time remnants as {{Expendable Clone}}s, killing them rather casually to further his goals. [[spoiler:Barry creates a time remnant of his own to stop Zoom, resulting in the remnant's HeroicSacrifice. Unlike Zoom, Barry and his friends all treat the remnant as a person in his own right and a hero]].
26th May '16 7:53:18 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Literature/LineOfDelirium'', cloning is highly illegal in TheEmpire, along with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]]. It's eventually revealed that the protagonist Kay is a genetically-engineered "super" with enhanced strength, speed, intelligence, and linguistic capabilities. He finds out that the boy he's been escorting, who is supposed to be the son of Curtis van Curtis, the wealthiest man in the Empire, is, in fact, van Curtis's clone, although he's, more or less, raised as his son. Despite this, their personalities couldn't be more different, especially since Arthur (the clone) has already [[ResurrectiveImmortality died so many times]] that Kay doesn't think that Arthur can ever truly grow up (mentally that is). He also finds a boy named Tommy Arano, who turns out to be the original clone of Curtis van Curtis, who had his memory erased by aliens and adopted by a human family. Arthur was created under the mistaken assumption that the previous one was dead (memory erasure triggers [=aTan=] just like death). When they finally meet, Tommy is noticeably order than Arthur and considers himself Arthur's older brother. At the end of the novel, [[spoiler:Arthur joins his "father" beyond the Line, while Tommy opts to leave with Kay, proving that they're different]]. Inverted at the end of the sequel ''Emperors of Illusions'', where [[spoiler:Tommy is the one who decides to leave this universe and have another one created for him, while Arthur takes his place at Kay's side]].

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* In ''Literature/LineOfDelirium'', cloning is highly illegal in TheEmpire, along with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]]. It's eventually revealed that the protagonist Kay is a genetically-engineered "super" with enhanced strength, speed, intelligence, and linguistic capabilities. He finds out that the boy he's been escorting, who is supposed to be the son of Curtis van Curtis, the wealthiest man in the Empire, is, in fact, van Curtis's clone, although he's, more or less, raised as his son. Despite this, their personalities couldn't be more different, especially since Arthur (the clone) has already [[ResurrectiveImmortality died so many times]] that Kay doesn't think that Arthur can ever truly grow up (mentally that is). He also finds a boy named Tommy Arano, who turns out to be the original clone of Curtis van Curtis, who had his memory erased by aliens and adopted by a human family. Arthur was created under the mistaken assumption that the previous one was dead (memory erasure triggers [=aTan=] just like death). When they finally meet, Tommy is noticeably order than Arthur and considers himself Arthur's older brother. At the end of the novel, [[spoiler:Arthur joins his "father" beyond the Line, while Tommy opts to leave with Kay, proving that they're different]]. Inverted at the end of the sequel ''Emperors of Illusions'', where [[spoiler:Tommy is the one who decides to leave this universe and have another one created for him, while Arthur takes his place at Kay's side]]. It's stated that, if anyone finds out the truth about either Kay or Arthur/Tommy, his life would be forfeit under Imperial law.
26th May '16 7:52:14 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Literature/LineOfDelirium'', cloning is highly illegal in TheEmpire, along with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]]. It's eventually revealed that the protagonist Kay is a genetically-engineered "super" with enhanced strength, speed, intelligence, and linguistic capabilities. He finds out that the boy he's been escorting, who is supposed to be the son of Curtis van Curtis, the wealthiest man in the Empire, is, in fact, van Curtis's clone, although he's, more or less, raised as his son. Despite this, their personalities couldn't be more different, especially since Arthur (the clone) has already [[ResurrectiveImmortality died so many times]] that Kay doesn't think that Arthur can ever truly grow up (mentally that is). He also finds a boy named Tommy Arano, who turns out to be the original clone of Curtis van Curtis, who had his memory erased by aliens and adopted by a human family. Arthur was created under the mistaken assumption that the previous one was dead (memory erasure triggers [=aTan=] just like death). When they finally meet, Tommy is noticeably order than Arthur and considers himself Arthur's older brother. At the end of the novel, [[spoiler:Arthur joins his "father" beyond the Line, while Tommy opts to leave with Kay, proving that they're different]]. Inverted at the end of the sequel ''Emperors of Illusions'', where [[spoiler:Tommy is the one who decides to leave this universe and have another one created for him, while Arthur takes his place at Kay's side]].
26th May '16 7:44:15 AM ChronoLegion
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* Cloning is commonplace in ''Literature/{{Genome}}'', and clones have all the same rights as normal people. In fact, highly-skilled people are often cloned multiple times in order to preserve their genetics. Clones often take the name of the original but add a middle name that consists of "C" (for "clone") and an ordinal number. For example, Peter C-the-forty-fourth Valk is the 44th clone of Peter Valk. While not outright mentioned, it can be assumed that the problems of CloneDegeneration have been solved, given that the main theme of the novel is that GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke. This doesn't stop [[FantasticRacism some people from hating clones]].

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* Cloning is commonplace in ''Literature/{{Genome}}'', and clones have all the same rights as normal people. In fact, highly-skilled people are often cloned multiple times in order to preserve their genetics. Clones often take the name of the original but add a middle name that consists of "C" (for "clone") and an ordinal number. For example, Peter C-the-forty-fourth Valk is the 44th clone of Peter Valk. While not outright mentioned, it can be assumed that the problems of CloneDegeneration have been solved, given that the main theme of the novel is that GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke. This doesn't stop [[FantasticRacism some people from hating clones]].clones]], partly for the same reason people in RealLife hate illegal immigrants (i.e. taking jobs).
** The ''Dancing in the Snow'' prequel takes place a century earlier, prior to the genetic engineering boom, and the novel's central theme is cloning and free will. It's revealed that the BigBad of the novel is, in fact, a female clone of a genetic engineering genius (the only character to appear in the original novel), who resolves to change humanity with the help of dozens of clones of her own (both male and female). Whenever they find another clone, they explain the situation and then give the clone a choice, whether to accept a new set of memories from the original or not. Either way, the clone is welcome. [[spoiler:The protagonist turns out to be one of the clones but refuses to join them]].
26th May '16 7:17:34 AM ChronoLegion
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** Inverted in the earlier episode ''Up the Long Ladder''; Riker and Pulaski discover they've been cloned against their will and kill the clones out of hand.

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** Inverted in the earlier episode ''Up the Long Ladder''; Riker and Pulaski discover they've been cloned against their will and kill the clones out of hand. When the leader of the clone colony calls them murderers, Riker counters by calling him a thief, as if the two crimes are even on the same level.
21st May '16 8:48:17 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** Inverted in the earlier episode ''Up the Long Ladder''; Riker and Pulaski discover they've been cloned against their will and kill the clones out of hand.
19th May '16 6:09:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* This is taken UpToEleven in Hannu Rajaniemi's ''TheQuantumThief'': the Founder copyclans rule over most of the inner Solar System. Anyone who isn't a Founder copy is a second class citizen at best, and a sentient missile guidance system at worst.

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* This is taken UpToEleven in Hannu Rajaniemi's ''TheQuantumThief'': ''Literature/TheQuantumThief'': the Founder copyclans rule over most of the inner Solar System. Anyone who isn't a Founder copy is a second class citizen at best, and a sentient missile guidance system at worst.
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