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26th May '16 8:02:34 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Series/TheFlash2014'', Zoom treats his time remnants as {{Expendable Clone}}s, killing them rather casually to further his goals. [[spoiler:Barry creates a time remnant of his own to stop Zoom, resulting in the remnant's HeroicSacrifice. Unlike Zoom, Barry and his friends all treat the remnant as a person in his own right and a hero]].
26th May '16 7:53:18 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Literature/LineOfDelirium'', cloning is highly illegal in TheEmpire, along with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]]. It's eventually revealed that the protagonist Kay is a genetically-engineered "super" with enhanced strength, speed, intelligence, and linguistic capabilities. He finds out that the boy he's been escorting, who is supposed to be the son of Curtis van Curtis, the wealthiest man in the Empire, is, in fact, van Curtis's clone, although he's, more or less, raised as his son. Despite this, their personalities couldn't be more different, especially since Arthur (the clone) has already [[ResurrectiveImmortality died so many times]] that Kay doesn't think that Arthur can ever truly grow up (mentally that is). He also finds a boy named Tommy Arano, who turns out to be the original clone of Curtis van Curtis, who had his memory erased by aliens and adopted by a human family. Arthur was created under the mistaken assumption that the previous one was dead (memory erasure triggers [=aTan=] just like death). When they finally meet, Tommy is noticeably order than Arthur and considers himself Arthur's older brother. At the end of the novel, [[spoiler:Arthur joins his "father" beyond the Line, while Tommy opts to leave with Kay, proving that they're different]]. Inverted at the end of the sequel ''Emperors of Illusions'', where [[spoiler:Tommy is the one who decides to leave this universe and have another one created for him, while Arthur takes his place at Kay's side]].

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* In ''Literature/LineOfDelirium'', cloning is highly illegal in TheEmpire, along with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]]. It's eventually revealed that the protagonist Kay is a genetically-engineered "super" with enhanced strength, speed, intelligence, and linguistic capabilities. He finds out that the boy he's been escorting, who is supposed to be the son of Curtis van Curtis, the wealthiest man in the Empire, is, in fact, van Curtis's clone, although he's, more or less, raised as his son. Despite this, their personalities couldn't be more different, especially since Arthur (the clone) has already [[ResurrectiveImmortality died so many times]] that Kay doesn't think that Arthur can ever truly grow up (mentally that is). He also finds a boy named Tommy Arano, who turns out to be the original clone of Curtis van Curtis, who had his memory erased by aliens and adopted by a human family. Arthur was created under the mistaken assumption that the previous one was dead (memory erasure triggers [=aTan=] just like death). When they finally meet, Tommy is noticeably order than Arthur and considers himself Arthur's older brother. At the end of the novel, [[spoiler:Arthur joins his "father" beyond the Line, while Tommy opts to leave with Kay, proving that they're different]]. Inverted at the end of the sequel ''Emperors of Illusions'', where [[spoiler:Tommy is the one who decides to leave this universe and have another one created for him, while Arthur takes his place at Kay's side]]. It's stated that, if anyone finds out the truth about either Kay or Arthur/Tommy, his life would be forfeit under Imperial law.
26th May '16 7:52:14 AM ChronoLegion
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* In ''Literature/LineOfDelirium'', cloning is highly illegal in TheEmpire, along with [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke genetic engineering]]. It's eventually revealed that the protagonist Kay is a genetically-engineered "super" with enhanced strength, speed, intelligence, and linguistic capabilities. He finds out that the boy he's been escorting, who is supposed to be the son of Curtis van Curtis, the wealthiest man in the Empire, is, in fact, van Curtis's clone, although he's, more or less, raised as his son. Despite this, their personalities couldn't be more different, especially since Arthur (the clone) has already [[ResurrectiveImmortality died so many times]] that Kay doesn't think that Arthur can ever truly grow up (mentally that is). He also finds a boy named Tommy Arano, who turns out to be the original clone of Curtis van Curtis, who had his memory erased by aliens and adopted by a human family. Arthur was created under the mistaken assumption that the previous one was dead (memory erasure triggers [=aTan=] just like death). When they finally meet, Tommy is noticeably order than Arthur and considers himself Arthur's older brother. At the end of the novel, [[spoiler:Arthur joins his "father" beyond the Line, while Tommy opts to leave with Kay, proving that they're different]]. Inverted at the end of the sequel ''Emperors of Illusions'', where [[spoiler:Tommy is the one who decides to leave this universe and have another one created for him, while Arthur takes his place at Kay's side]].
26th May '16 7:44:15 AM ChronoLegion
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* Cloning is commonplace in ''Literature/{{Genome}}'', and clones have all the same rights as normal people. In fact, highly-skilled people are often cloned multiple times in order to preserve their genetics. Clones often take the name of the original but add a middle name that consists of "C" (for "clone") and an ordinal number. For example, Peter C-the-forty-fourth Valk is the 44th clone of Peter Valk. While not outright mentioned, it can be assumed that the problems of CloneDegeneration have been solved, given that the main theme of the novel is that GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke. This doesn't stop [[FantasticRacism some people from hating clones]].

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* Cloning is commonplace in ''Literature/{{Genome}}'', and clones have all the same rights as normal people. In fact, highly-skilled people are often cloned multiple times in order to preserve their genetics. Clones often take the name of the original but add a middle name that consists of "C" (for "clone") and an ordinal number. For example, Peter C-the-forty-fourth Valk is the 44th clone of Peter Valk. While not outright mentioned, it can be assumed that the problems of CloneDegeneration have been solved, given that the main theme of the novel is that GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke. This doesn't stop [[FantasticRacism some people from hating clones]].clones]], partly for the same reason people in RealLife hate illegal immigrants (i.e. taking jobs).
** The ''Dancing in the Snow'' prequel takes place a century earlier, prior to the genetic engineering boom, and the novel's central theme is cloning and free will. It's revealed that the BigBad of the novel is, in fact, a female clone of a genetic engineering genius (the only character to appear in the original novel), who resolves to change humanity with the help of dozens of clones of her own (both male and female). Whenever they find another clone, they explain the situation and then give the clone a choice, whether to accept a new set of memories from the original or not. Either way, the clone is welcome. [[spoiler:The protagonist turns out to be one of the clones but refuses to join them]].
26th May '16 7:17:34 AM ChronoLegion
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** Inverted in the earlier episode ''Up the Long Ladder''; Riker and Pulaski discover they've been cloned against their will and kill the clones out of hand.

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** Inverted in the earlier episode ''Up the Long Ladder''; Riker and Pulaski discover they've been cloned against their will and kill the clones out of hand. When the leader of the clone colony calls them murderers, Riker counters by calling him a thief, as if the two crimes are even on the same level.
21st May '16 8:48:17 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** Inverted in the earlier episode ''Up the Long Ladder''; Riker and Pulaski discover they've been cloned against their will and kill the clones out of hand.
19th May '16 6:09:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* This is taken UpToEleven in Hannu Rajaniemi's ''TheQuantumThief'': the Founder copyclans rule over most of the inner Solar System. Anyone who isn't a Founder copy is a second class citizen at best, and a sentient missile guidance system at worst.

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* This is taken UpToEleven in Hannu Rajaniemi's ''TheQuantumThief'': ''Literature/TheQuantumThief'': the Founder copyclans rule over most of the inner Solar System. Anyone who isn't a Founder copy is a second class citizen at best, and a sentient missile guidance system at worst.
17th May '16 4:17:03 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/{{Replicant}}'': Jake initially treats the clone of a SerialKiller he's chasing as an expendable asset or no different than the person he was cloned from, but eventually warms up to him and starts treating him as a human being. The clone even gets to live out a new life after FakingTheDead.
28th Apr '16 6:22:25 AM DaveE
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*** Even earlier, this got completely averted in the Thrawn trilogy. Clones are flash-grown expendable soldiers who feel wrong in the Force, the BigBad clone is a mentally unstable monster, and everyone's still terrified of clones because of what happened in the Clone Wars. [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness All because nobody told Zahn what happened in the Clone Wars.]] This got chalked up to inferior cloning tech after the fact.
28th Apr '16 6:15:43 AM DaveE
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* The ''Film/StarWars'' prequels establish Boba Fett (yes, [[MemeticBadass THAT]] Boba Fett) as one of many clones of his predecessor, the great BountyHunter Jango Fett (although Boba is the only one who's not an enhanced SuperSoldier). He's treated as Jango's beloved son, not as an unnatural duplicate -- and his artificial origins in no way detract from his {{badass}}ery.

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* The ''Film/StarWars'' prequels establish Boba Fett (yes, [[MemeticBadass THAT]] Boba Fett) as one of many clones of his predecessor, the great BountyHunter Jango Fett (although Boba is the only one who's not an enhanced SuperSoldier). He's treated Jango asked for Boba to be created as Jango's part of his price for the Kamino project, and treats him like a beloved son, not as an unnatural duplicate -- and his artificial origins in no way detract from his {{badass}}ery.{{badass}}ery.
** Averted with the other clones, at least in the films. The only Jedi who treats them as anything other than disposable soldiers is... Anakin Skywalker, and he gets ''chastised'' for it by Obi-Wan.
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