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26th Jan '16 7:10:16 AM Paranoia
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* After [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Zuko's]] HeelFaceTurn in WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender, the Gaang didn't exactly accepted him with open arms. While it's partially justified, considering all the things he did to them, they went out of their ways to treat him like dirt and kick him out, even ignoring certain moments he aided them (like during the Blue Spirit episode). It took him many episodes to fully gain their trust, and only after many efforts, fights, appeasings, insults, humiliations, and even death threats.
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* After [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Zuko's]] HeelFaceTurn in WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender, the Gaang didn't exactly accepted him with open arms. While it's partially justified, considering all the things he did to them, they several of them (particularly Katara and Sokka) went out of their ways to treat him like dirt and kick him out, even ignoring dismissing certain moments he aided them (like during the Blue Spirit episode).episode) as little more than WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. It took him many episodes to fully gain their trust, and only after many efforts, fights, appeasings, insults, humiliations, and even death threats. The overall process is LampShaded by Toph later, when she complains that she was the first to welcome into the group but the only one who didn't get to have a special bonding adventure with him afterwards.
26th Jan '16 6:55:47 AM Paranoia
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Simple problems might be that [[ThisIsUnforgivable relationships are strained]], as other people might not be quite so eager to forget the character's actions off the bat. A brainwashed character who commits actions that would have crossed the MoralEventHorizon had they been freely chosen obviously won't as be easily redeemed, even with [[EasilyForgiven the all-forgiving]] [[ThePowerofFriendship power of friendship.]]
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Simple problems might be that [[ThisIsUnforgivable relationships are strained]], as other people might not be quite so eager to forget the character's actions off the bat. A brainwashed character who commits actions that would have crossed the MoralEventHorizon had they been freely chosen obviously won't be as be easily redeemed, even with [[EasilyForgiven the all-forgiving]] [[ThePowerofFriendship power of friendship.]]
11th Nov '15 11:49:47 AM JoeMerl
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* In ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice,'' [[LegionOfDoom the Light]] manages to take control of the Justice League, and sends some of their strongest members through a [[TeleportersAndTransporters Boom Tube]] to an alien planet called Rimbor to wreak havoc for [[ArcNumber sixteen]] hours. As a result, Earth suddenly stops being an InsignificantLittleBluePlanet and gets a lot of hostile alien attention, especially in light of [[DifferentlyPoweredIndividuals this whole "superpower" thing]]. Furthermore, the League members involved feel obligated to go to Rimbor and try to clear their name, which puts the League at a disadvantage against the Light's new plans.
9th Nov '15 1:33:47 PM StFan
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* In TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye, Cyclonus is infamous among the crew of the Lost Light for having fought for Galvatron during the war, and was involved in several atrocities. Most Autobots consider him basically a Decepticon, despite the fact that he is technically unaligned (the [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience purple paint job]] can't help). In fact, Cyclonus was under the influence of The Darkness when this occurred, and thus unable to resist Galvatron's commands. He seems to not make too much of issue of it however, not caring about the Autobots' approval.
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* In TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye, ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'', Cyclonus is infamous among the crew of the Lost Light for having fought for Galvatron during the war, and was involved in several atrocities. Most Autobots consider him basically a Decepticon, despite the fact that he is technically unaligned (the [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience purple paint job]] can't help). In fact, Cyclonus was under the influence of The Darkness when this occurred, and thus unable to resist Galvatron's commands. He seems to not make too much of issue of it however, not caring about the Autobots' approval.
18th Oct '15 6:41:13 AM zerohelix
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** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in later arc.
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** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in a later arc.

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** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe * ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'': Snapping out of the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from Supreme King's control is only the guild and refuses to admit him back in later arc.start of Judai's troubles.
18th Oct '15 2:22:26 AM HiddenWindshield
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** After Jean Gray has been brought back from the TheDarkSide in ''ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga'', she's found guilty genocide and sentenced to death by the Shi'ar empire, despite the empress' romantic relationship with Charles Xavier. Unfortunately for everyone, fighting for her life reawakens Marvel Girl's Dark Phoenix side.
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** After Jean Gray has been brought back from the TheDarkSide in ''ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga'', she's found guilty of genocide and sentenced to death by the Shi'ar empire, despite the empress' romantic relationship with Charles Xavier. Unfortunately for everyone, fighting for her life reawakens Marvel Girl's Dark Phoenix side.
13th Jul '15 8:57:10 AM Elan
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* In TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye, Cyclonus is infamous among the crew of the Lost Light for having fought for Galvatron during the war, and was involved in several atrocities. Most Autobots consider him basically a Decepticon, despite the fact that he is technically unaligned (the [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience purple paint job]] can't help). In fact, Cyclonus was under the influence of The Darkness when this occurred, and thus unable to resist Galvatron's commands. He seems to not make too much of issue of it however, not caring about the Autobots' approval.
12th Jul '15 12:43:51 PM AlienPatch
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* After [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Zuko's]] HeelFaceTurn in WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender, the Gaang didn't exactly accepted him with open arms. While it's partially justified, considering all the things he did to them, they went out of their ways to treat him like dirt and kick him out, even ignoring certain moments he aided them (like during the Blue Spirit episode). It took him many episodes to fully gain their trust, and only after many efforts, fights, appeasings, insults, humiliations, and even death threats.
13th Feb '15 3:03:08 PM StFan
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* In FairyTail, Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in later arc. ** Jellal, manages to get back to the good side, after being brainwashed by Zeref/Ultear, but the Magic Council as well as ''several'' people whom he caused great grief refuse to forgive him.
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* In FairyTail, ''Manga/FairyTail'': ** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in later arc. ** Jellal, Jellal manages to get back to the good side, after being brainwashed by Zeref/Ultear, but the Magic Council as well as ''several'' people whom he caused great grief refuse to forgive him.

* After Jean Gray has been brought back from the TheDarkSide in TheDarkPhoenixSaga, she's found guilty genocide and sentenced to death by the Shi'ar empire, despite the empress' romantic relationship with Charles Xavier. Unfortunately for everyone, fighting for her life reawakens Marvel Girl's Dark Phoenix side.
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* ''ComicBook/XMen'': ** After Jean Gray has been brought back from the TheDarkSide in TheDarkPhoenixSaga, ''ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga'', she's found guilty genocide and sentenced to death by the Shi'ar empire, despite the empress' romantic relationship with Charles Xavier. Unfortunately for everyone, fighting for her life reawakens Marvel Girl's Dark Phoenix side.

[[folder:Film]] * The realization of this was the most likely factor in [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader's]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath acceptance of his death]] at the end of the trilogy. He had already had the majority of his body burned off and was basically encased in an armor that well being his life support, was also a symbol for tyranny and fear for people everywhere. It's also hard to imagine the rebels or improvised government not trying or condemning him after. * In the end of the ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', this is played intentionally by the Joker in order to manipulate Dent and get him to commit enough crimes that he 'falls', and has all the blame shifted towards him, thus destroying Gotham City's hope in their law enforcement. Batman is able to avert this only by taking on the blame for Two-Face's murders himself.
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[[folder:Film]] [[folder:Films -- Live-Action]] * ''Franchise/StarWars'': The realization of this was the most likely factor in [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader's]] Vader's [[RedemptionEqualsDeath acceptance of his death]] at the end of the trilogy. He had already had the majority of his body burned off and was basically encased in an armor that well being his life support, was also a symbol for tyranny and fear for people everywhere. It's also hard to imagine the rebels or improvised government not trying or condemning him after. * In the end of the ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', this is played intentionally by the Joker in order to manipulate Dent and get him to commit enough crimes that he 'falls', "falls", and has all the blame shifted towards him, thus destroying Gotham City's hope in their law enforcement. Batman is able to avert this only by taking on the blame for Two-Face's murders himself.

* In TheRedVixenAdventures Ali is arrested for the crimes she committed as a slave, [[spoiler: but is acquitted of most, though not all of them.]]
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* In TheRedVixenAdventures ''Literature/TheRedVixenAdventures'', Ali is arrested for the crimes she committed as a slave, [[spoiler: but is acquitted of most, though not all of them.]]

* [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons D&D]] will sometimes require characters to receive an Atonement from a cleric even for actions that were performed under magical mind control, due to trickery, or otherwise involuntarily or unwittingly. * TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms had a lot of this, including Laeral Silverhand donning a relic of the local evil death-god and catching a bad case of artifact possession. Of course, as a {{semidivine}} being herself, she recovered after the crown was destroyed, but people threw suspicious glances for some time. Eventually this died down to lame taunts about bad luck with headgear from a political opponent, though.
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* [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons D&D]] ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' will sometimes require characters to receive an Atonement from a cleric even for actions that were performed under magical mind control, due to trickery, or otherwise involuntarily or unwittingly. * TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms had a lot of this, including this. ** Including Laeral Silverhand donning a relic of the local evil death-god and catching a bad case of artifact possession. Of course, as a {{semidivine}} being herself, she recovered after the crown was destroyed, but people threw suspicious glances for some time. Eventually this died down to lame taunts about bad luck with headgear from a political opponent, though.

-->'''Bara''': ...moldering ancient spells and magical items of great and obnoxious power. More than once have I come upon some mess caused by adventurers only to have them tell me that they couldn’t prevent an incident's occurrence because their mage was "under the control of an ancient and malevolent artifact of evil". If you ''must'' come to the High Moor and you ''must'' hunt treasure there, be ''careful''. Check things for curses ''before'' you pick them up and play with them. Being mind-controlled doesn’t give you free rein to come in and muck up the region I protect.
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-->'''Bara''': ...--->'''Bara:''' ...moldering ancient spells and magical items of great and obnoxious power. More than once have I come upon some mess caused by adventurers only to have them tell me that they couldn’t couldn't prevent an incident's occurrence because their mage was "under the control of an ancient and malevolent artifact of evil". If you ''must'' come to the High Moor and you ''must'' hunt treasure there, be ''careful''. Check things for curses ''before'' you pick them up and play with them. Being mind-controlled doesn’t doesn't give you free rein to come in and muck up the region I protect.

[[folder:Webcomics]] * Done so in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', to a more general sense. Vriska is controlled essentially by her civilization's violent culture and expectations, her own insecurities/ego, self-destructive actions, and the rules of paradox space itself. She 'over-comes' it eventually, but by then it's rather to late for her to change. She even acknowledges she can't change what she's done by any means, but accepts it and any karma facing her because she believes she needs to do the right thing.
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[[folder:Webcomics]] [[folder:Web Comics]] * Done so in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', to a more general sense. sense. ** Vriska is controlled essentially by her civilization's violent culture and expectations, her own insecurities/ego, self-destructive actions, and the rules of paradox space itself. She 'over-comes' it eventually, but by then it's rather to late for her to change. She even acknowledges she can't change what she's done by any means, but accepts it and any karma facing her because she believes she needs to do the right thing.

* {{Discussed}} in ''[[LawAndTheMultiverse Law and the Multiverse's]]'' post on [[http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2010/12/30/mind-control-made-me-do-it/ mind control]]. It turns out that a person under mind control would [[AvertedTrope probably get off easily]].
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* {{Discussed}} in ''[[LawAndTheMultiverse Law and the Multiverse's]]'' ''Blog/LawAndTheMultiverse'''s post on [[http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2010/12/30/mind-control-made-me-do-it/ mind control]]. It turns out that a person under mind control would [[AvertedTrope probably get off easily]].

* On ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', although more just a product of Peter's usual shenanigans than direct mind control, he has been 'changed' temporarily an untold amount of times for the period of single episodes. Despite this, it's subverted as the rest of the cast usually don't see anything periodic about it and never reprimand him beyond the individual change. To date, he has been 'brainwashed' into becoming feminine, 'rich', Jewish, a bully, Mexican, African American, a red neck, and a homosexual, all of which is forgotten about by the next episode.
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* On ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', although ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': ** Although more just a product of Peter's usual shenanigans than direct mind control, he has been 'changed' "changed" temporarily an untold amount of times for the period of single episodes. Despite this, it's subverted as the rest of the cast usually don't see anything periodic about it and never reprimand him beyond the individual change. To date, he has been 'brainwashed' "brainwashed" into becoming feminine, 'rich', "rich", Jewish, a bully, Mexican, African American, a red neck, and a homosexual, all of which is forgotten about by the next episode.

* One-shot villain Mr. Mime in ThePowerpuffGirls is a clown who was turned evil by [[ItRunsOnNonsensoleum being covered in bleach.]] The girls eventually manage to change him back to normal...and then beat him up anyway.
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* One-shot villain Mr. Mime in ThePowerpuffGirls ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' is a clown who was turned evil by [[ItRunsOnNonsensoleum being covered in bleach.]] The girls eventually manage to change him back to normal... and then beat him up anyway.
29th Jul '14 1:48:16 PM animenutcase
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** After being brainwashed by [[spoiler:the Condesce]] into turning evil, [[spoiler:Jade is eventually killed by Aranea, and Paradox Space declares her death just, nullifying her God Tier immortality.]]
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** After being brainwashed by [[spoiler:the Condesce]] into turning evil, [[spoiler:Jade is eventually killed by Aranea, and Paradox Space declares her death just, nullifying her God Tier immortality. It must be noted that Aranea has a hand in that decision, using her abilities as a Sylph of Light.]]
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