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19th Sep '16 1:39:11 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in a later arc. However, this was also done to help give him CharacterDevelopment.
** Jellal manages to get back to the good side, after being brainwashed by Zeref/Ultear, but the Magic Council as well as ''several'' people whom he caused great grief refuse to forgive him.

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** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in a later arc. However, this was also done to help give him CharacterDevelopment.
** Jellal manages to get is back to on the good side, side of the angels after being his stint trying to resurrect Zeref with the Tower of Heaven (which he was brainwashed into by Zeref/Ultear, Ultear pretending to be Zeref), but the Magic Council as (as well as ''several'' people whom several others he caused great grief refuse to forgive him. wronged during this time) are not buying it.
11th Sep '16 2:03:34 AM StFan
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* Possibly subverted in [[Manga/HunterXHunter HxH]] when one of the side characters gets kidnapped by the ants, brainwashed and altered to be one of them. She's eventually comes to her senses, and as Killua points out, her entrusted one Gon is not one to judge, and it helps the Hunter organization itself isn't one to persecute her just because she's now a chimera ant.
** Also it's a pivotal point played straight with Gon. Blinded by his rage he, activates a technique that allowes him to rapidly age/grow and defeat an enemy vastly superior to himself. Unfortunately after calming down, he's stil mutated and puts himself on the brink of death.

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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'':
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Possibly subverted in [[Manga/HunterXHunter HxH]] when one of the side characters gets kidnapped by the ants, brainwashed and altered to be one of them. She's eventually comes to her senses, and as Killua points out, her entrusted one Gon is not one to judge, and it helps the Hunter organization itself isn't one to persecute her just because she's now a chimera ant.
** Also it's It's a pivotal point played straight with Gon. Blinded by his rage he, activates a technique that allowes allows him to rapidly age/grow and defeat an enemy vastly superior to himself. Unfortunately after calming down, he's stil still mutated and puts himself on the brink of death.



* Unfortunately for Franchise/{{SpiderMan}} after he gets his body back following the ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' arc, in which Doctor Octopus controlled his body, many of his prior relationships are strained, especially that with his former lover, ComicBook/BlackCat, who has made a FaceHeelTurn and doesn't care that it's Octavius in Peter's body when she was attacked.

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* Unfortunately for Franchise/{{SpiderMan}} Franchise/SpiderMan, after he gets his body back following the ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' arc, in which Doctor Octopus controlled his body, many of his prior relationships are strained, especially that with his former lover, ComicBook/BlackCat, who has made a FaceHeelTurn and doesn't care that it's Octavius in Peter's body when she was attacked.



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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', the sole truly evil things Trixie has ever done were while she was under the influence of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Alicorn Amulet]], which turned her into a megalomaniac. Otherwise, she's just a rather harmless braggart. Nonetheless, the inhabitants of Ponyville (including Twilight Sparkle, the Princess of Friendship herself) are still distrustful of her despite the regrets she expressed.
** Granted, she did go to depths to find the artifact and explictly use it for revenge does provide some reason. There's also the fact that she is just plainly not a nice pony. Her magic shows consists of bragging and inviting ponies up for contests, only to humiliate them through trickery and not actual skill. They've forgiven her actions under the Amulet, but she hasn't apologized for being a jerk in her first appearance.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', the sole truly evil things Trixie has ever done were while she was under the influence of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Alicorn Amulet]], which turned her into a megalomaniac. Otherwise, she's just a rather harmless braggart. Nonetheless, the inhabitants of Ponyville (including Twilight Sparkle, the Princess of Friendship herself) are still distrustful of her despite the regrets she expressed.
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expressed. Granted, she did go to depths to find the artifact and explictly explicitly use it for revenge does provide revenge, which provides some reason. There's also the fact that she is just plainly not a nice pony. Her magic shows consists of bragging and inviting ponies up for contests, only to humiliate them through trickery and not actual skill. They've forgiven her actions under the Amulet, but she hasn't apologized for being a jerk in her first appearance.
30th Jul '16 12:55:58 PM DVB
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** In the final chapters where the final battle for King is had, it's mentioned that damage to the land and possibly the people is undone (the one communicating would be the book.) Considering how the battle for Mamodo King is called the God's Trial, this would explain why alot of calamities and such were undone.



** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in a later arc.

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** Laxus gets back to his senses after threatening to nearly wipe out the entire guild, but Makarov expels him from the guild and refuses to admit him back in a later arc. However, this was also done to help give him CharacterDevelopment.



** Granted, she was by no means a nice pony during her introductionary appearance and the fact that she did go to depths to find the artifact and explictly use it for revenge does provide some reason.

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** Granted, she was by no means a nice pony during her introductionary appearance and the fact that she did go to depths to find the artifact and explictly use it for revenge does provide some reason. There's also the fact that she is just plainly not a nice pony. Her magic shows consists of bragging and inviting ponies up for contests, only to humiliate them through trickery and not actual skill. They've forgiven her actions under the Amulet, but she hasn't apologized for being a jerk in her first appearance.
2nd Jul '16 7:54:08 AM lavendermintrose
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* Constantly in ''Anime/ValvraveTheLiberator''.
** Particularly with Haruto. As the pilot of Unit 1, he sometimes gets possessed by a sort of monster impulse that makes him attack his friends. What happens can range from ''biting'' someone and inadvertently body-jacking them, to, well, the incident that the series is infamous for towards the end of season 1. Notable/played with in that most of the retribution for these things comes from his own guilt and fear that he's a monster.
** This is also the case with L-elf, who was body-jacked by Haruto in the beginning - Haruto in his body shot L-elf's friend in the eye and betrayed L-elf's team. Since his teammates don't know about the body-jacking until the end, they blame L-elf for it and wonder what could have made such a loyal soldier turn traitor. He manages to use the situation to his advantage, helping the OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent [=JIORans=] form a decent enough military to defend their town, but you can see the sadness in his eyes throughout...
29th Jun '16 2:24:09 AM AgProv
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* This sort of thing appears to happen a lot in ''Series/StarTrek''. A character is temporarily possessed by a more powerful force or otherwose suborned against their will to perform actions contrary to their own interests or inclinations. But they then carry on in post afterwards with no sanctions once they're free of possession, or can demonstrate that they were not in control of themselves at the time. [[note]]This appears to be a "Get Out of Jail Free" card in the ST continuum.[[/note]] The only time this issue appears to have been addressed is when Captain Picard was assimilated into the Borg Collective and is used to co-ordinate their strategy against the Federation. ''StarTrek/DeepSpaceNine'' opens with a freed Picard ferrying Captain Sisko to his new command. Sisko is one of the very few survivors of the Borg attack that used Picard to plot and lead its strategy. Sisko's command, and his wife, were killed in that offensive. Therefore his attitude to Picard is one of very thinly disguised hostility, loathing and hatred. Picard understands this, realises this is part of his Cartesian Karma, and allows Sisko to express his deep hostility and bitter resentment.
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11th Jun '16 4:40:57 PM DVB
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** Granted, she was by no means a nice pony during her introductionary appearance and the fact that she did go to depths to find the artifact and explictly use it for revenge does provide some reason.
8th Jun '16 11:04:35 AM DoctorTItanX
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Unfortunately in failing that, they still managed to [[KickTheDog kick a few kittens]], and rob the local grocery market. And law enforcement isn't exactly ready to take 'I was brainwashed by a [[BigBad Super-villain]]/[[TheVirus mind-virus]]' as a valid legal alibi. Also anybody 'normal' seeing you in your altered state might be [[ItsALongStory equally hard to work out]], especially if it's not something you could [[TheMasquerade explain without telling too much]]. The consequences of one's actions simply don't vanish when the mentality causing them does, so even mind-controlled characters have to face some sort of retribution, like it or not. [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty Except when]] [[KarmaHoudini they don't.]]

What's more, who's to say you were just eating children and playing hopscotch during your brainwashed-existence, and won't have to face any serious danger or genetic experiments? Any damage sustained, bodily changes or physical alterations aren't going to go away just because you've come to your senses. Those are going to have to be faced as well. If the brain-washed you ate a few too many donuts in the [[SupervillainLair baddies hideout]], back-to-normal you is simply going to have to live with his/her sustained diabetes.

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Unfortunately Tragically in failing that, they still managed to [[KickTheDog kick a few kittens]], and rob the local grocery market. And law enforcement isn't exactly ready to take 'I was brainwashed by a [[BigBad Super-villain]]/[[TheVirus mind-virus]]' as a valid legal alibi. Also anybody 'normal' seeing you in your altered state might be [[ItsALongStory equally hard to work out]], especially if it's not something you could [[TheMasquerade explain without telling too much]]. The consequences of one's actions simply don't vanish when the mentality causing them does, so even mind-controlled characters have to face some sort of retribution, like it or not. [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty Except when]] [[KarmaHoudini they don't.]]

What's more, who's to say you were just eating children and playing hopscotch during your brainwashed-existence, and won't have to face any serious danger or genetic experiments? Any damage sustained, bodily changes or physical alterations aren't going to go away just because you've come to your senses. Those are going to have to be faced as well. If the brain-washed you your brainwashed self ate a few too many donuts in the [[SupervillainLair baddies hideout]], back-to-normal you is simply going to have to live with his/her sustained diabetes.



* Possibly subverted in [[Manga/HunterXHunter HxH]] when one of the side characters get's kidnapped by the ants, brainwashed and altered to be one of them. She's eventually comes to her senses, and as Killua points out, her entrusted one Gon is not one to judge, and it helps the Hunter organization itself isn't one to persecute her just because she's now a chimera ant.

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* Possibly subverted in [[Manga/HunterXHunter HxH]] when one of the side characters get's gets kidnapped by the ants, brainwashed and altered to be one of them. She's eventually comes to her senses, and as Killua points out, her entrusted one Gon is not one to judge, and it helps the Hunter organization itself isn't one to persecute her just because she's now a chimera ant.



** Also his teacher and role-model Kaito, who is made into a living rag doll for the ants to manipulate that Gon desperately wishes to bring back. The realization that [[spoiler:he can't do so, and Kaito truly is 'dead' is what pushes Gon into the transformation alluded to above.]]

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** Also Also, his teacher and role-model Kaito, who is made into a living rag doll for the ants to manipulate that Gon desperately wishes to bring back. The realization that [[spoiler:he can't do so, and Kaito truly is 'dead' is what pushes Gon into the transformation alluded to above.]]
6th Jun '16 5:24:18 AM captainpat
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* ''Anime/GaReiZero'':
** Yomi goes through this in , with her going berserk and only having Kagura to stop her. In the anime it ends tragically.
** The entire concept of Shissouseiki victims often plays into this.
* In the ''Manga/ChronoCrusade'' anime, Joshua after having Chrono's stolen horns removed is able to revert back to his old childish self. The problem is, he becomes essentially 'locked' in that state, perpetually having the mind of his 12 year old pre-horn self. He fairs much better in the manga though.

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* ''Anime/GaReiZero'':
** Yomi goes through this in , with her going berserk and only having Kagura to stop her. In the anime it ends tragically.
** The entire concept of Shissouseiki victims often plays into this.
* In the ''Manga/ChronoCrusade'' anime, Joshua after having Chrono's stolen horns removed is able to revert back to his old childish self. The problem is, he becomes essentially 'locked' in that state, perpetually having the mind of his 12 year old pre-horn self. He fairs much better in the manga though.



* In ''Manga/{{Psyren}}'', Tatsuo refuses to return to the past even after being freed from the mind-control induced on him. It's probably a factor that the artifact that was controlling him is still embedded into his body, he'll die if it runs out of energy, and it shuts down when exposed to sunlight.



* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'': Snapping out of the Supreme King's control is only the start of Judai's troubles.



** Her beau ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} faces similar problems after he [[spoiler:took over the world and killed Charles Xavier]] while under the Phoenix's influence. People in-universe and out hold him responsible for that.

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** Her beau ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} faces similar problems being imprisoned after he [[spoiler:took over the world and killed Charles Xavier]] while under the Phoenix's influence. People in-universe and out hold him responsible for that.influence.



* This is Franchise/SpiderMan's problem after he gets his body back following the ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' arc, in which Doctor Octopus controlled his body. Many of his prior relationships are strained, especially that with his former lover, ComicBook/BlackCat, who has made a FaceHeelTurn and doesn't care that it's Octavius in Peter's body when she was attacked.

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* This is Franchise/SpiderMan's problem Unfortunately for Franchise/{{SpiderMan}} after he gets his body back following the ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' arc, in which Doctor Octopus controlled his body. Many body, many of his prior relationships are strained, especially that with his former lover, ComicBook/BlackCat, who has made a FaceHeelTurn and doesn't care that it's Octavius in Peter's body when she was attacked.
6th Jun '16 5:16:48 AM captainpat
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', Sasuke's fall and betrayal of Konoha has continually been a plot point, with the eponymous character constantly hoping for his return. Obstructing this is not only the fact that he's now an internationally wanted criminal, but also had a central antagonist absorbed into his body at one point, and he had gone nearly blind. [[spoiler:He seems to be getting better, at least in the seeing department.]]
** [[spoiler:This was ultimately [[AvertedTrope averted]] as he ended up EasilyForgiven for all sins. [[BaseBreaker A lot of fans weren't impressed at all.]]]]
20th May '16 6:03:41 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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** [[spoiler:This was ultimately [[AvertedTrope averted]] as he ended up EasilyForgiven for all sins. [[BaseBreaker A lot of fans weren't impressed at all.]]]]
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