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20th May '16 6:03:41 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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** [[spoiler:This was ultimately [[AvertedTrope averted]] as he ended up EasilyForgiven for all sins. [[BaseBreaker A lot of fans weren't impressed at all.]]]]
18th May '16 8:43:50 AM StFan
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* ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Sure, ComicBook/BuckyBarnes was under mind-control from HYDRA for all of his villainous career as the Winter Soldier. That hardly means he's off the hook for decades of terrorism and assassinations, forcing him to stay in hiding from the authorities at the start of the movie. Despite his reassurance to Steve that he's no longer doing these kind of things, [[spoiler:it's easy for Zemo to put the blame on him for the bombing of the U.N. building with a cheap mask]]. Only Captain America (and his followers) believe he's innocent, and it's more for emotional than rational reasons. T'Challa doesn't accept the brainwashing argument as an excuse [[spoiler:for the death of his father]], and pursues Bucky as Black Panther to kill him. Neither does Tony Stark when he finally learns [[spoiler:the Winter Soldier is responsible for the murder of his parents. He goes ballistic, and none of Cap's words are enough to calm down Iron Man in his attempt to vaporize Bucky]].

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* ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Sure, ComicBook/BuckyBarnes Bucky was under mind-control from HYDRA for all of his villainous career as the Winter Soldier. That hardly means he's off the hook for decades of terrorism and assassinations, forcing him to stay in hiding from the authorities at the start of the movie. Despite his reassurance to Steve that he's no longer doing these kind of things, [[spoiler:it's easy for Zemo to put the cast blame on him for the bombing of the U.N. building with on Bucky just by wearing a cheap scarf and a prosthetic mask]]. Only Captain America (and his followers) believe he's innocent, and it's more for emotional than rational reasons. T'Challa doesn't accept the brainwashing argument as an excuse [[spoiler:for the death of his father]], and pursues Bucky as Black Panther to kill him. Neither does Tony Stark when he finally learns [[spoiler:the Winter Soldier is responsible for the murder of his parents. He goes ballistic, and none of Cap's words are enough to calm down Iron Man in his attempt to vaporize Bucky]].
14th May '16 5:20:41 AM StFan
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* This is Franchise/{{Spiderman}}'s problem after he gets his body back following the ''Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderman'' arc, in which Doctor Octopus controlled his body. Many of his prior relationships are strained, especially that with his former lover, Comicbook/BlackCat, who has made a FaceHeelTurn and doesn't care that it Octavius in Peter's body when she was attacked.

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* This is Franchise/{{Spiderman}}'s Franchise/SpiderMan's problem after he gets his body back following the ''Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderman'' ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' arc, in which Doctor Octopus controlled his body. Many of his prior relationships are strained, especially that with his former lover, Comicbook/BlackCat, ComicBook/BlackCat, who has made a FaceHeelTurn and doesn't care that it it's Octavius in Peter's body when she was attacked.



* ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Sure, ComicBook/BuckyBarnes was under mind-control from HYDRA for all of his villainous career. That hardly means he's off the hook for decades of terrorism and assassinations, forcing him to stay in hiding from the authorities at the start of the movie. And despite his reassurance to Steve that he's no longer doing these kind of things, [[spoiler:it's easy for Zemo to put the blame on him for the bombing of the U.N. building with a cheap mask]]. Only Captain America (and his followers) believe he's innocent, and it's more for emotional than rational reasons. T'Challa doesn't accept the brainwashing argument as an excuse [[spoiler:for the death of his father]], and pursues Bucky as Black Panther to kill him. Neither does Tony Stark when he finally learns [[spoiler:the Winter Soldier is responsible for the murder of his parents. He goes ballistic, and none of Cap's words are enough to calm down Iron Man in his attempt to vaporize Bucky]].

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* ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Sure, ComicBook/BuckyBarnes was under mind-control from HYDRA for all of his villainous career.career as the Winter Soldier. That hardly means he's off the hook for decades of terrorism and assassinations, forcing him to stay in hiding from the authorities at the start of the movie. And despite Despite his reassurance to Steve that he's no longer doing these kind of things, [[spoiler:it's easy for Zemo to put the blame on him for the bombing of the U.N. building with a cheap mask]]. Only Captain America (and his followers) believe he's innocent, and it's more for emotional than rational reasons. T'Challa doesn't accept the brainwashing argument as an excuse [[spoiler:for the death of his father]], and pursues Bucky as Black Panther to kill him. Neither does Tony Stark when he finally learns [[spoiler:the Winter Soldier is responsible for the murder of his parents. He goes ballistic, and none of Cap's words are enough to calm down Iron Man in his attempt to vaporize Bucky]].
9th May '16 2:47:22 PM KingZeal
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* This is Franchise/{{Spiderman}}'s problem after he gets his body back following the ''Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderman'' arc, in which Doctor Octopus controlled his body. Many of his prior relationships are strained, especially that with his former lover, Comicbook/BlackCat, who has made a FaceHeelTurn and doesn't care that it Octavius in Peter's body when she was attacked.
7th May '16 3:59:55 AM captainpat
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Cartesian Karma are consequences a character has to faces for actions they technically committed despite not being in full control of their body at the time.
7th May '16 3:50:33 AM captainpat
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* After [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Zuko's]] HeelFaceTurn in WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender, the Gaang didn't exactly accepted him with open arms. While it's partially justified, considering all the things he did to them, several of them (particularly Katara and Sokka) went out of their ways to treat him like dirt and kick him out, dismissing certain moments he aided them (like during the Blue Spirit episode) as little more than WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. It took him many episodes to fully gain their trust, and only after many efforts, fights, appeasings, insults, humiliations, and even death threats. The overall process is LampShaded by Toph later, when she complains that she was the first to welcome into the group but the only one who didn't get to have a special bonding adventure with him afterwards.
7th May '16 3:49:39 AM captainpat
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The realization of this was the most likely factor in Darth Vader's [[RedemptionEqualsDeath acceptance of his death]] at the end of the original trilogy. He had already had the majority of his body burned off and was basically encased in an armor that, while being his life support, was also a symbol for tyranny and fear for people everywhere. It's also hard to imagine the rebels or improvised government not trying or condemning him after.
5th May '16 11:25:05 AM DreamerCynist2
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The realization of this was the most likely factor in Darth Vader's [[RedemptionEqualsDeath acceptance of his death]] at the end of the trilogy. He had already had the majority of his body burned off and was basically encased in an armor that, while being his life support, was also a symbol for tyranny and fear for people everywhere. It's also hard to imagine the rebels or improvised government not trying or condemning him after.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The realization of this was the most likely factor in Darth Vader's [[RedemptionEqualsDeath acceptance of his death]] at the end of the original trilogy. He had already had the majority of his body burned off and was basically encased in an armor that, while being his life support, was also a symbol for tyranny and fear for people everywhere. It's also hard to imagine the rebels or improvised government not trying or condemning him after.
4th May '16 1:23:39 PM DeckardCanine
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The realization of this was the most likely factor in Darth Vader's [[RedemptionEqualsDeath acceptance of his death]] at the end of the trilogy. He had already had the majority of his body burned off and was basically encased in an armor that well being his life support, was also a symbol for tyranny and fear for people everywhere. It's also hard to imagine the rebels or improvised government not trying or condemning him after.
* In the end of the ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', this is played intentionally by the Joker in order to manipulate Dent and get him to commit enough crimes that he "falls", and has all the blame shifted towards him, thus destroying Gotham City's hope in their law enforcement. Batman is able to avert this only by taking on the blame for Two-Face's murders himself.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The realization of this was the most likely factor in Darth Vader's [[RedemptionEqualsDeath acceptance of his death]] at the end of the trilogy. He had already had the majority of his body burned off and was basically encased in an armor that well that, while being his life support, was also a symbol for tyranny and fear for people everywhere. It's also hard to imagine the rebels or improvised government not trying or condemning him after.
* In the end of the ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', this is played intentionally by the Joker in order to manipulate Dent and get him to commit enough crimes that he "falls", "falls" and has all the blame shifted towards toward him, thus destroying Gotham City's hope in their law enforcement. Batman is able to avert this only by taking on the blame for Two-Face's murders himself.
3rd May '16 2:18:39 PM StFan
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* ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Sure, ComicBook/BuckyBarnes was under mind-control from HYDRA for all of his villainous career. That hardly means he's off the hook for decades of terrorism and assassinations, forcing him to stay in hiding from the authorities at the start of the movie. And despite his reassurance to Steve that he's no longer doing this kind of things, [[spoiler:it's easy for Zemo to put the blame on him for the bombing of the U.N. building with a cheap mask]]. Only Captain America (and his followers) believe he's innocent, and it's more for emotional than rational reasons. T'Challa doesn't accept the brainwashing argument as an excuse [[spoiler:for the death of his father]], and pursues Bucky as Black Panther to kill him. Neither does Tony Stark when he finally learns [[spoiler:the Winter Soldier is responsible for the murder of his parents. He goes ballistic, and none of Cap's words are enough to calm down Iron Man in his attempt to vaporize Bucky]].

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* ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Sure, ComicBook/BuckyBarnes was under mind-control from HYDRA for all of his villainous career. That hardly means he's off the hook for decades of terrorism and assassinations, forcing him to stay in hiding from the authorities at the start of the movie. And despite his reassurance to Steve that he's no longer doing this these kind of things, [[spoiler:it's easy for Zemo to put the blame on him for the bombing of the U.N. building with a cheap mask]]. Only Captain America (and his followers) believe he's innocent, and it's more for emotional than rational reasons. T'Challa doesn't accept the brainwashing argument as an excuse [[spoiler:for the death of his father]], and pursues Bucky as Black Panther to kill him. Neither does Tony Stark when he finally learns [[spoiler:the Winter Soldier is responsible for the murder of his parents. He goes ballistic, and none of Cap's words are enough to calm down Iron Man in his attempt to vaporize Bucky]].
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