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25th Feb '17 12:43:41 PM nombretomado
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* The canons of ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}'', ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' (plus others) are generally grouped together and called the Franchise/NasuVerse. There's rarely direct crossover of the characters, except in [[BattleMoonWars spin-off]] [[VideoGame/MeltyBlood games]] and non-canonical side-comics. WordOfGod on each canon's characters respective power levels in relation to each other ([[MemeticMutation can Shiki kill Servants?]]) is [[FlipFlopOfGod conflicting]]. Even better: it is canonical in the series that alternate timelines exist in which different events took place, and that travel between them is possible (albeit ''extremely'' difficult, this being the Second Magic), so it can be said that ''all'' routes of ''all'' materials are canonical in one universe or another. Except ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'' which, by WordOfGod, explicitly isn't in the same universe as Tsukihime.

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* The canons of ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}'', ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' (plus others) are generally grouped together and called the Franchise/NasuVerse. There's rarely direct crossover of the characters, except in [[BattleMoonWars [[VideoGame/BattleMoonWars spin-off]] [[VideoGame/MeltyBlood games]] and non-canonical side-comics. WordOfGod on each canon's characters respective power levels in relation to each other ([[MemeticMutation can Shiki kill Servants?]]) is [[FlipFlopOfGod conflicting]]. Even better: it is canonical in the series that alternate timelines exist in which different events took place, and that travel between them is possible (albeit ''extremely'' difficult, this being the Second Magic), so it can be said that ''all'' routes of ''all'' materials are canonical in one universe or another. Except ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'' which, by WordOfGod, explicitly isn't in the same universe as Tsukihime.
20th Feb '17 4:43:13 AM jormis29
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** D&D's crossover with the Mythos and Nehwon goes back to the AD&D 1st Edition version of the ''Deities & Demigods'' {{Sourcebook}} published in 1980, along with the heroes of Arthurian legend and the deities of Michael Moorcock's world of Melnibone. The Cthulhu Mythos and Melnibonean material nearly brought down legal action from Chaosium, which had the game license rights to both at the time, and so they were left out of subsequent print runs since TSR didn't want to provide a reference to a competitor in the publishing credits. Obviously, copies of this first printing are hard to find.

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** D&D's crossover with the Mythos and Nehwon goes back to the AD&D 1st Edition version of the ''Deities & Demigods'' {{Sourcebook}} published in 1980, along with the heroes of Arthurian legend and the deities of Michael Moorcock's world of Melnibone. The Cthulhu Mythos and Melnibonean material nearly brought down legal action from Chaosium, which had the game license rights to both at the time, and so they were left out of subsequent print runs since TSR Creator/{{TSR}} didn't want to provide a reference to a competitor in the publishing credits. Obviously, copies of this first printing are hard to find.
9th Feb '17 10:53:18 PM KYCubbie
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie'' (2017) takes place in a continuity where ''all'' the previous Franchise/{{Batman}} movies happened, including the 1966 Creator/AdamWest movie.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie'' (2017) takes place in a continuity where that includes ''all'' the previous Franchise/{{Batman}} movies happened, including the 1966 Creator/AdamWest movie.of Franchise/{{Batman}}'s media appearances.
7th Feb '17 11:58:28 PM narm00
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** DC has also historically made a habit of assimilating the characters of other comics companies into their multiverse - Quality Comics (Uncle Sam and the Comicbook/FreedomFighters, ComicBook/PlasticMan, Comicbook/{{Blackhawk}}), Creator/FawcettComics ([[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Shazam, Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family]]), Creator/CharltonComics (ComicBook/CaptainAtom, ComicBook/BlueBeetle, ComicBook/TheQuestion), WildStorm Comics (ComicBook/TheAuthority, ComicBook/WildCATs), Creator/MilestoneComics (ComicBook/{{Icon}}, ComicBook/{{Hardware}}, ComicBook/{{Static}}) and Franchise/ArchieComics' Red Circle superhero characters. Generally, these characters start off in alternate timelines, and then some sort of universal crisis reboots the DC Universe yet again, merging the timelines.
** Newest with DC: the welding of Watchmen and DC main universe in DC Rebirth.

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** DC has also historically made a habit of assimilating the characters of other comics companies into their multiverse - Quality Comics (Uncle Sam and the Comicbook/FreedomFighters, ComicBook/PlasticMan, Comicbook/{{Blackhawk}}), Creator/FawcettComics ([[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Shazam, Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family]]), Creator/CharltonComics (ComicBook/CaptainAtom, ComicBook/BlueBeetle, ComicBook/TheQuestion), WildStorm Comics Creator/WildStorm (ComicBook/TheAuthority, ComicBook/WildCATs), Creator/MilestoneComics (ComicBook/{{Icon}}, ComicBook/{{Hardware}}, ComicBook/{{Static}}) and Franchise/ArchieComics' Red Circle superhero characters. Generally, these characters start off in alternate timelines, universes, and then some sort of universal crisis reboots the DC Universe yet again, merging the timelines.
universes.
** Newest That said, sometimes the welding isn't permanent, as with DC: the Red Circle characters, who eventually returned to Archie.
** ComicBook/DCRebirth saw
the welding of Watchmen and the DC main universe in DC Rebirth.universe.



** Robert Kirkman's characters occasionally cross over in a similar fashion (and some times become supporting cast - especially in ''ComicBook/{{Invincible}}''). The Kirkmanverse and Faerberverse intersect at a number of points, especially The Pact mini-series. Other Image characters, such as ComicBook/SavageDragon and ComicBook/{{Shadowhawk}}, often pop up. So far, however, {{Spawn}} had yet to make an appearance. This changed with ''Image United'', which brings together characters of all of the current Image partners (Erik Larsen, Rob Liefeld, Todd [=McFarlane=], Marc Silvestri, Robert Kirkman, and Jim Valentino), as well as Whilce Portacio and several other creators.
** Angela from the ''Comicbook/{{Spawn}}'' universe jumped ship to the Franchise/MarvelUniverse at the close of ''Comicbook/AgeOfUltron''. Though it's made clear that her home dimension exists outside the Marvel U.

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** Robert Kirkman's characters occasionally cross over in a similar fashion (and some times sometimes become supporting cast - especially in ''ComicBook/{{Invincible}}''). The Kirkmanverse and Faerberverse intersect at a number of points, especially The Pact mini-series. Other Image characters, such as ComicBook/SavageDragon and ComicBook/{{Shadowhawk}}, often pop up. So far, however, {{Spawn}} had yet to ComicBook/{{Spawn}} didn't make an appearance. This changed with appearance until ''Image United'', which brings brought together characters of all of the current Image partners (Erik Larsen, Rob Liefeld, Todd [=McFarlane=], Marc Silvestri, Robert Kirkman, and Jim Valentino), as well as Whilce Portacio and several other creators.
** Angela from the ''Comicbook/{{Spawn}}'' universe jumped ship to the Franchise/MarvelUniverse at the close of ''Comicbook/AgeOfUltron''. Though it's made clear that her home dimension exists outside the Marvel U.



** John Smith did a similar thing from the start in order to make his stories stand out: all his initial ''[[ComicBook/ThargsFutureShocks Future Shocks]]'' linked in to an organisation called Indigo Prime, and a couple of Indigo Prime agents also appeared in ''Tyranny Rex''. Indigo Prime then got its own series, and eventually crossed over with Smith's Creator/DCComics series, ''Scarab''.

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** John Smith did a similar thing from the start in order to make his stories stand out: all his initial ''[[ComicBook/ThargsFutureShocks Future Shocks]]'' linked in to an organisation called Indigo Prime, and a couple of Indigo Prime agents also appeared in ''Tyranny Rex''. Indigo Prime then got its own series, and eventually crossed over with Smith's Creator/DCComics Creator/VertigoComics series, ''Scarab''.



** Moore's ''ComicBook/{{Providence}}'' is an attempt to do this for all of Creator/HPLovecraft's story or at least the different cycles. Much like ''League of Extraordinary Gentlemen'', Moore is using Lovecraft's fiction to merge different stories and events into a single coherent verse. This includes ''Cool Air, The Horror at Red Hook, The Shadow over Innsmouth, The Dunwich Horror, The Color Out of Space, The Dreams at the Witch-House, The Thing on the Doorstep''.

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** Moore's ''ComicBook/{{Providence}}'' is an attempt to do this for all of Creator/HPLovecraft's story stories, or at least the different cycles. Much like ''League of Extraordinary Gentlemen'', Moore is using Lovecraft's fiction to merge different stories and events into a single coherent verse. This includes ''Cool Air, The Horror at Red Hook, The Shadow over Innsmouth, The Dunwich Horror, The Color Out of Space, The Dreams at the Witch-House, The Thing on the Doorstep''.



* [[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/01/the-mark-millar-tie-up-athon-spoilers/ This article]] suggests that all of Creator/MarkMillar's later Marvel works (''1985'', ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', ''ComicBook/KickAss'', and ''ComicBook/OldManLogan'') is all interconnected. (Three of those are automatically canonical to each other anyway, of course, but ''Kick-Ass'' is more of a surprise.) Even ealier Millar estabilished connections between three comics published by different companies - ''ComicBook/{{Wanted}}'', ''{{Chosen}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheUnfunnies''. The reason why at the end of the ''Chosen'' [[spoiler: media doesn't report Antichrist's miracles is that they're controlled by supervillains from ''Wanted'']]. And Troy Hicks from ''Unfunnies'' [[spoiler: helped Satan rape Antichrist]]. Never published ''Run!'' was supposed to be set in that world too.

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* [[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/10/01/the-mark-millar-tie-up-athon-spoilers/ This article]] suggests that all of Creator/MarkMillar's later Marvel works (''1985'', ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', ''ComicBook/KickAss'', and ''ComicBook/OldManLogan'') is all interconnected. (Three of those are automatically canonical to each other anyway, of course, but ''Kick-Ass'' is more of a surprise.) Even ealier Millar estabilished established connections between three comics published by different companies - ''ComicBook/{{Wanted}}'', ''{{Chosen}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Chosen}}'' and ''ComicBook/TheUnfunnies''. The reason why at the end of the ''Chosen'' [[spoiler: the media doesn't report the Antichrist's miracles is that they're controlled by supervillains from ''Wanted'']]. And Troy Hicks from ''Unfunnies'' [[spoiler: helped Satan rape the Antichrist]]. Never published ''Run!'' was supposed to be set in that world too.
2nd Feb '17 10:31:57 AM GM_3826
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** Outside of a multidimensional context, the universe of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Archanea]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Valencia]], and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJudgral Jugdral]] was merged with that of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Tellius]].

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** Outside of a multidimensional context, the universe of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Archanea]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Valencia]], and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJudgral [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral]] was merged with that of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Tellius]].
2nd Feb '17 10:30:48 AM GM_3826
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** Outside of a multidimensional context, the universe of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Archanea]], [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Valencia]], and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJudgral Jugdral]] was merged with that of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Tellius]].
30th Jan '17 7:06:49 PM KYCubbie
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie'' (2017) takes place in a continuity where ''all'' the previous Franchise/{{Batman}} movies happened, including the 1966 Creator/AdamWest movie.
-->'''Alfred:''' Sir, I've seen you go through similar phases in [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice 2016]], and [[Film/TheDarkKnightRises 2012]], and [[Film/TheDarkKnight 2008]], and [[Film/BatmanBegins 2005]], and [[Film/BatmanAndRobin 1997]], and [[Film/BatmanForever 1995]], and [[Film/BatmanReturns 1992]], and [[Film/{{Batman}} 1989]], and that weird one in [[Film/BatmanTheMovie 1966]].\\
'''Batman:''' I have aged ''phenomenally''.
28th Jan '17 7:51:04 PM Dere
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** DC started it twenty years earlier in All-Star Comics #3 with the Justice Society's first meeting. To this day, it's generally accepted that the Justice Society is the first-ever example of a super hero team lasting longer than a single issue in comics history.

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** DC started it twenty years earlier in All-Star Comics #3 with the Justice Society's first meeting. To this day, it's generally accepted that the Justice Society is the first-ever example of a super hero team lasting longer than a single issue in comics history.
26th Jan '17 6:58:03 PM PaulA
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* In the 1980s, Creator/IsaacAsimov wrote a series of novels that linked his ''Robots'', ''Empire'', and ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' novels into a single continuity. He also even went so far as to in ''Foundation and Earth'' suggest (via throwaway reference in dialogue) a tenuous connection between the Robots/Empire/Foundation series and an otherwise seemingly unrelated, comparatively obscure time-travel novel, ''Literature/TheEndOfEternity'', which he wrote in the 1950s (interestingly enough, if they ''were'' in the same continuity, the end of the novel would effectively have caused the ''entirety of the events in the rest of the series'', because said ending [[spoiler:revolves partly around allowing humanity to expand into space instead of mouldering on Earth]]).
** Don't forget throwing in a reference to his standalone novel ''Nemesis'' in one of the later Foundation books, despite the fact that Nemesis and the Robots/Empire/Foundation books taking place in the same universe makes no sense whatsoever (not even the space-travel physics work the same way). Though it may have been a literal reference to his ''novel''.
** ''Psychohistorical Crisis'', a CaptainErsatz filled FanSequel, {{retcon}}s a number of aspects of the Foundation series, and also ties in Asimov's otherwise unrelated short story ''Literature/{{Nightfall}}''. Since it's not "official", it's free to ignore the Robots connection, and does so.

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* In the 1980s, Creator/IsaacAsimov wrote a series of novels that linked his ''Robots'', ''Empire'', and ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'' novels into a single continuity. He also even went so far as to in ''Foundation and Earth'' ''Literature/FoundationAndEarth'' suggest (via throwaway reference in dialogue) a tenuous connection between the Robots/Empire/Foundation series and an otherwise seemingly unrelated, comparatively obscure time-travel novel, ''Literature/TheEndOfEternity'', which he wrote in the 1950s (interestingly enough, if they ''were'' in the same continuity, the end of the novel would effectively have caused the ''entirety of the events in the rest of the series'', because said ending [[spoiler:revolves partly around allowing humanity to expand into space instead of mouldering on Earth]]).
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Earth]]). He also threw in a reference to his standalone novel ''Nemesis'' in one of the later Foundation books, despite the fact that Nemesis and the Robots/Empire/Foundation books taking place in the same universe makes no sense whatsoever (not even the space-travel physics work the same way). Though it may have been a literal reference to his ''novel''.
** * ''Psychohistorical Crisis'', a CaptainErsatz filled FanSequel, FanSequel to the Foundation series written by Donald Kingsbury, {{retcon}}s a number of aspects of the Foundation series, and also ties in Asimov's otherwise unrelated short story ''Literature/{{Nightfall}}''. Since it's not "official", it's free to ignore the Robots connection, and does so.
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