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22nd Feb '17 2:26:58 PM Jhonny
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** A violation of Rule XIX (famously used by Jeff Sessions against Elizabeth Warren in 2017) essentially boils down to stopping a Senator who is Addressing the Senate from verbally attacking the motives of a fellow Senator and/or any state. Senator's who are seen as breaking it are no longer allowed to partake in the debate (the can still vote on the bill). The logic is meant to diffuse any situation where the verbal offense would give way to this trope (to prevent LoopholeAbuse, this includes quoting other people who speak ill of the aggrieved Senator.). It only applies on the Senate Floor, so there is nothing stopping the Senator who is [[StreisandEffect accused of doing such from going to the nearest reporter and repeating the attack on national Television, so using it to silence opposing party members is generally unwise.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Whether or not any such incident was justified is best discussed elsewhere.]]

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** A violation of Rule XIX (famously used by Jeff Sessions against Elizabeth Warren in 2017) essentially boils down to stopping a Senator who is Addressing the Senate from verbally attacking the motives of a fellow Senator and/or any state. Senator's who are seen as breaking it are no longer allowed to partake in the debate (the (they can still vote on the bill). The logic is meant to diffuse any situation where the verbal offense would give way to this trope (to prevent LoopholeAbuse, this includes quoting other people who speak ill of the aggrieved Senator.). It only applies on the Senate Floor, so there is nothing stopping the Senator who is [[StreisandEffect accused of doing such from going to the nearest reporter and repeating the attack on national Television, so using it to silence opposing party members is generally unwise.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Whether or not any such incident was justified is best discussed elsewhere.]]]] According to later media reporting, the rule dates to the antebellum dates alluded to above and was supposedly used to silence abolitionists. Make of that what you will.
22nd Feb '17 12:46:02 PM hszmv1
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** A violation of Rule XIX (famously used by Jeff Sessions against Elizabeth Warren in 2017) essentially boils down to stopping a Senator who is Addressing the Senate from verbally attacking the motives of a fellow Senator and/or any state. Senator's who are seen as breaking it are no longer allowed to partake in the debate (the can still vote on the bill). The logic is meant to diffuse any situation where the verbal offense would give way to this trope (to prevent LoopholeAbuse, this includes quoting other people who speak ill of the aggrieved Senator.). It only applies on the Senate Floor, so there is nothing stopping the Senator who is [[StreisandEffect accused of doing such from going to the nearest reporter and repeating the attack on national Television, so using it to silence opposing party members is generally unwise.]] [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Whether or not any such incident was justified is best discussed elsewhere.]]
29th Dec '16 9:20:28 AM nombretomado
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* South African Prime Minister Hendrik Verwoerd, architect of [[TheApartheidEra apartheid]], was stabbed to death in Parliament in 1966 by a deranged[[note]]Or so the court found. He was also mixed-race, but on account of his rather odd background (his father being Greek and his mother being a mixed-race Mozambican) he was legally classified as white. Despite this, he still had rather dark skin and suffered a great deal of discrimination, and he couldn't even get the government to reclassify him as Coloured so he could live with/marry his Coloured girlfriend. He ''was'' diagnosed with schizophrenia and a tapeworm.[[/note]] Communist parliamentary courier.

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* South African Prime Minister Hendrik Verwoerd, architect of [[TheApartheidEra [[UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra apartheid]], was stabbed to death in Parliament in 1966 by a deranged[[note]]Or so the court found. He was also mixed-race, but on account of his rather odd background (his father being Greek and his mother being a mixed-race Mozambican) he was legally classified as white. Despite this, he still had rather dark skin and suffered a great deal of discrimination, and he couldn't even get the government to reclassify him as Coloured so he could live with/marry his Coloured girlfriend. He ''was'' diagnosed with schizophrenia and a tapeworm.[[/note]] Communist parliamentary courier.
9th Nov '16 6:58:22 PM bwburke94
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* Pennsylvania's Buckshot War started off this way when in 1838 the Democrats beat the incumbent Whig/[[ConspiracyTheorist Anti-Mason]]/Abolitionist ticket. The Anti-Masons decided to insert a phony list of winners in with the real office holders to so mess things up that the whole election would be redone. When both the Democrats and Whig/Anti-Masons installed separate speakers of the house, the Pennyslvania State Senate erupted in a riot. Which led to an armed mob attacking Harrisburg, which led to the state militia getting called out and [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores only 67 partially sober troops showing up]], which finally got the whole sorry mess settled. [[{{Understatement}} Politics could get lively in 19th century America.]]

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* Pennsylvania's Buckshot War started off this way when in 1838 the Democrats beat the incumbent Whig/[[ConspiracyTheorist Anti-Mason]]/Abolitionist ticket. The Anti-Masons decided to insert a phony list of winners in with the real office holders to so mess things up that the whole election would be redone. When both the Democrats and Whig/Anti-Masons installed separate speakers of the house, the Pennyslvania State Senate erupted in a riot. Which led to an armed mob attacking Harrisburg, which led to the state militia getting called out and [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores only 67 partially sober troops showing up]], which finally got the whole sorry mess settled. [[{{Understatement}} Politics could get lively in 19th century America.]]
26th Oct '16 9:54:50 AM TrollBrutal
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->''You boys play too rough for me. Knives in the Senate House? I didn't know you had it in you..''
-->-- '''Series/{{Rome}}'s Mark Antony''' delivering an oblique insult to Caesar's assassins.

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->''You ->''"You boys play too rough for me. Knives in the Senate House? I didn't know you had it in you..''
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-->-- '''Series/{{Rome}}'s Mark Antony''' delivering an oblique insult to Caesar's assassins.
'''Mark Antony''', ''Series/{{Rome}}''
26th Oct '16 7:50:27 AM TrollBrutal
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->''Mr. Sumner, I have read your speech twice over carefully. It is a libel on South Carolina, and Mr. Butler, who is a relative of mine.''
-->-- '''Congressman Preston Brooks''', seconds before the first swing of his gold-headed gutta-percha cane.

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->''Mr. Sumner, ->''You boys play too rough for me. Knives in the Senate House? I have read your speech twice over carefully. It is a libel on South Carolina, and Mr. Butler, who is a relative of mine.didn't know you had it in you..''
-->-- '''Congressman Preston Brooks''', seconds before the first swing of his gold-headed gutta-percha cane.
'''Series/{{Rome}}'s Mark Antony''' delivering an oblique insult to Caesar's assassins.
17th Oct '16 1:50:20 PM margdean56
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This sort of thing tends to occur in non-Anglophone legislatures and has provided material for satirical TV shows for years. More dramatic slants, especially in Western literature, often draw on the assassination of [[Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar Julius Caesar]] or [[Theatre/JuliusCaesar Shakespeare's famous dramatization]]. In the United States of America, this was surprisingly common prior to the Civil War and in its immediate aftermath, when slavery (and later the treatment of the recently freed slaves) arose tempers in North and South. The pagequote is one such example.

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This sort of thing tends to occur in non-Anglophone legislatures and has provided material for satirical TV shows for years. More dramatic slants, especially in Western literature, often draw on the assassination of [[Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar Julius Caesar]] or [[Theatre/JuliusCaesar Shakespeare's famous dramatization]]. In the United States of America, this was surprisingly common prior to the Civil War and in its immediate aftermath, when slavery (and later the treatment of the recently freed slaves) arose aroused tempers in North and South. The pagequote is one such example.
24th Sep '16 2:26:04 PM azul120
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* [[https://youtu.be/NUC2EQvdzmY "Nobody Speak,"]] by DJ Shadow feat. [[Music/ElP Run the Jewels]], shows two unidentified representatives/leaders of the United States and the United Kingdom start spitting fire at each other out of nowhere, horrifying everyone else at the summit. When the UK rep/PM eventually hits the American in the face, he responds by going after the guy with a broken pencil, sparking a full-out brawl. The cleaning woman is unimpressed.[[note]]For maximum irony, Mike and P themselves only make brief cameos as concerned onlookers, and never appear in the actual fight.[[/note]]

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* [[https://youtu.be/NUC2EQvdzmY "Nobody Speak,"]] Speak"]], by DJ Shadow feat. [[Music/ElP Run the Jewels]], shows two unidentified representatives/leaders of the United States and the United Kingdom start spitting fire at each other out of nowhere, horrifying everyone else at the summit. When the UK rep/PM eventually hits the American in the face, he responds by going after the guy with a broken pencil, sparking a full-out brawl. The cleaning woman is unimpressed.[[note]]For maximum irony, Mike and P themselves only make brief cameos as concerned onlookers, and never appear in the actual fight.[[/note]]
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* John Dickinson and John Adams get into a stick fight during the Continental Congress in ''[[Theatre/SeventeenSeventySix 1776]]''.

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* John Dickinson and John Adams get into a stick fight during the Continental Congress in ''[[Theatre/SeventeenSeventySix 1776]]''.
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* In September of 2015, in order to prevent a vote on significant changes to Japan's pacifist military policy, opposition tried to [[http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/world/asia/japan-military-bills-provoke-scuffling-in-parliament.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur steal the committee chair's microphone away,]] leading to a chamber-wide scuffle.

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* In September of 2015, in order to prevent a vote on significant changes to Japan's pacifist military policy, opposition tried to [[http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/world/asia/japan-military-bills-provoke-scuffling-in-parliament.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur steal the committee chair's microphone away,]] away]], leading to a chamber-wide scuffle.
scuffle.
6th Sep '16 7:33:05 PM WillKeaton
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** [[http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2012/05/language-conflicts And again in 2012]], this time over the issue of whether Russian should be an official language in the parts of Ukraine where it's widely spoken (note that due to historical and economic factors, this sort of thing is SeriousBusiness in Eastern Europe).

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** [[http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2012/05/language-conflicts And again in 2012]], 2012,]] this time over the issue of whether Russian should be an official language in the parts of Ukraine where it's widely spoken (note that due to historical and economic factors, this sort of thing is SeriousBusiness in Eastern Europe).



** The December 15, 2015 scuffle tops them all of course. It involved [[ConfusionFu a bouquet of roses]] and the Prime-Minister being carried by the ballsack. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDF7ib66yY It needs to be seen to be fully appreciated]].

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** The December 15, 2015 scuffle tops them all of course. It involved [[ConfusionFu a bouquet of roses]] and the Prime-Minister being carried by the ballsack. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDF7ib66yY It needs to be seen to be fully appreciated]].appreciated.]]



* Here's [[http://voices.yahoo.com/ready-rumble-greatest-fistfights-us-congress-2129050.html a list of famous Congress fist fights]].
* In September of 2015, in order to prevent a vote on significant changes to Japan's pacifist military policy, opposition tried to [[http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/world/asia/japan-military-bills-provoke-scuffling-in-parliament.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur steal the committee chair's microphone away]], leading to a chamber-wide scuffle.

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* Here's [[http://voices.yahoo.com/ready-rumble-greatest-fistfights-us-congress-2129050.html a list of famous Congress fist fights]].
fights.]]
* In September of 2015, in order to prevent a vote on significant changes to Japan's pacifist military policy, opposition tried to [[http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/world/asia/japan-military-bills-provoke-scuffling-in-parliament.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur steal the committee chair's microphone away]], away,]] leading to a chamber-wide scuffle.
6th Sep '16 7:30:23 PM WillKeaton
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzVhf9VdK28 And we Canadians thought we had it rough.]

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzVhf9VdK28 And we Canadians thought we had it rough.]]]
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