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18th Sep '16 1:04:14 PM nombretomado
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* In an ArchieComics story, Veronica tells Archie and Reggie that whoever scores the most baskets in the next school game gets to take her out that weekend. Reggie attempts to sabotage Archie by telling him that the best way to improve his basket-shooting is to criticize himself constantly and harshly while practicing. This goes Reggie's way until Coach Clayton sets Archie straight, telling him that he should do the opposite while practicing and build up his confidence. Archie indeed goes on to score the most baskets, leading Reggie to wonder whether there was something to his "advice" after all. The story ends with Reggie practicing while berating himself and surrounding himself with demotivational posters.

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* In an ArchieComics Franchise/ArchieComics story, Veronica tells Archie and Reggie that whoever scores the most baskets in the next school game gets to take her out that weekend. Reggie attempts to sabotage Archie by telling him that the best way to improve his basket-shooting is to criticize himself constantly and harshly while practicing. This goes Reggie's way until Coach Clayton sets Archie straight, telling him that he should do the opposite while practicing and build up his confidence. Archie indeed goes on to score the most baskets, leading Reggie to wonder whether there was something to his "advice" after all. The story ends with Reggie practicing while berating himself and surrounding himself with demotivational posters.
12th Sep '16 11:08:41 PM DrOO7
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* Some psychologists have postulated this as the reason why sociopaths feel no guilt or remorse over the lies they tell--they've twisted things around so much that in their mind, they might genuinely think that they're telling the truth or at the very least, are in the right regarding the situation in question.
16th Aug '16 3:03:37 AM obsessmuch
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* UsefulNotes/HenryVIII. His massive ego and self-righteous conviction changed him from Europe's 'golden prince' to the tyrant we remember today. He managed to convince himself that he was the rightful head of the church, that Anne Boleyn had cheated on him with several men, and that some of his closest advisors (Cardinal Wolsey, Thomas Moore, and Thomas Cromwell) were conspiring against him. All of these lies were very self-serving, but he fought for them with such conviction because he persuaded himself that they were true, and very few around him dared to contradict him.
---->'''David Starkey:''' Oh dear, people don't understand Henry at all, do they? The best and most convincing liars believe their own lies. Henry had an amazing gift of persuading himself that whatever is convenient is true.
30th Jul '16 12:52:55 PM KeithM
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** And also from ''Safehold'', this is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of church leader Zhaspahr Clyntahn--no matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone (and not just for him personally), often one that requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and he seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. [[spoiler:There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by an enemy of the church. As the meeting goes on, the others slowly realize one by one that ''he'' paid the assassins, [[FalseFlagOperation just so the enemy of the church would be blamed]], but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]

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** And also from ''Safehold'', this is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of church leader Zhaspahr Clyntahn--no matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone (and not just for him personally), often one that requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and sometimes even facts [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow he knows they know]]. He seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. [[spoiler:There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by an enemy of the church. As the meeting goes on, the others slowly realize one by one that ''he'' paid the assassins, [[FalseFlagOperation just so the enemy of the church would be blamed]], but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]
30th Jul '16 12:47:02 PM nombretomado
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** Also from DavidWeber are the "Archangels" of the ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'' series, especially Langhorne and Bedard. They set up a PathOfInspiration specifically to keep humanity from developing technology again, in violation of the original plans for their mission, in part to satisfy their own megalomania. Pei Kau-Yung grew concerned that they had actually come to believe they were angels.

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** Also from DavidWeber Creator/DavidWeber are the "Archangels" of the ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'' series, especially Langhorne and Bedard. They set up a PathOfInspiration specifically to keep humanity from developing technology again, in violation of the original plans for their mission, in part to satisfy their own megalomania. Pei Kau-Yung grew concerned that they had actually come to believe they were angels.
26th Jul '16 1:11:20 PM Chaosenvoy
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** And let's not forget the episode in which she tried to convince the babies that the sky is falling, and ends up believing it herself.

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** And let's not forget the episode in which she tried to convince the babies that the sky is falling, and ends up believing it herself.herself after a stray tennis ball falls on her head.
8th Jul '16 1:05:06 AM RobTan
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** The Nazi Ambassador to Britain genuinely believed that the abdication of the allegedly pro-Nazi Edward VIII and replacement by the much less friednly George VI was the result of a Jewish/Masonic conspiracy. He also believed that the abdication would precipitate a civil war between Edward's supporters and parliament. It wasn't, and it didn't.
23rd May '16 9:38:29 PM Odacon_Spy
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** And also from ''Safehold'', this is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of church leader Zhaspahr Clyntahn--no matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone (and not just for him personally), often one that requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and he seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. [[spoiler:There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by an enemy of the church. The others realize one by one that ''he'' paid the assassins, just so the enemy of the church would be blamed, but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]

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** And also from ''Safehold'', this is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of church leader Zhaspahr Clyntahn--no matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone (and not just for him personally), often one that requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and he seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. [[spoiler:There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by an enemy of the church. The As the meeting goes on, the others slowly realize one by one that ''he'' paid the assassins, [[FalseFlagOperation just so the enemy of the church would be blamed, blamed]], but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]
11th May '16 7:41:19 PM M84
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** The above is one reason eyewitness testimony and even ''confessions'' aren't 100% reliable, even when the person providing it is trying to be sincere. Then consider that the results of quite a few court cases were (and still are) due almost entirely to eyewitness testimony and confessions.

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** The above is one reason eyewitness testimony and even ''confessions'' aren't 100% reliable, even when the person providing it is trying to be sincere. Then consider that the results of quite a few court cases were (and still are) due almost entirely to eyewitness testimony and confessions. [[FridgeHorror Including cases where the defendants' lives were on the line.]]
11th May '16 7:40:18 PM M84
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** The above is one reason eyewitness testimony and even ''confessions'' aren't 100% reliable, even when the person providing it is trying to be sincere.

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** The above is one reason eyewitness testimony and even ''confessions'' aren't 100% reliable, even when the person providing it is trying to be sincere. Then consider that the results of quite a few court cases were (and still are) due almost entirely to eyewitness testimony and confessions.
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