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15th Jan '17 5:47:06 PM thatother1dude
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* Happens to Angelica on ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' several times. For example:
** In one episode, after tricking Chuckie into thinking a disease she made up is turning him into a rhinoceros, a horn-shaped bump on her head, along with gray-colored scabs on her legs, leads her to think that ''she'' has contracted "rhinoceritis". Also counts as LaserGuidedKarma.
** After all the babies come down with chicken pox, Angelica, being the AlphaBitch that she is, convinces them that they'll all turn into actual chickens. By the end of the episode, she herself has contracted the pox, and when an egg falls into her car seat, she freaks out and believes that she's turning into a chicken herself.
** And let's not forget the episode in which she tried to convince the babies that the sky is falling, and ends up believing it herself after a stray tennis ball falls on her head.
** There was also the episode where Stu and Didi give Tommy's old toys to Dil, and Angelica tells Tommy that once his parents give all of his old stuff to Dil, he'll disappear. In the end, Susie explains that a person doesn't disappear from giving away hand-me-downs. Angelica expresses her thankfulness on being an only child, and thus gets to keep all of her stuff, but then her dad comes by and tells her that he and Charlotte have decided to give all of her old stuff to Tommy. This causes Angelica to scream in fear that ''she'll'' disappear once her parents give all of her old stuff to Tommy.
** Another episode had Angelica scaring Tommy and Chuckie by saying they'll get sucked down the drain (After an incident where Tommy accidentally loses one of his toys this way) whenever they take a bath, and throughout the episode they try to find ways to get out of it, which includes flushing anything bath time related down the toilet. Ironically, she accidentally flushes her own doll, Cynthia, down the toilet. The plumber recovers it, but the doll is ruined.

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* Happens to Angelica on of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' several times. For example:
usually torments the younger babies by lying to them about some mundane thing to make it seem terrifying. Correspondingly, her [[LaserGuidedKarma comeuppance]] often involves circumstances making her think she was right:
** In one episode, after After tricking Chuckie into thinking a disease she made up is turning him into a rhinoceros, a horn-shaped bump on her head, along with gray-colored scabs on her legs, leads her to think that ''she'' has contracted "rhinoceritis". Also counts as LaserGuidedKarma.
"rhinoceritis".
** After all the babies come down with chicken pox, Angelica, being the AlphaBitch that she is, Angelica convinces them that they'll all turn into actual chickens. By the end of the episode, she herself has contracted the pox, and when an egg falls into her car seat, she freaks out and believes that she's turning into a chicken herself.
** And let's not forget the episode in which she She tried to convince the babies that the sky is falling, and ends up believing it herself after a stray tennis ball falls on her head.
** There was also the episode where Stu and Didi give Tommy's old toys to Dil, and Angelica tells Tommy that once his parents give all of his old stuff to Dil, he'll disappear. In the end, Susie explains that a person doesn't disappear from giving away hand-me-downs. Angelica expresses her thankfulness on being an only child, and thus gets to keep all of her stuff, but then her dad comes by and tells her that he and Charlotte have decided to give all of her old stuff to Tommy. This causes Angelica to scream in fear that ''she'll'' disappear once her parents give all of her old stuff to Tommy.
** Another episode had Angelica scaring Tommy and Chuckie by saying they'll get sucked down the drain (After After an incident where Tommy accidentally loses one of his toys this way) whenever down the drain, Angelica scares Tommy and Chuckie by saying they take a bath, and throughout could suffer the same fate. Throughout the episode they try to find ways to get out of it, which includes flushing anything bath time related down the toilet. Ironically, she accidentally flushes her own doll, Cynthia, down the toilet. The plumber recovers it, but the doll is ruined.



* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/SonicBoom'', Knuckles starts bragging that he defeated Eggman by himself, won over the girls, and was elected governor while Sonic cowardly ran away. When everyone points out that's not how it happened, he brushes them off and starts thinking up his acceptance speech as governor. Of course, Knuckles is an idiot - he would believe this sort of thing.

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* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/SonicBoom'', Knuckles starts bragging that [[SelfServingMemory he defeated Eggman by himself, won over the girls, and was elected governor while Sonic cowardly ran away.away]]. When everyone points out that's not how it happened, he brushes them off and starts thinking up his acceptance speech as governor. Of course, Knuckles is an idiot - he would believe this sort of thing.
1st Jan '17 2:56:15 PM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/{{Edgedancer}}'', Nale has managed to convince himself that the next [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Desolation]] is not coming, despite mounting evidence to the contrary, including things he sees with his own eyes. [[spoiler:Subverted as it turns out he has mounting doubts and is desperate to convince himself that the Desolation isn't real. Unfortunately for him, the lies don't take as well as he would wish them to.]]
24th Dec '16 10:17:48 AM gb00393
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** Joffrey seems to truly think of himself as a magnificent and heroic king, constantly boasting of crushing his enemies even though his faction's success is entirely founded on the competence of his uncle and grandfather, and in spite of Joffrey's interference.

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** Joffrey seems to truly think of himself as a magnificent and heroic king, constantly boasting of crushing his enemies even though his faction's success is entirely founded on the competence of his uncle and grandfather, and in spite ''in spite'' of Joffrey's interference.
24th Dec '16 10:17:16 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** Joffrey seems to truly think of himself as a magnificent and heroic king, constantly boasting of crushing his enemies even though his faction's success is entirely founded on the competence of his uncle and grandfather, and in spite of Joffrey's interference.
** Making honest feelings do dishonest work is one of Cersei's many gifts. Oberyn and Tyrion even discuss this after Cersei brings up her daughter in a blatant attempt to gain sympathy.
11th Dec '16 8:10:57 AM Doug86
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A character, typically an antagonist, is known for for making some outrageous claims. Either [[MaliciousSlander vicious attacks against their foes]], [[AGodAmI claims of divinity]], or [[MilesGloriosus consistently twisting events so they look better]].

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A character, typically an antagonist, is known for for making some outrageous claims. Either [[MaliciousSlander vicious attacks against their foes]], [[AGodAmI claims of divinity]], or [[MilesGloriosus consistently twisting events so they look better]].



* The manga-only arc Onisarashi-hen from ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' has Natsumi [[spoiler: stating to the police that her mother killed her grandmother, then, after hiding the body, stabbed her father in the back of the neck for being incompetent and useless, then killing herself by slashing her throat open with a knife that she tried to kill Natsumi with.]] In chapter 7, [[spoiler: we find out that Natsumi commited all of the murders; she killed her grandmother, then got her parents to help hide her, stabbed her father in the front of his neck, and then killed her mother after she called for help when Akira called the house.]] Didn't you think [[spoiler: that Natsumi being the only one getting covered in blood, even though she wasn't killing anyone, was kind of wierd?]]

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* The manga-only arc Onisarashi-hen from ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' has Natsumi [[spoiler: stating to the police that her mother killed her grandmother, then, after hiding the body, stabbed her father in the back of the neck for being incompetent and useless, then killing herself by slashing her throat open with a knife that she tried to kill Natsumi with.]] In chapter 7, [[spoiler: we find out that Natsumi commited committed all of the murders; she killed her grandmother, then got her parents to help hide her, stabbed her father in the front of his neck, and then killed her mother after she called for help when Akira called the house.]] Didn't you think [[spoiler: that Natsumi being the only one getting covered in blood, even though she wasn't killing anyone, was kind of wierd?]]weird?]]



* DependingOnTheWriter, sometimes ComicBook/LexLuthor ''actually believes'' that he is fighting to protect humanity from {{Superman}}. Other more minor villains, like (the most recent version of) Sam Lane, may believe the same.

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* DependingOnTheWriter, sometimes ComicBook/LexLuthor ''actually believes'' that he is fighting to protect humanity from {{Superman}}.Franchise/{{Superman}}. Other more minor villains, like (the most recent version of) Sam Lane, may believe the same.



*** The Masadans also believe things happened in a way that can't possible be true, all so that they can hold their women in less than slavery and continue to pursue their goal of destroying Grayson.

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*** The Masadans also believe things happened in a way that can't possible possibly be true, all so that they can hold their women in less than slavery and continue to pursue their goal of destroying Grayson.



** Gollum really believes that the ring was supposed to be his birthday gift. However the ring is shown to corrupt every being who bears it, given a long enough time period. A major element of this corruption is that all it takes is close proximity to the ring to make a being eventually come to believe that they deserve to have it; that it is right and true and fair that they possess and wield it.

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** Gollum really believes that the ring was supposed to be his birthday gift. However However, the ring is shown to corrupt every being who bears it, given a long enough time period. A major element of this corruption is that all it takes is close proximity to the ring to make a being eventually come to believe that they deserve to have it; that it is right and true and fair that they possess and wield it.



* A minor character, [[spoiler:Mrs. Luxmore,]] in the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/HerculePoirot Cards On The Table]]''. This led to [[spoiler: Major Despard]] being part of Mr Shaitana's collection of uncaught murderers, because she'd convinced herself he'd killed for her. To elaborate: [[spoiler: Mr. Luxmore was a botanist who hired Major Despard as a guide to a jungle tour. During the trip, Mrs. Luxmore made advances on Despard, who did not reciprocate. Mr. Luxmore suffered from a bout of fever and fell into delirium one night. Major Despard followed with his rifle, intending to merely take down the raving Luxmore without hurting him. Mrs. Luxmore surprised him and believed he was about to kill the botanist for her, so she tackled Despard, changing his nonlethal shot into a killing one.]]

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* A minor character, [[spoiler:Mrs. Luxmore,]] in the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/HerculePoirot Cards On The on the Table]]''. This led to [[spoiler: Major Despard]] being part of Mr Shaitana's collection of uncaught murderers, because she'd convinced herself he'd killed for her. To elaborate: [[spoiler: Mr. Luxmore was a botanist who hired Major Despard as a guide to a jungle tour. During the trip, Mrs. Luxmore made advances on Despard, who did not reciprocate. Mr. Luxmore suffered from a bout of fever and fell into delirium one night. Major Despard followed with his rifle, intending to merely take down the raving Luxmore without hurting him. Mrs. Luxmore surprised him and believed he was about to kill the botanist for her, so she tackled Despard, changing his nonlethal shot into a killing one.]]



* This is a key plot-point in ''Literature/TheDaggerAndTheCoin'': the priest of the spider goddess have the magic power to make anyone who hears their voices believe whatever they say. This includes themselves. As a result, they become completely certain that they are invincible and can conquer the whole world. At the same time, once they are divided in multiple temples in multiple cities, each group starts to become completely certain of its own particular version of the faith, and just as certain that the other temples are all heretics. As such, their empire begins to come apart.

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* This is a key plot-point in ''Literature/TheDaggerAndTheCoin'': the priest priests of the spider goddess have the magic power to make anyone who hears their voices believe whatever they say. This includes themselves. As a result, they become completely certain that they are invincible and can conquer the whole world. At the same time, once they are divided in multiple temples in multiple cities, each group starts to become completely certain of its own particular version of the faith, and just as certain that the other temples are all heretics. As such, their empire begins to come apart.



* One episode of ''Series/{{Numb3rs}}'' had a mob killer who wanted to make a confession, but while he passed the polygraph and even an MRI scan, the confession didn't match the facts. It turned out he'd been so horrified by the crime ([[spoiler: which he hadn't even been able to commit]]) that he'd combined it in his head with a much cleaner kill from a different occasion, and genuinely believed that was what happened.

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* One episode of ''Series/{{Numb3rs}}'' had a mob killer who wanted to make a confession, but while he passed the polygraph and even an MRI scan, the confession didn't match the facts. It turned out he'd been so horrified by the crime ([[spoiler: which ([[spoiler:which he hadn't even been able to commit]]) that he'd combined it in his head with a much cleaner kill from a different occasion, and genuinely believed that was what happened.



** The Nazi Ambassador to Britain genuinely believed that the abdication of the allegedly pro-Nazi Edward VIII and replacement by the much less friednly George VI was the result of a Jewish/Masonic conspiracy. He also believed that the abdication would precipitate a civil war between Edward's supporters and parliament. It wasn't, and it didn't.

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** The Nazi Ambassador to Britain genuinely believed that the abdication of the allegedly pro-Nazi Edward VIII and replacement by the much less friednly friendly George VI was the result of a Jewish/Masonic conspiracy. He also believed that the abdication would precipitate a civil war between Edward's supporters and parliament. It wasn't, and it didn't.



** When UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo began to 'go south', the [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun Army and Navy]] of UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan took its constant and comprehensive lying about the losses it inflicted and raised them to new heights. While censorship and propaganda was a given in the media of Imperial Japan, especially [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar since the outbreak of war in 1937]], the post-1941 situation was unique in that the country's military leadership also began to ''deceive itself'' when reporting the outcome of various actions as well as its overall strength and disposition (and that of the enemy). Only a tiny handful of individuals at the very top of both services actually knew what was going on concerning any one issue like troop strength or aircraft production or food reserves - the Showa Emperor ensured that full knowledge of the war effort was known only to General Tojo and himself (and, when Tojo fell, 'just' himself). [[note]] The increasingly disastrous defeats and ineffective attacks were rewritten as glorious victories and crushing defeats inflicted upon the Allies. The army often claimed fantastic victories (when they in fact had been defeated) and assigned their commanders ludicrous objectives based upon these assumptions, and the navy and the air force again and again claimed to have sunk entire American fleets, even when they had sunk no ships at all (certain American vessels, such as the ''Enterprise'' and the ''Essex'' were claimed to have been sunk multiple times). The Japanese high command, desperate to hold off the Americans, eagerly swallowed these lies and didn't bother to confirm them before informing the other branches of the service. This had disastrous consequences for all concerned; the army would often launch attacks and hold impossible positions because the navy blustered that the American fleet had been sunk, and vice versa.[[/note]] Although decades of 'reading between the lines' meant the Japanese people ''knew'' things were going to hell, the true extent to which the country was on the verge of total socio-economic-demographic collapse and military defeat (i.e. a few months)[[note]]the country had been a large importer of food before 1944. The food shortages resulting from the Allied blockade were a death sentence for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in the upcoming winter of 1945-6. ''Operation Downfall'', and the millions of deaths it entailed, was also just a couple of months from being implemented.[[/note]] still came as a shock to many upon the Empire's surrender.

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** When UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo began to 'go south', the [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun Army and Navy]] of UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan took its constant and comprehensive lying about the losses it inflicted and raised them to new heights. While censorship and propaganda was a given in the media of Imperial Japan, especially [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar since the outbreak of war in 1937]], the post-1941 situation was unique in that the country's military leadership also began to ''deceive itself'' when reporting the outcome of various actions as well as its overall strength and disposition (and that of the enemy). Only a tiny handful of individuals at the very top of both services actually knew what was going on concerning any one issue like troop strength or aircraft production or food reserves - the Showa Emperor ensured that full knowledge of the war effort was known only to General Tojo and himself (and, when Tojo fell, 'just' himself). [[note]] The increasingly disastrous defeats and ineffective attacks were rewritten as glorious victories and crushing defeats inflicted upon the Allies. The army often claimed fantastic victories (when they in fact had been defeated) and assigned their commanders ludicrous objectives based upon these assumptions, and the navy and the air force again and again claimed to have sunk entire American fleets, even when they had sunk no ships at all (certain American vessels, such as the ''Enterprise'' and the ''Essex'' were claimed to have been sunk multiple times). The Japanese high command, desperate to hold off the Americans, eagerly swallowed these lies and didn't bother to confirm them before informing the other branches of the service. This had disastrous consequences for all concerned; the army would often launch attacks and hold impossible positions because the navy blustered that the American fleet had been sunk, and vice versa.[[/note]] Although decades of 'reading between the lines' meant the Japanese people ''knew'' things were going to hell, the true extent to which the country was on the verge of total socio-economic-demographic collapse and military defeat (i.e. a few months)[[note]]the country had been a large importer of food before 1944. The food shortages resulting from the Allied blockade were a death sentence for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, in the upcoming winter of 1945-6. ''Operation Downfall'', and the millions of deaths it entailed, was also just a couple of months from being implemented.[[/note]] It still came as a shock to many upon the Empire's surrender.
11th Dec '16 12:15:08 AM sgamer82
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*** This is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of Grand Inquisitor Zhaspahr Clyntahn. No matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone, and not just for him personally. This justification often requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and sometimes even facts [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow he knows they know]]. He seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by the protagonists. As the meeting goes on, the others slowly realize one by one that ''Clyntahn'' paid the assassins, [[FalseFlagOperation just so the protagonists would be blamed]], but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]

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*** This is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of Grand Inquisitor Zhaspahr Clyntahn. No matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone, and not just for him personally. This justification often requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and sometimes even facts [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow he knows they know]]. He seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by the protagonists. As the meeting goes on, the others slowly realize one by one that ''Clyntahn'' paid the assassins, [[FalseFlagOperation just so the protagonists would be blamed]], but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]
11th Dec '16 12:14:35 AM sgamer82
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* David Weber has done this in two of his series:
** Cordelia Ransom, from ''Literature/HonorHarrington'', is the head of the Office of Public Information for the People's Republic of Haven. She is the one who manages the PRH's propaganda, and in ''In Enemy Hands'' Citizen Admiral Thomas Theisman is horrified to realize that she seems to genuinely believe every word she broadcasts, and we see that her fellow heads of state are very concerned that Ransom believes her own propaganda.

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* David Weber has done this in two of his series:
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** ''Literature/HonorHarrington:''
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Cordelia Ransom, from ''Literature/HonorHarrington'', Ransom is the head of the Office of Public Information for the People's Republic of Haven. She is the one who manages the PRH's propaganda, and in ''In Enemy Hands'' Citizen Admiral Thomas Theisman is horrified to realize that she seems to genuinely believe every word she broadcasts, and we see that her fellow heads of state are very concerned that Ransom believes her own propaganda.



** Also from Creator/DavidWeber are the "Archangels" of the ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'' series, especially Langhorne and Bedard. They set up a PathOfInspiration specifically to keep humanity from developing technology again, in violation of the original plans for their mission, in part to satisfy their own megalomania. Pei Kau-Yung grew concerned that they had actually come to believe they were angels.
** And also from ''Safehold'', this is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of church leader Zhaspahr Clyntahn--no matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone (and not just for him personally), often one that requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and sometimes even facts [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow he knows they know]]. He seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. [[spoiler:There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by an enemy of the church. As the meeting goes on, the others slowly realize one by one that ''he'' paid the assassins, [[FalseFlagOperation just so the enemy of the church would be blamed]], but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]

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** Also from Creator/DavidWeber are the "Archangels" of the ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'' series, ''Literature/{{Safehold}}:''
*** The "Archangels",
especially Langhorne and Bedard.Bédard. They set up a PathOfInspiration specifically to keep humanity from developing technology again, in violation of the original plans for their mission, in part to satisfy their own megalomania. Pei Kau-Yung grew concerned that they had actually come to believe they were angels.
** And also from ''Safehold'', this *** This is, and is lampshaded as, the single creepiest attribute of church leader Grand Inquisitor Zhaspahr Clyntahn--no Clyntahn. No matter what he does, he can come up with a justification for why it's the best course of action for everyone (and everyone, and not just for him personally), personally. This justification often one that requires blatant disregard of facts he knows and doesn't know everyone else knows, and sometimes even facts [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow he knows they know]]. He seems to have compartmentalized his mind to such a degree that he can think himself innocent even as he knows he's guilty. [[spoiler:There's There's a scene in the third book where he and his fellows debate the proper course of action in response to a murder apparently committed by an enemy of the church. protagonists. As the meeting goes on, the others slowly realize one by one that ''he'' ''Clyntahn'' paid the assassins, [[FalseFlagOperation just so the enemy of the church protagonists would be blamed]], but at any intimation the others make of this he's as indignant as if his conscience was spotless.]]
10th Dec '16 7:26:05 AM Taskmaster123
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** Imperial Japan also highlights the problem with governments doing this so reflexively that they forget a fundamental truth: You can fool some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, ''but you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.'' The people get so used to it that they become experts at reading between the lines. As another troper already pointed out, the problem with the Japanese government proclaiming that every battle with the enemy resulted in a "great victory" was that any Japanese citizen with access to a map could plainly see that every "great victory" ''was getting closer and closer to the home islands.'' Food was getting hard to find. Supplies were being rationed. Where were all those American bombers coming from? Why wasn't damage from the bombing being repaired right away? Why aren't our soldiers and sailors coming home after these "great victories" to celebrate? Towards the end of the war, every thinking Japanese citizen was fully aware of how much trouble their country was in.
10th Dec '16 12:14:01 AM TheBigBopper
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* In the aftermath of the 2016 presidential election, where numerous "mainstream" media outlets had convinced themselves that Hillary would win ''by a landslide'' because they couldn't fathom anyone actually support Trump due to being fully in lockstep with Hillary's propaganda that Trump supporters were "a basket of deplorables," a handful of racist, sexist, bigoted, "ist" crowd not worth noting. Come the election result, several prominent figures, like Mr. Stephenopolis, admit, of their own volition, that they didn't note any Trump supporters, because their own coverage either ignored them, or harassed them into hiding, with numerous accounts of violence, vandalism, and death threats directed against said Trump supporters, by self-proclaimed "Never Trumpers." The Democrat party and its supporters, either protesting or having an existential meltdown, are desperate to try and find some [[IRejectYourReality other reason.]]
5th Dec '16 3:46:31 PM ngh93
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**Another episode had Angelica scaring Tommy and Chuckie by saying they'll get sucked down the drain (After an incident where Tommy accidentally loses one of his toys this way) whenever they take a bath, and throughout the episode they try to find ways to get out of it, which includes flushing anything bath time related down the toilet. Ironically, she accidentally flushes her own doll, Cynthia, down the toilet. The plumber recovers it, but the doll is ruined.
-->'''Angelica''' (''sobbing''): It's true! It's true! You can get sucked down the drain!
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