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26th Aug '16 11:05:59 AM Gamermaster
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* The premise of ''Manga/KaguyaSamaWaKokurasetai'' is two teenagers trying to force each other into a LoveConfession. Most chapters quickly turn into a game of XanatosSpeedChess.
16th Aug '16 8:55:36 PM eowynjedi
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* Numerous instances in ''Literature/WolfHall'', but there's a notable subversion near the end of ''Bring Up the Bodies''. Thomas Cromwell has prepared himself for a long battle of wits to entrap Mark Smeaton by positioning himself as trying to protect Anne Boleyn from all these enemies she's got. Thirty seconds in and Mark is boasting that Anne is desperately in love with him. Cromwell says after, "Well, there aren't many men alive who can say they took me by surprise."
2nd Jun '16 12:55:46 PM Morgenthaler
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5th May '16 6:51:23 AM Euodiachloris
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** Historically, this was [[ZeroPercentAprovalRating Brynden]] [[HateSink Rivers']] whole shtick as [[HypercompitentSidekick Hand]] to two Targaryen kings. Every time the Blackfyres tried to start rebellion, he undercut each and every attempt using information, spies, policing and other underhanded tactics and chains of shady strategies they (and even his own allies) would never stoop to or expect -- including calculated assassinations of relatives at critical points. It worked. [[TheExtremistWasRight He got hated and exiled, but the cunning worked]].

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** Historically, this was [[ZeroPercentAprovalRating [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Brynden]] [[HateSink Rivers']] whole shtick as [[HypercompitentSidekick [[HypercompetentSidekick Hand]] to two Targaryen kings. Every time the Blackfyres tried to start rebellion, he undercut each and every attempt using information, spies, policing and other underhanded tactics and chains of shady strategies they (and even his own allies) would never stoop to or expect -- including calculated assassinations of relatives at critical points. It worked. [[TheExtremistWasRight He got hated and exiled, but the cunning worked]].
worked]]: the Blackfyres wound up epically losing every time they took to the field, becoming less and less of a threat.
3rd May '16 9:59:28 AM Euodiachloris
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** Historically, this was [[ZeroPercentAprovalRating Brynden]] [[HateSink Rivers']] whole shtick as [[HypercompitentSidekick Hand]] to two Targaryen kings. Every time the Blackfyres tried to start rebellion, he undercut each and every attempt using information, spies, policing and other underhanded tactics and chains of shady strategies they (and even his own allies) would never stoop to or expect -- including calculated assassinations of relatives at critical points. It worked. [[TheExtremistWasRight He got hated and exiled, but the cunning worked]].
31st Jan '16 10:43:43 AM Euodiachloris
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* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' gives us these dressed in many guises. Even as more conventional battles for when you want to curtail whole wars. For all Westeros seems to value brawn over brains, when push comes to shove, the series hammers home the lesson that if you don't fight ''intelligently'' with an eye to the long game and using ''every'' tool you've got while not just leaving everything to your army or your strength alone, you can and will wind up losing down the line.
** The Lannisters as a clan specialise in the pragmatic and calculated use of wits... [[SnarkToSnarkCombat and sarcasm]]. [[ManipulativeBastard Tywin]] and [[GuileHero Tyrion]], in particular, are both masters: Tywin mainly through deeds, Tyrion very much through words. [[LadyMacbeth Cersei]] ''thinks'' she's good at this [[RegentForLife kind of thing]]. [[PassiveAggressiveKombat And, she is]]. [[VillainBall Up to a point]]. The problem is, she could [[SmugSnake never be as good as she believes herself to be]]. [[TheConsigliere Kevan]] is also a surprise contender to many all-too used to him living beneath his brother's shadow. Jaime, too, can also be a left-field surprise -- [[HiddenDepths when he gets his headspace right on a good day]], since he's not just the BloodKnight many view him as. He rather likes avoiding ''stupid'' or, worse, boring fights if trolling will work, instead. It's just a pity they all turn their skills on each other as much as they do upon anybody else.
** Littlefinger isn't adverse to pitting his wits and words against all comers. [[spoiler: And, by "all comers" we actually mean "the entire continent". Westeros hasn't realised it yet, but he's pretty much hung the Seven Kingdoms out to dry with his schemes. He's not so much avoiding wars as making sure that other people fight costly wars that'll benefit ''him''.]]
** Lord Varys is a one-man, government-subverting machine. He schemes like others eat. Saying he battles with wits is pretty redundant.

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* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' gives us these dressed in many guises. Even as more conventional battles for when you want to curtail whole wars. massive wars of sprawling stupidity. For all Westeros seems to value brawn over brains, when push comes to shove, the series hammers home the lesson that if you don't fight ''intelligently'' with an eye to the long game and using ''every'' possible tool you've got while not and ''not'' just leaving everything to your army or your physical and numerical strength alone, you can and will wind up losing down the line.
** The Lannisters as a clan specialise in the pragmatic and calculated use of wits... [[SnarkToSnarkCombat and sarcasm]]. [[ManipulativeBastard Tywin]] and [[GuileHero Tyrion]], in particular, are both masters: Tywin mainly through deeds, Tyrion very much through words. [[LadyMacbeth Cersei]] ''thinks'' she's good at this [[RegentForLife kind of thing]]. [[PassiveAggressiveKombat And, she is]]. [[VillainBall Up to a point]]. The problem is, she could [[SmugSnake never be as good as she believes herself to be]]. [[TheConsigliere Kevan]] is also a surprise contender to many all-too used to him living beneath his brother's shadow. Jaime, [[BrilliantButLazy Jaime]], too, can also be a left-field surprise -- [[HiddenDepths when he gets his headspace right on a good day]], since he's not just the BloodKnight many view him as. He rather likes avoiding ''stupid'' or, worse, plain boring fights if trolling will work, instead. It's just a pity they all turn their skills on each other as much as they do upon anybody else.
** Littlefinger isn't adverse to pitting his wits and words against all comers. [[spoiler: And, by "all comers" we actually mean "the "[[DivideAndConquer the entire continent".continent]]". Westeros hasn't realised it yet, but he's pretty much hung the Seven Kingdoms out to dry with his schemes. He's not so much avoiding wars as making sure that other ''other'' people fight costly wars that'll benefit ''him''.]]
** Lord Varys is a one-man, government-subverting machine. He schemes like others eat. Saying he battles with wits to do this is pretty redundant.
22nd Jan '16 1:40:00 PM Euodiachloris
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** The Lannisters as a clan specialise in the pragmatic and calculated use of wits... [[SnarkToSnarkCombat and sarcasm]]. [[ManipulativeBastard Tywin]] and [[GuileHero Tyrion]], in particular, are both masters: Tywin mainly through deeds, Tyrion very much through words. Cersei ''thinks'' she's good at this. And, she is. [[VillainBall Up to a point]]. The problem is, she could [[SmugSnake never be as good as she believes herself to be]]. Kevan is also a surprise contender to many all-too used to him living beneath his brother's shadow. Jaime, too, can also be a left-field surprise -- [[HiddenDepths when he gets his headspace right on a good day]], since he's not just the BloodKnight many view him as. He rather likes avoiding ''stupid'' or, worse, boring fights if trolling will work, instead. It's just a pity they all turn their skills on each other as much as they do upon anybody else.

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** The Lannisters as a clan specialise in the pragmatic and calculated use of wits... [[SnarkToSnarkCombat and sarcasm]]. [[ManipulativeBastard Tywin]] and [[GuileHero Tyrion]], in particular, are both masters: Tywin mainly through deeds, Tyrion very much through words. Cersei [[LadyMacbeth Cersei]] ''thinks'' she's good at this. this [[RegentForLife kind of thing]]. [[PassiveAggressiveKombat And, she is.is]]. [[VillainBall Up to a point]]. The problem is, she could [[SmugSnake never be as good as she believes herself to be]]. Kevan [[TheConsigliere Kevan]] is also a surprise contender to many all-too used to him living beneath his brother's shadow. Jaime, too, can also be a left-field surprise -- [[HiddenDepths when he gets his headspace right on a good day]], since he's not just the BloodKnight many view him as. He rather likes avoiding ''stupid'' or, worse, boring fights if trolling will work, instead. It's just a pity they all turn their skills on each other as much as they do upon anybody else.
22nd Jan '16 1:25:32 PM Euodiachloris
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** The Lannisters as a clan specialise in the pragmatic and calculated use of wits... [[SnarkToSnarkCombat and sarcasm]]. Tywin and Tyrion, in particular, are both masters: Tywin mainly through deeds, Tyrion very much through words. Cersei ''thinks'' she's good at this. And, she is. [[VillainBall Up to a point]]. The problem is, she could [[SmugSnake never be as good as she believes herself to be]]. Kevan is also a surprise contender to many all-too used to him being under his brother's shadow. Jaime, too, can also be a left-field surprise, when he gets his headspace right on a good day, since he's not just the BloodKnight many view him as. He's not adverse to avoiding a ''stupid'' fight if trolling works instead. It's just a pity they all turn their skills on each other as much as they do upon anybody else.

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** The Lannisters as a clan specialise in the pragmatic and calculated use of wits... [[SnarkToSnarkCombat and sarcasm]]. Tywin [[ManipulativeBastard Tywin]] and Tyrion, [[GuileHero Tyrion]], in particular, are both masters: Tywin mainly through deeds, Tyrion very much through words. Cersei ''thinks'' she's good at this. And, she is. [[VillainBall Up to a point]]. The problem is, she could [[SmugSnake never be as good as she believes herself to be]]. Kevan is also a surprise contender to many all-too used to him being under living beneath his brother's shadow. Jaime, too, can also be a left-field surprise, surprise -- [[HiddenDepths when he gets his headspace right on a good day, day]], since he's not just the BloodKnight many view him as. He's not adverse to He rather likes avoiding a ''stupid'' fight or, worse, boring fights if trolling works will work, instead. It's just a pity they all turn their skills on each other as much as they do upon anybody else.
2nd Jan '16 10:17:06 AM nombretomado
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* ''Film/HuntingHumans'' is about a battle of wits between two CrazyPrepared, supposedly ingenious {{serial killer}}s, [[AwesomeMcCoolname Aric and Dark]]. The fact that this information comes form a ''SomethingAwful'' [[http://www.somethingawful.com/d/movie-reviews/hunting-humans.php review]] might suggest something about how well it works.

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* ''Film/HuntingHumans'' is about a battle of wits between two CrazyPrepared, supposedly ingenious {{serial killer}}s, [[AwesomeMcCoolname Aric and Dark]]. The fact that this information comes form a ''SomethingAwful'' ''Website/SomethingAwful'' [[http://www.somethingawful.com/d/movie-reviews/hunting-humans.php review]] might suggest something about how well it works.
19th Sep '15 12:52:38 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted with the Trial of Head, Hand and Heart in ''ElfQuest''. Rayek's solution to the Trial of Head is clearly smarter than Cutter's, but Cutter wins by luck. Rayek justifiably complains, but Savah, who's officiating, lets it slide because she knows the upcoming Trial of Heart will be more decisive.

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* Subverted with the Trial of Head, Hand and Heart in ''ElfQuest''.''ComicBook/ElfQuest''. Rayek's solution to the Trial of Head is clearly smarter than Cutter's, but Cutter wins by luck. Rayek justifiably complains, but Savah, who's officiating, lets it slide because she knows the upcoming Trial of Heart will be more decisive.
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