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27th Aug '16 8:03:45 PM Draghinazzo
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* A cursory glance at Oyasumi Punpun make it seem like a cute slice-of-life story about some cartoon bird doodle and a cute little girl. However it is an actually an extremely dark ComingOfAgeStory and character drama, which isn’t afraid to show the characters’ depravity and pettiness. It’s won itself critical acclaim and a devoted following for those reasons, but even fans admit the story is so bleak that it can be hard to stomach for many people. An interview with Inio Asano, the author, stated that volume sales had a noticeable decline every time something really upsetting and dark happened.

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* A cursory glance at Oyasumi Punpun ''Manga/OyasumiPunpun'' make it seem like a cute slice-of-life story about some cartoon bird doodle and a cute little girl. However it is an actually an extremely dark ComingOfAgeStory and character drama, which isn’t afraid to show the characters’ depravity and pettiness. It’s won itself critical acclaim and a devoted following for those reasons, but even fans admit the story is so bleak that it can be hard to stomach for many people. An interview with Inio Asano, the author, stated that volume sales had a noticeable decline every time something really upsetting and dark happened.
27th Aug '16 8:02:04 PM Draghinazzo
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* ''Manga/HououGakuenMisoragumi'': A girl is sent to an all-boy school by her mother in an attempt to prevent her from becoming a lesbian and not giving her any grandkids. The story is on the ''mother's'' side. And did we mention that nearly everyone in the school abuses her and treats her like shit? CureYourGays (but just lesbians, HoYay [[DoubleStandard is portrayed in-story as perfectly fine and even hot]]) played totally straight… written by a ''woman''. The American publisher put ''one volume'' out before pulling it in the face of massive protests.

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* ''Manga/HououGakuenMisoragumi'': A girl is sent to an all-boy school by her mother in an attempt to prevent her from becoming a lesbian and not giving her any grandkids. The story is on the ''mother's'' side. And did we mention that nearly everyone in the school abuses her and treats her like shit? CureYourGays (but just lesbians, HoYay [[DoubleStandard is portrayed in-story as perfectly fine and even hot]]) played totally straight… straight… written by a ''woman''. The American publisher put ''one volume'' out before pulling it in the face of massive protests.


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* A cursory glance at Oyasumi Punpun make it seem like a cute slice-of-life story about some cartoon bird doodle and a cute little girl. However it is an actually an extremely dark ComingOfAgeStory and character drama, which isn’t afraid to show the characters’ depravity and pettiness. It’s won itself critical acclaim and a devoted following for those reasons, but even fans admit the story is so bleak that it can be hard to stomach for many people. An interview with Inio Asano, the author, stated that volume sales had a noticeable decline every time something really upsetting and dark happened.
26th Aug '16 9:22:52 AM KingZeal
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* ''Videogame/StreetFighterV'': Creator/{{Capcom}} was worried about this during broadcasts of their Capcom Pro Tour tournaments. As such, they started placing bans on their [[FanservicePack sexier]] DLC costumes at tournaments. This move served to immediately [[BrokenBase divide fans]], with some deriding Capcom for censorship and others stating that such a ban basically proves Capcom knows how ridiculous the {{Stripperiffic}} costumes look.
25th Aug '16 8:40:33 PM KiraDoom
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* ''VideoGame/MySims''. It's like ''VideoGame/TheSims'', [[RecycledInSpace but for younger players]] (and [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Asia]], since the game was supposedly made to appeal to Asian markets). It has a {{Moe}}-tastic art style and quite a few lovable characters, but they took out certain aspects of ''The Sims'' that fans loved (like [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential killing Sims]]). Not to mention the fact that WebVideo/PeanutButterGamer hated pretty much every series entry. Surprisingly, it has a devoted fanbase, mostly due to the aforementioned lovable characters and because it started getting [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel Surprisingly Improved Sequels]] immediately, starting with ''[=MySims=] Kingdom''.
21st Aug '16 10:58:02 PM Kalmbach
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20th Aug '16 6:29:11 PM Noah1
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* ''Film/TheDeerHunter'' is a particularly infamous case. It is a three-hour long film about three prisoners of war being tortured and forced to play RussianRoulette by the Viet Cong army, released only three years after TheVietnamWar. After a poor test screening, the producers arranged a private screening for academy members so that it could be released with an Oscar nomination to make moviegoers more confident in seeing it. {{Film}} buffs largely consider that the event that gave birth to the concept of OscarBait, and the start of the disconnect between films highly grossing and successful with the general audience, and films likely to be nominated for Academy Awards.



* ''WesternAnimation/AllenGregory''. The show is about a homeschooled 7-year-old played by Creator/JonahHill, who is forced to attend elementary school when his gay parents hit hard times, and thus has little idea on how to act as a kid. That could have worked very well... if not the fact that 'both the title character and his father were giant {{Jerkass}}es, especially to the daughter character (who was an unfunny and rather [[{{Deconstruction}} darkly]] [[AbusiveParents played]] [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Meg]] ripoff). It also contained a recurring subplot about Gregory attempting to date his principal, who is in her 70s, and his infatuation was far too sexual to be considered a PrecociousCrush. The fact that one of the parents wasn't actually gay but rather gave in to a gay relationship because the other wouldn't leave him alone despite several restraining orders angered quite a few people in the gay community because of [[UnfortunateImplications what it implied]] didn't help matters either. The show reeked of DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, was met with poor reviews, and canceled after just 7 episodes due to poor ratings.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AllenGregory''. The show is about a homeschooled 7-year-old played by Creator/JonahHill, who is forced to attend elementary school when his gay parents hit hard times, and thus has little idea on how to act as a kid. That could have worked very well... if not the fact that 'both the title character and his father were giant unrepentant {{Jerkass}}es, especially to the daughter character (who was an unfunny and rather [[{{Deconstruction}} darkly]] [[AbusiveParents played]] [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Meg]] ripoff). It also contained a recurring subplot about Gregory attempting to date his principal, who is in her 70s, and his infatuation was far too sexual to be considered a PrecociousCrush.ripoff). The fact that one of the parents wasn't actually gay but rather gave in to a gay relationship because the other wouldn't leave him alone despite several restraining orders angered quite a few people in the gay community because of [[UnfortunateImplications what it implied]] didn't help matters either. It also contained a recurring subplot about Gregory attempting to date his principal, who is in her 70s, and his infatuation was protrayed far too sexually to be considered a PrecociousCrush. The show reeked of DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, was met with poor reviews, and canceled after just 7 episodes due to poor ratings.
18th Aug '16 5:18:43 PM Tre
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* The Creator/{{S|ciFiChannel}}yFy {{revival}} of Wrestling/{{ECW}} (aired on basic cable from 2006 to 2010) ended up being this, for various reasons. To begin with, the show was only an hour long, which left very little time to develop storylines amidst matches that could go on for as long as ten minutes or more. The original hardcore fanbase that had watched the pay-per-views religiously during the late '90s hated the fact that the promotion had been stripped of everything that had made the original ECW unique; worse, many of the biggest [[InsistentTerminology Extremists]] of that era were either taken off television or moved to the ''Raw'' and ''[=SmackDown=]'' rosters. And as if all that weren't bad enough, ECW was almost from the start treated as a second-class (and by the end of its run, even third-class) promotion, being used as a testing ground for new talent or a place where older wrestlers (William Regal, for example) went in the twilight of their in-ring careers - and by 2010, the promotion wasn't even fairly represented in the Royal Rumble Match! The result was a form of sports-entertainment that pleased no one, its only strong point being that it essentially introduced Wrestling/CMPunk to the world.

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* The Creator/{{S|ciFiChannel}}yFy Creator/{{Syfy}} {{revival}} of Wrestling/{{ECW}} (aired on basic cable from 2006 to 2010) ended up being this, for various reasons. To begin with, the show was only an hour long, which left very little time to develop storylines amidst matches that could go on for as long as ten minutes or more. The original hardcore fanbase that had watched the pay-per-views religiously during the late '90s hated the fact that the promotion had been stripped of everything that had made the original ECW unique; worse, many of the biggest [[InsistentTerminology Extremists]] of that era were either taken off television or moved to the ''Raw'' and ''[=SmackDown=]'' rosters. And as if all that weren't bad enough, ECW was almost from the start treated as a second-class (and by the end of its run, even third-class) promotion, being used as a testing ground for new talent or a place where older wrestlers (William Regal, for example) went in the twilight of their in-ring careers - and by 2010, the promotion wasn't even fairly represented in the Royal Rumble Match! The result was a form of sports-entertainment that pleased no one, its only strong point being that it essentially introduced Wrestling/CMPunk to the world.
17th Aug '16 2:20:35 PM pinkdalek
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** One of the things fans tend to appreciate about the show is that it's [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids much darker and more cerebral than most children's shows]], but at the end of the day it's still a ''children's show''. Usually, the show negotiates this by using the Doctor as a funny IdealHero EscapistCharacter that the children can feel safe alongside no matter what, so any regime trying to reinvent him as a [[DarkerAndEdgier morally-deficient]] figure tends to get a lot of pushback for [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy making the show too grim]] and unlike ''Doctor Who''.

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** One of the things fans tend to appreciate about the show is that it's [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids much darker and more cerebral than most children's shows]], but at the end of the day it's still a ''children's show''. Usually, the show negotiates this by using the Doctor as a funny IdealHero EscapistCharacter that the children can feel safe alongside no matter what, so any regime trying to reinvent him as a [[DarkerAndEdgier morally-deficient]] figure tends to get a lot of pushback for [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy making the show too grim]] and unlike ''Doctor Who''. The Sixth Doctor era gets a lot of flak because of this - children don't want to watch a Doctor who runs around [[RomanticisedAbuse abusing his companion]], and grownups have places other than children's shows to explore that sort of thing, where the dark subtext can be properly explored.



** "The Twin Dilemma". Nobody wanted an EstablishingCharacterMoment story about a Doctor [[RomanticisedAbuse abusing his companion in a vaguely sexualised manner]].
17th Aug '16 8:16:54 AM rockmanx
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** History repeated itself with ''Franchise/YoKaiWatch'', at least in the West. While it didn't get this as bad as Digimon did, a lot of people were calling it "the next ''Pokemon''" before it released. That's not the only reason, though; {{Yokai}} are a pretty Japanese concept, and not a lot of Westerners would "get it", so to speak, at first. Then, even if you know about yokai and are a Japanese cultural enthusiast-therefore looking forward to seeing something like this-they localize the show and games in many of the typical fashions (like DubNameChange). Interestingly, it's still got a pretty good Western fanbase going for

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** History repeated itself with ''Franchise/YoKaiWatch'', at least in the West. While it didn't get this as bad as Digimon did, a lot of people were calling it "the next ''Pokemon''" before it released. That's not the only reason, though; {{Yokai}} are a pretty Japanese concept, and not a lot of Westerners would "get it", so to speak, at first. Then, even if you know about yokai and are a Japanese cultural enthusiast-therefore looking forward to seeing something like this-they localize the show and games in many of the typical fashions (like DubNameChange). Interestingly, it's still got a pretty good Western fanbase going for it.
17th Aug '16 7:54:36 AM sageoftruth
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** History repeated itself with ''Franchise/YoKaiWatch'', at least in the West. While it didn't get this as bad as Digimon did, a lot of people were calling it "the next ''Pokemon''" before it released. That's not the only reason, though; {{Yokai}} are a pretty Japanese concept, and not a lot of Westerners would "get it", so to speak, at first. Then, even if you know about yokai and are a Japanese cultural enthusiast-therefore looking forward to seeing something like this-they localize the show and games in many of the typical fashions (like DubNameChange). Interestingly, it's still got a pretty good Western fanbase going for it.

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** History repeated itself with ''Franchise/YoKaiWatch'', at least in the West. While it didn't get this as bad as Digimon did, a lot of people were calling it "the next ''Pokemon''" before it released. That's not the only reason, though; {{Yokai}} are a pretty Japanese concept, and not a lot of Westerners would "get it", so to speak, at first. Then, even if you know about yokai and are a Japanese cultural enthusiast-therefore looking forward to seeing something like this-they localize the show and games in many of the typical fashions (like DubNameChange). Interestingly, it's still got a pretty good Western fanbase going for
* The first sentence
for it.the ''Manga/ThoseWhoHuntElves'' page says it all:
"It's a show about three random people who strip elves naked. It's not a porno, honestly." Even sharing the rationale for why they are doing this still makes it sounds like an excuse plot for a porno, which will turn away anyone who is not looking for a porno.
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