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17th Feb '17 7:52:45 AM OldBen
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** In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]], the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.
** In ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War]]'', Julius, aka the human vessel of Earth Dragon Loptyr, spouts basically the same speech to Seliph if he's the one who defeats him ("As long as greed exists in men's hearts, I will return!"). It's no coincidence, as per AllThereInTheManual, Jugdral and Archanea share the same universe, and Galle, Julius's ancestor, during his long travels around the world, happened to visit Archanea and formed a pact with Loptyr, an evil member of the Dragon Tribe, by drinking his blood.

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** In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]], ''VideoGame/FireEmblemMysteryOfTheEmblem'', the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.
** In ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War]]'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar'', Julius, aka the human vessel of Earth Dragon Loptyr, spouts basically the same speech to Seliph if he's the one who defeats him ("As long as greed exists in men's hearts, I will return!"). It's no coincidence, as per AllThereInTheManual, Jugdral and Archanea share the same universe, and Galle, Julius's ancestor, during his long travels around the world, happened to visit Archanea and formed a pact with Loptyr, an evil member of the Dragon Tribe, by drinking his blood.
13th Feb '17 10:47:07 AM MyFinalEdits
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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-eu9o8-MRUnV6Rpuzu6YSuM0Ue3CrYiKwRzISRVvFHQ/edit reveals]] why Hyrule and the rest of the world is still plagued by evil. After being defeated by Link, Demise informs Link, that the hatred and grudge of him and the entire demon race ('''"Mazuko"''') he spawned, is always evolving and will spawn incarnations (such as Vaati and Ganondorf), which shall haunt not only the Gods and the surface dwellers for all eternity, but also those who try to stand in the way of the demons ('''"Spirit of the Hero"''') and the descendants of Hylia's mortal bloodline ('''"Divine Blood"''').

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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-eu9o8-MRUnV6Rpuzu6YSuM0Ue3CrYiKwRzISRVvFHQ/edit reveals]] why Hyrule and the rest of the world is still plagued by evil. After being defeated by Link, Demise informs Link, that the hatred and grudge of him and the entire demon race ('''"Mazuko"''') ('''"Mazoku"''') he spawned, is always evolving and will spawn incarnations (such as Vaati and Ganondorf), which shall haunt not only the Gods and the surface dwellers for all eternity, but also those who try to stand in the way of the demons ('''"Spirit of the Hero"''') and the descendants of Hylia's mortal bloodline ('''"Divine Blood"''').
8th Feb '17 9:12:23 PM ultimomant
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* In ''[[http://fanfics.me/read2.php?id=127043 A RWBY Zanpakuto]]'', Aizen and says that the Hogyoku was born from the wishes of every person on the planet, so it can't be destroyed until the wishes of everyone have been granted. [[spoiler:It is eventually destroyed when Blake, inside Ichigo's [[MentalWorld inner world]] which infinite in size, creates Shadow Clones of herself endlessly until they outnumber Earth's population, then they all wish for the Hogyoku to be destroyed.]]

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* In ''[[http://fanfics.me/read2.php?id=127043 A RWBY Zanpakuto]]'', Aizen and says that the Hogyoku was born from the wishes of every person on the planet, so it can't be destroyed until the wishes of everyone have been granted. [[spoiler:It is eventually destroyed when Blake, inside Ichigo's [[MentalWorld inner world]] which is infinite in size, creates Shadow Clones of herself endlessly until they outnumber Earth's population, then they all wish for the Hogyoku to be destroyed.destroyed. Even then, it takes Ichigo striking it with all his power to do it.]]
8th Feb '17 8:58:08 PM ultimomant
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* In ''[[http://fanfics.me/read2.php?id=127043 A RWBY Zanpakuto]]'', Aizen and says that the Hogyoku was born from the wishes of every person on the planet, so it can't be destroyed until the wishes of everyone have been granted. [[spoiler:It is eventually destroyed when Blake, inside Ichigo's [[MentalWorld inner world]] which infinite in size, creates Shadow Clones of herself endlessly until they outnumber Earth's population, then they all wish for the Hogyoku to be destroyed.]]
6th Feb '17 2:29:43 AM erforce
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--> -- '''Holland Manners''' explaining Wolfram & Hart, ''Series/{{Angel}}''

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--> -- -->-- '''Holland Manners''' explaining Wolfram & Hart, ''Series/{{Angel}}''



* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Sith are an interesting example because they are a group rather than an individual being -- no matter how many times the Sith Order is exterminated, it will always rise again because of the seductive appeal of its teachings. And of course TheDarkSide is an aspect of the same SentientCosmicForce that permeates everything. This is really obvious in the ExpandedUniverse, but you can see it a bit in the movies as well.
** The novelization of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' includes an interesting bit of poetry, split between the major sections, about evil and darkness -- how it is powerful, and seductive, and can never be defeated because it is everywhere: "The brightest light casts the darkest shadow." At the end, the piece also points out that "it has a weakness. A single candle flame can hold it back."

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The Sith are an interesting example because they are a group rather than an individual being -- no matter how many times the Sith Order is exterminated, it will always rise again because of the seductive appeal of its teachings. And of course TheDarkSide is an aspect of the same SentientCosmicForce that permeates everything. This is really obvious in the ExpandedUniverse, but you can see it a bit in the movies as well.
** The novelization [[Literature/RevengeOfTheSith novelization]] of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' includes an interesting bit of poetry, split between the major sections, about evil and darkness -- how it is powerful, and seductive, and can never be defeated because it is everywhere: "The brightest light casts the darkest shadow." At the end, the piece also points out that "it has a weakness. A single candle flame can hold it back."



* The trope name comes from the dying speech of Zeromus in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'': "As long as there is evil in the hearts of men I will continue..." He makes good on this promise in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears''.
* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', the Yevon religion tells the people of Spira that Sin was created as punishment for wrongs done by people a thousand years ago. Until they completely repent for everything they've done wrong, Sin will eventually return after every defeat and cause more suffering. [[spoiler:Double subverted in that this is all a lie and Spira is doomed to an endless cycle of Calm and rebirth of Sin as far as the higher ups are concerned. The only known method of killing it requires the summoner to [[SenselessSacrifice sacrifice a close friend and cause said friend to become a summoned beast powerful enough to kill it, but the summoned beast will kill the summoner and eventually become the next Sin. In other words, it is summoned beasts that guarantee Sin's existence, but summoned beasts are composed of pyre flies and the Fayth; souls.]]]]

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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy''
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The trope name comes from the dying speech of Zeromus in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'': "As long as there is evil in the hearts of men I will continue..." He makes good on this promise in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears''.
* ** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', the Yevon religion tells the people of Spira that Sin was created as punishment for wrongs done by people a thousand years ago. Until they completely repent for everything they've done wrong, Sin will eventually return after every defeat and cause more suffering. [[spoiler:Double subverted in that this is all a lie and Spira is doomed to an endless cycle of Calm and rebirth of Sin as far as the higher ups are concerned. The only known method of killing it requires the summoner to [[SenselessSacrifice sacrifice a close friend and cause said friend to become a summoned beast powerful enough to kill it, but the summoned beast will kill the summoner and eventually become the next Sin. In other words, it is summoned beasts that guarantee Sin's existence, but summoned beasts are composed of pyre flies and the Fayth; souls.]]]]



** {{Dracula}} constantly gives this speech in every game he appears in; however, he implies he's tired of his role in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight''. This weariness is what leads to his (as of yet undepicted) final defeat in 1999.
** The BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil is having a hard time finding someone as evil as he was, and tries to recruit his {{Reincarnation}} in the ''Sorrow'' games. If Soma rejects his previous life, then Alucard muses that while an Evil King may be inevitable, free will means that it doesn't have to be one particular person.
** Because of that, Soma keeps getting roped into playing "Whack-a-Mole" with all the wanna-be candidates for Dracula's old position. Since he's the prime candidate, they all want to kill him to prove how bad they are.
** In ''Order Of Ecclesia'', [[TreacherousAdvisor Barlowe]]'s true goal is to use Dominus in order to bring back Dracula, since he "reasons" that because he keeps coming back, that is mankind's true dream.

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** {{Dracula}} constantly gives this speech in every game he appears in; however, he implies he's tired of his role in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight''.''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight Symphony of the Night]]''. This weariness is what leads to his (as of yet undepicted) final defeat in 1999.
** The BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil is having a hard time finding someone as evil as he was, and tries to recruit his {{Reincarnation}} in the ''Sorrow'' ''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow Sorrow]]'' games. If Soma rejects his previous life, then Alucard muses that while an Evil King may be inevitable, free will means that it doesn't have to be one particular person.
** *** Because of that, Soma keeps getting roped into playing "Whack-a-Mole" with all the wanna-be candidates for Dracula's old position. Since he's the prime candidate, they all want to kill him to prove how bad they are.
** In ''Order Of Ecclesia'', ''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaOrderOfEcclesia Order of Ecclesia]]'', [[TreacherousAdvisor Barlowe]]'s true goal is to use Dominus in order to bring back Dracula, since he "reasons" that because he keeps coming back, that is mankind's true dream.



* This trope seems to be a recurring theme of the Persona series:

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* This trope seems to be a recurring theme of the Persona ''Persona'' series:



* In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]] in the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' series, the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.

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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblem''
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In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]] in the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' series, game]], the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.



* In ''[[NightsIntoDreams Nights: Journey of Dreams]]'', Wizeman makes this claim in the "regular" endings.

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* In ''[[NightsIntoDreams ''[[VideoGame/NightsIntoDreams Nights: Journey of Dreams]]'', Wizeman makes this claim in the "regular" endings.



* [[CrystalDragonJesus YHVH]], trademark BigBad of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series, will exist in his current form for eternity as long as at least one human being believes in him as a true god. Since the gods and goddesses are ''supposed'' to reincarnate after a while, this is problematic for the universe at large. WordOfGod is that it's not entirely humanity's fault; YHVH being a warped despot is a symptom of something seriously wrong with the fabric of the universe.

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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei''
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[[CrystalDragonJesus YHVH]], trademark BigBad of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series, will exist in his current form for eternity as long as at least one human being believes in him as a true god. Since the gods and goddesses are ''supposed'' to reincarnate after a while, this is problematic for the universe at large. WordOfGod is that it's not entirely humanity's fault; YHVH being a warped despot is a symptom of something seriously wrong with the fabric of the universe.
21st Jan '17 2:32:36 AM Rorosilky5
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* The [[TheAnimeOfTheGame Anime Adaptation]] of ''[[Anime/KirbyOfTheStars Kirby]]'' has the BigBad Nightmare playing this trope straight, complete with last lines:

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* The [[TheAnimeOfTheGame Anime Adaptation]] of ''[[Anime/KirbyOfTheStars ''[[Anime/KirbyRightBackAtYa Kirby]]'' has the BigBad Nightmare playing this trope straight, complete with last lines:


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** This was [[{{Bowdlerise}} bowdlerized]] in the English dub, he simply screams out his only weakness and was eventually done for.
19th Jan '17 2:19:37 PM AutumnLeaves
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* In the Soviet adaptation of ''Mio, my Mio'' by Creator/AstridLindgren, that's what [[BigBad the knight Kato]] tells Mio during their battle: as long as the world exists, somewhere else a new Kato would invariably arise. Mio replies that he realizes it but it won't stop him from killing this particular one.
12th Jan '17 9:41:19 AM TPPR10
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7th Jan '17 4:28:27 PM BigJaredMonkey
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In essence, this is Evil's answer to AsLongAsThereIsOneMan; the BigBad is TheHeartless for all of mankind. They typically weave the revelation into their FinalSpeech, just before the hero puts them down.

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In essence, this is Evil's answer to AsLongAsThereIsOneMan; AsLongAsThereIsOneMan and HopeSpringsEternal; the BigBad is TheHeartless for all of mankind. They typically weave the revelation into their FinalSpeech, just before the hero puts them down.
13th Dec '16 10:08:15 PM hyruleHistorian
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* ''VideoGame/{{Skullgirls}}'': In more than one character's story mode, it is revealed that the [[ArtifactOfDoom Skull Heart]] can never truly be destroyed, and will only reform at a later point. At least one fighter isn't fazed by this, though.
--> '''Skull Heart:''' Every time you destroy this vessel, another will appear. There is no purpose to your actions. I shall always return.\\
'''Big Band:''' ... So what?

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