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18th Apr '17 11:34:36 AM narm00
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* The Living Nightmare of ''ComicBook/AstroCity'' is an AnthropomorphicPersonification of human fear, and so long as there is fear it can never be truly killed.



* Nyarlathotrot from the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'' is born from the negative aspects of the Shadows Who Are. As such, as long as those negative aspects exists, so will he. Inverted with his twin and GoodCounterpart, Fillimon, who is born from the ''positive'' aspects of the Shadows Who Are, and thus as long as that exists so will she.

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* Nyarlathotrot from the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'' is born from the negative aspects of the Shadows Who Are. As such, as long as those negative aspects exists, exist, so will he. Inverted with his twin and GoodCounterpart, Fillimon, who is born from the ''positive'' aspects of the Shadows Who Are, and thus as long as that exists so will she.
27th Mar '17 10:12:58 PM Shishkahuben
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** In ''[[FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade]]'', King Zephiel's plot to restore dragons to power is borne of a belief that mankind, ruled by irrational emotion, is prone to evil action. With his dying breath, he insists that evil will never die, as long as humans rule the land.
26th Mar '17 4:45:31 PM JoeMerl
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** This is the reason that Madoka's witch form, Kriemhild Gretchen, is so unbeatable. The only way to keep her from absorbing everyone into her LotusEaterMachine AssimilationPlot barrier-[[BuffySpeak thingy]] would be to purge the world of all misfortune. If there's no misfortune, [[DarkMessiah she'll think the world is already heaven]].
** This trope still applies, because one of the biggest themes in Madoka Magica is that curses will always arise; if one curse is destroyed, that just clears the way for another, possibly more powerful one. Happiness must always be balanced out by despair. It's the reason that, even after Madoka's wish, Puellae Magi still have to fight demons instead of witches; misfortune and despair still exist in the world and are going to find some sort of magical personification for them to fight.

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** This is the reason that Madoka's witch form, The [[EldritchAbomination Witch]] called Kriemhild Gretchen, (aka [[spoiler:[[AllLovingHero Madoka]] [[WasOnceAMan herself]]]]), is so unbeatable. The only way to keep an interesting spin on this--in her from absorbing everyone desire to {{Put Them All Out of My Misery}}, she will absorb all life into her LotusEaterMachine AssimilationPlot barrier-[[BuffySpeak thingy]] would be to purge thingy]], and apparently the world of ''only'' way to defeat her is to end all misfortune.misfortune in the world. If there's no misfortune, [[DarkMessiah she'll think the world is already heaven]].
** This trope still applies, because one of the biggest themes in Madoka Magica is that curses will always arise; if one curse is destroyed, that just clears the way for another, possibly more powerful one. Happiness must always be balanced out by despair. It's the reason that, even after Madoka's wish, Puellae Magi [[spoiler:Madoka's wish]], {{Magical Girl}}s still have to fight demons wraiths instead of witches; misfortune and despair still exist in the world and are going to find some sort of magical personification for them to fight.
23rd Mar '17 8:27:05 PM thats1evildude
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** Apocalypse also comes to the realization in the same series that while he can never be defeated, [[EvilWillFail he is also fated to never win and destroy the human race]]. Thus he attempts to undo Time itself and create a new universe in his image.
6th Mar '17 5:32:28 PM contrafanxxx
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* [[BigBad Buggler]] gives this speech upon his defeat at the end of ''[[VideoGame/SuperBomberman Super Bomberman R]]''.
17th Feb '17 7:52:45 AM OldBen
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** In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]], the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.
** In ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War]]'', Julius, aka the human vessel of Earth Dragon Loptyr, spouts basically the same speech to Seliph if he's the one who defeats him ("As long as greed exists in men's hearts, I will return!"). It's no coincidence, as per AllThereInTheManual, Jugdral and Archanea share the same universe, and Galle, Julius's ancestor, during his long travels around the world, happened to visit Archanea and formed a pact with Loptyr, an evil member of the Dragon Tribe, by drinking his blood.

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** In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]], ''VideoGame/FireEmblemMysteryOfTheEmblem'', the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.
** In ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War]]'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar'', Julius, aka the human vessel of Earth Dragon Loptyr, spouts basically the same speech to Seliph if he's the one who defeats him ("As long as greed exists in men's hearts, I will return!"). It's no coincidence, as per AllThereInTheManual, Jugdral and Archanea share the same universe, and Galle, Julius's ancestor, during his long travels around the world, happened to visit Archanea and formed a pact with Loptyr, an evil member of the Dragon Tribe, by drinking his blood.
13th Feb '17 10:47:07 AM MyFinalEdits
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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-eu9o8-MRUnV6Rpuzu6YSuM0Ue3CrYiKwRzISRVvFHQ/edit reveals]] why Hyrule and the rest of the world is still plagued by evil. After being defeated by Link, Demise informs Link, that the hatred and grudge of him and the entire demon race ('''"Mazuko"''') he spawned, is always evolving and will spawn incarnations (such as Vaati and Ganondorf), which shall haunt not only the Gods and the surface dwellers for all eternity, but also those who try to stand in the way of the demons ('''"Spirit of the Hero"''') and the descendants of Hylia's mortal bloodline ('''"Divine Blood"''').

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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-eu9o8-MRUnV6Rpuzu6YSuM0Ue3CrYiKwRzISRVvFHQ/edit reveals]] why Hyrule and the rest of the world is still plagued by evil. After being defeated by Link, Demise informs Link, that the hatred and grudge of him and the entire demon race ('''"Mazuko"''') ('''"Mazoku"''') he spawned, is always evolving and will spawn incarnations (such as Vaati and Ganondorf), which shall haunt not only the Gods and the surface dwellers for all eternity, but also those who try to stand in the way of the demons ('''"Spirit of the Hero"''') and the descendants of Hylia's mortal bloodline ('''"Divine Blood"''').
8th Feb '17 9:12:23 PM ultimomant
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* In ''[[http://fanfics.me/read2.php?id=127043 A RWBY Zanpakuto]]'', Aizen and says that the Hogyoku was born from the wishes of every person on the planet, so it can't be destroyed until the wishes of everyone have been granted. [[spoiler:It is eventually destroyed when Blake, inside Ichigo's [[MentalWorld inner world]] which infinite in size, creates Shadow Clones of herself endlessly until they outnumber Earth's population, then they all wish for the Hogyoku to be destroyed.]]

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* In ''[[http://fanfics.me/read2.php?id=127043 A RWBY Zanpakuto]]'', Aizen and says that the Hogyoku was born from the wishes of every person on the planet, so it can't be destroyed until the wishes of everyone have been granted. [[spoiler:It is eventually destroyed when Blake, inside Ichigo's [[MentalWorld inner world]] which is infinite in size, creates Shadow Clones of herself endlessly until they outnumber Earth's population, then they all wish for the Hogyoku to be destroyed.destroyed. Even then, it takes Ichigo striking it with all his power to do it.]]
8th Feb '17 8:58:08 PM ultimomant
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* In ''[[http://fanfics.me/read2.php?id=127043 A RWBY Zanpakuto]]'', Aizen and says that the Hogyoku was born from the wishes of every person on the planet, so it can't be destroyed until the wishes of everyone have been granted. [[spoiler:It is eventually destroyed when Blake, inside Ichigo's [[MentalWorld inner world]] which infinite in size, creates Shadow Clones of herself endlessly until they outnumber Earth's population, then they all wish for the Hogyoku to be destroyed.]]
6th Feb '17 2:29:43 AM erforce
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--> -- '''Holland Manners''' explaining Wolfram & Hart, ''Series/{{Angel}}''

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--> -- -->-- '''Holland Manners''' explaining Wolfram & Hart, ''Series/{{Angel}}''



* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Sith are an interesting example because they are a group rather than an individual being -- no matter how many times the Sith Order is exterminated, it will always rise again because of the seductive appeal of its teachings. And of course TheDarkSide is an aspect of the same SentientCosmicForce that permeates everything. This is really obvious in the ExpandedUniverse, but you can see it a bit in the movies as well.
** The novelization of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' includes an interesting bit of poetry, split between the major sections, about evil and darkness -- how it is powerful, and seductive, and can never be defeated because it is everywhere: "The brightest light casts the darkest shadow." At the end, the piece also points out that "it has a weakness. A single candle flame can hold it back."

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The Sith are an interesting example because they are a group rather than an individual being -- no matter how many times the Sith Order is exterminated, it will always rise again because of the seductive appeal of its teachings. And of course TheDarkSide is an aspect of the same SentientCosmicForce that permeates everything. This is really obvious in the ExpandedUniverse, but you can see it a bit in the movies as well.
** The novelization [[Literature/RevengeOfTheSith novelization]] of ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' includes an interesting bit of poetry, split between the major sections, about evil and darkness -- how it is powerful, and seductive, and can never be defeated because it is everywhere: "The brightest light casts the darkest shadow." At the end, the piece also points out that "it has a weakness. A single candle flame can hold it back."



* The trope name comes from the dying speech of Zeromus in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'': "As long as there is evil in the hearts of men I will continue..." He makes good on this promise in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears''.
* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', the Yevon religion tells the people of Spira that Sin was created as punishment for wrongs done by people a thousand years ago. Until they completely repent for everything they've done wrong, Sin will eventually return after every defeat and cause more suffering. [[spoiler:Double subverted in that this is all a lie and Spira is doomed to an endless cycle of Calm and rebirth of Sin as far as the higher ups are concerned. The only known method of killing it requires the summoner to [[SenselessSacrifice sacrifice a close friend and cause said friend to become a summoned beast powerful enough to kill it, but the summoned beast will kill the summoner and eventually become the next Sin. In other words, it is summoned beasts that guarantee Sin's existence, but summoned beasts are composed of pyre flies and the Fayth; souls.]]]]

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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy''
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The trope name comes from the dying speech of Zeromus in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'': "As long as there is evil in the hearts of men I will continue..." He makes good on this promise in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears''.
* ** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', the Yevon religion tells the people of Spira that Sin was created as punishment for wrongs done by people a thousand years ago. Until they completely repent for everything they've done wrong, Sin will eventually return after every defeat and cause more suffering. [[spoiler:Double subverted in that this is all a lie and Spira is doomed to an endless cycle of Calm and rebirth of Sin as far as the higher ups are concerned. The only known method of killing it requires the summoner to [[SenselessSacrifice sacrifice a close friend and cause said friend to become a summoned beast powerful enough to kill it, but the summoned beast will kill the summoner and eventually become the next Sin. In other words, it is summoned beasts that guarantee Sin's existence, but summoned beasts are composed of pyre flies and the Fayth; souls.]]]]



** {{Dracula}} constantly gives this speech in every game he appears in; however, he implies he's tired of his role in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight''. This weariness is what leads to his (as of yet undepicted) final defeat in 1999.
** The BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil is having a hard time finding someone as evil as he was, and tries to recruit his {{Reincarnation}} in the ''Sorrow'' games. If Soma rejects his previous life, then Alucard muses that while an Evil King may be inevitable, free will means that it doesn't have to be one particular person.
** Because of that, Soma keeps getting roped into playing "Whack-a-Mole" with all the wanna-be candidates for Dracula's old position. Since he's the prime candidate, they all want to kill him to prove how bad they are.
** In ''Order Of Ecclesia'', [[TreacherousAdvisor Barlowe]]'s true goal is to use Dominus in order to bring back Dracula, since he "reasons" that because he keeps coming back, that is mankind's true dream.

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** {{Dracula}} constantly gives this speech in every game he appears in; however, he implies he's tired of his role in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight''.''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight Symphony of the Night]]''. This weariness is what leads to his (as of yet undepicted) final defeat in 1999.
** The BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil is having a hard time finding someone as evil as he was, and tries to recruit his {{Reincarnation}} in the ''Sorrow'' ''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow Sorrow]]'' games. If Soma rejects his previous life, then Alucard muses that while an Evil King may be inevitable, free will means that it doesn't have to be one particular person.
** *** Because of that, Soma keeps getting roped into playing "Whack-a-Mole" with all the wanna-be candidates for Dracula's old position. Since he's the prime candidate, they all want to kill him to prove how bad they are.
** In ''Order Of Ecclesia'', ''[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaOrderOfEcclesia Order of Ecclesia]]'', [[TreacherousAdvisor Barlowe]]'s true goal is to use Dominus in order to bring back Dracula, since he "reasons" that because he keeps coming back, that is mankind's true dream.



* This trope seems to be a recurring theme of the Persona series:

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* This trope seems to be a recurring theme of the Persona ''Persona'' series:



* In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]] in the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' series, the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.

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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblem''
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In the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia first game]] in the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' series, game]], the dragon Medeus claims he gains strength from the evil in mankind when Marth defeats him.



* In ''[[NightsIntoDreams Nights: Journey of Dreams]]'', Wizeman makes this claim in the "regular" endings.

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* In ''[[NightsIntoDreams ''[[VideoGame/NightsIntoDreams Nights: Journey of Dreams]]'', Wizeman makes this claim in the "regular" endings.



* [[CrystalDragonJesus YHVH]], trademark BigBad of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series, will exist in his current form for eternity as long as at least one human being believes in him as a true god. Since the gods and goddesses are ''supposed'' to reincarnate after a while, this is problematic for the universe at large. WordOfGod is that it's not entirely humanity's fault; YHVH being a warped despot is a symptom of something seriously wrong with the fabric of the universe.

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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei''
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[[CrystalDragonJesus YHVH]], trademark BigBad of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series, will exist in his current form for eternity as long as at least one human being believes in him as a true god. Since the gods and goddesses are ''supposed'' to reincarnate after a while, this is problematic for the universe at large. WordOfGod is that it's not entirely humanity's fault; YHVH being a warped despot is a symptom of something seriously wrong with the fabric of the universe.
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