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18th Feb '17 5:13:26 PM SoapheadChurch
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* The B-movie ''Lost Souls'' starring Creator/WinonaRyder. The filmmakers have admitted to making up the Bible verse that is central to the plot. One of the main characters is seemingly doomed to be possessed by demons because he hasn't been baptized. No one thinks to just baptize him and end the issue. Apparently the director and writer thought Catholics can only be baptized as infants.
** Not to mention that baptism doesn't do jack to the possibility of being possessed. Its function is to prevent from being condemned due to the Original Sin and to allow a person to receive other sacraments. It should also be noted that in extraordinary circumstances (as in when a person is likely to die unbaptised and there is no priest around), baptism can also be performed by a lay Catholic.

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* The B-movie ''Lost Souls'' starring Creator/WinonaRyder. The filmmakers have admitted to making up the Bible verse that is central to the plot. One of the main characters is seemingly doomed to be possessed by demons because he hasn't been baptized. No one thinks to just baptize him and end the issue. Apparently the director and writer thought Catholics can only be baptized as infants.
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infants. Not to mention that baptism doesn't do jack to the possibility of being possessed. Its function is to prevent from being condemned due to the Original Sin and to allow a person to receive other sacraments. It should also be noted that in extraordinary circumstances (as in when a person is likely to die unbaptised and there is no priest around), baptism can also be performed by a lay Catholic.



* ''Film/SisterAct'': The film uses the terms "nun" and "sister" interchangeably, as in the title. In Catholicism, however, they're not the same thing: nuns live a life of contemplation while sisters engage in good works within their communities. All the nuns would have known the difference well before they took their vows, so it isn't a matter of them being afraid of getting involved with their community; it's simply not what they signed up to do.
** The nuns are stated to be a Carmelite order. Carmelite nuns traditionally wear brown habits, often with a pure white veil and cloak. The nuns in ''Sister Act'' wear black habits associated with the Dominican orders (and even then, some Dominican nuns also wear pure white or white with a black veil).
*** (And even the habits are a bit of a moot point since by the era of the film, most modern Western sisters wore plain uniform dresses or street clothes paired with, at most, a veil. The fact that the nuns of ''Sister Act'' still wore full habits is more evidence that they were ''nuns'', not sisters.)

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* ''Film/SisterAct'': ''Film/SisterAct'':
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The film uses the terms "nun" and "sister" interchangeably, as in the title. In Catholicism, however, they're not the same thing: nuns live a life of contemplation while sisters engage in good works within their communities. All the nuns would have known the difference well before they took their vows, so it isn't a matter of them being afraid of getting involved with their community; it's simply not what they signed up to do.
** The nuns are stated to be a Carmelite order. Carmelite nuns traditionally wear brown habits, often with a pure white veil and cloak. The nuns in ''Sister Act'' wear black habits associated with the Dominican orders (and even then, some Dominican nuns also wear pure white or white with a black veil).
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veil). And even the habits are a bit of a moot point since by the era of the film, most modern Western sisters wore plain uniform dresses or street clothes paired with, at most, a veil. The fact that the nuns of ''Sister Act'' still wore full habits is more evidence that they were ''nuns'', not sisters.)



*** Although the Gospel of Thomas discovered in 1945 was written in Coptic Egyptian while in the movie the language was Aramaic and not the gospel of Thomas but rather the gospel of Jesus himself supposedly saying that he was everywhere and that formal church hierarchies were unnecessary and even illegitimate.



* Jesus is shown nailed to the cross through his palms in ''Film/ThePassionOfTheChrist'', although historians and some liberal theologians believed that nails were really driven through the ''wrists'' of the condemned; not only because this provides necessary support that driving them through the center of the palm would not, but because there's a bundle of nerves between the bones right at that point where the wrist and palm meet that maximizes the pain and suffering of the victim. This example belong here in addition to the history is that Director Creator/MelGibson had stated that he was well aware of this, but decided the traditional biblical dogma over historical evidence - that, and many theologians and dogma of all branches still insist it's the palm.



* The main conflict in the Hugo-winning science fiction novel ''A Case of Conscience'' by Creator/JamesBlish depends entirely on the "fact" that the Catholic church rejects evolution. In fact, the Catholic Church (in the 1940s) said the theory and religion are not mutually exclusive and that the church has no problem with the theory. Compared to certain Protestant sects Catholicism has taken a very moderate stance of the controversy - they were originally neutral on the subject but later came down in favor of it (in fact, English Protestants both supported and rallied against the theory in more or less equal measure). The church made no official pronouncement about the subject at all until Pius XII adopted a neutral attitude. This is more a case of Theology Marches On than a pure example of this trope, but the central character is a Catholic priest who is freaked out by the existence of an alien species that appears to be without sin yet have never known Christianity: in RealLife, the Vatican issued a statement to the effect that it was definitely possible humanity would find such a species out there in the universe, and the idea of sinless aliens actually works within Catholic theology since they would not share Adam's curse. ([[FridgeLogic Wait]], would that mean that humanity's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is sin?!)
** Or, you know, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel Gregor Mendel]]? That guy with peas who figured out the theory of genetics and was also an Augustinian friar.
** The claim that the Catholic Church/the Pope opposes evolution is still used today. Especially egregious considering that [[http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P19.HTM evolution is part of the Catholic catechism.]]
** Some Protestant churches do oppose evolution. And ChristianityIsCatholic, right?
** Additionally, while the Church accepts evolution, individual laity or clergy may not. This is no surprise.

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* The main conflict in the Hugo-winning science fiction novel ''A Case of Conscience'' by Creator/JamesBlish depends entirely on the "fact" that the Catholic church rejects evolution. In fact, the Catholic Church (in the 1940s) said the theory and religion are not mutually exclusive and that the church has no problem with the theory. Compared to certain Protestant sects Catholicism has taken a very moderate stance of the controversy - they were originally neutral on the subject but later came down in favor of it (in fact, English Protestants both supported and rallied against the theory in more or less equal measure). The church made no official pronouncement about the subject at all until Pius XII adopted a neutral attitude. This is more a case of Theology Marches On than a pure example of this trope, but the central character is a Catholic priest who is freaked out by the existence of an alien species that appears to be without sin yet have never known Christianity: in RealLife, the Vatican issued a statement to the effect that it was definitely possible humanity would find such a species out there in the universe, and the idea of sinless aliens actually works within Catholic theology since they would not share Adam's curse. ([[FridgeLogic Wait]], would that mean that humanity's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is sin?!)
** Or, you know, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel Gregor Mendel]]? That guy with peas who figured out the theory of genetics and was also an Augustinian friar.
**
sin?!) The claim that the Catholic Church/the Pope opposes evolution is still used today. Especially egregious considering that [[http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P19.HTM evolution is part of the Catholic catechism.]]
** Some Protestant churches do oppose evolution. And ChristianityIsCatholic, right?
** Additionally, while
]] Or, you know, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel Gregor Mendel]]? That guy with peas who figured out the Church accepts evolution, individual laity or clergy may not. This is no surprise.theory of genetics and was also an Augustinian friar.



** An in-universe case of religious studies failure occurs within the book. Mr. Wednesday asks a random woman, who identifies as pagan, about Easter- and she responds that she doesn't follow that Christian crap, indicating she knows squat about paganism.
*** And in fact, there's some evidence that Easter was a case of reverse HijackedByJesus: a Christian holiday that became paganized due to its close proximity in the calendar to an actual pagan festival, that of the vernal equinox, and the spread of Christianity by the Roman Empire.

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** An in-universe case of religious studies failure occurs within the book. Mr. Wednesday asks a random woman, who identifies as pagan, about Easter- and she responds that she doesn't follow that Christian crap, indicating she knows squat about paganism.
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paganism. And in fact, there's some evidence that Easter was a case of reverse HijackedByJesus: a Christian holiday that became paganized due to its close proximity in the calendar to an actual pagan festival, that of the vernal equinox, and the spread of Christianity by the Roman Empire.
18th Feb '17 4:59:12 PM SoapheadChurch
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** The film states that angels can't have sex when the Bible says they fathered children.
*** This is actually correct. The Bible speaks of 'sons of God' [which may of may not be a class of supernatural beings different from 'divine messengers'], not 'angels'. In the Catholic doctrine all angelic beings are sexless.
** Accordingly, the Grigori (what Creator/BenAffleck's character was) were a choir of Angels discussed in the Apocrypha, which is considered non-canonical by Catholicism. Moreover, in Catholicism (and several other denominations of Christianity), they follow the understanding of Angels under Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, in which case they A.) lack the sensitive powers inherent in animal and human souls and because of that B.) lack bodies. The only way the Angels/Demons are able to be at a location in any sort of temporal means would be to possess a temporal host. Other than that, position in space and time is utterly irrelevant to them. Grigori were the exception, but again, not viewed as Canon by the Catholic Church (and they had gender, and sired children. This was one of the reasons behind the great flood, to get rid of them).
15th Feb '17 1:04:43 PM TomServo3000
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** In the episode "The Road to the Multiverse" Stewie and Brian traveled to a universe where Christianity never existed. The world is considerably more advanced than our world. Their justification for this was if Christianity was gone there would be no "Dark Ages". Too make a long story short while Christianity isn't completely blameless, to say that Christianity alone caused the Dark Ages is just plan wrong.
*** Taken one step further for a joke about how, without Christianity, Michelangelo's inspired paintings of the Sistine Chapel would be replaced by the art of John Hinckley. How did no one realize that the Sistine Chapel is a Christian church? (never mind that Michelangelo based many of his figures on ancient Greek carvings)
1st Feb '17 6:20:08 PM DeltaDart
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** In the end of the "Cartoon Wars" arc, the Muslims terrorists produce their own animated film to get back at the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' episode. The film depicts Jesus, along with many Americans crapping incessantly on each other. In reality, Muslims have no contempt for Jesus. In fact Jesus is known as one of the most important prophets, just not the savior. [[FridgeBrilliance Though they could just be making fun of American's worship of him.]]

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** In the end of the "Cartoon Wars" arc, the Muslims terrorists produce their own animated film to get back at the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' episode. The film depicts Jesus, along with many Americans crapping incessantly on each other. In reality, Muslims have no contempt for Jesus. In fact Jesus is known as one of the most important prophets, just not the savior. [[FridgeBrilliance Though they could just be making fun of American's Americans' worship of him.]]
1st Feb '17 6:12:38 PM DeltaDart
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* ''FanFic/AngelOfTheBat'': Lots of this was intentionally invoked when creating the fictional [[ChurchOfEvil Church of the Voice of God]. Their outlandish claims include the Catholic Church imprisioned, censored and killed Enochian Occultist Edward Kelley, that the man-turned-angel Enoch has only a few living descendents and that darkness is inherently evil, none of which are found in any religious teaching. Being a Catholic himself, the author got most of their teachings properly, though admitted through the text to giving a bogus explanation of The Eucharist because the character describing it had lapsed.

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* ''FanFic/AngelOfTheBat'': Lots of this was intentionally invoked when creating the fictional [[ChurchOfEvil Church of the Voice of God].God]]. Their outlandish claims include the Catholic Church imprisioned, censored and killed Enochian Occultist Edward Kelley, that the man-turned-angel Enoch has only a few living descendents and that darkness is inherently evil, none of which are found in any religious teaching. Being a Catholic himself, the author got most of their teachings properly, though admitted through the text to giving a bogus explanation of The Eucharist because the character describing it had lapsed.
1st Feb '17 6:12:38 PM DeltaDart
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8th Jan '17 9:09:18 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/FakingIt'': Judaism does have angels. Some Jews also do believe in hell.
24th Dec '16 11:21:03 AM HersheleOstropoler
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* "Kosher style" food. Kosher is simply anything prepared in compliance to Kashrut (dietary laws) on how to prepare and combine food, not a style of food. One can have Kosher Japanese or Chinese food, for example. This also follows for the similar Muslim concept of halal -- meaning "permissible" and "fit" versus treif or haram -- "torn" and "forbidden." In addition, during Passover there’s ‘Kosher for Passover’, meaning it’s fit for eating during Passover, during which Jews are not allowed to eat anything with leavened grain in it (so no bread, pasta, or beer), as well as nothing with legumes for [[AllJewsAreAshkenazi Ashkenazi Jews]].
21st Dec '16 2:47:24 PM RGZReGZ
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* Jesus is shown nailed to the cross through his palms in ''Film/ThePassionOfTheChrist'', although historians and theologians long ago realized that nails were really driven through the ''wrists'' of the condemned; not only because this provides necessary support that driving them through the center of the palm would not, but because there's a bundle of nerves between the bones right at that point where the wrist and palm meet that maximizes the pain and suffering of the victim. Director Creator/MelGibson specifically invoked his artistic license here, though, stating that he was well aware of this, but decided the power of popular imagery trumped accuracy in this case.

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* Jesus is shown nailed to the cross through his palms in ''Film/ThePassionOfTheChrist'', although historians and some liberal theologians long ago realized believed that nails were really driven through the ''wrists'' of the condemned; not only because this provides necessary support that driving them through the center of the palm would not, but because there's a bundle of nerves between the bones right at that point where the wrist and palm meet that maximizes the pain and suffering of the victim. This example belong here in addition to the history is that Director Creator/MelGibson specifically invoked his artistic license here, though, stating had stated that he was well aware of this, but decided the power traditional biblical dogma over historical evidence - that, and many theologians and dogma of popular imagery trumped accuracy in this case.all branches still insist it's the palm.
6th Dec '16 8:54:45 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** And if they have actually read the [[Literatur/TheBible source material]], they'd probably think twice before saying they need them down here, since [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angels are weird in a sense]].

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** And if they have actually read the [[Literatur/TheBible [[Literature/TheBible source material]], they'd probably think twice before saying they need them down here, since [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angels are weird in a sense]].



-->'''Creator/RogerEbert:''' "Stigmata" does not know, or care, about the theology involved, and thus becomes peculiarly heretical by confusing the effects of being possessed by Jesus and by Beelzebub."

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-->'''Creator/RogerEbert:''' "Stigmata" "''Stigmata'' does not know, or care, about the theology involved, and thus becomes peculiarly heretical by confusing the effects of being possessed by Jesus and by Beelzebub."



* The main conflict in the Hugo-winning science fiction novel ''A Case of Conscience'' by Creator/JamesBlish depends entirely on the "fact" that the Catholic church rejects evolution. In fact, the Catholic Church (in the 1940s) said the theory and religion are not mutually exclusive and that the church has no problem with the theory. Compared to certain Protestant sects Catholicism has taken a very moderate stance of the controversy - they were originally neutral on the subject but later came down in favor of it (in fact, English Protestants both supported and rallied against the theory in more or less equal measure). The church made no official pronouncement about the subject at all until Pius XII adopted a neutral attitude. This is more a case of Theology Marches On than a pure example of this trope, but the central character is a Catholic priest who is freaked out by the existence of an alien species that appear to be without sin yet have never known Christianity: in RealLife, the Vatican issued a statement to the effect that it was definitely possible humanity would find such a species out there in the universe, and the idea of sinless aliens actually works within Catholic theology since they would not share Adam's curse. ([[FridgeLogic Wait]], would that mean that humanity's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is sin?!)

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* The main conflict in the Hugo-winning science fiction novel ''A Case of Conscience'' by Creator/JamesBlish depends entirely on the "fact" that the Catholic church rejects evolution. In fact, the Catholic Church (in the 1940s) said the theory and religion are not mutually exclusive and that the church has no problem with the theory. Compared to certain Protestant sects Catholicism has taken a very moderate stance of the controversy - they were originally neutral on the subject but later came down in favor of it (in fact, English Protestants both supported and rallied against the theory in more or less equal measure). The church made no official pronouncement about the subject at all until Pius XII adopted a neutral attitude. This is more a case of Theology Marches On than a pure example of this trope, but the central character is a Catholic priest who is freaked out by the existence of an alien species that appear appears to be without sin yet have never known Christianity: in RealLife, the Vatican issued a statement to the effect that it was definitely possible humanity would find such a species out there in the universe, and the idea of sinless aliens actually works within Catholic theology since they would not share Adam's curse. ([[FridgeLogic Wait]], would that mean that humanity's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] is sin?!)
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