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4th Nov '17 5:41:31 PM SoapheadChurch
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** The show does not seem to know the difference between the defined Catholic dogma of purgatory and the theory of limbo. Apparently their justification for Peter's stereotypes about Jews in the "When You Wish Upon a Weinstein" episode was that much of what Peter knows about his own Catholic faith is stereotypes.

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** The show does not seem to know the difference between the defined Catholic dogma of purgatory and the theory of limbo. Apparently their justification for Peter's stereotypes about Jews father Francis, a devout Catholic, backhandedly compliments Peter's (Protestant) wife Lois by telling her "Maybe you won't go to hell; maybe you'll just go to purgatory with all the unbaptized babies!" Francis should certainly be aware, but purgatory is a temporary place of purification for those who are destined for heaven, but still need to undergo punishment for sins committed in life. Limbo is supposedly a permanent residence for those who cannot enter heaven and do not deserve hell, i.e. unbaptized infants and righteous people who died before Jesus. The other major difference is that purgatory is an established Church doctrine, but limbo is not (though a good number of Catholics do believe in it.)
** Peter's entire conception of the Jewish religion
in the "When You Wish Upon a Weinstein" episode revolves around stereotypes about their skill with money and mathematics. Apparently their justification was that much of what Peter knows about his own Catholic faith is stereotypes.


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** Every depiction of UsefulNotes/ThePope in the show is a pudgy man with a strong Italian accent. There have been three popes since the show began, and not a single one of them has been Italian. This one can probably be chalked up to a stereotype, since the then-current Pope John Paul II was the first non-Italian pope elected in nearly five centuries.
27th Oct '17 11:45:43 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''Series/HellOnWheels'', Mormon Aaron Hatch says Bohannon has damned his daughter Naomi to Outer Darkness for eternity because they had extramarital sex (and she got pregnant). However, Mormon doctrine is that only those who have first accepted the Holy Ghost and then denied it will go to Outer Darkness, which you'd expect he would know. See "Plan of Salvation" on the {{UsefulNotes/Mormonism}} page. Then there's the whole business with Bohannon marrying the Mormon girl. Mormon wedding ceremonies are not open to non-believers. The ceremony that the Swede presides over doesn't resemble a Mormon sealing in any case, but still, a Mormon bishop (even a fake one like the Swede) would not preside over the marriage of a Mormon girl to an outsider.
** Only LDS sealings are strictly between members and closed to outsiders. Bishops and other Church officers are quite capable of performing civil marriages with any mix of member and non-member (though whether or not this was true in the time the series takes place may be another story).

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* In ''Series/HellOnWheels'', Mormon Aaron Hatch says Bohannon has damned his daughter Naomi to Outer Darkness for eternity because they had extramarital sex (and she got pregnant). However, Mormon doctrine is that only those who have first accepted the Holy Ghost and then denied it will go to Outer Darkness, which you'd expect he would know. See "Plan of Salvation" on the {{UsefulNotes/Mormonism}} page. Then there's the whole business with Bohannon marrying the Mormon girl. Mormon wedding ceremonies are not open to non-believers. The ceremony that the Swede presides over doesn't resemble a Mormon sealing in any case, but still, a Mormon bishop (even a fake one like the Swede) would not preside over the marriage of a Mormon girl to an outsider.
** Only LDS sealings are strictly between members and closed to outsiders. Bishops and other Church officers are quite capable of performing civil marriages with any mix of member and non-member (though whether or not this was true in the time the series takes place may be another story).
27th Oct '17 11:34:22 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Film/{{Religulous}}'' espouses the "Christ myth theory", claiming that UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} was not a historical figure, but was actually based on the Egyptian god Horus. [[http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/6641 Neither claim is true]]. It's even been theorized that the film's thesis was based on the aforementioned ''Zeitgeist''.

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* ''Film/{{Religulous}}'' espouses the "Christ myth theory", claiming that UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} was not a historical figure, but was actually based on the Egyptian god Horus. [[http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/6641 Neither claim This is true]]. It's even been theorized a fringe theory that the film's thesis was based on the aforementioned ''Zeitgeist''.is not taken very seriously in historical or religious studies.
25th Oct '17 9:38:40 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Film/VanHelsing'': Van Helsing must kill Dracula to prevent the Valerious family from "passing into Purgatory" and thus never reaching Heaven. Yeah, except that, according to Catholic dogma, passing into Purgatory means eventually ending up in Heaven. The movie states that they would be stuck in Purgatory forever, because of a special deal that the original Valerious made.
** Also, a friar isn't a lower degree of monk who hasn't leveled up to taking vows (that's a novice). Monks are members of monastic orders who profess the three vows (poverty, chastity, and obedience) and live in a cloistered ascetic community (like the abbey that Van Helsing says Carl has never left). Friars are members of mendicant orders who profess the three vows and live in the community at large, moving around as necessary to do their work. Carl's right, he's not a monk; but his brown habit and tonsure clearly mark him out as a Franciscan friar (Order of Friars Minor), which very definitely means a vow of chastity (though the way he says this to a woman implies that he's just taken advantage of her ignorance).

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* ''Film/VanHelsing'': ''Film/VanHelsing'':
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Van Helsing must kill Dracula to prevent the Valerious family from "passing into Purgatory" and thus never reaching Heaven. Yeah, except that, according to Catholic dogma, passing into Purgatory means eventually ending up in Heaven. The movie states that they would be stuck in Purgatory forever, because of a special deal that the original Valerious made.
** Also, a A friar isn't a lower degree of monk who hasn't leveled up to taking vows (that's a novice). Monks are members of monastic orders who profess the three vows (poverty, chastity, and obedience) and live in a cloistered ascetic community (like the abbey that Van Helsing says Carl has never left). Friars are members of mendicant orders who profess the three vows and live in the community at large, moving around as necessary to do their work. Carl's right, he's not a monk; but his brown habit and tonsure clearly mark him out as a Franciscan friar (Order of Friars Minor), which very definitely means a vow of chastity (though the way he says this to a woman implies that he's just taken advantage of her ignorance).
15th Oct '17 6:15:28 AM AirofMystery
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** In the episode "The Road to the Multiverse" Stewie and Brian traveled to a universe where Christianity never existed. The world is considerably more advanced than our world. Their justification for this was if Christianity was gone there would be no "Dark Ages". This is wrong on two counts. First, the Dark Ages is just a general term for the time between the fall of the Roman Empires and the Late Middle Ages, not a period of religiously-motivated intellectual stagnation (indeed most historians have stopped calling it "The Dark Ages" for exactly that reason). Second, most of the progress made in science and philosophy during that time period was made by clerics and the Church generally, largely due to it being one of the few institutions to survive the fall of the the Empire. Saying that the world would have made 1000 years progress in technology is a silly statement to make anyway, which [[RuleOfFunny may well have been the intention.]]

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** In the episode "The Road to the Multiverse" Stewie and Brian traveled to a universe where Christianity never existed. The world is considerably more advanced than our world. Their justification for this was if Christianity was gone there would be no "Dark Ages". This is wrong on two counts. First, the Dark Ages is just a general term for the time between the fall of the Roman Empires and the Late Middle Ages, not a period of religiously-motivated intellectual stagnation (indeed most historians have stopped calling it "The Dark Ages" for exactly that reason). Second, most of the progress made in science and philosophy during that time period in the Christian world was made by clerics and the Church generally, largely due to it being one of the few institutions to survive Catholic or Orthodox Churches, often because only they had the fall of the the Empire.technical expertise and money to create new books. Saying that the world would have made 1000 years progress in technology is a silly statement to make anyway, which [[RuleOfFunny may well have been the intention.]]
15th Oct '17 6:11:15 AM AirofMystery
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** When Homer and Bart convert to Catholicism in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS16E21TheFatherTheSonAndTheHolyGuestStar The Father, the Son, and the Holy Guest Star]]", Marge is given a glimpse of Catholic Heaven (with Mariachi, Pinatas, spaghetti dinners, Irish pubs, Riverdance, and drunken fist fighting) and Protestant Heaven (portrayed as a boring country club with badminton and croquet, and everyone talking in vaguely East Coast accents). At one point it's revealed that Jesus himself has been hanging out in Catholic Heaven a lot, leading one of the Protestants to cluck, "He's gone native" - which would suggest that Jesus is a Protestant, despite living 1,500 years before Protestantism existed. What makes this really absurd is that Jesus was neither Catholic nor Protestant: he was Jewish. [[RuleOfFunny However this was done intentionally for laughs.]]

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** When Homer and Bart convert to Catholicism in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS16E21TheFatherTheSonAndTheHolyGuestStar The Father, the Son, and the Holy Guest Star]]", Marge is given a glimpse of Catholic Heaven (with Mariachi, Pinatas, spaghetti dinners, Irish pubs, Riverdance, and drunken fist fighting) and Protestant Heaven (portrayed as a boring country club with badminton and croquet, and everyone talking in vaguely East Coast accents). At one point it's revealed that Jesus himself has been hanging out in Catholic Heaven a lot, leading one of the Protestants to cluck, "He's gone native" - which would suggest that Jesus is a Protestant, despite living 1,500 years before Protestantism existed. What makes this really absurd is that Jesus was neither Catholic nor Protestant: he was Jewish.Or not, [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement depending on which denomination of Christianity you consider closest to the early Christian church]]. [[RuleOfFunny However this was done intentionally for laughs.]]
15th Oct '17 5:30:04 AM AirofMystery
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** [[http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1074/1074_01.asp Freemasons worship Baphomet]]. Putting aside that nobody has ever worshiped Baphomet [[note]]Baphomet is actually a phony pagan god that was invented as an excuse to prosecute the Knights Templar for devil worship. Some occultists used Baphomet as a symbolic representation (of God himself in most cases), but never worshiped it as an actual god. The name "Baphomet" does probably etymologically derive from "Mahomet" AKA [[UsefulNotes/Islam the Prophet Muhammad]], but Muslims never worship anyone or anything other than God; "Baphomet" was just anti-Islamic propaganda.[[/note]], Freemasons tend to be Christians (but not Real, True Christians (TM) according to Jack Chick, of course). The only requirement to become a Freemason, in fact, is believing a higher power exists, though they don't get specific about it. The whole plot is a lazy imitation of the infamous [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax Taxil Hoax]], where anti-Catholic French journalist Leo Taxil published a series of books with completely fraudulent and outrageous "exposés" about Freemasons to mock the Catholic Church's opposition to the group, including the claim that they worship Baphomet. Chick seems to have [[PoesLaw taken Taxil at face value]], despite the fact that he confessed to making the whole thing up.

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** [[http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1074/1074_01.asp Freemasons worship Baphomet]]. Putting aside that nobody has ever worshiped Baphomet [[note]]Baphomet is actually a phony pagan god that was invented as an excuse to prosecute the Knights Templar for devil worship. Some occultists used Baphomet as a symbolic representation (of God himself in most cases), but never worshiped it as an actual god. The name "Baphomet" does probably etymologically derive from "Mahomet" AKA [[UsefulNotes/Islam [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} the Prophet Muhammad]], but Muslims never worship anyone or anything other than God; "Baphomet" was just anti-Islamic propaganda.[[/note]], Freemasons tend to be Christians (but not Real, True Christians (TM) according to Jack Chick, of course). The only requirement to become a Freemason, in fact, is believing a higher power exists, though they don't get specific about it. The whole plot is a lazy imitation of the infamous [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax Taxil Hoax]], where anti-Catholic French journalist Leo Taxil published a series of books with completely fraudulent and outrageous "exposés" about Freemasons to mock the Catholic Church's opposition to the group, including the claim that they worship Baphomet. Chick seems to have [[PoesLaw taken Taxil at face value]], despite the fact that he confessed to making the whole thing up.
15th Oct '17 5:29:44 AM AirofMystery
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** [[http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1074/1074_01.asp Freemasons worship Baphomet]]. Putting aside that nobody has ever worshiped Baphomet [[note]]Baphomet is actually a phony pagan god that was invented as an excuse to prosecute the Knights Templar for devil worship. Some occultists used Baphomet as a symbolic representation (of God himself in most cases), but never worshiped it as an actual god[[/note]], Freemasons tend to be Christians (but not Real, True Christians (TM) according to Jack Chick, of course). The only requirement to become a Freemason, in fact, is believing a higher power exists, though they don't get specific about it. The whole plot is a lazy imitation of the infamous [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax Taxil Hoax]], where anti-Catholic French journalist Leo Taxil published a series of books with completely fraudulent and outrageous "exposés" about Freemasons to mock the Catholic Church's opposition to the group, including the claim that they worship Baphomet. Chick seems to have [[PoesLaw taken Taxil at face value]], despite the fact that he confessed to making the whole thing up.

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** [[http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1074/1074_01.asp Freemasons worship Baphomet]]. Putting aside that nobody has ever worshiped Baphomet [[note]]Baphomet is actually a phony pagan god that was invented as an excuse to prosecute the Knights Templar for devil worship. Some occultists used Baphomet as a symbolic representation (of God himself in most cases), but never worshiped it as an actual god[[/note]], god. The name "Baphomet" does probably etymologically derive from "Mahomet" AKA [[UsefulNotes/Islam the Prophet Muhammad]], but Muslims never worship anyone or anything other than God; "Baphomet" was just anti-Islamic propaganda.[[/note]], Freemasons tend to be Christians (but not Real, True Christians (TM) according to Jack Chick, of course). The only requirement to become a Freemason, in fact, is believing a higher power exists, though they don't get specific about it. The whole plot is a lazy imitation of the infamous [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax Taxil Hoax]], where anti-Catholic French journalist Leo Taxil published a series of books with completely fraudulent and outrageous "exposés" about Freemasons to mock the Catholic Church's opposition to the group, including the claim that they worship Baphomet. Chick seems to have [[PoesLaw taken Taxil at face value]], despite the fact that he confessed to making the whole thing up.
11th Oct '17 6:23:53 PM Vampireandthen
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** Actually, and this may surprise, there is a patron saint of vampires - however, it is a very obscure story, and deals with the saint killing the vampire, meaning one would invoke him to protect yourself from vampires.
23rd Sep '17 8:03:08 PM SilverWarriorWolf
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* ''Comicbook/{{Azrael}}'', in ''spades'', the second series even more so than the first. A particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} example is the 2011 BatFamilyCrossover ''Judgement on Gotham.'' In this crossover, Azrael ([[Characters/BatmanSupportingCast Michael Lane]]) teams with the Crusader, a superpowered psychotic, in order to destroy Gotham City, which they perceive as a modern day Sodom/Gomorrah (It's later revealed that they were manipulated into doing this by Comicbook/RasAlGhul, who apparently likes to play with Dominoes). In accordance to Literature/TheBible story on the topic, however, they decide to instead first see if there is one righteous soul in the city. So, [[SarcasmMode naturally]], they decide to test Batman (Dick Grayson), ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} (Selina Kyle) and Red Robin (Tim Drake). If they find one righteous soul, they'll spare the city. Aaaaaaaandd here's where it fails. In the original Sodom and Gomorrah story, God agreed with Abraham to not destroy the cities for the sake of ''ten'' righteous people. This then begs the question of why Azrael and the Crusader didn't just take a poll of the local Christian churches. We the readers are then expected to believe that: 1.) The biggest "sin" that the Sword of Sin (a sword that when plunged into a person's body reveals to both the victim and the wielder the sins of the victim) could dredge up from Dick Grayson was not helping some random guy from the circus when he was a ''kid'', as opposed to, say, fornication, lying, lustful thoughts, use of profanity etc. 2.) We are further expected to believe that Azrael and the Crusader sincerely think that they can find an individual without sin, which, according to Literature/TheBible, yes, ''Literature/TheBible'', is impossible with the sole exception of Jesus Christ (and his mother, Mary, if you happen to run in Catholic circles). 3.) In relation to point 2, we are then expected to believe that Tim Drake, who, as good a guy as he is, has lied, thought lustful thoughts, and used profane language, is "sinless." We are also expected to believe that [[OutOfCharacterMoment Tim is pretentious enough to even think he has no sins, which he does think, according to his opening monologue]]. 4.) We are then expected to believe that Selina Kyle, ''Catwoman,'' would fail the "sinless" test solely because she ''wouldn't kill her sister "in the name of God"'', as opposed to her history of stealing, fornication, etc., this test ''completely'' violating every rule of Christianity. The reason it's so ridiculous is that the entire premise of this crossover relies on Azrael and Crusader, the former being a staunch Catholic from boyhood, being completely ignorant of the Bible's most basic principles, to the point that ''Catwoman'' knows more about Christianity than they do ("God and God alone can judge").

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* ''Comicbook/{{Azrael}}'', in ''spades'', the second series even more so than the first. A particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} example is the 2011 BatFamilyCrossover ''Judgement on Gotham.'' In this crossover, Azrael ([[Characters/BatmanSupportingCast Michael Lane]]) teams with the Crusader, a superpowered psychotic, in order to destroy Gotham City, which they perceive as a modern day Sodom/Gomorrah (It's later revealed that they were manipulated into doing this by Comicbook/RasAlGhul, who apparently likes to play with Dominoes). In accordance to Literature/TheBible story on the topic, however, they decide to instead first see if there is one righteous soul in the city. So, [[SarcasmMode naturally]], they decide to test Batman (Dick Grayson), ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} (Selina Kyle) and Red Robin (Tim Drake). If they find one righteous soul, they'll spare the city. Aaaaaaaandd here's where it fails. In the original Sodom and Gomorrah story, God agreed with Abraham to not destroy the cities for the sake of ''ten'' righteous people. This then begs the question of why Azrael and the Crusader didn't just take a poll of the local Christian churches. We the readers are then expected to believe that: 1.) The biggest "sin" that the Sword of Sin (a sword that when plunged into a person's body reveals to both the victim and the wielder the sins of the victim) could dredge up from Dick Grayson was not helping some random guy from the circus when he was a ''kid'', as opposed to, say, fornication, lying, lustful thoughts, use of profanity etc. 2.) We are further expected to believe that Azrael and the Crusader sincerely think that they can find an individual without sin, which, according to Literature/TheBible, yes, ''Literature/TheBible'', is impossible with the sole exception of Jesus Christ (and his mother, Mary, if you happen to run in Catholic circles).as Azrael is Catholic, so he should know). 3.) In relation to point 2, we are then expected to believe that Tim Drake, who, as good a guy as he is, has lied, thought lustful thoughts, and used profane language, is "sinless." We are also expected to believe that [[OutOfCharacterMoment Tim is pretentious enough to even think he has no sins, which he does think, according to his opening monologue]]. 4.) We are then expected to believe that Selina Kyle, ''Catwoman,'' would fail the "sinless" test solely because she ''wouldn't kill her sister "in the name of God"'', as opposed to her history of stealing, fornication, etc., this test ''completely'' violating every rule of Christianity. The reason it's so ridiculous is that the entire premise of this crossover relies on Azrael and Crusader, the former being a staunch Catholic from boyhood, being completely ignorant of the Bible's most basic principles, to the point that ''Catwoman'' knows more about Christianity than they do ("God and God alone can judge").
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