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15th Apr '18 6:30:20 AM LadyPedantica
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* The pilot episode of ''Series/Bonekickers'' focuses around the discovery of the true cross, and the villain planning to use this proof of Christ's existence to drive the Muslims into a holy war. Apparently nobody bothered to tell him that Muslims do believe that Jesus existed, just that he wasn't God. From the way the episode is framed it doesn't seem like the writers were intentionally setting him up as an idiot.
14th Apr '18 7:10:24 PM ASTOL01
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It's worth noting that one person's artistic license is another person's dogma. People sometimes choose to believe or disbelieve their own faiths as they see fit, from crusaders violating the Christian prohibition on murder to ISIS violating Islam's sanctions against most of their inhumane activities. A group or individual's take on an established faith can be smothered as heresy... or it can found its own religion, as has happened multiple times. As insane as some fictional interpretations of religion are, there has probably been an even more insane version [[RealityIsUnrealistic which actually happened.]]

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It's worth noting that one person's artistic license is another person's dogma. People sometimes choose to believe or disbelieve their own faiths as they see fit, from crusaders violating the Christian prohibition on murder to ISIS violating Islam's sanctions against most of their inhumane activities. A group or individual's take on an established faith can be smothered as heresy... or it can found its own religion, as has happened multiple times.religion. As insane as some fictional interpretations of religion are, there has probably been an even more insane version [[RealityIsUnrealistic which actually happened.]]
14th Apr '18 7:09:50 PM ASTOL01
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It's worth noting that one person's artistic license is another person's dogma. People sometimes choose to believe or disbelieve their own faiths as they see fit, from crusaders violating the Christian prohibition on murder to ISIS violating Islam's sanctions against most of their inhumane activities. A group or individual's take on an established faith can be smothered as heresy... or it can found its own religion, as has happened multiple times. As insane as some fictional interpretations of religion are, there has probably been an even more insane version [[RealityIsUnrealistic which actually happened.]]
31st Mar '18 11:27:23 PM nombretomado
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* On the TV miniseries ''Series/{{Roots}}'', the people in Kunta Kinte's village are shown to be Muslim, and the women of the village walk around topless. The problem is that if the women were Muslim, they would certainly not be topless in public. The only specific command in the Qur'an about female modesty is that they must cover their breasts (it's probably FanService). They could be less-observant Muslims (actually [[RealityIsUnrealistic fairly common]] for West African Muslim peoples far from the region's great cities).

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* On the TV miniseries ''Series/{{Roots}}'', ''Series/Roots1977'', the people in Kunta Kinte's village are shown to be Muslim, and the women of the village walk around topless. The problem is that if the women were Muslim, they would certainly not be topless in public. The only specific command in the Qur'an about female modesty is that they must cover their breasts (it's probably FanService). They could be less-observant Muslims (actually [[RealityIsUnrealistic fairly common]] for West African Muslim peoples far from the region's great cities).
22nd Mar '18 7:38:00 PM EricNeoMatrix
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* While [[ShownTheirWork very accurate overall]], the author of ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' does make a few mistakes (and deliberate subversions) in his depictions of religion.
** The pentagram is depicted as a unique Satanic symbol. In reality, the pentagram is actually a Christian symbol representing the five wounds of Christ. The author admitted he knew this, but [[RuleOfCool he thought the pentagram looked cooler]] and that it made the Demons more distinct. Similarly, the crescent moon is used as a symbol for Islam as a whole - it's actually completely unique to Turkey. As above, the author simply used it because it gave the Emirate of Mecca a distinct icon.
** The Shia-Sunni divide doesn't exist at all in the Emirate. Although this may be FridgeBrilliance, considering the Prophet Muhammad is still alive and the Muslim leader in this setting.
** The Christianity depicted in the story is a bizarre mash-up of pretty much every single Christian denomination.
** Maledict is a very deliberate subversion of the Satan depicted in the Bible and the Koran. He's depicted as being a HumanoidAbomination-cum-PhysicalGod who happens to be more powerful than Jesus Christ. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And he's a hedgehog]].
** Jesus is married to Mary Magdalene and has a daughter named Sarah. WordOfGod confirms that this was an intentional ShoutOut to ''Literature/TheDaVinciCode'', and he [[ThrowItIn threw it in]] to make Jesus a more complex character despite its [[DanBrowned historical inaccuracy]].

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* While [[ShownTheirWork very accurate overall]], the author of ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' does make a few mistakes (and deliberate subversions) has this trope in his depictions numerous places, mostly because of religion.its [[UpToEleven intentionally exaggerated]] DarkerAndEdgier look at Judeo-Christian religions in the setting and backstory. Lampshaded by Chris, who explains to Sonic that the Judaism/Christianity/Islam equivalents in the Sonic universe are basically nothing like the ones on Earth.
** The pentagram is depicted as a unique Satanic symbol. In reality, the pentagram is actually a Christian symbol representing the five wounds of Christ. The author admitted he knew this, but According to WordOfGod [[RuleOfCool he just thought the pentagram looked cooler]] and that it made the Demons more distinct. Similarly, the crescent moon is used as a symbol for Islam as a whole - it's actually completely unique to Turkey. As above, the author simply used it WordOfGod is because it gave the Emirate of Mecca a distinct icon.
** The Shia-Sunni divide doesn't exist at all HumanSacrifice is strictly forbidden in the Emirate. Although this may be FridgeBrilliance, considering the Prophet Muhammad is still alive and the Muslim leader in this setting.
** The Christianity depicted in the story is a bizarre mash-up of pretty much every single Christian denomination.
** Maledict is a very deliberate subversion of the Satan depicted in the Bible and the Koran. He's depicted as being a HumanoidAbomination-cum-PhysicalGod who happens
Judaism, but according to be more powerful than Jesus Christ. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And he's a hedgehog]].
** Jesus is married to Mary Magdalene and has a daughter named Sarah.
WordOfGod confirms that this was an intentional ShoutOut the Jews of the Tribal Republic ritually sacrifice Loyalist Jews who are still loyal to ''Literature/TheDaVinciCode'', and he [[ThrowItIn threw it in]] to make Jesus a more complex character despite its [[DanBrowned historical inaccuracy]].the Demon Empire. Likewise, cannibalism is ''haraam'' in Islam, but the Muslims of the Emirate of Mecca use HumanResources from their tortured victims for basically everything (even construction material).
13th Mar '18 7:31:46 AM Bethnee641
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* ''Series/TheGoodWife'': In a rather awkward and contrived manner, with Zack's (ex-)girlfriend Nisa. Initially it's only her skin color that's a topic of debate (because of the possible repercussions for Peter's campaign), but later she is mentioned to be the daughter of a Hamas-sympathizing Muslim cleric, which basically rolls three separate unlikely scenarios into one. A Muslim girl not wearing a scarf? Progressively more unlikely the more conservative the family gets. A Muslim girl allowed to have a boyfriend before marriage? Progressively more unlikely the more conservative the family gets. A Muslim girl allowed to have a ''nonbeliever'' as a boyfriend? Unlikely even for moderately Muslim families. All of the above at once, with the father in question being the aforementioned Hamas-sympathizing cleric? You must be joking, even if the boyfriend is the son of the Cook County State's Attorney (and later Illinois Governor).

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In a rather awkward and contrived manner, with Zack's (ex-)girlfriend Nisa. Initially it's only her skin color that's a topic of debate (because of the possible repercussions for Peter's campaign), but later she is mentioned to be the daughter of a Hamas-sympathizing Muslim cleric, which basically rolls three separate unlikely scenarios into one. A Muslim girl not wearing a scarf? Progressively more unlikely the more conservative the family gets. A Muslim girl allowed to have a boyfriend before marriage? Progressively more unlikely the more conservative the family gets. A Muslim girl allowed to have a ''nonbeliever'' as a boyfriend? Unlikely even for moderately Muslim families. All of the above at once, with the father in question being the aforementioned Hamas-sympathizing cleric? You must be joking, even if the boyfriend is the son of the Cook County State's Attorney (and later Illinois Governor).Governor).
** In an early episode, an Orthodox Jewish couple is sued by a woman who was injured in front of their store on Shabbat, while walking to the local kosher grocery store, a store that wouldn't have been open on Shabbat. No one questions this.
13th Feb '18 5:58:21 AM Samx
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** In fact the whole episode falls in this categories (seriously you can have a drinking game with the number of examples this one episode provides). For example, why would the weapons needed to kill the Antichrist be at the Vatican, when the Antichrist isn't even Catholic doctrine? Another example would be that Stan was not allowed to enter the Vatican because he is no longer a Christian. [[SarcasmMode Yeah that's right, non-Christians are not allowed to enter this Catholic building]] when in real life anyone can enter the Vatican, even in restricted areas, so long as you buy a ticket. Also, the Bible never talks about Satan having children (though it's been a popular folk idea). And to top it all off, at the end we see the Antichrist sporting the upside down cross, even though it's not really a Satanic symbol (While it's true that most people don't know this, but one would assume that the Antichrist of all people would know). In fact, an inverted cross is the symbol of the ''pope'', after the legend in which St. Peter (traditionally viewed as the first pope) was crucified upside down so his death would not resemble Christ's. It even appears on the Papal throne. It's even been taken by anti-Catholic Christians to be a sign that the Pope is the Antichrist, making this doubly ironic. This also raises the question why would the Vatican even care if a Protestant (a person from a completely different branch of Christianity) is banned from there.

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** In fact the whole episode falls in this categories (seriously you can have a drinking game with the number of examples this one episode provides). For example, why would the weapons needed to kill the Antichrist be at the Vatican, when the Antichrist isn't even Catholic doctrine? Another example would be that Stan was not allowed to enter the Vatican because he is no longer a Christian. [[SarcasmMode Yeah that's right, non-Christians are not allowed to enter this Catholic building]] when in real life anyone can enter the Vatican, even in restricted areas, so long as you buy a ticket. Also, the Bible never talks about Satan having children (though it's been a popular folk idea). And to top it all off, at the end we see the Antichrist sporting the upside down cross, even though it's not really a Satanic symbol (While it's true that most people don't know this, but one would assume that the Antichrist of all people would know). In fact, an inverted cross is the symbol of the ''pope'', after the legend in which St. Peter (traditionally viewed as the first pope) was crucified upside down so his death would not resemble Christ's. (Though to be fair, a mainstream Christian belief about the occult is that any corruption of a symbol is occultic, hence why simply putting a circle around the Star of David makes it evil, as it is a corruption of the original intent, according to this belief. Things like Black Sabbaths and reversed citations of the Lord's Prayer are such corruptions.) It even appears on the Papal throne. It's even been taken by anti-Catholic Christians to be a sign that the Pope is the Antichrist, making this doubly ironic. This also raises the question why would the Vatican even care if a Protestant (a person from a completely different branch of Christianity) is banned from there.
17th Jan '18 2:10:13 PM margdean56
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* ''Literature/LeftBehind'' is very accurate in its portrayal of a very specific flavor of pre-millenial dispensationalists the writers belong to. ([[CreatorProvincialism Even if it is weird]] to see the formerly non-believing protagonists [[InstantExpert talk and behave like long-term believers instantly upon converting]].) Everyone else (from Catholics, Jews and Atheists right up to competing premillenials) gets the shaft, badly.

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* ''Literature/LeftBehind'' is very accurate in its portrayal of a very specific flavor of pre-millenial pre-millennial dispensationalists the writers belong to. ([[CreatorProvincialism Even if it is weird]] to see the formerly non-believing protagonists [[InstantExpert talk and behave like long-term believers instantly upon converting]].) Everyone else (from Catholics, Jews and Atheists right up to competing premillenials) premillennials) gets the shaft, badly.



* In ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'', the climax of the trilogy hinges on a second Fall of humanity, in which it's prophesied that Lyra "will disobey" and thus become a "second Eve" (from Literature/TheBible). What she actually does is [[spoiler: fall in love and make out with Will.]] She may have had sex, but even WordOfGod on the subject is "maybe, maybe not," sometimes slanted more toward the [[http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/12/1071125644900.html not]]. The issue is that if you leave out the sex between unmarried teenagers, there's nothing in her actions that Literature/TheBible considers sin or "disobeying" at all. Even that may not be a sin, since it's supposed to happen prior to another Fall-Adam and Eve are implied to have had sex before eating the fruit.
** And then, of course, there is the statement that Catholicism has literally stood in the way of every single scientific and technological advance in history and that these advances had to be 'snatched' from them at every turn. Never mind the fact that the actual first book of the series revolved around some nasty scientific experiments conducted for the Church, meaning that statement isn't even accurate ''in universe'', the truth is that the real-life Church has been funding science since before it was actually ''called'' science, and still does. The long story [[ArtisticLicenseTraditionalChristianity is here under science]], but the short version is that they own at least two scientific institutes - [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences the Pontifical Academy of Sciences]] and the extremely venerable [[http://vaticanobservatory.org/ Vatican Observatory]] and fund many more. The idea that they have ever opposed, or even disliked, science is a total myth. These are the guys who accepted evolution as soon as they had deemed there was sufficient evidence to support it (this was in about 1942).
* ''Literature/ThePowerOfFive'': Horowitz takes a few liberties with the belief system of the Incas, several Native American myths, some Ancient Chinese legends and even the theology syllabus of Roman universities in order to work the cosmology of the series into them. Also, in a more nitpicky example, he claims that the five-pointed star symbol of the Gatekeepers has "nothing to do with Christianity", which isn't strictly true - a few examples of early Christian artwork do use a similar five-pointed star as a symbol of Christ. It would still be a bit odd to find it carved on a secret door in the Vatican, but it wouldn't be as unbelievable as the book implies. The Incan tumi given to Richard is described as having a sharp point. Tumis do not have points; the blade is semicircular.

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* In ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'', the climax of the trilogy hinges on a second Fall of humanity, in which it's prophesied that Lyra "will disobey" and thus become a "second Eve" (from Literature/TheBible). What she actually does is [[spoiler: fall in love and make out with Will.]] She may have had sex, but even WordOfGod on the subject is "maybe, maybe not," sometimes slanted more toward the [[http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/12/1071125644900.html not]]. The issue is that if you leave out the sex between unmarried teenagers, there's nothing in her actions that Literature/TheBible considers sin or "disobeying" at all. Even that may not be a sin, since it's supposed to happen prior to another Fall-Adam Fall--Adam and Eve are implied to have had sex before eating the fruit.
** And then, of course, there is the statement that Catholicism has literally stood in the way of every single scientific and technological advance in history and that these advances had to be 'snatched' from them at every turn. Never mind the fact that the actual first book of the series revolved around some nasty scientific experiments conducted for the Church, meaning that statement isn't even accurate ''in universe'', the truth is that the real-life Church has been funding science since before it was actually ''called'' science, and still does. The long story [[ArtisticLicenseTraditionalChristianity is here under science]], but the short version is that they own at least two scientific institutes - [[http://en.institutes--[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences the Pontifical Academy of Sciences]] and the extremely venerable [[http://vaticanobservatory.org/ Vatican Observatory]] and fund many more. The idea that they have ever opposed, or even disliked, science is a total myth. These are the guys who accepted evolution as soon as they had deemed there was sufficient evidence to support it (this was in about 1942).
* ''Literature/ThePowerOfFive'': Horowitz takes a few liberties with the belief system of the Incas, several Native American myths, some Ancient Chinese legends and even the theology syllabus of Roman universities in order to work the cosmology of the series into them. Also, in a more nitpicky example, he claims that the five-pointed star symbol of the Gatekeepers has "nothing to do with Christianity", which isn't strictly true - a true--a few examples of early Christian artwork do use a similar five-pointed star as a symbol of Christ. It would still be a bit odd to find it carved on a secret door in the Vatican, but it wouldn't be as unbelievable as the book implies. The Incan tumi given to Richard is described as having a sharp point. Tumis do not have points; the blade is semicircular.
12th Jan '18 6:17:35 PM nombretomado
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While we can understand your love for a show, please refrain from making {{justifying edit}}s based on your personal [[WildMassGuessing theories]] or [[{{Fanon}} explanations]]. That's what the discussion pages are for. Also be aware of the NoTrueScotsman Fallacy; a lot of things in religion are open to (mis)interpretation, and [[PoesLaw for every alternate theory, there's bound to be some group that takes it deadly seriously]]. This is more about claiming such-and-such a belief is mainstream, or explicitly stated in a certain religion's scriptures or equivalent thereof, when it's not.

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While we can understand your love for a show, please refrain from making {{justifying Administrivia/{{justifying edit}}s based on your personal [[WildMassGuessing theories]] or [[{{Fanon}} explanations]]. That's what the discussion pages are for. Also be aware of the NoTrueScotsman Fallacy; a lot of things in religion are open to (mis)interpretation, and [[PoesLaw for every alternate theory, there's bound to be some group that takes it deadly seriously]]. This is more about claiming such-and-such a belief is mainstream, or explicitly stated in a certain religion's scriptures or equivalent thereof, when it's not.
7th Jan '18 1:06:13 PM SoapheadChurch
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** Peter's father Francis, a devout Catholic, backhandedly compliments Peter's (Protestant) wife Lois by telling her "Maybe you won't go to hell; maybe you'll just go to purgatory with all the unbaptized babies!" Francis should certainly be aware, but purgatory is a temporary place of purification for those who are destined for heaven, but still need to undergo punishment for sins committed in life. Limbo is supposedly a permanent residence for those who cannot enter heaven and do not deserve hell, i.e. unbaptized infants and righteous people who died before Jesus. The other major difference is that purgatory is an established Church doctrine, but limbo is not (though a good number of Catholics do believe in it.)

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** Peter's father Francis, a devout Catholic, backhandedly compliments Peter's (Protestant) wife Lois by telling her "Maybe you won't go to hell; maybe you'll just go to purgatory with all the unbaptized babies!" Francis should certainly be aware, but purgatory is a temporary place of purification for those who are destined for heaven, but still need to undergo punishment for sins committed in life. Limbo is supposedly a permanent residence for those who cannot enter heaven and do not deserve hell, i.e. unbaptized infants and righteous people who died before Jesus. The other major difference is that Also, purgatory is an established Church doctrine, but limbo is not (though a good number of Catholics do believe in it.)
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