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23rd Sep '16 2:59:37 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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** The villains in the story plan to get Nightcrawler, a devil-looking mutant, installed as the pope then at a crucial time have his image inducer fail revealing him to be the Antichrist while distributing communion wafers that when activated will cause people to dissolve, simulating the Rapture, which will cause all the Catholic Church to declare war on all the mutants, wiping out the mutants, breaking the Catholic Church, destroying Western Civilization, and causing all the former Catholics to join their church. This plan is either insanely stupid or surprisingly brilliant. It's insanely stupid because the villains were a small, breakaway faction of Catholicism with likely very little [[note]]read: absolutely zero, as they would be officially a schismatic group not in communion with the Church due to a number of delicts -- heck, ''Oral Roberts'' would have more pull in the curia than these yahoos[[/note]] actual power in the papal elections and therefore could not get Nightcrawler elected as pope, would require everyone in the Church to assume he is the Antichrist, and not, say, someone who replaced the pope, have these communion hosts [[note]]which are actually produced in multiples of locations, not just in some central bakery in the Vatican, as Austen--sorry, ''The Church of Humanity's'' plan would depend on[[/note]] distributed far and wide and not have anyone discover them, have Catholics spontaneously adopt the Rapture (as this is not part of Catholic Dogma, but originated in Protestantism[[note]]and not even just Protestantism at large, but a very narrow subset that emerged around 1890 or so[[/note]]), and that this will cause the collapse of Western Civilization even though large swaths of Western Civilization don't practice Catholicism, that all the Catholics will spontaneously lose their faith including the more secular and non-practicing ones, and that all these ex-Catholics will join their church, rather than the hundreds of other faiths out there. The reason why it's potentially brilliant, is that it reflects how [[CrapsackWorld cynically accurate]] the reactions of the Marvel human population would be, and that having the Rapture really ''would'' cause problems because it would overturn a lot of previous dogma. If only they mentioned the latter bit.

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** The villains in the story plan to get Nightcrawler, ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}}, a devil-looking mutant, installed as the pope then at a crucial time have his image inducer fail revealing him to be the Antichrist while distributing communion wafers that when activated will cause people to dissolve, simulating the Rapture, which will cause all the Catholic Church to declare war on all the mutants, wiping out the mutants, breaking the Catholic Church, destroying Western Civilization, and causing all the former Catholics to join their church. This plan is either insanely stupid or surprisingly brilliant. It's insanely stupid because the villains were a small, breakaway faction of Catholicism with likely very little [[note]]read: absolutely zero, as they would be officially a schismatic group not in communion with the Church due to a number of delicts -- heck, ''Oral Roberts'' would have more pull in the curia than these yahoos[[/note]] actual power in the papal elections and therefore could not get Nightcrawler elected as pope, would require everyone in the Church to assume he is the Antichrist, and not, say, someone who replaced the pope, have these communion hosts [[note]]which are actually produced in multiples of locations, not just in some central bakery in the Vatican, as Austen--sorry, ''The Church of Humanity's'' plan would depend on[[/note]] distributed far and wide and not have anyone discover them, have Catholics spontaneously adopt the Rapture (as this is not part of Catholic Dogma, but originated in Protestantism[[note]]and not even just Protestantism at large, but a very narrow subset that emerged around 1890 or so[[/note]]), and that this will cause the collapse of Western Civilization even though large swaths of Western Civilization don't practice Catholicism, that all the Catholics will spontaneously lose their faith including the more secular and non-practicing ones, and that all these ex-Catholics will join their church, rather than the hundreds of other faiths out there. The reason why it's potentially brilliant, is that it reflects how [[CrapsackWorld cynically accurate]] the reactions of the Marvel human population would be, and that having the Rapture really ''would'' cause problems because it would overturn a lot of previous dogma. If only they mentioned the latter bit.
19th Aug '16 1:35:12 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The writers are obviously a pretty big fan of RuleOfFunny and generally [[TheyJustDidntCare just doesn't care]], but his use of Jewish symbols is, unsurprisingly, way off the mark. In at least a couple episodes of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' he shows Jews wearing prayer shawls at the wrong times (either outside of prayer, or at nighttime services when they are not worn), and on ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' at one point, in a fantasy cutaway, it shows Cleveland reciting Kol Nidre, the Aramaic annulment of vows that begins Yom Kippur, by reading it from a Torah scroll. It is a legal declaration, not a Biblical passage, and is certainly not found in the Torah (it's not even in the same language).

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** The writers are obviously a pretty big fan of RuleOfFunny and generally [[TheyJustDidntCare just doesn't care]], RuleOfFunny, but his use of Jewish symbols is, unsurprisingly, way off the mark. In at least a couple episodes of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' he shows Jews wearing prayer shawls at the wrong times (either outside of prayer, or at nighttime services when they are not worn), and on ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' at one point, in a fantasy cutaway, it shows Cleveland reciting Kol Nidre, the Aramaic annulment of vows that begins Yom Kippur, by reading it from a Torah scroll. It is a legal declaration, not a Biblical passage, and is certainly not found in the Torah (it's not even in the same language).
4th Jul '16 11:15:05 AM JamesAustin
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* Jesus is shown nailed to the cross through his palms in ''Film/ThePassionOfTheChrist'', although historians and theologians long ago realized that nails were really driven through the ''wrists'' of the condemned; not only because this provides necessary support that driving them through the center of the palm would not, but because there's a bundle of nerves between the bones right at that point where the wrist and palm meet that maximizes the pain and suffering of the victim. Director MelGibson specifically invoked his artistic license here, though, stating that he was well aware of this, but decided the power of popular imagery trumped accuracy in this case.

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* Jesus is shown nailed to the cross through his palms in ''Film/ThePassionOfTheChrist'', although historians and theologians long ago realized that nails were really driven through the ''wrists'' of the condemned; not only because this provides necessary support that driving them through the center of the palm would not, but because there's a bundle of nerves between the bones right at that point where the wrist and palm meet that maximizes the pain and suffering of the victim. Director MelGibson Creator/MelGibson specifically invoked his artistic license here, though, stating that he was well aware of this, but decided the power of popular imagery trumped accuracy in this case.
3rd Jul '16 11:06:31 PM Arivne
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*** Although it is explicitly stated that Constantine's suicide was an act of martyrdom and thus was not sinful in essence.
24th Jun '16 4:37:40 PM StarSword
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* VideoGame/TheLastResurrection portrays Jesus (the game's final boss) as being personally responsible for crusades, inquisitions, witch-burnings and Nazism; during the ending sequence the heroes conclude that world peace will not be achieved until all religions are abolished.....
* VideoGame/{{Okami}} portrays Amaterasu as a goddess in the form of a wolf, when her sacred animals were ravens and crows, and occasionally horses. While it arguably draws inspiration from Ainu wolf worship, it can't really be justifiable because a) it's like depicting Odin as a boar because boars were relevant in Myth/NorseMythology, and b) not all other kami are depicted as wolves. Amaterasu is a wolf because of a pun. Wolf is written as ookami, which can also mean "great god".

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* VideoGame/TheLastResurrection ''VideoGame/TheLastResurrection'' portrays Jesus (the game's final boss) as being personally responsible for crusades, inquisitions, witch-burnings and Nazism; during the ending sequence the heroes conclude that world peace will not be achieved until all religions are abolished.....
* VideoGame/{{Okami}} ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' portrays Amaterasu as a goddess in the form of a wolf, when her sacred animals were ravens and crows, and occasionally horses. While it arguably draws inspiration from Ainu wolf worship, it can't really be justifiable because a) it's like depicting Odin as a boar because boars were relevant in Myth/NorseMythology, and b) not all other kami are depicted as wolves. Amaterasu is a wolf because of a pun. Wolf is written as ookami, which can also mean "great god".



* ''VideoGame/CrusaderKingsII'' is overall pretty good at accurate portrayal of religion (aside from faiths where we have little data, such as Eastern European pagan beliefs), but the game's portrayal of European Christianity in starts before 1066 is the source of arguments over whether it's appropriate to have Catholicism and Orthodoxy be separate denominations before the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism Great Schism]] (when the Pope and the Ecumenical Patriarch excommunicated each other in 1054). Truth is, it's hazy: while in the earliest starts particularly they were officially considered the same church, there were already differences in practice and doctrine such as autocephalous national Orthodox churches[[note]]Essentially each nation's highest cleric pays homage to the Ecumenical Patriarch but in practice governs his own independent hierarchy. This contrasts with the more centralized Catholic church where everybody obeys the Pope.[[/note]] and giving services in the vernacular[[note]]The Catholics insisted on Latin well into the Renaissance when nobody but educated people spoke it, while the Orthodox church was already teaching in the local tongues.[[/note]] Of particular note is Orthodox characters' ability to mend the Great Schism[[note]]making Catholicism into a heresy of Orthodoxy[[/note]] at earlier dates than it actually took place.

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* ''VideoGame/CrusaderKingsII'' ''VideoGame/CrusaderKingsII'': Leaving aside the AlternateHistoryWank caused by the game's reliance on random events and gameplay options such pagan reformations and the Jews retaking the holy land, the game is overall pretty good at accurate portrayal of religion (aside from faiths where we have little data, such as Eastern European pagan beliefs), but the beliefs). Still:
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game's portrayal of European Christianity in starts before 1066 is the source of arguments over whether it's appropriate to have Catholicism and Orthodoxy be separate denominations before the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism Great Schism]] (when the Pope and the Ecumenical Patriarch excommunicated each other in 1054). Truth is, it's hazy: while in the earliest starts particularly they were officially considered the same church, there were already differences in practice and doctrine such as autocephalous national Orthodox churches[[note]]Essentially each nation's highest cleric pays homage to the Ecumenical Patriarch but in practice governs his own independent hierarchy. This contrasts with the more centralized Catholic church where everybody obeys the Pope.[[/note]] and giving services in the vernacular[[note]]The Catholics insisted on Latin well into the Renaissance when nobody but educated people spoke it, while the Orthodox church was already teaching in the local tongues.[[/note]] Of particular note is Orthodox characters' ability to mend the Great Schism[[note]]making Catholicism into a heresy of Orthodoxy[[/note]] at earlier dates than it actually took place.place.
** Outside of Christianity, the game conflates Germanic paganism with Norse paganism (they were related but distinct, especially at the early start dates), and provides little flavor to distinguish Shi'a and Ibadi Islam compared to Sunni Islam.
24th Jun '16 4:23:43 PM StarSword
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* ''VideoGame/CrusaderKingsII'' is overall pretty good at accurate portrayal of religion (aside from faiths where we have little data, such as Eastern European pagan beliefs), but the game's portrayal of European Christianity in starts before 1066 is the source of arguments over whether it's appropriate to have Catholicism and Orthodoxy be separate denominations before the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism Great Schism]] (when the Pope and the Ecumenical Patriarch excommunicated each other in 1054). Truth is, it's hazy: while in the earliest starts particularly they were officially considered the same church, there were already differences in practice and doctrine such as autocephalous national Orthodox churches[[note]]Essentially each nation's highest cleric pays homage to the Ecumenical Patriarch but in practice governs his own independent hierarchy.[[/note]] and giving services in the vernacular[[note]]The Catholics insisted on Latin well into the Renaissance when nobody but educated people spoke it, while the Orthodox church was already teaching in the local tongues.[[/note]] Of particular note is Orthodox characters' ability to mend the Great Schism[[note]]making Catholicism into a heresy of Orthodoxy[[/note]] at earlier dates than it actually took place.

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* ''VideoGame/CrusaderKingsII'' is overall pretty good at accurate portrayal of religion (aside from faiths where we have little data, such as Eastern European pagan beliefs), but the game's portrayal of European Christianity in starts before 1066 is the source of arguments over whether it's appropriate to have Catholicism and Orthodoxy be separate denominations before the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism Great Schism]] (when the Pope and the Ecumenical Patriarch excommunicated each other in 1054). Truth is, it's hazy: while in the earliest starts particularly they were officially considered the same church, there were already differences in practice and doctrine such as autocephalous national Orthodox churches[[note]]Essentially each nation's highest cleric pays homage to the Ecumenical Patriarch but in practice governs his own independent hierarchy. This contrasts with the more centralized Catholic church where everybody obeys the Pope.[[/note]] and giving services in the vernacular[[note]]The Catholics insisted on Latin well into the Renaissance when nobody but educated people spoke it, while the Orthodox church was already teaching in the local tongues.[[/note]] Of particular note is Orthodox characters' ability to mend the Great Schism[[note]]making Catholicism into a heresy of Orthodoxy[[/note]] at earlier dates than it actually took place.
24th Jun '16 4:21:56 PM StarSword
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* ''VideoGame/CrusaderKingsII'' is overall pretty good at accurate portrayal of religion (aside from faiths where we have little data, such as Eastern European pagan beliefs), but the game's portrayal of European Christianity in starts before 1066 is the source of arguments over whether it's appropriate to have Catholicism and Orthodoxy be separate denominations before the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism Great Schism]] (when the Pope and the Ecumenical Patriarch excommunicated each other in 1054). Truth is, it's hazy: while in the earliest starts particularly they were officially considered the same church, there were already differences in practice and doctrine such as autocephalous national Orthodox churches[[note]]Essentially each nation's highest cleric pays homage to the Ecumenical Patriarch but in practice governs his own independent hierarchy.[[/note]] and giving services in the vernacular[[note]]The Catholics insisted on Latin well into the Renaissance when nobody but educated people spoke it, while the Orthodox church was already teaching in the local tongues.[[/note]] Of particular note is Orthodox characters' ability to mend the Great Schism[[note]]making Catholicism into a heresy of Orthodoxy[[/note]] at earlier dates than it actually took place.
26th May '16 6:12:20 PM Sharlee
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* ''Film/TheAbominableDoctorPhibes'' took liberties with the biblical Ten Plagues of Egypt, changing the nature of some and the order in which several occur. Re-scheduling the Plague of Darkness to come ''after'' the Death of the Firstborn is particularly jarring, considering the latter is what Exodus attests had scared the Pharaoh into setting Moses' people free, thus alleviating the ''need'' for any more.

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* ''Film/TheAbominableDoctorPhibes'' ''Film/TheAbominableDrPhibes'' took liberties with the biblical Ten Plagues of Egypt, changing the nature of some and the order in which several occur. Re-scheduling the Plague of Darkness to come ''after'' the Death of the Firstborn is particularly jarring, considering the latter is what Exodus attests had scared the Pharaoh into setting Moses' people free, thus alleviating the ''need'' for any more.
26th May '16 6:11:43 PM Sharlee
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* ''Film/TheAbominableDoctorPhibes'' took liberties with the biblical Ten Plagues of Egypt, changing the nature of some and the order in which several occur. Re-scheduling the Plague of Darkness to come ''after'' the Death of the Firstborn is particularly jarring, considering the latter is what Exodus attests had scared the Pharaoh into setting Moses' people free, thus alleviating the ''need'' for any more.
15th May '16 6:53:26 PM Aethersea
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* In Mexico, there is a common PSA for a children's illness organization depicting the LittlestCancerPatient as an angel. The text translates to English roughly as, "We want no more angels in Heaven; we need them down here." This is already a serious failure to understand Catholic and Christian dogma, but coupled with Mexico's overwhelmingly large Catholic majority, it's truly odd. It's probably supposed to mean "we don't want dead kids, we want them to live" and they are using angel in the "cute" sense, and while there is a rank in the hierarchy of angels, called "Powers", which are made up of human souls who were "made perfect by their righteousness" they're technically not angels, just drafted human souls. Also, the apocryphal "Book of Enoch" and many of the earliest Kabbalist writings believed the angel Metatron is actually the Prophet Enoch transformed, while Sandalphon is the Prophet Elijah. Belief that equates dead children with angels is actually quite widespread [[SadlyMythtaken folk theology]] in Catholic countries - and the PSA is not presumably primarily aimed at trained theologians.

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* In Mexico, there is a common PSA for a children's illness organization depicting the LittlestCancerPatient as an angel. The text translates to English roughly as, "We want no more angels in Heaven; we need them down here." This is already a serious failure to understand Catholic and Christian dogma, but coupled with Mexico's overwhelmingly large Catholic majority, it's truly odd. It's probably supposed to mean "we don't want dead kids, we want them to live" and they are using angel in the "cute" sense, but this is a serious misunderstanding of Catholic and while Christian dogma. While there is a rank in the hierarchy of angels, angels called "Powers", which are made up of human souls who were "made perfect by their righteousness" righteousness," they're technically not angels, just drafted human souls. Also, souls.
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the apocryphal "Book of Enoch" and many of the earliest Kabbalist writings believed the angel Metatron is actually the Prophet Enoch transformed, while Sandalphon is the Prophet Elijah. Belief Elijah, suggesting that dead humans ''do'' become angels, at least sometimes. In any case, belief that equates dead children with angels is actually quite widespread [[SadlyMythtaken folk theology]] in Catholic countries countries, and Mexico does have an overwhelming Catholic majority - and the PSA is not presumably primarily aimed at trained theologians.
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