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5th Jan '18 4:25:26 PM laserviking42
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* [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI World War I]] was almost exclusively fought by armchair generals, officers whose only experience was in wars vastly dissimilar to the realities of trench warfare. Generals would constantly order massive offensives against prepared defenses, despite the fact that trenches and machine guns rendered mass assaults not just useless but horribly lethal. Battles would claim as many as a million casualties in exchange for neglible gains.
** Germany's offensive was the Schlieffen Plan, an ambitious circling maneuver intended to outflank Paris and force the French army to fight in places they weren't prepared for. However it was highly dependent on constant movement and did make any allowances for delays, of which there were many. The General Staff's insistence on maintaining this plan in spite of the experiences of troops on the ground led to trench warfare which would dominate the remainder of the war.
29th Dec '17 1:28:15 PM ironballs16
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* General Lee Oliver of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' is disliked by the NCR troopers because he got his position through {{Nepotism}} and is more focused on [[GloryHound achieving personal fame and possible political clout]] than anything. He considers Chief Hanlon of the NCR Rangers to be a political rival and so does the exact opposite of whatever Hanlon suggests, even though it was Hanlon's strategy that won the First Battle for Hoover Dam. On top of that, Oliver is so intent on a second, climactic battle at the Dam itself that he seems blind to Legion raids taking place anywhere else.

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* General Lee Oliver of ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' is disliked by the NCR troopers because he got his position through {{Nepotism}} and is more focused on [[GloryHound achieving personal fame and possible political clout]] than anything. He considers Chief Hanlon of the NCR Rangers to be a political rival [[CommanderContrarian and so does the exact opposite of whatever Hanlon suggests, suggests]], even though it was Hanlon's strategy that won the First Battle for Hoover Dam. On top of that, Oliver is so intent on a second, climactic battle at the Dam itself that he seems blind to Legion raids taking place anywhere else.
22nd Dec '17 1:43:38 PM acrobox
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* UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur had been described as such during his command in UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar, for never spending a night on Korean soil and issuing his orders from the relative safety of Tokyo. Ironically, during his [[BadassGrandpa previous 50 years of service in the US Army]], he had been the opposite, the one to risk his life even unnecessarily, as in the scouting mission in Mexico and UsefulNotes/WorldWarI in Europe. Enough to have impressed ''Patton'' in 1918.

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* UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur had been described as such during his command in UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar, for never spending a night on Korean soil and issuing his orders from the relative safety of Tokyo. Ironically, during his [[BadassGrandpa [[OldSoldier previous 50 years of service in the US Army]], he had been the opposite, the one to risk his life even unnecessarily, as in the scouting mission in Mexico and UsefulNotes/WorldWarI in Europe. Enough to have impressed ''Patton'' in 1918.
30th Nov '17 2:33:11 PM JohnPrestwick
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While the idea of [[FrontlineGeneral a General who valiantly leads his troops from the front line]] has some ''historical'' basis in reality[[note]]particularly in the days before professional soldiers were a thing, and commanders needed to inspire their forces to fight in addition to figuring out how they were going to win[[/note]], if applied to modern battlefields it is a definite case of HollywoodTactics. [[StraightForTheCommander If the guy in charge of your army dies in the first volley]], [[DecapitatedArmy chances are you're going to lose.]] And even if he doesn't die, fighting with the army is going to make it much harder for him to tell what's going on or relay orders.

Note that Armchair ''Admiral'' is usually an averted trope. Admirals occupy the warships as any sailors do and capital ships are floating command centers. They thus share the same dangers as do any sailors, both combat-related and perils of nature. This is not to say that desktop sailors didn't exist, though. After all, there are likely to be many admirals occupying a desk at naval headquarters on land.

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While the The gallant idea of [[FrontlineGeneral a General who valiantly leads his troops from the front line]] has some ''historical'' basis is something that ''did'' happen in reality[[note]]particularly the past. In ancient and tribal societies, [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking the best fighters were the ones who became commanders]]. Also, in the days before professional soldiers were a thing, and commanders needed part of the job of a commander was to inspire their forces to fight in addition to figuring out how they were going to win[[/note]], if fight. If applied to modern battlefields it is battlefields, however, this would definitely be a definite case of HollywoodTactics. [[StraightForTheCommander If the guy in charge of tactics expert who leads your army dies in the first volley]], [[DecapitatedArmy the chances are you're going to lose.]] And even if he doesn't die, fighting with the army troops is going to make it much harder for him to tell what's going on or relay orders.

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Note that Armchair ''Admiral'' is usually an averted trope. Admirals occupy very often work on the warships as any sailors do warships, and capital ships are floating command centers. They thus share the same dangers as do any sailors, both combat-related and perils of nature. This is not to say that desktop sailors didn't exist, though. After all, there are likely to be many Other admirals occupying a desk instead work at naval headquarters on land.
9th Nov '17 3:19:45 PM TheKaizerreich
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** Bizarrely enough, this actually has yielded some positive results in the war against terror. Amateur sleuths on 4chan got together, analysed propaganda videos taken by Islamist terrorists and determined the location of troops of the Islamic State terror organisation by comparing the video footage with pictures on Googe maps, then send the information to the Russian military via a savvy junior officer, who convinced his superiors of its validity. They promptly decided to bomb the sites to oblivion. This kind of thing has been confirmed to have happened at least twice.
28th Oct '17 2:46:01 AM LtFedora
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13th Sep '17 7:26:34 PM nombretomado
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* In ''TheRegenerationTrilogy'', set in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, this idea is always in the background as the death toll goes up. The main character, British poet [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Siegfriend Sassoon]], is very bitter about his superiors' ignorance of the soldier's suffering.

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* In ''TheRegenerationTrilogy'', ''Literature/TheRegenerationTrilogy'', set in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, this idea is always in the background as the death toll goes up. The main character, British poet [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Siegfriend Sassoon]], is very bitter about his superiors' ignorance of the soldier's suffering.
24th Jul '17 3:16:20 AM Jormungar
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** In an interesting turn of events he and Hitler seemed to switch roles as the war progressed, with Stalingrad marking the turningpoint for both: after Stalingrad Hitler became more involved which only led to further defeats, while Stalin stopped meddling with battle plans and allowed his generals to do their job.

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** In an interesting turn of events he and Hitler seemed to switch roles as the war progressed, with Stalingrad marking the turningpoint for both: after Stalingrad Hitler became more involved in tactical decisions which only led to further defeats, while Stalin stopped meddling with battle plans and allowed his generals to do their job.
24th Jul '17 3:14:30 AM Jormungar
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* Stalin also qualifies, combined with a severe case of [[GeneralFailure General Failure]] and [[TheNeidermeyer The Neidermeyer]]. Fortunately for him and his troops, he was smart enough to acknowledge this (to himself, not to his troops) and eventually (read: after monumental failures that left the western third of the country under nazi occupation and the Wehrmacht marching through the suburbs of Moscow) listened to the advice of his generals, focusing more on the political and strategic objectives of the war [[StrategyVersusTactics and leaving the command of his troops to them]]. It is quite ironic that he and Hitler seemed to switch roles as the war progressed, with Stalingrad marking the turningpoint for both: since Stalingrad Hitler became the Armchair General Failure, while Stalin stopped meddling with battle plans and allowed his generals to do their job.

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* Stalin also qualifies, combined with a severe case of [[GeneralFailure General Failure]] and [[TheNeidermeyer The Neidermeyer]]. Failure]]. Fortunately for him and his troops, he was smart enough to acknowledge this (to himself, not to his troops) and eventually (read: after monumental failures that left (after the western third disastrous loss of the country under nazi occupation and the Wehrmacht marching through the suburbs millions of Moscow) soldiers) listened to the advice of his generals, focusing and focused more on the political and strategic objectives of the war [[StrategyVersusTactics and while leaving the command of his troops tactical decisions to them]]. It is quite ironic them. Not that this stopped him from being proclaimed "generalissimo" and the "military genius" who won the war anyway.
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18th Jul '17 1:15:49 PM ironballs16
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': During "Battle of the Bastards", Ramsay hangs back as his men do all the fighting, needlessly sacrificing the lives of his soldiers in the crossfire of his archers. This puts him at odds with both his GoodCounterpart, Jon, and his brute, Smalljon Umber, who both fight on the frontline, as well as Jon's follower, Davos, who explicitly stops his men from firing arrows on their own men. Later, as soon as the battle goes against him, Ramsay beats a hasty retreat to Winterfell.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': During "Battle of the Bastards", Ramsay hangs back as his men do all the fighting, needlessly sacrificing the lives of his soldiers in the crossfire of his archers. This puts him at odds with both his GoodCounterpart, Jon, and his brute, Smalljon Umber, who both fight on the frontline, as well as Jon's follower, Davos, who explicitly stops his men from firing arrows on their own men. Later, as soon as the battle goes against him, [[DirtyCoward Ramsay beats a hasty retreat to Winterfell.Winterfell]].
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