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15th Apr '17 8:16:49 PM Doug86
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** John Simpson is originally portrayed as armchair military when he cites his service as, "having served in the Pentagon". In later books, it [[RetCon comes out]] that '''before''' he served in the Puzzle Palace, he commanded a riverine unit in the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. [[spoiler: he even lost a leg]]

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** John Simpson is originally portrayed as armchair military when he cites his service as, "having served in the Pentagon". In later books, it [[RetCon comes out]] that '''before''' he served in the Puzzle Palace, he commanded a riverine unit in the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar.UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. [[spoiler: he even lost a leg]]



* Prior to the US-led [[{{War On Terror}} invasion of Iraq]], the clash of ideals between General Eric Shinseki and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was like this. Shinseki's ideas were based on established military doctrine on how to control a country such as Iraq while Rumsfeld's thoughts were [[AssPull pulled out of his ass]]. Rumsfeld simply didn't understand that defeating Iraq's military was the easy part, controlling Iraq's people enough so Iraq could be rebuilt was the difficult part. Rumsfeld also either fully believed in (or actually helped create, depending on your viewpoint) the Bush Administration's view that a war against Iraq would be quick and easy, much to the annoyance of military men who remembered [[VietnamWar the last time]] the United States invaded a country and had to deal with hostile locals.

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* Prior to the US-led [[{{War On Terror}} [[WarOnTerror invasion of Iraq]], the clash of ideals between General Eric Shinseki and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was like this. Shinseki's ideas were based on established military doctrine on how to control a country such as Iraq while Rumsfeld's thoughts were [[AssPull pulled out of his ass]]. Rumsfeld simply didn't understand that defeating Iraq's military was the easy part, controlling Iraq's people enough so Iraq could be rebuilt was the difficult part. Rumsfeld also either fully believed in (or actually helped create, depending on your viewpoint) the Bush Administration's view that a war against Iraq would be quick and easy, much to the annoyance of military men who remembered [[VietnamWar [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the last time]] the United States invaded a country and had to deal with hostile locals.
14th Apr '17 5:48:12 PM Titus88
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* The Music/RogerWaters song "The Barvery of Being Out of Range" is about this in addition to lambasting the news media for treating war as entertainment.

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* The Music/RogerWaters song "The Barvery Bravery of Being Out of Range" is about this in addition to lambasting the news media for treating war as entertainment.
14th Apr '17 5:47:35 PM Titus88
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* The Music/RogerWaters song "The Barvery of Being Out of Range" is about this in addition to lambasting the news media for treating war as entertainment.
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20th Jan '17 11:39:34 AM Morgenthaler
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* The overweight General Miller from ''Film/InTheLoop'' is frequently accused of being an armchair general because he has spent the last 15 years at ThePentagon and away from combat. Miller is appropriately insulted by the accusation. He actually ''does'' have combat experience in his past, and he's the one trying to ''prevent'' a dubious war. His hawk opponents, on the other hand, have no military experience and are trying to start a war for political reasons.

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* The overweight General Miller from ''Film/InTheLoop'' is frequently accused of being an armchair general because he has spent the last 15 years at ThePentagon UsefulNotes/ThePentagon and away from combat. Miller is appropriately insulted by the accusation. He actually ''does'' have combat experience in his past, and he's the one trying to ''prevent'' a dubious war. His hawk opponents, on the other hand, have no military experience and are trying to start a war for political reasons.
14th Jan '17 8:08:35 AM ironballs16
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* Stalin also qualifies, combined with a severe case of [[GeneralFailure General Failure]] and [[TheNeidermeyer The Neidermeyer]]. Fortunately for him and his troops, he was smart enough to acknowledge this (to himself, not to his troops) and eventually (read: after monumental failures that left the western third of the country under nazi occupation and the Wehrmacht marching through the suburbs of Moscow) listened to the advice of his generals, focusing more on the political and strategic objectives of the war [[StrategyVsTactics and leaving the command of his troops to them]]. It is quite ironic that he and Hitler seemed to switch roles as the war progressed, with Stalingrad marking the turningpoint for both: since Stalingrad Hitler became the Armchair General Failure, while Stalin stopped meddling with battle plans and allowed his generals to do their job.

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* Stalin also qualifies, combined with a severe case of [[GeneralFailure General Failure]] and [[TheNeidermeyer The Neidermeyer]]. Fortunately for him and his troops, he was smart enough to acknowledge this (to himself, not to his troops) and eventually (read: after monumental failures that left the western third of the country under nazi occupation and the Wehrmacht marching through the suburbs of Moscow) listened to the advice of his generals, focusing more on the political and strategic objectives of the war [[StrategyVsTactics [[StrategyVersusTactics and leaving the command of his troops to them]]. It is quite ironic that he and Hitler seemed to switch roles as the war progressed, with Stalingrad marking the turningpoint for both: since Stalingrad Hitler became the Armchair General Failure, while Stalin stopped meddling with battle plans and allowed his generals to do their job.
14th Jan '17 8:08:00 AM ironballs16
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* Stalin also qualifies, combined with a severe case of [[GeneralFailure General Failure]] and [[TheNeidermeyer The Neidermeyer]]. Fortunately for him and his trops, he was smart enough to acknowledge this (to himself, not to his troops) and eventually (read: after monumental failures that left the western third of the country under nazi occupation and the Wehrmacht marching through the suburbs of Moscow) listened to the advice of his generals, focusing more on the political and strategic objectives of the war and leaving the command of his troops to them. It is quite ironic that he and Hitler seemed to switch roles as the war progressed, with Stalingrad marking the turningpoint for both: since Stalingrad Hitler became the Armchair General Failure, while Stalin stopped meddling with battle plans and allowed his generals to do their job.

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* Stalin also qualifies, combined with a severe case of [[GeneralFailure General Failure]] and [[TheNeidermeyer The Neidermeyer]]. Fortunately for him and his trops, troops, he was smart enough to acknowledge this (to himself, not to his troops) and eventually (read: after monumental failures that left the western third of the country under nazi occupation and the Wehrmacht marching through the suburbs of Moscow) listened to the advice of his generals, focusing more on the political and strategic objectives of the war [[StrategyVsTactics and leaving the command of his troops to them.them]]. It is quite ironic that he and Hitler seemed to switch roles as the war progressed, with Stalingrad marking the turningpoint for both: since Stalingrad Hitler became the Armchair General Failure, while Stalin stopped meddling with battle plans and allowed his generals to do their job.
14th Jan '17 8:02:23 AM ironballs16
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* General Colin Powell had a run-in with then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright during the planning for intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Powell kept stressing the need for a specific endgame and exit strategy ''before'' any military force was applied, having learned this bitter lesson during his combat service in Vietnam. Albright angrily asked him why bother having such a powerful military if it wasn't going to be used. Powell later stated that he had to take a moment to rein in his emotions.

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* General Colin Powell had a run-in with then-Secretary of State Madeline Albright during the planning for intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Powell kept stressing the need for a specific endgame and exit strategy ''before'' any military force was applied, having learned this bitter lesson during his combat service in Vietnam. Albright angrily asked him [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer why bother having such a powerful military if it wasn't going to be used. used]]. Powell later stated that he had to take a moment [[BerserkButton to rein in his emotions.emotions]].
9th Jan '17 12:10:29 PM ZimFan89
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* In ''[[Manga/AttackonTitan Attack On Titan]]'' the higher-ranking members of the Police Brigade are seen slacking off, forcing the new recruits to do all the dirty work.

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* In ''[[Manga/AttackonTitan Attack On Titan]]'' ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' the higher-ranking members of the Police Brigade are seen slacking off, forcing the new recruits to do all the dirty work.



* "Fanfic/LastRights": In the canon ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' game Kobali General Q'Nel is a hypocritical, out-of-his-depth bureaucrat. He's not portrayed at all sympathetically here. Lyndsay Ballard, formerly a Starfleet officer from a ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode, now the Kobali Armaments Minister, calls him an "overranked bean-counter".

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* "Fanfic/LastRights": ''Fanfic/LastRights'': In the canon ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' game Kobali General Q'Nel is a hypocritical, out-of-his-depth bureaucrat. He's not portrayed at all sympathetically here. Lyndsay Ballard, formerly a Starfleet officer from a ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode, now the Kobali Armaments Minister, calls him an "overranked bean-counter".bean-counter".
* Discussed in ''FanFic/MythosEffect''. Desolas Arterius at one point bitterly mutters that {{Last Stand}}s always look admirable to those who don't have to carry them out. Assumptions like those locked the Turians in a dangerous position with no way of striking back at the New Earth Federation while steadily losing after a promising start.
22nd Dec '16 10:30:38 PM MitchellTF
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Of course this is the same Colin Powell who was a key figure in selling the 2003 Iraq War to the U.S and the world. The Bosnian intervention is now a forgotten footnote while we're still dealing with the repercussions of the Iraq War and will be for decades to come. I wonder what happened to that "need for a specific endgame and exit strategy ''before'' any military force was applied, having learned this bitter lesson during his combat service in Vietnam." thingy of his?
22nd Dec '16 7:09:46 PM celtictwilight
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Of course this is the same Colin Powell who was a key figure in selling the 2003 Iraq War to the U.S and the world. The Bosnian intervention is now a forgotten footnote while we're still dealing with the repercussions of the Iraq War and will be for decades to come. I wonder what happened to that "need for a specific endgame and exit strategy ''before'' any military force was applied, having learned this bitter lesson during his combat service in Vietnam." thingy of his?
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