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21st May '17 3:06:12 PM nombretomado
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** Janet "[[TheWasp Wasp]]" van Dyne thinks the idea of aliens is "just crazy". This from the girl who works with a [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor thunder god]], a [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk giant green monster-man]], and a [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica revived from cryostasis]] SuperSoldier on a regular basis, and can herself turn into a laws-of-aerodynamics-breaking WingedHumanoid. [[spoiler:She's wrong.]] {{Justified|Trope}} by the fact that Wasp was teasing her friend who didn't want to be thought of as crazy for thinking a strange object is alien.

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** Janet "[[TheWasp "[[ComicBook/TheWasp Wasp]]" van Dyne thinks the idea of aliens is "just crazy". This from the girl who works with a [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor thunder god]], a [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk giant green monster-man]], and a [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica revived from cryostasis]] SuperSoldier on a regular basis, and can herself turn into a laws-of-aerodynamics-breaking WingedHumanoid. [[spoiler:She's wrong.]] {{Justified|Trope}} by the fact that Wasp was teasing her friend who didn't want to be thought of as crazy for thinking a strange object is alien.
18th May '17 3:11:40 PM FGHIK
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'''Zoe:''' We live in a spaceship, dear.\\

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'''Zoe:''' We live in a spaceship, [[IfJesusThenAliens spaceship]], dear.\\
18th May '17 2:21:51 PM Anddrix
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13th May '17 7:00:33 AM dmcreif
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*** In the season 1 finale, Harold walks into Rand Enterprises while Jeri Hogarth is talking with Ward. Jeri has trouble believing that Harold actually ''died'' and came back to life, despite, again, personally knowing [[FlyingBrick Jessica Jones]] and having been victimized by [[MindRape Kilgrave]]. Her first remark is that Harold is committing fraud of the highest level.

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*** In the season 1 finale, Harold walks into Rand Enterprises while Jeri Hogarth is talking with Ward. Jeri has trouble believing that Harold actually ''died'' and came back to life, despite, again, personally knowing [[FlyingBrick Jessica Jones]] and having been victimized by [[MindRape Kilgrave]]. Her first remark is that Harold is committing fraud of the highest level. Possibly justified in that she seems very disturbed by the entire notion and might've said offscreen that it is something "we're not allowed to say ever again" and might've been more unnerved than skeptic.
6th May '17 4:08:21 AM lillolillo
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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Korin gives Goku a bell around his neck so that that he can ring it when he reaches the abode of God. Yajirobe scoffs at this, saying God isn't real, despite having fought along with Goku several demons and cowering at the prospect of challenging Demon King Piccolo. Ironically, God and Piccolo turn out to be [[LiteralSplitPersonality two halves of the same coin]].

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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Franchise/DragonBall, Korin gives Goku a bell around his neck so that that he can ring it when he reaches the abode of God. Yajirobe scoffs at this, saying God isn't real, despite having fought along with Goku several demons and cowering at the prospect of challenging Demon King Piccolo. Ironically, God and Piccolo turn out to be [[LiteralSplitPersonality two halves of the same coin]].



** Possibly reasonable- Bruce's Rogues Gallery are more-or-less bog-standard humans. Bruce can't easily counter reality-warping powers (and the combination of reality warping powers with, for example, Joker's insanity) so he leaves such things in the hands of people more capable of handling such things.



* In a Pre-Crisis ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' story, the titular heroine declares magic to be "superstitious nonsense", despite dealing with magical creatures on a daily basis, and magic being one of the few things that can hurt her.



* After the 2011 [[ComicBook/New52 DC Universe Reboot]], Creator/DanDiDio was quoted as saying that one of the reasons it was decided that Barbara Gordon should able to regain her mobility (after spending two decades since being shot by ComicBook/TheJoker in a wheelchair as the information-brokering Oracle) was that it required "too much suspension of disbelief" for her to remain wheelchair-bound in a universe where all sorts of magical cures were available. Critics immediately brought up the suspension of disbelief required in all aspects of superhero comics (e.g. Clark Kent's glasses are able to fool people, the concept of JokerImmunity, the mechanics of the {{muiltiverse}} etc.), that saying that ''this'' is where readers would draw the line of incredulity seems suspect at best. Especially egregious since the in-universe explanation had been (for years) that Barbara refused to accept special medical treatment from any of her super-powered allies out of respect for all those other injured and crippled people who had to live with their disability without hope of a magical cure.
* ''ComicBook/DoctorSolar: Man of the Atom'' (the Jim Shooter reboot): Having willed himself back into existence as a godlike being following his death in an experiment that was sabotaged, Dr Phil Solar discovers that one of the anomalies caused by his rebirth has given a bad sci-fi writer named Pickerel the ability to spontaneously create life. After turning himself into electrical impulses and telephoning himself into his SecretKeeper's house:

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* After the 2011 [[ComicBook/New52 DC Universe Reboot]], Creator/DanDiDio was quoted as saying that one of the reasons it was decided that Barbara Gordon -Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}- should able to regain her mobility (after spending two decades since being shot by ComicBook/TheJoker in a wheelchair as the information-brokering Oracle) was that it required "too much suspension of disbelief" for her to remain wheelchair-bound in a universe where all sorts of magical cures were available. Critics immediately brought up the suspension of disbelief required in all aspects of superhero comics (e.g. Clark Kent's glasses are able to fool people, the concept of JokerImmunity, the mechanics of the {{muiltiverse}} etc.), that saying that ''this'' is where readers would draw the line of incredulity seems suspect at best. Especially egregious since the in-universe explanation had been (for years) that Barbara refused to accept special medical treatment from any of her super-powered allies out of respect for all those other injured and crippled people who had to live with their disability without hope of a magical cure.
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* ''ComicBook/DoctorSolar: Man of the Atom'' (the Jim Shooter Creator/JimShooter reboot): Having willed himself back into existence as a godlike being following his death in an experiment that was sabotaged, Dr Phil Solar discovers that one of the anomalies caused by his rebirth has given a bad sci-fi writer named Pickerel the ability to spontaneously create life. After turning himself into electrical impulses and telephoning himself into his SecretKeeper's house:
1st May '17 6:52:54 AM OlmoJV
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* In ''The Stronger Evil'' (the sequel of the ''WesternAnimation/JackieChanAdventures'' fic ''Fanfic/TheUltimateEvil''), [[HunterOfMonsters Nataline Homato]] shared Uncle's belief that Oni weren't real until Tarakudo's entrance. Valerie Payne notes the irony of a demon hunter raised by a Japanese family with history of hunting demons not believing in Japanese demons. Nat defends herself by saying that there haven't been reports of any Oni for a thousand years.
** Valerie herself didn't take seriously Uncle's words of a comet shower signaling an awakening of dark chi, despite being magically bound to Shendu through a binding that happened in a rewritten reality. Later she berates herself for this.
26th Apr '17 8:32:59 PM Fireblood
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* In a somewhat {{fridge logic}}al example, Han Solo from ''Franchise/StarWars''. At the start of ''Film/ANewHope'' he doesn't believe in TheForce, despite the fact that the Jedi were a major power in the galaxy up until about 19 years ago.
-->'''Han:''' It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
** To be fair, even before the fall the Jedi were such a negligible percent of the entire population that most inhabitants of the galaxy had never seen one. Not to mention that if since they were wiped out about 19 years ago, they can't have been that great anyway. Of course, because the galaxy loves irony, Han ends up married to a Jedi, with a Jedi brother-in-law, and three Jedi children.
** And, at least in the Expanded Universe, Han pretty quickly changed his mind as he saw what his brother-in-law, wife, and kids were able to do.
** And now, thirty years later in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', Han is a full believer, reassuring Rey and Finn that the Force and the Jedi exist.
-->'''Han:''' It's true - all of it. The Dark Side... the Jedi... they're real.
** In another example from ''A New Hope'', there's Admiral Motti, who calls out [[MagicKnight Darth]] [[TheDragon Vader's]] "sad devotion" to the Force... until Vader starts choking him with his mind
25th Apr '17 6:43:12 PM nombretomado
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12th Apr '17 6:51:28 AM Nulono
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* While pinning down an in-universe chronology in ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'' is perhaps an exercise in futility, but as far as this trope goes, it really doesn't matter: in the first two volumes, they've seen ''bona fide'' aliens, magic lamps, ghosts, mummies who can walk and talk, fortune tellers, leprechauns, banshees, and a weather-predicting tail, and been under the influence of mind-control juice. Yet every time (including some others in which they turn out to be right, and it's all a trick), it seems like someone (or almost everyone) doesn't believe the thing in question exists, and is only willing to check it out when forced to. As a general rule, if only Chip is skeptical, then the ghost/psychic/whatever is for real. If Gadget is skeptical, then it is bound to be a trick. If Dale is skeptical, he'll be proven wrong one second later. And if Monterey Jack is skeptical, well, actually he's never skeptical, so never mind.

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* While pinning Pinning down an in-universe chronology in ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'' is perhaps an exercise in futility, but as far as this trope goes, it really doesn't matter: in the first two volumes, they've seen ''bona fide'' aliens, magic lamps, ghosts, mummies who can walk and talk, fortune tellers, leprechauns, banshees, and a weather-predicting tail, and been under the influence of mind-control juice. Yet every time (including some others in which they turn out to be right, and it's all a trick), it seems like someone (or almost everyone) doesn't believe the thing in question exists, and is only willing to check it out when forced to. As a general rule, if only Chip is skeptical, then the ghost/psychic/whatever is for real. If Gadget is skeptical, then it is bound to be a trick. If Dale is skeptical, he'll be proven wrong one second later. And if Monterey Jack is skeptical, well, actually he's never skeptical, so never mind.
8th Apr '17 2:50:35 PM ultimomant
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** Even ComicBook/LukeCage, a man with [[NighInvulnerability unbreakable skin]], initially scoffs at the idea that a [[MindControl mind-controller]] could be real. However, it's [[JustifiedTrope pointed out]] that while super-strength, aliens, and shooting lightning are all physical, very tangible and easily-observed events, mind-control can't really be seen, and the only way to really know its effects are to experience being controlled yourself.



* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'':
** Malcolm claims that Kilgrave's powers aren't magic, which he knows the same way he knows elves aren't real. But while he happens to be correct, in the Marvel universe magic and elves are both in fact quite real - actually Greenwich was [[Film/ThorTheDarkWorld attacked by elves]] just a few years ago.
** Despite the many superhuman events that have occurred in just New York City alone, a major element of the show is the struggle to convince people that Kilgrave's powers even exist in the first place. Even ComicBook/LukeCage, a man with [[NighInvulnerability unbreakable skin]], initially scoffs at the idea that a [[MindControl mind-controller]] could be real. However, it's [[JustifiedTrope pointed out]] that while super-strength, aliens, and shooting lightning are all physical, very tangible and easily-observed events, mind-control can't really be seen, and the only way to really know its effects are to experience being controlled yourself.



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