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8th Aug '17 9:15:46 PM dmcreif
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*** Matt Murdock himself is a very good lawyer. But to go after criminals like Wilson Fisk, he often combines his lawyer work with his nighttime activities as the Devil of Hell's Kitchen.
7th Aug '17 9:40:22 PM wingedcatgirl
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* ''Film/EyeForAnEye'' (1996) had an interesting case. A man breaks into a house to rape and kill a teenager. The only evidence is a small amount of blood - enough for the prosecution to identify him with their own tests, but not enough for the defense to run tests of their own. He gets OffOnATechnicality, leading to the main plot - [[spoiler:the girl's mother suckering the killer into targeting her so she can kill him in self-defense.]] The part that gets you wondering why we don't kill every lawyer on Earth? The defense was invited to have their own experts participate in testing the blood - they declined. ''Then'', they sprung the technicality. They ''purposefully'' refused to participate in the investigation so their killer rapist (who already had a record of stalking) could go free.
** Also a case of artistic license. This kind of thing is covered by so called notice and demand laws. The prosecution NOTIFIED the defense that they were doing this and gave them the opportunity to be present. By refusing the defense WAIVED the objection at trial. Guy would likely have been convicted and his lawyers sued MASSIVELY for malpractice.

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* ''Film/EyeForAnEye'' (1996) had an interesting case. A man breaks into a house to rape and kill a teenager. The only evidence is a small amount of blood - enough for the prosecution to identify him with their own tests, but not enough for the defense to run tests of their own. He gets OffOnATechnicality, leading to the main plot - [[spoiler:the girl's mother suckering the killer into targeting her so she can kill him in self-defense.]] The part that gets you wondering why we don't kill every lawyer on Earth? The defense was invited to have their own experts participate in testing the blood - they declined. ''Then'', they sprung the technicality. They ''purposefully'' refused to participate in the investigation so their killer rapist (who already had a record of stalking) could go free.
** Also a case of artistic license. This kind of thing
free. [[ArtisticLicenseLaw Which is covered by so called notice and demand laws. The prosecution NOTIFIED the defense exactly why it doesn't work that they were doing this and gave them the opportunity to be present. By refusing the defense WAIVED the objection at trial. Guy would likely have been convicted and his lawyers sued MASSIVELY for malpractice.way in reality.]]
31st Jul '17 11:40:10 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnoxJuVx11k Subverted in this commercial]]. the Devil tries to issue a cease and desist to Heaven over their Halo Top Ice Cream, but the trio of damned lawyers he brings can't stop eating the product.
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22nd Jul '17 11:46:27 AM Drake1703
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* Fanfic/SyntheticBottledSunlight follows an emotionally exhausted Princess Celestia attempting to outwit a litany of corrupt lawyers and bureaucrats after [[spoiler: she is found unfit to rule.]]

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* Fanfic/SyntheticBottledSunlight [[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/303160/synthetic-bottled-sunlight Synthetic Bottled Sunlight]] follows an emotionally exhausted Princess Celestia attempting to outwit a litany of corrupt lawyers and bureaucrats after [[spoiler: she is found unfit to rule.]]
8th Jul '17 1:06:32 PM infernape612
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** While Winston Payne didn't venture over here, his brother, Gaspen Payne, introduced in ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'', is pretty much TheBully as a prosecutor, and takes pride in it, calling himself the "Rookie/Defendant Humiliator". At one point, he takes the time to badger the defendant into admitting her guilt, causing the Judge to sustain Athena's objection when his badgering drives her to tears. The post-credits scene also reveals that he actually is more than willing to use questionable methods, leading to [[spoiler:him getting looked into by Chief Prosecutor Edgeworth]]. He returns in ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]'', where he turns out to have fled to a country that has outlawed defence attorneys simply so he can never loose. When Phoenix Wright decides to go up against him, Gaspen allows it but does not tell him about the Defence Culpability Act and how he will be executed under it if he fails. He even wanted that to happen as revenge for his loss in ''Dual Destinies''.

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** While Winston Payne didn't venture over here, his brother, Gaspen Payne, introduced in ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'', is pretty much TheBully as a prosecutor, and takes pride in it, calling himself the "Rookie/Defendant Humiliator". At one point, he takes the time to badger the defendant into admitting her guilt, causing the Judge to sustain Athena's objection when his badgering drives her to tears. The post-credits scene also reveals that he actually is more than willing to use questionable methods, leading to [[spoiler:him getting looked into by Chief Prosecutor Edgeworth]]. He returns in ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]'', where he turns out to have fled to a country that has outlawed defence attorneys simply so he can never loose.lose. When Phoenix Wright decides to go up against him, Gaspen allows it but does not tell him about the Defence Culpability Act and how he will be executed under it if he fails. He even wanted that calls for giving the death penalty to happen ''a nine-year old child'' to get Phoenix killed along with him as revenge for his loss in ''Dual Destinies''.



** Phoenix Wright himself [[AvertedTrope averts this most of the time]], but if he's your lawyer, he will believe in your innocence and defend you to the bitter end ''whether you want him to or not''. He has defended multiple clients who wanted to plead guilty (Lana Skye, Ron [=DeLite=], etc.) This is mostly because of his undying belief that his clients aren't guilty of their accusations, though. Thus, his acquaintances are more likely to call him the "Illogical Attorney", rather than amoral. The only time we catch a slight wind of this is in case 6-5 "Turnabout Revolution", when he ''sues Apollo's client'' and supports his case with [[BlatantLies obviously falsified testimony]], especially since the plaintiff is a JerkAss SleazyPolitician. However, at the end of the trial, [[spoiler:we learn that he only accepted the request because Maya was kidnapped for ransom [[DesignatedVictim ''again'']]]].\\

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** Phoenix Wright himself [[AvertedTrope averts this most of the time]], but if he's your lawyer, he will believe in your innocence and defend you to the bitter end ''whether you want him to or not''. He has defended multiple clients who wanted to plead guilty (Lana Skye, Ron [=DeLite=], etc.) This is mostly because of his undying belief that his clients aren't guilty of their accusations, though. Thus, his acquaintances are more likely to call him the "Illogical Attorney", rather than amoral. The only time we catch a slight wind of this is in case 6-5 "Turnabout Revolution", when he ''sues Apollo's client'' and supports his case with [[BlatantLies obviously falsified testimony]], especially since the plaintiff is a JerkAss SleazyPolitician. However, at the end of the trial, [[spoiler:we learn that he only accepted the request because Maya was kidnapped for ransom [[DesignatedVictim ''again'']]]].''[[DesignatedVictim again]]'']].\\



** [[spoiler:Queen Ga'ran]] uses her power as [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen monarch]] to create the Defence Culpability Act, which means that defence attorneys are given the same sentence as their clients, essentially committing genocide upon lawyers. Then when she does prosecute in the final case, she goes all out. She [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem rewrites the law on the spot]] at points, gives out penalties instead of the judge, whom she outright calls a figurehead, and even attempts to hand down a premature guilty verdict. She interrupts the trial by having her own sister shot on the stand, in order to buy some time. At the very end, when exposed as the true murderer, she even makes a law that lets her execute everyone against her on the spot. She's only stopped when it's proven that she is in fact, TheUsurper, and all her laws are then rendered invalid.]]

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** [[spoiler:Queen Ga'ran]] uses her power as [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen monarch]] to create the Defence Culpability Act, which means that defence attorneys are given the same sentence as their clients, essentially committing genocide upon lawyers. Then when she does prosecute in the final case, she goes all out. She [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem rewrites the law on the spot]] at points, gives out penalties instead of the judge, whom she outright calls a figurehead, and even attempts to hand down a premature guilty verdict. She interrupts the trial by having [[spoiler:having her own sister shot on the stand, in order to buy some time. At the very end, when exposed as the true murderer, she even makes a law that lets her execute everyone against her on the spot. She's only stopped when it's proven that she is in fact, TheUsurper, and all her laws are then rendered invalid.]]
7th Jul '17 4:39:35 PM dmcreif
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** [[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss Jeri Hogarth]], at first. She starts off in season 1 of ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' as the kind of lawyer who manipulates juries into thinking “beyond a reasonable doubt” means you need thirty witnesses or a video of the defendant doing it. She is willing to hire a clearly unstable Jessica Jones as a PI (even wants to bring her in-house), and even is willing to try using [[MindRape Kilgrave]] to get her ex-spouse Wendy to agree to lesser assets in their divorce. This backfires ''hard'' on Jeri, as Wendy gets killed and her secretary/mistress Pam gets thrown in jail. The whole ordeal with Kilgrave leads Jeri to clean up her act, and when she turns up in ''Series/IronFist2017'', she's greatly cleaned up her act and turns out to have also tended to the Rand estate after Danny's parents were killed.

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** [[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss Jeri Hogarth]], at first. She starts off in season 1 of ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' as the kind of lawyer who manipulates juries into thinking “beyond a reasonable doubt” means you need thirty witnesses or a video of the defendant doing it. She is willing to hire a clearly unstable Jessica Jones as a PI for private investigation work (even wants to bring her in-house), and even is willing to try using [[MindRape Kilgrave]] to get her ex-spouse Wendy to agree to lesser assets in their divorce. This backfires ''hard'' on Jeri, as Wendy gets killed and her secretary/mistress Pam gets thrown in jail. The whole ordeal with Kilgrave leads Jeri to clean up her act, and when she turns up in ''Series/IronFist2017'', she's greatly cleaned up her act a much nicer person, who helps Danny Rand reclaim his identity and turns out to have also tended to the Rand estate after Danny's parents were killed.
15th Jun '17 12:08:13 PM Gosicrystal
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** The fan-made case ''VisualNovel/TheEmptyTurnabout'' has [[spoiler:Athena Cykes]]. She killed a person but got away with an acquittal, and is pretty famous as a defense attorney. She also wants to take a case solely to gain more fame.
17th May '17 7:35:48 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Bruce Tharpe, the National Wrestling Alliance owner following the ''seven degrees of hate'' feud between Adam Pearce and Wrestling/ColtCabana, was basically described as such [[EnemyMine by both men]], who found his takeover and stripping voting privileges away from the NWA members a farce. He's pretty much proven such to former NWA member Wrestling/{{New Japan| ProWrestling}} in his efforts to get advantages for Wrestling/RobConway, The Killer Elite Squad and Jax Dane.
* Despite being an attorney Veda Scott didn't come out of the Wrestling/{{ROH}}\Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}} Academy this way, initially living up to the good sportsmanship standards of both promotions. Eventually her cowardly nature got the best of her, though, and she began to familiarize herself with all loopholes, legal or otherwise, to make her pro wrestling career easier.[[/folder]]

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* Bruce Tharpe, the National Wrestling Alliance owner following the ''seven degrees of hate'' feud between Adam Pearce and Wrestling/ColtCabana, was basically described as such [[EnemyMine by both men]], who found his takeover and stripping voting privileges away from the NWA members a farce. He's pretty much proven such to former NWA member Wrestling/{{New Japan| ProWrestling}} Japan|ProWrestling}} in his efforts to get advantages for Wrestling/RobConway, The Killer Elite Squad and Jax Dane.
* Despite being an attorney Veda Scott didn't come out of the Wrestling/{{ROH}}\Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}} Academy this way, initially living up to the good sportsmanship standards of both promotions. Eventually her cowardly nature got the best of her, though, and she began to familiarize herself with all loopholes, legal or otherwise, to make her pro wrestling career easier.easier.
* David Otunga, another attorney who didn't start out this way, although unlike Scott he was always immoral, he just didn't use his legal background to his advantage until pressed to do so by [[Wrestling/JohnLaurinaitis Johnny Ace]], who found Otunga more useful as a lawyer than an admittedly [[UnskilledButStrong one dimensional]] wrestler.
* Sophia Lopez initially seemed like a moral attorney when she campaigned to get the sentences of fan favorite group Caged Heat overturned during Women Of Wrestling's {{reviv|al}}ed third season but [[TheSvengali Lopez turned out to be using them]] as [[UnwittingPawn pawns]] in an increasingly complicated plot to destroy independent circuit wrestler Santana Garrett, who her true client, RichBitch Lana Star, felt [[GreenEyedMonster threatened]] by.
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27th Apr '17 1:54:38 PM dmcreif
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** ''Series/JessicaJones2015'': [[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss Jeri Hogarth]] is the kind of lawyer who manipulates juries into thinking “beyond a reasonable doubt” means you need thirty witnesses or a video of the defendant doing it. She is willing to hire a clearly unstable Jessica Jones as a PI (even wants to bring her in-house), and even is willing to try using [[MindRape Kilgrave]] to get her ex-spouse Wendy to agree to lesser assets in their divorce. This backfires ''hard'' on Jeri, as Wendy gets killed and her secretary/mistress Pam gets thrown in jail. By the time of ''Series/IronFist2017'', she's greatly cleaned up her act.

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** ''Series/JessicaJones2015'': [[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss **[[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss Jeri Hogarth]] is Hogarth]], at first. She starts off in season 1 of ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' as the kind of lawyer who manipulates juries into thinking “beyond a reasonable doubt” means you need thirty witnesses or a video of the defendant doing it. She is willing to hire a clearly unstable Jessica Jones as a PI (even wants to bring her in-house), and even is willing to try using [[MindRape Kilgrave]] to get her ex-spouse Wendy to agree to lesser assets in their divorce. This backfires ''hard'' on Jeri, as Wendy gets killed and her secretary/mistress Pam gets thrown in jail. By the time of The whole ordeal with Kilgrave leads Jeri to clean up her act, and when she turns up in ''Series/IronFist2017'', she's greatly cleaned up her act.act and turns out to have also tended to the Rand estate after Danny's parents were killed.
25th Apr '17 6:43:00 PM nombretomado
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