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8th Dec '16 7:30:08 PM dmcreif
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** The ruthless and cold-blooded mob boss Arnold Rothstein has one advising him, and who is very impressed by his client's ability to commit perjury with eloquence and with a straight face - so much so that he jokingly tells him that he should consider law school. Rothstein replies by commenting that he'd prefer to make an honest living.
** George Remus is an attorney so amoral that he has decided to cast off the attorney job altogether and become a bootlegger instead - while using his knowledge of law to find the [[LoopholeAbuse correct loopholes]], of course.

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** The ruthless and cold-blooded mob boss Arnold Rothstein has one advising him, and Bill Fallon, who tries to cultivate this image but comes off more like a gangster with a law license rather than a cynical practitioner. Fallon is very impressed by his client's ability to commit perjury with eloquence and with a straight face - so much so that he jokingly tells him that he should consider law school. Rothstein replies by commenting [[EvilLawyerJoke that he'd prefer to make an honest living.
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** George Remus is an attorney so amoral that he [[ThirdPersonPerson Remus]] has decided to cast off the attorney job altogether and become a bootlegger instead - while using his Remus' knowledge of law to find the [[LoopholeAbuse correct loopholes]], loopholes]] in the Volstead Act, of course.
27th Nov '16 5:43:27 AM Hanz
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** In the [[VideoGame/Hitman2016 newer game]] there's Ken Morgan, who will sink to any means necessary to win his cases including bribing officials and blackmailing witnesses. He even self-describes himself as a fixer first, attorney second. Like the above target, he is being targeted along with his client's son for tampering in the investigation over a murder the son committed.

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** In the [[VideoGame/Hitman2016 newer game]] there's Ken Morgan, who will sink to any means necessary to win his cases including bribing officials and blackmailing witnesses. He even self-describes himself as a fixer first, attorney second. Like the above target, he is being targeted along with his client's son for tampering in the investigation over a murder the son committed. There's also Yuki Yamazaki, a former Yakuza lawyer who has become an agent for [[NebulousEvilOrganization Providence]].
12th Oct '16 5:05:51 PM WillyFourEyes
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* Igland of the Swift Sword in ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights'' [[YouFailLogicForever is willing to fail logic forever]] in order to secure a conviction, doesn't care if there are mitigating factors, and begins screaming about bribery should you succeed. Your character is permitted to ''commit out-and-out bribery and corruption'' in order to get him off. After you finish the trial, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption relationships between the victim's culture and the defendant's tribe get worse no matter what happened]].

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* Igland of the Swift Sword in ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights'' [[YouFailLogicForever is willing to fail logic forever]] apply InsaneTrollLogic in order to secure a conviction, doesn't care if there are mitigating factors, and begins screaming about bribery should you succeed. Your character is permitted to ''commit out-and-out bribery and corruption'' in order to get him off. After you finish the trial, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption relationships between the victim's culture and the defendant's tribe get worse no matter what happened]].
11th Oct '16 6:57:09 AM NorrisTheSpider
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* Fanfic/SyntheticBottledSunlight follows an emotionally exhausted Princess Celestia attempting to outwit a litany of corrupt lawyers and bureaucrats after [[spoiler: she is found unfit to rule.]]
7th Oct '16 5:56:12 PM GigaHand
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** Then in [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]], we get [[spoiler:[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ga'ran]], who uses her power as monarch to create the Defence Culpability Act, which means that defence attorneys are given the same sentence as their clients, essentially committing genocide upon lawyers. Then when she does prosecute in the final case, she goes all out. She [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem rewrites the law on the spot]] at points, gives out penalties instead of the judge, whom she outright calls a figurehead, and even attempts to hand down a premature guilty verdict. She interrupts the trial by having her own sister shot on the stand, in order to buy some time. At the very end, when exposed as the true murderer, she even makes a law that lets her execute everyone against her on the spot. She's only stopped when it's proven that she is in fact, TheUsurper, and all her laws are then rendered invalid.]]

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** Then in In [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]], we the population of Khura'in doesn't contain any real amoral attorneys... or any defence attorneys at all for that matter. It's completely ingrained into their culture to believe that any lawyer is inherently evil and will pull any underhanded trick to get their way.
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get [[spoiler:[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ga'ran]], who uses her power as monarch to create the Defence Culpability Act, which means that defence attorneys are given the same sentence as their clients, essentially committing genocide upon lawyers. Then when she does prosecute in the final case, she goes all out. She [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem rewrites the law on the spot]] at points, gives out penalties instead of the judge, whom she outright calls a figurehead, and even attempts to hand down a premature guilty verdict. She interrupts the trial by having her own sister shot on the stand, in order to buy some time. At the very end, when exposed as the true murderer, she even makes a law that lets her execute everyone against her on the spot. She's only stopped when it's proven that she is in fact, TheUsurper, and all her laws are then rendered invalid.]]
1st Oct '16 2:58:48 PM StarSword
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* ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}'' has the "silver-tongued prince of the court room", Billy Flynn.

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* ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}'' has the "silver-tongued prince of the court room", Billy Flynn.Flynn, who takes only high-profile, scandal-ridden cases for the fame and fortune, and is not above CourtroomAntics and using and abusing the court of public opinion via reporters (including having the Chicago-born Rosie blatantly lie that she's a simple Southern girl out of her depth in big-city life).
-->'''Flynn:''' Objection!\\
'''Judge:''' Sustained.\\
'''Prosecutor:''' Your Honor, I haven't even asked a question yet!
1st Oct '16 1:54:23 PM StarSword
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* In ''Literature/AlexisCarew: Mutineer'', Alexis is nearly thrown under the bus by her own JAG on a hanging charge because he's more interested in making sure the Navy comes out looking good than in actually defending her. [[spoiler:Luckily HMS ''Hermione'''s log is provided by a Hanoverese ship that flies in under flag of truce, and she is acquitted after her civilian co-counsel plays it for the court over the JAG's objections.]]
29th Sep '16 11:06:47 PM PaulA
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* In the Creator/MichaelConnelly novel (later a film) ''Literature/TheLincolnLawyer'', this is happily subverted with the protagonist. While Mickey seems to have some element of this characterization early on in that he is willingly representing guilty people [[spoiler: when he realizes that his current client is truly evil, he does everything within his power to see him arrested. He also is horrified that a man who he convinced to plead guilty is in fact innocent.]] This is also interestingly subverted in that at the end of the novel, the Bar association is going after him for some of the actions he took during the course of the story (he ends up disbarred for several months).

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* In the Creator/MichaelConnelly novel (later a film) ''Literature/TheLincolnLawyer'', this is happily subverted with the protagonist.protagonist, Literature/MickeyHaller. While Mickey seems to have some element of this characterization early on in that he is willingly representing guilty people [[spoiler: when he realizes that his current client is truly evil, he does everything within his power to see him arrested. He also is horrified that a man who he convinced to plead guilty is in fact innocent.]] This is also interestingly subverted in that at the end of the novel, the Bar association is going after him for some of the actions he took during the course of the story (he ends up disbarred for several months).
25th Sep '16 8:12:04 PM Kalaong
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* ''Series/{{Bones}}'' has the usual examples as prosecutors, as you'd expect of a ForensicDrama. The notable example isn't a direct one, as Bones isn't an attorney, but the exact same UnfortunateImplications of the trope are explored in episode 1x08 ''The Girl in the Fridge''; Bones and an OldFlame turned {{Rival}} are opposing experts in a murder trial. Bones clinically delivers her conclusions, her ex makes somewhat less professional conclusions while chatting up the jury - and implies that Bones isn't really as smart as she sounds. In between sessions, her ex states that he's merely "playing the game" - he's supposed to argue that the evidence supports the defendant, just as she's for the prosecution. In-universe, Bones' consultant argues for impartiality and sweet-talking the jury, but sees nothing wrong with her ex using inside knowledge(which he got by ''sleeping'' with her) to attack her character instead of the evidence(the prosecution objects and the judge sustains[[note]][[http://remediallawnotes.blogspot.com/2014/07/character-of-witnesses.html Character of Witnesses]]; "Personal opinions on the moral character of a witness, being usually too general, sweeping or subjective, are excluded." Bones' ex isn't saying that she's reading the evidence wrong, he's saying she's a lousy scientist. Such a broad accusation is ''absolutely wrong'' in a courtroom where she is not the defendant.[[/note]], but Brennan's consultant waves it off as a technicality; "He looks like a regular guy who's not allowed to speak the truth because the stupid rules get in the way."). This leads into the same Unfortunate Implications as Amoral Attorneys - that ''scientists'' aren't supposed to be impartial, but to have agreed in advance as to who is guilty no matter which side they're on.

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* ''Series/{{Bones}}'' has the usual examples as prosecutors, as you'd expect of a ForensicDrama. The notable example isn't a direct one, as Bones isn't an attorney, but the exact same UnfortunateImplications of the trope are explored in episode 1x08 ''The Girl in the Fridge''; Bones and an OldFlame turned {{Rival}} are opposing experts in a murder trial. Bones clinically delivers her conclusions, her ex makes somewhat less professional conclusions while chatting up the jury - and implies that Bones isn't really as smart as she sounds. In between sessions, her ex states that he's merely "playing the game" - he's supposed to argue that the evidence supports the defendant, just as she's for the prosecution. In-universe, Bones' consultant argues for impartiality and sweet-talking the jury, but sees nothing wrong with her ex using inside knowledge(which he got by ''sleeping'' with her) to attack her character instead of the evidence(the prosecution objects and the judge sustains[[note]][[http://remediallawnotes.blogspot.com/2014/07/character-of-witnesses.html Character of Witnesses]]; "Personal opinions on the moral character of a witness, being usually too general, sweeping or subjective, are excluded." Bones' ex isn't saying that she's reading the evidence wrong, he's saying she's a lousy scientist. Such a broad accusation is ''absolutely wrong'' illegal'' in a courtroom where she is not the defendant.[[/note]], but Brennan's consultant waves it off as a technicality; "He looks like a regular guy who's not allowed to speak the truth because the stupid rules get in the way."). This leads into the same Unfortunate Implications as Amoral Attorneys - that ''scientists'' aren't supposed to be impartial, but to have agreed in advance as to who is guilty no matter which side they're on.
17th Sep '16 10:41:57 PM Trialman
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** Then in [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]], we get [[spoiler:[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Ga'ran]], who uses her power as monarch to create the Defence Culpability Act, which means that defence attorneys are given the same sentence as their clients, essentially committing genocide upon lawyers. Then when she does prosecute in the final case, she goes all out. She [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem rewrites the law on the spot]] at points, gives out penalties instead of the judge, whom she outright calls a figurehead, and even attempts to hand down a premature guilty verdict. She interrupts the trial by having her own sister shot on the stand, in order to buy some time. At the very end, when exposed as the true murderer, she even makes a law that lets her execute everyone against her on the spot. She's only stopped when it's proven that she is in fact, TheUsurper, and all her laws are then rendered invalid.]]
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