History Main / AmoralAttorney

17th May '17 7:35:48 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Bruce Tharpe, the National Wrestling Alliance owner following the ''seven degrees of hate'' feud between Adam Pearce and Wrestling/ColtCabana, was basically described as such [[EnemyMine by both men]], who found his takeover and stripping voting privileges away from the NWA members a farce. He's pretty much proven such to former NWA member Wrestling/{{New Japan| ProWrestling}} in his efforts to get advantages for Wrestling/RobConway, The Killer Elite Squad and Jax Dane.
* Despite being an attorney Veda Scott didn't come out of the Wrestling/{{ROH}}\Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}} Academy this way, initially living up to the good sportsmanship standards of both promotions. Eventually her cowardly nature got the best of her, though, and she began to familiarize herself with all loopholes, legal or otherwise, to make her pro wrestling career easier.[[/folder]]

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* Bruce Tharpe, the National Wrestling Alliance owner following the ''seven degrees of hate'' feud between Adam Pearce and Wrestling/ColtCabana, was basically described as such [[EnemyMine by both men]], who found his takeover and stripping voting privileges away from the NWA members a farce. He's pretty much proven such to former NWA member Wrestling/{{New Japan| ProWrestling}} Japan|ProWrestling}} in his efforts to get advantages for Wrestling/RobConway, The Killer Elite Squad and Jax Dane.
* Despite being an attorney Veda Scott didn't come out of the Wrestling/{{ROH}}\Wrestling/{{SHIMMER}} Academy this way, initially living up to the good sportsmanship standards of both promotions. Eventually her cowardly nature got the best of her, though, and she began to familiarize herself with all loopholes, legal or otherwise, to make her pro wrestling career easier.easier.
* David Otunga, another attorney who didn't start out this way, although unlike Scott he was always immoral, he just didn't use his legal background to his advantage until pressed to do so by [[Wrestling/JohnLaurinaitis Johnny Ace]], who found Otunga more useful as a lawyer than an admittedly [[UnskilledButStrong one dimensional]] wrestler.
* Sophia Lopez initially seemed like a moral attorney when she campaigned to get the sentences of fan favorite group Caged Heat overturned during Women Of Wrestling's {{reviv|al}}ed third season but [[TheSvengali Lopez turned out to be using them]] as [[UnwittingPawn pawns]] in an increasingly complicated plot to destroy independent circuit wrestler Santana Garrett, who her true client, RichBitch Lana Star, felt [[GreenEyedMonster threatened]] by.
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27th Apr '17 1:54:38 PM dmcreif
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** ''Series/JessicaJones2015'': [[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss Jeri Hogarth]] is the kind of lawyer who manipulates juries into thinking “beyond a reasonable doubt” means you need thirty witnesses or a video of the defendant doing it. She is willing to hire a clearly unstable Jessica Jones as a PI (even wants to bring her in-house), and even is willing to try using [[MindRape Kilgrave]] to get her ex-spouse Wendy to agree to lesser assets in their divorce. This backfires ''hard'' on Jeri, as Wendy gets killed and her secretary/mistress Pam gets thrown in jail. By the time of ''Series/IronFist2017'', she's greatly cleaned up her act.

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** ''Series/JessicaJones2015'': [[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss **[[Creator/CarrieAnneMoss Jeri Hogarth]] is Hogarth]], at first. She starts off in season 1 of ''Series/JessicaJones2015'' as the kind of lawyer who manipulates juries into thinking “beyond a reasonable doubt” means you need thirty witnesses or a video of the defendant doing it. She is willing to hire a clearly unstable Jessica Jones as a PI (even wants to bring her in-house), and even is willing to try using [[MindRape Kilgrave]] to get her ex-spouse Wendy to agree to lesser assets in their divorce. This backfires ''hard'' on Jeri, as Wendy gets killed and her secretary/mistress Pam gets thrown in jail. By the time of The whole ordeal with Kilgrave leads Jeri to clean up her act, and when she turns up in ''Series/IronFist2017'', she's greatly cleaned up her act.act and turns out to have also tended to the Rand estate after Danny's parents were killed.
25th Apr '17 6:43:00 PM nombretomado
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22nd Apr '17 12:55:53 PM Zowayix
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-->-- '''F. Lee Bailey'''

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-->-- '''F. Lee Bailey'''
Bailey''', a RealLife criminal defense attorney (notably disbarred in multiple states for misconduct)
17th Apr '17 9:08:00 PM Valiona
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** A less sympathetic example is Sae's boss, who's implied to have done some illegal things to get ahead, [[spoiler:even before joining a criminal conspiracy to exploit the MentalWorld in order to make Masayoshi Shidou Prime Minister, and covering up the conspiracy's crimes. He ultimately plans on having the protagonist arrested and killed while in police custody.]]



** Miles Edgeworth: Perfection-obsessed, but undergoes a lot of CharacterDevelopment and gets a HeelFaceTurn by the end of the game, is nice to Phoenix outside of court for the rest of the series. Even after this HeelFaceTurn, he does what he needs to to bring out the truth, and can get really cold when doing this. Two shining examples are when he brought up a sensitive issue to get a tight-lipped witness to testify (when we say "sensitive issue", we mean that the witness attempted suicide because of it before) and when he suggested that the defendant, who was eleven years old at the time, after committing the crime, tried to use a machine to brutally dismember the body. [[spoiler: Aside from the fact that said girl didn't murder anyone, he was actually ''completely right''.]]

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** Miles Edgeworth: Perfection-obsessed, but undergoes a lot of CharacterDevelopment and gets a HeelFaceTurn by the end of the game, is nice to Phoenix outside of court for the rest of the series. Even after this HeelFaceTurn, he does what he needs to to bring out the truth, and can get really cold when doing this. Two shining examples are when he brought up a sensitive issue to get a tight-lipped witness to testify (when we say "sensitive issue", we mean that the witness attempted suicide because of it before) and when he suggested that the defendant, who was eleven years old at the time, after committing the crime, tried to use a machine to brutally dismember the body. [[spoiler: Aside from the fact that said girl didn't murder anyone, he was actually ''completely right''.right''- the girl thought her mother was no different than the robots, and that the machine could fix her.]]



** The murderer of a defense attorney in the fourth case of ''Ace Attorney'' committed the crime because [[spoiler:the defense lawyer in question was an Amoral Attorney that convinced him to plead Insanity in court even though he was truly innocent. He lost everything that mattered to him as a result of this]].

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** The murderer of a defense attorney in the fourth case of ''Ace Attorney'' committed the crime because [[spoiler:the defense lawyer in question question, Robert Hammond, was an Amoral Attorney that convinced him to plead Insanity in court even though he was truly innocent. He innocent- as a former colleague points out, Hammond never truly believed in his clients. The defendant lost everything that mattered to him as a result of this]].this, and jumped at the chance for revenge]].



** Aristotle Means is an amoral attorney ''teacher'', who genuinely believes any and all methods, no matter how unethical or illegal, must be used in order to achieve a goal. To him, the end justifies the means, no matter what. Fortunately, by the time the trial he's introduced in is over, the students realize he was full of crap, and set out to fix the damage he's done. [[spoiler:The fact he murdered a fellow professor after being confronted for taking bribes certainly doesn't do him any favors.]]

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** Aristotle Means [[PunnyName Means]] is an amoral attorney ''teacher'', who genuinely believes any and all methods, no matter how unethical or illegal, must be used in order to achieve a goal. To him, the end justifies the means, no matter what. Fortunately, by the time the trial he's introduced in is over, the students realize he was full of crap, and set out to fix the damage he's done. [[spoiler:The fact he murdered a fellow professor after being confronted for taking bribes certainly doesn't do him any favors.]]
17th Apr '17 8:53:54 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''VideoGame/Persona5'' has a sympathetic example in Sae Niijima, Makoto's older sister and [[PromotedToParent legal guardian]], and the public prosecutor in charge of the Phantom Thieves case. While once far more heroic and idealistic, the pressures of raising Makoto by herself, along with the pressure from her line of work and being overshadowed by her male co-workers, have left Sae a cynical, bitter shell who no longer wishes to pursue justice and simply wants to do whatever it takes to win a case, even if she has to twist the truth and manipulate evidence to make the innocent appear guilty. [[spoiler:By the time of the Casino heist, Akechi suspects that if they don't change Sae's heart, either the Phantom Thieves will be arrested, or someone else might be set up to take the fall for their crimes. While the Thieves don't steal her heart, she does change for the better as a result of an emotional plea by Makoto toward her Shadow. It's ultimately averted in the ending, in which Sae, having TookALevelInIdealism, decides to quit her job at the Public Prosecutors Office and become an attorney, believing it's a better way to pursue justice.]]



* ''VideoGame/Persona5'' has a sympathetic example in Sae Niijima, Makoto's older sister and [[PromotedToParent legal guardian]], and the public prosecutor in charge of the Phantom Thieves case. While once far more heroic and idealistic, the pressures of raising Makoto by herself, along with the pressure from her line of work and being overshadowed by her male co-workers, have left Sae a cynical, bitter shell who no longer wishes to pursue justice and simply wants to do whatever it takes to win a case, even if she has to twist the truth and manipulate evidence to make the innocent appear guilty. [[spoiler:By the time of the Casino heist, Akechi suspects that if they don't change Sae's heart, either the Phantom Thieves will be arrested, or someone else might be set up to take the fall for their crimes. While the Thieves don't steal her heart, she does change for the better as a result of an emotional plea by Makoto toward her Shadow. It's ultimately averted in the ending, in which Sae, having TookALevelInIdealism, decides to quit her job at the Public Prosecutors Office and become an attorney, believing it's a better way to pursue justice.]]
17th Apr '17 8:51:36 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''VideoGame/Persona5'' has a sympathetic example in Sae Niijima, Makoto's older sister and [[PromotedToParent legal guardian]], and the public prosecutor in charge of the Phantom Thieves case. While once far more heroic and idealistic, the pressures of raising Makoto by herself, along with the pressure from her line of work and being overshadowed by her male co-workers, have left Sae a cynical, bitter shell who no longer wishes to pursue justice and simply wants to do whatever it takes to win a case, even if she has to twist the truth and manipulate evidence to make the innocent appear guilty. [[spoiler:By the time of the Casino heist, Akechi suspects that if they don't change Sae's heart, either the Phantom Thieves will be arrested, or someone else might be set up to take the fall for their crimes. While the Thieves don't steal her heart, she does change for the better as a result of an emotional plea by Makoto toward her Shadow. It's ultimately averted in the ending, in which Sae, having TookALevelInIdealism, decides to quit her job at the Public Prosecutors Office and become an attorney, believing it's a better way to pursue justice.]]
13th Apr '17 5:31:18 AM erforce
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* The BigBad of ''Shotgun'' is a lawyer who does not only dabble in criminal undertakings, but who also gets his jollies by donning an all-leather outfit and beating up prostitutes within inches from their life.

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* The BigBad of ''Shotgun'' ''Film/{{Shotgun}}'' is a lawyer who does not only dabble in criminal undertakings, but who also gets his jollies by donning an all-leather outfit and beating up prostitutes within inches from their life.
12th Apr '17 11:25:48 PM dmcreif
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*** [[FridgeLogic No wonder he was such a poor lawyer if he was]] [[OmnidisciplinaryLawyer trying to practice public, private, criminal, and civil law all at once.]]

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*** [[FridgeLogic [[FridgeBrilliance No wonder he was such a poor lawyer if he was]] [[OmnidisciplinaryLawyer trying to practice public, private, criminal, and civil law all at once.]]
15th Mar '17 8:30:43 PM dmcreif
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** Played straight in the ComicBook/SpiderGwen alternate universe, in which Murdock is the lawyer of ComicBook/TheKingpin.

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** Played straight in the ComicBook/SpiderGwen alternate universe, in which Murdock Matt is the a lawyer of ComicBook/TheKingpin.on [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]]'s payroll.
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