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18th Jun '16 6:45:47 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler:Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.

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* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''.''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler:Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.
8th Jun '16 9:53:12 AM Doug86
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* An odd case occurs in a ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' story arc where the Hulk is cloned. The final confrontation follows all the conventions of the AmbiguousCloneEnding: Banner and the Clone face each other alone, the fight itself isn't shown, and the scene skips to Banner returning to his friends telling them the clone is dead. It seems like we're meant to be unsure that the real Hulk won... except that the clone was heavily modified, and in Hulk form looks unmistakably different from the real Hulk. Since we see the Hulk looking perfectly normal the very next storyline, he's clearly the original... so why does the narrative go through all the plot points associated with this trope?

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* An odd case occurs in a ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' ''ComicBook/IncredibleHulk'' story arc where the Hulk is cloned. The final confrontation follows all the conventions of the AmbiguousCloneEnding: Banner and the Clone face each other alone, the fight itself isn't shown, and the scene skips to Banner returning to his friends telling them the clone is dead. It seems like we're meant to be unsure that the real Hulk won... except that the clone was heavily modified, and in Hulk form looks unmistakably different from the real Hulk. Since we see the Hulk looking perfectly normal the very next storyline, he's clearly the original... so why does the narrative go through all the plot points associated with this trope?
26th May '16 11:40:21 AM Willbyr
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* Hime from ''PrincessResurrection'' was cloned along with almost everyone else in one chapter reminiscent to the pod aliens. While everyone else had multiple clones, Hime only had one and the two of them act and think so alike that the two of them bar themselves in the dining room while everyone else fights off the army of clones. In the end, they both agree on who is the clone and who is the original with the clone making a heroic sacrifice. It isn't really clear if the "clone" really was the clone and we only have the agreement between the two on who is who.

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* Hime from ''PrincessResurrection'' ''Manga/PrincessResurrection'' was cloned along with almost everyone else in one chapter reminiscent to the pod aliens. While everyone else had multiple clones, Hime only had one and the two of them act and think so alike that the two of them bar themselves in the dining room while everyone else fights off the army of clones. In the end, they both agree on who is the clone and who is the original with the clone making a heroic sacrifice. It isn't really clear if the "clone" really was the clone and we only have the agreement between the two on who is who.
6th May '16 7:47:49 PM MCanter89
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'''Gwen Stacy Clone:''' But... how can you tell?\\
'''Spider-Man:''' Simple. I... uh... Far out.

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'''Gwen Stacy Clone:''' But... But… how can you tell?\\
'''Spider-Man:''' Simple. I... uh... I… uh… Far out.



*** Except for Slo'bo. See, at one point Lobo was de-aged to about fifteen and hanging out with ComicBook/YoungJustice, and he died... and when all the blood-clones grew up and started killing each other (while everyone else, thinking he was dead, was very far away), one of them ''ran and hid.'' After the others were done, he came out and ran back to Earth while the new Lobo was off doing whatever, but he was too ashamed to be called Lobo anymore, so he took a new name.

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*** Except for Slo'bo. See, at one point Lobo was de-aged to about fifteen and hanging out with ComicBook/YoungJustice, and he died... died… and when all the blood-clones grew up and started killing each other (while everyone else, thinking he was dead, was very far away), one of them ''ran and hid.'' After the others were done, he came out and ran back to Earth while the new Lobo was off doing whatever, but he was too ashamed to be called Lobo anymore, so he took a new name.



* In ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio'''s 46th album ''Machine qui rêve'' ("Dreaming machine"), which was supposed to be a DarkerAndEdgier reboot of the franchise, Spirou get caught in an experimental laboratory and wake up later in the street with no idea of how he got here. He is then chased by [[TheMenInBlack men in black]] before retreating back in the laboratory. Once there, he meets [[spoiler: another Spirou disguised as a [[SWATTeam GIGN soldier]] claiming to be the original, the one chased being an "android" clone. The GIGN Spirou tells the other one to leave the building, before [[SuicideAttack exploding the experimentation room with himself inside]].]] It has never been confirmed [[spoiler: which one was the real Spirou]] since the new style didn't catch with the audience and was discontinued, leaving this storyline [[LooseCanon ambiguously]] [[CanonDiscontinuity cannon]].

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* In ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio'''s 46th album ''Machine qui rêve'' ("Dreaming machine"), which was supposed to be a DarkerAndEdgier reboot of the franchise, Spirou get caught in an experimental laboratory and wake up later in the street with no idea of how he got here. He is then chased by [[TheMenInBlack men in black]] before retreating back in the laboratory. Once there, he meets [[spoiler: another [[spoiler:another Spirou disguised as a [[SWATTeam GIGN soldier]] claiming to be the original, the one chased being an "android" clone. The GIGN Spirou tells the other one to leave the building, before [[SuicideAttack exploding the experimentation room with himself inside]].]] It has never been confirmed [[spoiler: which one was the real Spirou]] since the new style didn't catch with the audience and was discontinued, leaving this storyline [[LooseCanon ambiguously]] [[CanonDiscontinuity cannon]].



* In ''Anime/ReadOrDie'' [[spoiler: when the "good" Nancy fights the "evil" Nancy it's nearly impossible to keep track of which is which during the fight. This creates an extra layer of drama when the surviving Nancy shows up and pretends to shoot the heroine so she can get close enough to the BigBad to kill him. To make the ending more complicated, the one who wins the fight elects to join the villain in death afterwards, leaving Yomiko a note that she didn't kill the other one after all.]] If you pay really close attention, [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance they have different dominant hands.]], something Yomiko picks up on in one scene since she figures out which Nancy to stand next to when they're facing off]]

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* In ''Anime/ReadOrDie'' [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when the "good" Nancy fights the "evil" Nancy it's nearly impossible to keep track of which is which during the fight. This creates an extra layer of drama when the surviving Nancy shows up and pretends to shoot the heroine so she can get close enough to the BigBad to kill him. To make the ending more complicated, the one who wins the fight elects to join the villain in death afterwards, leaving Yomiko a note that she didn't kill the other one after all.]] If you pay really close attention, [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance they have different dominant hands.]], something Yomiko picks up on in one scene since she figures out which Nancy to stand next to when they're facing off]]



** Several books later, it turns out that [[spoiler: ''both'' survived. The clone has been in prison for the intervening books and is now even more obsessed with revenge. Alex ends up personally killing him.]]

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** Several books later, it turns out that [[spoiler: ''both'' [[spoiler:''both'' survived. The clone has been in prison for the intervening books and is now even more obsessed with revenge. Alex ends up personally killing him.]]



* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler: Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.

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* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler: Unknown [[spoiler:Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.



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* Not precisely a clone ([[spoiler: the close acts ''way'' different]]), but towards the end of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Shepard, has to grapple with the ontological confusion of their being brought back from a really most sincerely dead state by Cerberus. To whit, is s/he the actual Shepard, with a bunch of cybernetics that helped restore brain function... or is s/he a bunch of cybernetics programmed to believe it's Shepard? Shepard's companions and/or love interest are emphatic in their defense that s/he's the real deal, but none of them can offer any concrete proof, except for a romanced Liara (because of the "merging of consciousness" that comes with asari mating) -- and even she can't be 100% certain the difference would be noticeable.
* The Double Cherry powerup in ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' can cause this. The clones dissapear on getting hit, and once they're all gone the last one remaining is treated as the "original" Mario/Luigi/Peach/Toad. Also, the moment any clone touches the end of level flagpole, all the others dissappear. Was that the real Mario, or...?

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* Not precisely a clone ([[spoiler: the close ([[spoiler:the clone acts ''way'' different]]), but towards the end of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Shepard, ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', Shepard has to grapple with the ontological confusion of their being brought back from a really most sincerely dead really-most-sincerely-dead state by Cerberus. To whit, is s/he the actual Shepard, with a bunch of cybernetics that helped restore brain function... function… or is s/he a bunch of cybernetics programmed to believe it's Shepard? Shepard's companions and/or love interest are emphatic in their defense that s/he's the real deal, but none of them can offer any concrete proof, except for a romanced Liara (because of the "merging of consciousness" that comes with asari mating) -- and even she can't be 100% certain the difference would be noticeable.
* The Double Cherry powerup in ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' can cause this. The clones dissapear on getting hit, and once they're all gone the last one remaining is treated as the "original" Mario/Luigi/Peach/Toad. Also, the moment any clone touches the end of level flagpole, all the others dissappear. Was that the real Mario, or...?or…?



--> '''Dana''': I remember, I am Dana. Or, I am Dana’s double. One of us killed the other with the stapler. Even I don’t know which one. [[FakeMemories I have these memories, but memories prove nothing]]. Experiences also prove nothing.

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--> '''Dana''': -->'''Dana''': I remember, I am Dana. Or, I am Dana’s double. One of us killed the other with the stapler. Even I don’t know which one. [[FakeMemories I have these memories, but memories prove nothing]]. Experiences also prove nothing.



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4th Apr '16 2:24:58 PM thatother1dude
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* Happens to [[spoiler: Paz]] in an episode of ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex 2nd Gig''. It's implied that [[spoiler:the real Pazu wins. If one looks closely, Pazu gets cut and bleeds while his PsychoExGirlfriend who got a robot copy of his body and downloaded his memories, gets stabbed through the last part of her that is human, her brain. The psycho-ex's robot body has a huge cut through her robot body with no internal blood or organs when the fight ends. Interestingly, both the Major and Batou don't know who won...when the Major asks Batou, Batou responds Pazu "probably" won.]]

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* Happens to [[spoiler: Paz]] Paz in an episode of ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex 2nd Gig''. It's implied that [[spoiler:the the real Pazu wins. If one looks closely, Pazu gets cut and bleeds while his PsychoExGirlfriend PsychoExGirlfriend, who got a robot copy of his body and downloaded his memories, gets stabbed through the last part of her that is human, her brain. The psycho-ex's robot body has a huge cut through her robot body with no internal blood or organs when the fight ends. Interestingly, both the Major and Batou don't know who won... when the Major asks Batou, Batou responds Pazu "probably" won.]]
21st Mar '16 2:47:37 AM alspawn
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* The ending of season 2 of LetsPlay/FluxBuddies. After fighting [[LetsPlay/DuncanJones Duncan's]] evil clone Lalnable Hector for over a season, Lalnable reveals that ''he'' is the original and ''our'' Duncan is (one of) the clones. Of course he's not exactly a reliable source...
17th Jan '16 3:34:30 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Osgood and her Zygon duplicate on ''Series/DoctorWho'' invoke and enforce this trope to keep the peace between humans and Zygons. Even after one of them dies in the Series 8 finale, the survivor refuses to confirm which one she is, and eventually ''another'' Zygon takes the dead Osgood's place. Which one of them is the surviving Osgood (who could be either human or Zygon), and which one is the Zygon who replaced the dead Osgood? Only they know - [[RiddleForTheAges and they're not telling]].

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* Osgood and her Zygon duplicate on ''Series/DoctorWho'' invoke and enforce this trope to keep the peace between humans and Zygons. Even after one of them dies in the Series 8 finale, the survivor refuses to confirm which one she is, and eventually ''another'' Zygon takes the dead Osgood's place. Which one of them is the surviving Osgood (who could be either human or Zygon), and which one is the Zygon who replaced the dead Osgood? Only they know - [[RiddleForTheAges know--[[RiddleForTheAges and they're not telling]].
17th Jan '16 3:33:17 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Osgood and her Zygon duplicate on ''Series/DoctorWho'' invoke and enforce this trope to keep the peace between humans and Zygons. Even after one of them dies in the Series 8 finale, the survivor refuses to confirm which one she is, and eventually ''another'' Zygon takes the dead Osgood's place. Which one of them is the surviving Osgood (who could be either human or Zygon), and which one is the Zygon who replaced the dead Osgood? Only they know - and they're not telling.

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* Osgood and her Zygon duplicate on ''Series/DoctorWho'' invoke and enforce this trope to keep the peace between humans and Zygons. Even after one of them dies in the Series 8 finale, the survivor refuses to confirm which one she is, and eventually ''another'' Zygon takes the dead Osgood's place. Which one of them is the surviving Osgood (who could be either human or Zygon), and which one is the Zygon who replaced the dead Osgood? Only they know - [[RiddleForTheAges and they're not telling.telling]].
17th Jan '16 3:32:56 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* In the series 8 finale of ''Series/DoctorWho'', Osgood is killed by the Master - except the 50th anniversary special established she had a Zygon duplicate walking around, and only they really knew which was which. Another Osgood does indeed show up in series 9, but refuses to confirm which one she is in the name of the tenuous peace.

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* In the series 8 finale of ''Series/DoctorWho'', Osgood is killed by the Master - except the 50th anniversary special established she had a and her Zygon duplicate walking around, on ''Series/DoctorWho'' invoke and only they really knew which was which. Another Osgood does indeed show up enforce this trope to keep the peace between humans and Zygons. Even after one of them dies in series 9, but the Series 8 finale, the survivor refuses to confirm which one she is in is, and eventually ''another'' Zygon takes the name dead Osgood's place. Which one of them is the tenuous peace. surviving Osgood (who could be either human or Zygon), and which one is the Zygon who replaced the dead Osgood? Only they know - and they're not telling.
12th Jan '16 11:14:58 PM Doug86
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* Back in the early 90s, DC Comics revisited the famous ''Sand ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' storyline, in which a being of pure sand was created after Superman eradicated Kryptonite from the Earth. In the end, the two fight and a massive explosion took place within the Fortress of Solitude, the story ending with Superman talking to Luthor with the hinting that the surviving Superman was actually the sand creature. At one point, the prevalent rumor was that this story was supposed to have been DC's escape route if the marriage between Clark and Lois didn't pan out had the incident that lead to ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' not occur, but it's been proven to be not true.

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* Back in the early 90s, DC Comics revisited the famous ''Sand ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' Franchise/{{Superman}}'' storyline, in which a being of pure sand was created after Superman eradicated Kryptonite from the Earth. In the end, the two fight and a massive explosion took place within the Fortress of Solitude, the story ending with Superman talking to Luthor with the hinting that the surviving Superman was actually the sand creature. At one point, the prevalent rumor was that this story was supposed to have been DC's escape route if the marriage between Clark and Lois didn't pan out had the incident that lead to ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' not occur, but it's been proven to be not true.
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