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20th Aug '16 1:30:57 PM Medinoc
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* Comes up in ''Literature/GalaxyOfFear: Clones''. Tash, fleeing a horde of malicious clones of herself, sheds her clothes and slips into one of the jumpsuits her clones are wearing, stacked nearly up near the cloning vats. She then ends up falling and hitting her head, so the past hour or so is a blurry mess, and runs into another Tash wearing something other than a jumpsuit, who rather than being evil is defeated and terrified and insists that ''she'' is Tash; the other clones arrive and kill the terrified one. Tash [[TomatoInTheMirror doubts herself]] for a bit, but ultimately resolves that she is not a clone - for one, she still has her mother's necklace, which none of the others have - because these clones don't act the same ways she's been acting all along. She's been intrigued and repulsed for some time by the Dark Side of the Force, while her evil clones are outright fascinated; she's pretty much become used to danger and the threat of death, but they rejoice in killing. She's afraid, but not cowering and terrified like the one nonviolent clone.

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* Comes up in ''Literature/GalaxyOfFear: Clones''. Tash, fleeing a horde of malicious clones of herself, sheds her clothes and slips into one of the jumpsuits her clones are wearing, stacked nearly neatly up near the cloning vats. She then ends up falling and hitting her head, so the past hour or so is a blurry mess, and runs into another Tash wearing something other than a jumpsuit, who rather than being evil is defeated and terrified and insists that ''she'' is Tash; the other clones arrive and kill the terrified one. Tash [[TomatoInTheMirror doubts herself]] for a bit, but ultimately resolves that she is not a clone - for one, she still has her mother's necklace, which none of the others have - because these clones don't act the same ways she's been acting all along. She's been intrigued and repulsed for some time by the Dark Side of the Force, while her evil clones are outright fascinated; she's pretty much become used to danger and the threat of death, but they rejoice in killing. She's afraid, but not cowering and terrified like the one nonviolent clone.
20th Aug '16 1:25:46 PM Medinoc
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* In ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio'''s 46th album ''Machine qui rêve'' ("Dreaming machine"), which was supposed to be a DarkerAndEdgier reboot of the franchise, Spirou get caught in an experimental laboratory and wake up later in the street with no idea of how he got here. He is then chased by [[TheMenInBlack men in black]] before retreating back in the laboratory. Once there, he meets [[spoiler:another Spirou disguised as a [[SWATTeam GIGN soldier]] claiming to be the original, the one chased being an "android" clone. The GIGN Spirou tells the other one to leave the building, before [[SuicideAttack exploding the experimentation room with himself inside]].]] It has never been confirmed [[spoiler: which one was the real Spirou]] since the new style didn't catch with the audience and was discontinued, leaving this storyline [[LooseCanon ambiguously]] [[CanonDiscontinuity cannon]].
5th Aug '16 12:58:45 PM nombretomado
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** For a while there, even one drop of Lobo's blood would grow into a clone. Whenever this happens, the Lobos would team up to kill all of their enemies and then turn on each other. The lone surviving Lobo would be declared the "real" Lobo. Since it didn't matter to Lobo--or any of his clones--who survived as long as one of them did, and everyone else in the DCUniverse tries to avoid Lobo anyway, readers didn't really care either.

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** For a while there, even one drop of Lobo's blood would grow into a clone. Whenever this happens, the Lobos would team up to kill all of their enemies and then turn on each other. The lone surviving Lobo would be declared the "real" Lobo. Since it didn't matter to Lobo--or any of his clones--who survived as long as one of them did, and everyone else in the DCUniverse Franchise/DCUniverse tries to avoid Lobo anyway, readers didn't really care either.
19th Jul '16 7:15:46 AM matruz
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* The stage comedy ''Et ta sœur?'' ("And your sister?"), which deals with a couple of HalfIdenticalTwins ([[ActingForTwo played by the same actor]]), who throughout the play cross-dress as each other causing all sort of gags, by the end of the play they both have mimicked each other so perfectly that the character has to [[BreakingTheFourthWall break the fourth wall]] to [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] the fact that the audience cannot tell if the character on the stage is the sister, or the brother dressed up as his sister, or the brother dressed up as his sister ''pretending to be her brother''.

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* The stage comedy ''Et ta sœur?'' ("And your sister?"), which deals with a couple of HalfIdenticalTwins ([[ActingForTwo played by the same actor]]), who throughout the play cross-dress as each other causing all sort of gags, by the end of the play they both have mimicked each other so perfectly that the character has to [[BreakingTheFourthWall break the fourth wall]] to [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] the fact that the audience cannot tell if the character on the stage is the sister, sister acting like her brother, or the brother dressed up as his sister, or the brother dressed up as his sister ''pretending ''and pretending to be her brother''.
19th Jul '16 7:08:19 AM matruz
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* The stage comedy ''Et ta sœur?'' ("And your sister?"), which deals with a couple of HalfIdenticalTwins ([[ActingForTwo played by the same actor]]), who throughout the play cross-dress as each other causing all sort of gags, by the end of the play they both have mimicked each other so perfectly that the character has to [[BreakingTheFourthWall break the fourth wall]] to [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] the fact that the audience cannot tell if the character on the stage is the sister, or the brother dressed up as his sister, or the brother dressed up as his sister ''pretending to be her brother''.
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18th Jun '16 6:45:47 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler:Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.

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* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''.''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler:Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.
8th Jun '16 9:53:12 AM Doug86
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* An odd case occurs in a ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' story arc where the Hulk is cloned. The final confrontation follows all the conventions of the AmbiguousCloneEnding: Banner and the Clone face each other alone, the fight itself isn't shown, and the scene skips to Banner returning to his friends telling them the clone is dead. It seems like we're meant to be unsure that the real Hulk won... except that the clone was heavily modified, and in Hulk form looks unmistakably different from the real Hulk. Since we see the Hulk looking perfectly normal the very next storyline, he's clearly the original... so why does the narrative go through all the plot points associated with this trope?

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* An odd case occurs in a ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' ''ComicBook/IncredibleHulk'' story arc where the Hulk is cloned. The final confrontation follows all the conventions of the AmbiguousCloneEnding: Banner and the Clone face each other alone, the fight itself isn't shown, and the scene skips to Banner returning to his friends telling them the clone is dead. It seems like we're meant to be unsure that the real Hulk won... except that the clone was heavily modified, and in Hulk form looks unmistakably different from the real Hulk. Since we see the Hulk looking perfectly normal the very next storyline, he's clearly the original... so why does the narrative go through all the plot points associated with this trope?
26th May '16 11:40:21 AM Willbyr
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* Hime from ''PrincessResurrection'' was cloned along with almost everyone else in one chapter reminiscent to the pod aliens. While everyone else had multiple clones, Hime only had one and the two of them act and think so alike that the two of them bar themselves in the dining room while everyone else fights off the army of clones. In the end, they both agree on who is the clone and who is the original with the clone making a heroic sacrifice. It isn't really clear if the "clone" really was the clone and we only have the agreement between the two on who is who.

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* Hime from ''PrincessResurrection'' ''Manga/PrincessResurrection'' was cloned along with almost everyone else in one chapter reminiscent to the pod aliens. While everyone else had multiple clones, Hime only had one and the two of them act and think so alike that the two of them bar themselves in the dining room while everyone else fights off the army of clones. In the end, they both agree on who is the clone and who is the original with the clone making a heroic sacrifice. It isn't really clear if the "clone" really was the clone and we only have the agreement between the two on who is who.
6th May '16 7:47:49 PM MCanter89
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'''Gwen Stacy Clone:''' But... how can you tell?\\
'''Spider-Man:''' Simple. I... uh... Far out.

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'''Gwen Stacy Clone:''' But... But… how can you tell?\\
'''Spider-Man:''' Simple. I... uh... I… uh… Far out.



*** Except for Slo'bo. See, at one point Lobo was de-aged to about fifteen and hanging out with ComicBook/YoungJustice, and he died... and when all the blood-clones grew up and started killing each other (while everyone else, thinking he was dead, was very far away), one of them ''ran and hid.'' After the others were done, he came out and ran back to Earth while the new Lobo was off doing whatever, but he was too ashamed to be called Lobo anymore, so he took a new name.

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*** Except for Slo'bo. See, at one point Lobo was de-aged to about fifteen and hanging out with ComicBook/YoungJustice, and he died... died… and when all the blood-clones grew up and started killing each other (while everyone else, thinking he was dead, was very far away), one of them ''ran and hid.'' After the others were done, he came out and ran back to Earth while the new Lobo was off doing whatever, but he was too ashamed to be called Lobo anymore, so he took a new name.



* In ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio'''s 46th album ''Machine qui rêve'' ("Dreaming machine"), which was supposed to be a DarkerAndEdgier reboot of the franchise, Spirou get caught in an experimental laboratory and wake up later in the street with no idea of how he got here. He is then chased by [[TheMenInBlack men in black]] before retreating back in the laboratory. Once there, he meets [[spoiler: another Spirou disguised as a [[SWATTeam GIGN soldier]] claiming to be the original, the one chased being an "android" clone. The GIGN Spirou tells the other one to leave the building, before [[SuicideAttack exploding the experimentation room with himself inside]].]] It has never been confirmed [[spoiler: which one was the real Spirou]] since the new style didn't catch with the audience and was discontinued, leaving this storyline [[LooseCanon ambiguously]] [[CanonDiscontinuity cannon]].

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* In ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio'''s 46th album ''Machine qui rêve'' ("Dreaming machine"), which was supposed to be a DarkerAndEdgier reboot of the franchise, Spirou get caught in an experimental laboratory and wake up later in the street with no idea of how he got here. He is then chased by [[TheMenInBlack men in black]] before retreating back in the laboratory. Once there, he meets [[spoiler: another [[spoiler:another Spirou disguised as a [[SWATTeam GIGN soldier]] claiming to be the original, the one chased being an "android" clone. The GIGN Spirou tells the other one to leave the building, before [[SuicideAttack exploding the experimentation room with himself inside]].]] It has never been confirmed [[spoiler: which one was the real Spirou]] since the new style didn't catch with the audience and was discontinued, leaving this storyline [[LooseCanon ambiguously]] [[CanonDiscontinuity cannon]].



* In ''Anime/ReadOrDie'' [[spoiler: when the "good" Nancy fights the "evil" Nancy it's nearly impossible to keep track of which is which during the fight. This creates an extra layer of drama when the surviving Nancy shows up and pretends to shoot the heroine so she can get close enough to the BigBad to kill him. To make the ending more complicated, the one who wins the fight elects to join the villain in death afterwards, leaving Yomiko a note that she didn't kill the other one after all.]] If you pay really close attention, [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance they have different dominant hands.]], something Yomiko picks up on in one scene since she figures out which Nancy to stand next to when they're facing off]]

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* In ''Anime/ReadOrDie'' [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when the "good" Nancy fights the "evil" Nancy it's nearly impossible to keep track of which is which during the fight. This creates an extra layer of drama when the surviving Nancy shows up and pretends to shoot the heroine so she can get close enough to the BigBad to kill him. To make the ending more complicated, the one who wins the fight elects to join the villain in death afterwards, leaving Yomiko a note that she didn't kill the other one after all.]] If you pay really close attention, [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance they have different dominant hands.]], something Yomiko picks up on in one scene since she figures out which Nancy to stand next to when they're facing off]]



** Several books later, it turns out that [[spoiler: ''both'' survived. The clone has been in prison for the intervening books and is now even more obsessed with revenge. Alex ends up personally killing him.]]

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** Several books later, it turns out that [[spoiler: ''both'' [[spoiler:''both'' survived. The clone has been in prison for the intervening books and is now even more obsessed with revenge. Alex ends up personally killing him.]]



* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler: Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.

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* Subverted in ''LegendOfTheFiveRings''. During the original Clan War story arc, Bayushi Kachiko uses an ArtifactOfDoom to create an evil duplicate of Doji Hoturi as part of her revenge against him for killing her son. [[spoiler: Unknown [[spoiler:Unknown to Hoturi, he was actually ''their'' son.]] Hoturi finally faces the False Hoturi in a duel alone and away from any witnesses. But since the loser melted into goo and maggots upon death, it's quite clear that the real Hoturi won.



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* Not precisely a clone ([[spoiler: the close acts ''way'' different]]), but towards the end of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Shepard, has to grapple with the ontological confusion of their being brought back from a really most sincerely dead state by Cerberus. To whit, is s/he the actual Shepard, with a bunch of cybernetics that helped restore brain function... or is s/he a bunch of cybernetics programmed to believe it's Shepard? Shepard's companions and/or love interest are emphatic in their defense that s/he's the real deal, but none of them can offer any concrete proof, except for a romanced Liara (because of the "merging of consciousness" that comes with asari mating) -- and even she can't be 100% certain the difference would be noticeable.
* The Double Cherry powerup in ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' can cause this. The clones dissapear on getting hit, and once they're all gone the last one remaining is treated as the "original" Mario/Luigi/Peach/Toad. Also, the moment any clone touches the end of level flagpole, all the others dissappear. Was that the real Mario, or...?

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* Not precisely a clone ([[spoiler: the close ([[spoiler:the clone acts ''way'' different]]), but towards the end of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Shepard, ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', Shepard has to grapple with the ontological confusion of their being brought back from a really most sincerely dead really-most-sincerely-dead state by Cerberus. To whit, is s/he the actual Shepard, with a bunch of cybernetics that helped restore brain function... function… or is s/he a bunch of cybernetics programmed to believe it's Shepard? Shepard's companions and/or love interest are emphatic in their defense that s/he's the real deal, but none of them can offer any concrete proof, except for a romanced Liara (because of the "merging of consciousness" that comes with asari mating) -- and even she can't be 100% certain the difference would be noticeable.
* The Double Cherry powerup in ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' can cause this. The clones dissapear on getting hit, and once they're all gone the last one remaining is treated as the "original" Mario/Luigi/Peach/Toad. Also, the moment any clone touches the end of level flagpole, all the others dissappear. Was that the real Mario, or...?or…?



--> '''Dana''': I remember, I am Dana. Or, I am Dana’s double. One of us killed the other with the stapler. Even I don’t know which one. [[FakeMemories I have these memories, but memories prove nothing]]. Experiences also prove nothing.

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--> '''Dana''': -->'''Dana''': I remember, I am Dana. Or, I am Dana’s double. One of us killed the other with the stapler. Even I don’t know which one. [[FakeMemories I have these memories, but memories prove nothing]]. Experiences also prove nothing.



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4th Apr '16 2:24:58 PM thatother1dude
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* Happens to [[spoiler: Paz]] in an episode of ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex 2nd Gig''. It's implied that [[spoiler:the real Pazu wins. If one looks closely, Pazu gets cut and bleeds while his PsychoExGirlfriend who got a robot copy of his body and downloaded his memories, gets stabbed through the last part of her that is human, her brain. The psycho-ex's robot body has a huge cut through her robot body with no internal blood or organs when the fight ends. Interestingly, both the Major and Batou don't know who won...when the Major asks Batou, Batou responds Pazu "probably" won.]]

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* Happens to [[spoiler: Paz]] Paz in an episode of ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex 2nd Gig''. It's implied that [[spoiler:the the real Pazu wins. If one looks closely, Pazu gets cut and bleeds while his PsychoExGirlfriend PsychoExGirlfriend, who got a robot copy of his body and downloaded his memories, gets stabbed through the last part of her that is human, her brain. The psycho-ex's robot body has a huge cut through her robot body with no internal blood or organs when the fight ends. Interestingly, both the Major and Batou don't know who won... when the Major asks Batou, Batou responds Pazu "probably" won.]]
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