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30th Nov '17 4:17:07 AM Hunn2070
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* Subverted in the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Next Generation]]'' episode "Genesis": a [[DevolutionDevice devolution plague]] affects Riker by turning him into an ''austrilopithecus'', an early human ancestor.

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* Subverted in the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Next Generation]]'' episode "Genesis": a [[DevolutionDevice devolution plague]] affects Riker by turning him into an ''austrilopithecus'', ''Australopithecus'', an early human ancestor.
9th Nov '17 7:50:45 PM Actua11y
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* Mostly played straight in Creator/SMStirling's ''Literature/TheLordsOfCreation'' series. The Neanderthals on Venus are thuggish, violent, and have almost no regard for their own lives (although they do have recognizable family units and will protect their children and other vulnerable individuals). Played with in that the Neanderthals have had thousands of years of independent evolution on terraformed Venus, and [[spoiler: may have been genetically or otherwise manipulated along the way by the {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s responsible for the setting.]]

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* Mostly played straight in Creator/SMStirling's ''Literature/TheLordsOfCreation'' series. The Neanderthals on Venus are thuggish, violent, and have almost no regard for their own lives (although they do have recognizable family units and will protect their children and other vulnerable individuals). Played with in that the Neanderthals have had thousands of years of independent evolution on terraformed Venus, and [[spoiler: may [[spoiler:may have been genetically or otherwise manipulated along the way by the {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s responsible for the setting.]]
11th Aug '17 11:06:11 PM SSJMagus
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* Real Life of course has a wide variety of "cavemen," including ''Homo'' species ''habilis'', ''heidelbergensis'', ''erectus'', ''floresiensis'' (the famous "hobbits", these fellows were around 3 1/2 feet tall), and of course ''neanderthalensis'', the Neanderthals. The evidence is that Neanderthals were not dumb brutes but capable of complex tool industries, some small level of symbolism, and possibly complex speech. They also buried their dead and seem to have developed some sort of religion. They also had larger brain cases than we do. They did not, however, seem to have much creativity and stuck with one or two tool industries for their entire span of existence, one of which may (or may not) have been their attempt to mimic ''H. sapiens'' tools, though this may be because only the stone tools have survived to modernity.

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* Real Life of course has a wide variety of "cavemen," including ''Homo'' species ''habilis'', ''heidelbergensis'', ''erectus'', ''floresiensis'' (the famous "hobbits", these fellows were around 3 1/2 feet tall), and of course ''neanderthalensis'', the Neanderthals. The evidence is that Neanderthals were not dumb brutes but capable of complex tool industries, some small level of symbolism, and possibly complex speech. They also buried their dead and seem to have developed some sort of religion. They also had larger brain cases than we do. They did not, however, seem to have much creativity and stuck with one or two tool industries for their entire span of existence, one of which may (or may not) have been their attempt to mimic ''H. sapiens'' tools, though this may be because only the stone tools have survived to modernity. While Neanderthals had more muscle mass than ''H. sapiens'' and would've been physically stronger, their limbs were less suited for throwing spears and thus they were inferior hunters, and they would've had less endurance than ''H. sapiens''. In Europe there was a significant degree of interbreeding between Neanderthals and Cro-Mangons, with all modern humans of European descent having a significant amount of Neanderthal DNA. This has led to speculation that Neanderthal extinction didn't come from being killed or out-competed by the ''H. sapiens'' population, but by being absorbed into it.
26th Jul '17 5:03:09 AM AgProv
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* The parellel story in Creator/AlanGarner's ''Literature/{{Boneland}}'' involved a member of a slightly pre-human hominid race, inferred to be a Neanderthal, who has the culture shock of encountering Cro-Magnons for the first time. Garner infers that from the point of view of the Cro-Magnons, this was the beginning of the cultural myth that humans share their world with cave-dwelling goblins - a degenerate version of which appear in his later fantasy novels, ''Literature/TheWeirdstoneOfBrisingamen'' and '''Literature/TheMoonOfGomrath''. ''Boneland'' is in this context and interpretation a rationalisation of the earlier fantasy works in the mind of their human protaganist, then a child now grown to uneasy adulthood.


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29th Apr '17 10:20:33 AM Fireblood
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* On ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' there was the "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" who was unfrozen and became a sophisticated modern man. But whenever he needed to win something he'd pull out the "I'm just a [[SimpleCountyLawyer simple unfrozen caveman]] who is confused by your modern world".

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* On ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' there was the "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" who was unfrozen and became a sophisticated modern man. But whenever he needed to win something he'd pull out the "I'm just a [[SimpleCountyLawyer [[SimpleCountryLawyer simple unfrozen caveman]] who is confused by your modern world".
29th Apr '17 10:19:53 AM Fireblood
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* On ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' there was the "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" who was unfrozen and became a sophisticated modern man. But whenever he needed to win something he'd pull out the "I'm just a simple unfrozen caveman who is confused by your modern world"

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* On ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' there was the "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" who was unfrozen and became a sophisticated modern man. But whenever he needed to win something he'd pull out the "I'm just a [[SimpleCountyLawyer simple unfrozen caveman caveman]] who is confused by your modern world"world".
27th Feb '17 10:40:02 PM JMQwilleran
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* Averted with Jeffrey Brown's ''Lucy & Andy Neanderthal'' series of children's graphic novels. The Neanderthal characters are depicted based on actual research of what Neanderthals were like and the ending of the first book and the upcoming second book show them dealing with the arrival of and living with humans.
2nd Nov '16 5:27:25 AM Eilevgmyhren
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* The cavemen that the college students are turned into in the ''Series/{{Buffy|TheVampireSlayer}}'' episode "Beer Bad" are like this, though in this case it was the result of a punitive magic spell and thus no one was trying for scientific accuracy. In contrast, the First Slayer, as seen in "Restless", was physically like a modern human and could speak.

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* The cavemen that the college students are turned into in the ''Series/{{Buffy|TheVampireSlayer}}'' episode "Beer Bad" are like this, though in this case it was the result of a punitive magic spell and thus no one was trying for scientific accuracy. In contrast, the First Slayer, as seen in "Restless", was physically like a modern human and could speak. [[ScienceMarchesOn As newer research]] reveal that Neanderthals ''could'' speak and were capable of some more sophisticated customs (like funerals and memorial places), the "cavemen" in this particular Buffy episode resemble ''Homo Erectus'' more than the Neanderthal stock.
27th Oct '16 2:12:50 PM WillKeaton
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* Ugg the caveman from the 1980s (1960s?) HannaBarbara series WesternAnimation/DinoBoy played this straight. However, the Lost Valley contains many strange hominids, from the Treemen (which are even ''more'' [[FrazettaMan ape-like]] than Ugg is, complete with tails) to more modern-human like beings, such as the Bird Riders and the Wolf People.

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* Ugg the caveman from the 1980s (1960s?) HannaBarbara Creator/HannaBarbera series WesternAnimation/DinoBoy played this straight. However, the Lost Valley contains many strange hominids, from the Treemen (which are even ''more'' [[FrazettaMan ape-like]] than Ugg is, complete with tails) to more modern-human like beings, such as the Bird Riders and the Wolf People.
27th Oct '16 2:11:19 PM WillKeaton
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** Interesting in that modern humans would fill the Elves' role, being thin and (compared to Neanderthals) extremely gracile. We also exhibited a higher degree of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny neoteny]], so perhaps we would have seemed creepily alluring. The fact that on occasion we killed (and maybe even butchered and ate) Neanderthals pushes us into TheFairFolk territory.

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** Interesting in that modern humans would fill the Elves' role, being thin and (compared to Neanderthals) extremely gracile. We also exhibited a higher degree of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny neoteny]], neoteny,]] so perhaps we would have seemed creepily alluring. The fact that on occasion we killed (and maybe even butchered and ate) Neanderthals pushes us into TheFairFolk territory.
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