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10th May '18 9:02:55 PM foxley
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* One episode of ''Series/MacGyver'' features the very careful aversion of this trope: Mac acts as a go-between for two groups who recognize the need for peace, but can't be together for more than a few minutes without hurling insults, at the very least. He keeps them apart by putting them in comfortable suites at opposite ends of a skytram, and relays only written materials.

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* One episode of ''Series/MacGyver'' ''Series/MacGyver1985'' features the very careful aversion of this trope: Mac acts as a go-between for two groups who recognize the need for peace, but can't be together for more than a few minutes without hurling insults, at the very least. He keeps them apart by putting them in comfortable suites at opposite ends of a skytram, and relays only written materials.
26th Apr '18 11:52:32 AM bitemytail
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->'''Anakin:''' When I got to them, we got into [[TropeNamer aggressive negotiations]].\\

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->'''Anakin:''' When I got to them, we got into [[TropeNamer aggressive negotiations]].negotiations.\\
15th Apr '18 1:03:12 PM Axonn
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* During ''{{Comicbook/Infinity}}'', CaptainAmerica suggest to surrender. He assures he sent his best negotiator: Comicbook/Thor. At this point, you guess [[ISurrenderSuckers he doesn't intent real surrender]]. But Thor doesn't switch to violence until the enemy cleared there would be no peace negotiation, and they would destroy Earth anyway.
26th Feb '18 2:59:33 PM WillKeaton
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* A frequent occurrence in ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', particularly [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2002-03-24 when an Attorney Drone is involved]].

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* A frequent occurrence in ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', particularly [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2002-03-24 when an Attorney Drone is involved]].involved.]]
3rd Jan '18 3:58:28 PM Discar
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-->'''Goblinslayer:''' You three bowmen will accompany me.\\
'''Guard:''' Sir, it could be a trap.\\
'''Goblinslayer:''' That's imposs--\\
''[beat]''\\
'''Goblinslayer:''' You six bowmen will accompany me.
10th Dec '17 2:52:44 PM StFan
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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' prequel book ''StartOfDarkness'', we see that this is how The Dark One ultimately met his end: he was murdered while attempting to negotiate a peace settlement with the human, dwarven, and elven kings. Rather than ending the war, it made things ''far'' worse, as the goblins [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge swarmed upon their enemies]], inflicting huge losses in vengeance for their fallen warlord, who as a result ''Ascended to Godhood''.

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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' prequel book ''StartOfDarkness'', ''Recap/StartOfDarkness'', we see that this is how The Dark One ultimately met his end: he was murdered while attempting to negotiate a peace settlement with the human, dwarven, and elven kings. Rather than ending the war, it made things ''far'' worse, as the goblins [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge swarmed upon their enemies]], inflicting huge losses in vengeance for their fallen warlord, who as a result ''Ascended to Godhood''.



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* The initially peaceful conference in ''FanFic/MyMirrorSwordAndShield'' for the opening of the SAZ with the JLF falls apart when [[CrazyJealousGuy Sir Raleigh]] orders the troops to attack behind Euphemia and Suzaku's backs, turning into a massacre. It ends in further tears when Euphemia calls Raleigh out on his actions and refuses to back down from her ideals.

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* The initially peaceful conference in ''FanFic/MyMirrorSwordAndShield'' ''Fanfic/MyMirrorSwordAndShield'' for the opening of the SAZ with the JLF falls apart when [[CrazyJealousGuy Sir Raleigh]] orders the troops to attack behind Euphemia and Suzaku's backs, turning into a massacre. It ends in further tears when Euphemia calls Raleigh out on his actions and refuses to back down from her ideals.



-->'''Messenger:''' This is blasphemy! This is madness!\\
'''Leonidas:''' Madness? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis This! Is! Sparta!]]''' (''punts messenger into pit'')

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-->'''Messenger:''' --->'''Messenger:''' This is blasphemy! This is madness!\\
'''Leonidas:''' Madness? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis This! Is! Sparta!]]''' (''punts ''[punts messenger into pit'')pit]''



'''President:''' [[DeadpanSnarker I wonder.]] (''glares at General Munro, who looks uncomfortable'')

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'''President:''' [[DeadpanSnarker I wonder.]] (''glares ''[glares at General Munro, who looks uncomfortable'')uncomfortable]''



* ''Franchise/StarWars''

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* ''Franchise/StarWars''''Franchise/StarWars'':



* ''Film/MenInBlack'': This is how the Arquellians negotiate. First step is to deliver an ultimatum. Next, they fire a "warning shot" at an uninhabited area (in this case a heat beam at Earth's ice caps). Finally, if the demands are not met within a galactic standard week (one hour), [[EarthShatteringKaboom you can say goodbye to Planet Earth]].
** Though they were at least nice enough to add a "Sorry" at the end of the ultimatum.

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* ''Film/MenInBlack'': This is how the Arquellians negotiate. First step is to deliver an ultimatum. Next, they fire a "warning shot" at an uninhabited area (in this case a heat beam at Earth's ice caps). Finally, if the demands are not met within a galactic standard week (one hour), [[EarthShatteringKaboom you can say goodbye to Planet Earth]].
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Earth]]. Though they were at least nice enough to add a "Sorry" at the end of the ultimatum.



* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''

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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':



* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles''

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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles''''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'':



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':



* When ''Series/{{Angel}}'' and the gang are working for Wolfram & Hart, Angel flips out on seeing a Groxlar Beast (a type of demon that kills babies and eats their heads) inside the offices and immediately kills it. When he angrily demands how it got past security, [[GirlFriday Harmony]] informs him that the beast was actually his three 'o' clock appointment, here to start negotiations to get the demons to stop eating baby heads.
--> '''Angel''': Oh, so that's good. (Beat, realization) Oh, so this - this is bad.
--> '''Gunn''': No, actually the Grox'lar clan respects someone who takes a strong opening position.

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* When ''Series/{{Angel}}'' and the gang are working for Wolfram & Hart, Angel flips out on seeing a Groxlar Beast (a type of demon that kills babies and eats their heads) inside the offices and immediately kills it. When he angrily demands how it got past security, [[GirlFriday Harmony]] informs him that the beast was actually his three 'o' clock o'clock appointment, here to start negotiations to get the demons to stop eating baby heads.
--> '''Angel''': -->'''Angel:''' Oh, so that's good. (Beat, realization) ''[beat, realization]'' Oh, so this - this this--this is bad.
--> '''Gunn''':
bad.\\
'''Gunn:'''
No, actually the Grox'lar clan respects someone who takes a strong opening position.



* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''
** In one episode, a mediator beams down to a planet which has been at war for hundreds of years with his interpreters (he's a deaf-mute). One of the Mooks on one side is against peace talks and kills the interpreters. You have to question the intelligence of this move.
** In a couple of other episodes, Spock defends his frequent use of "cowboy diplomacy" when Picard challenges him on it.
** This came up as early as ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries The Original Series]]'' episode, "A Taste of Armageddon"; when Spock takes matters into his own hands, destroying suicide booths with disruptor fire. Spock knows what he's talking about.
--->'''Spock:''' Ladies and gentlemen, please move quickly away from the chamber or you may be injured. \\

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''
''Franchise/StarTrek'':
** ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'':
***
In one episode, a mediator beams down to a planet which has been at war for hundreds of years with his interpreters (he's a deaf-mute). One of the Mooks on one side is against peace talks and kills the interpreters. You have to question the intelligence of this move.
** *** In a couple of other episodes, Spock defends his frequent use of "cowboy diplomacy" when Picard challenges him on it.
** ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'':
***
This came up as early as ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries The Original Series]]'' episode, TOS episode "A Taste of Armageddon"; when Spock takes matters into his own hands, destroying suicide booths with disruptor fire. Spock knows what he's talking about.
--->'''Spock:''' ---->'''Spock:''' Ladies and gentlemen, please move quickly away from the chamber or you may be injured. injured.\\



** Another TOS episode, ''A Piece of the Action'', featured something in between this and GunboatDiplomacy through a combination of OrbitalBombardment and the Enterprise's phasers having the little-known capacity for being set to stun just like the hand-held ones (the Enterprise targeted the block around the building Kirk was in). The negotiations were pretty tense anyway, since Kirk was held hostage and only allowed to get the call that allowed him to order that bombardment because the hostage-takers needed him to deliver their demands to the ''Enterprise''; still it's difficult to consider a show of force of this magnitude anything but this kind of negotiation.

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** *** Another TOS episode, ''A Piece of the Action'', featured something in between this and GunboatDiplomacy through a combination of OrbitalBombardment and the Enterprise's phasers having the little-known capacity for being set to stun just like the hand-held ones (the Enterprise targeted the block around the building Kirk was in). The negotiations were pretty tense anyway, since Kirk was held hostage and only allowed to get the call that allowed him to order that bombardment because the hostage-takers needed him to deliver their demands to the ''Enterprise''; still it's difficult to consider a show of force of this magnitude anything but this kind of negotiation.negotiation.
** ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'':
*** The Vulcans engaged in this with the Klingons before formal diplomatic relations were formed. When a Vulcan ship unknowingly first entered Klingon space, the Klingons destroyed the ship. Not one to make the same mistake twice, the policy for future encounters by any Vulcan ship running across Klingon vessels was to attack with everything they had. This ferocity lead to respect, which opened the way for a diplomatic dialogue and proper channels.
*** Episode 6 has Sarek invited to what is supposed to be negotiations with a splinter Klingon group. Good thing Sarek was almost killed on the way and they had to send a Human admiral instead.



* In ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' the Vulcans engaged in this with the Klingons before formal diplomatic relations were formed. When a Vulcan ship unknowingly first entered Klingon space, the Klingons destroyed the ship. Not one to make the same mistake twice, the policy for future encounters by any Vulcan ship running across Klingon vessels was to attack with everything they had. This ferocity lead to respect, which opened the way for a diplomatic dialogue and proper channels.
** Episode 6 has Sarek invited to what is supposed to be negotiations with a splinter Klingon group. Good thing Sarek was almost killed on the way and they had to send a Human admiral instead.



-->'''Rory:''' I have a message and a question. A message from the Doctor... and a question from ''me''. [[spoiler:Where. Is. My. Wife?!]] Oh, don't give me those blank looks! The 12th Cyber Legion monitors this entire quadrant. You hear ''everything''. So you tell me what I need to know, you tell me ''now''. And I will be on my way...\\

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-->'''Rory:''' I have a message and a question. A message from the Doctor... and a question from ''me''. [[spoiler:Where. Is. My. Wife?!]] Oh, don't give me those blank looks! The 12th 12[[superscript:th]] Cyber Legion monitors this entire quadrant. You hear ''everything''. So you tell me what I need to know, you tell me ''now''. And I will be on my way...\\



(''the entire fleet explodes'')\\

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(''the ''[the entire fleet explodes'')\\explodes]''\\



* On ''Series/{{The 100}}'', Clarke and Anya meet to discuss the possibility of peace between the 100 and the Grounders. They agree to not bring any weapons or soldiers to the meeting ... an agreement both of them ignore, instead having people with guns or bows hiding in the woods nearby. Clarke's backup was only supposed to get involved if Anya betrayed them first; it's unclear if Anya's backup was under the same orders, or if they were meant to assassinate Clarke mid-negotiation, because Clarke's backup spotted them first and opened fire.

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* On ''Series/{{The 100}}'', ''Series/The100'', Clarke and Anya meet to discuss the possibility of peace between the 100 and the Grounders. They agree to not bring any weapons or soldiers to the meeting ... an agreement both of them ignore, instead having people with guns or bows hiding in the woods nearby. Clarke's backup was only supposed to get involved if Anya betrayed them first; it's unclear if Anya's backup was under the same orders, or if they were meant to assassinate Clarke mid-negotiation, because Clarke's backup spotted them first and opened fire.



'''Simulant:''' No. ''<the two approach each other>'' Guess what? ''<pulls out large knife>'' ILied.\\
'''Lister:''' Guess what? ''<pulls out lead pipe>'' So did I.\\
'''Simulant:''' But I lied... ''<pulls out gun>'' ...twice.\\

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'''Simulant:''' No. ''<the ''[the two approach each other>'' other]'' Guess what? ''<pulls ''[pulls out large knife>'' knife]'' ILied.\\
'''Lister:''' Guess what? ''<pulls ''[pulls out lead pipe>'' pipe]'' So did I.\\
'''Simulant:''' But I lied... ''<pulls ''[pulls out gun>'' ...gun]'' ...twice.\\



* In the ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' first and second edition rulesets physical combat automatically trumps social combat, making a swing of a really big sword quite a rational response to persuasion attempts. One of the Dawn Solution Ink Monkeys Charms was particularly extreme, allowing you to ''hurl sword blows across the world'' in response to negotiations by ''letter''. (Of course, given that Exalts can actually write letters that will kill you, this does make sense in a sort of psychotic way.)
** However, the same rules prioritized MASS combat over individual physical fighting. Having an army at your side really helps having polite and civil conversations, true GunboatDiplomacy. The names of corresponding initiating actions made quite an inside joke in the community, too.
-->'''Social-build cruncher:''' So here I am going to have, like, 20 automatic successes on ''Join Debate'' and around ten at unnatural mental influence for it's duration...
-->'''Deadpan:''' That's probably a prompt brainwashing, countered only by ''Join Battle'' in response!
-->'''Ultimate powergamer:''' Here's the difference between a bad and good Exalted diplomat. Bad one gets beaten all the time. Good one responds with ''Join War''.

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* In the ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' first and second edition rulesets physical combat automatically trumps social combat, making a swing of a really big sword quite a rational response to persuasion attempts. One of the Dawn Solution Ink Monkeys Charms was particularly extreme, allowing you to ''hurl sword blows across the world'' in response to negotiations by ''letter''. (Of course, given that Exalts can actually write letters that will kill you, this does make sense in a sort of psychotic way.)
**
) However, the same rules prioritized MASS combat over individual physical fighting. Having an army at your side really helps having polite and civil conversations, true GunboatDiplomacy. The names of corresponding initiating actions made quite an inside joke in the community, too.
-->'''Social-build cruncher:''' So here I am going to have, like, 20 automatic successes on ''Join Debate'' and around ten at unnatural mental influence for it's duration...
-->'''Deadpan:'''
its duration...\\
'''Deadpan:'''
That's probably a prompt brainwashing, countered only by ''Join Battle'' in response!
-->'''Ultimate
response!\\
'''Ultimate
powergamer:''' Here's the difference between a bad and good Exalted diplomat. Bad one gets beaten all the time. Good one responds with ''Join War''.



* In ''VideoGame/{{Sacrifice}}'', playing Persephone's campaign leads to this as all of her 'homeland assaults' on the other gods start out as diplomacy missions that go sour when the other party tries to kill you. So you have to kill them instead to leave.

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Sacrifice}}'', playing ''VideoGame/{{Sacrifice}}'':
** Playing
Persephone's campaign leads to this as all of her 'homeland assaults' on the other gods start out as diplomacy missions that go sour when the other party tries to kill you. So you have to kill them instead to leave.



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** Several of Kryska’s battle quotes reference this trope, particularly the ones that play when she successfully hits an enemy unit.
--> “Weaponized diplomacy was successful!”\\
“Surrender, or I will resume hostilities.”\\
“Do you ''still'' refuse to negotiate?”

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** Several of Kryska’s Kryska's battle quotes reference this trope, particularly the ones that play when she successfully hits an enemy unit.
--> “Weaponized --->"Weaponized diplomacy was successful!”\\
“Surrender,
successful!"\\
"Surrender,
or I will resume hostilities.”\\
“Do
"\\
"Do
you ''still'' refuse to negotiate?”negotiate?"






-->'''Aragorn:''' Yeah, let's speed this up. (''kills [[spoiler:the MouthOfSauron]]'')\\

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-->'''Aragorn:''' Yeah, let's speed this up. (''kills ''[kills [[spoiler:the MouthOfSauron]]'')\\MouthOfSauron]]]''\\



** -Marine General James Mattis
* UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, who essentially boiled down America's Foreign Policy to "Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick". It's little changed in the modern world where anyone wishing to negotiate with America keeps in mind that they control all 11 of the worlds only Super-Carriers.

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** -Marine -->-- Marine General James Mattis
* UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, who essentially boiled down America's Foreign Policy to "Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick". Stick." It's little changed in the modern world where anyone wishing to negotiate with America keeps in mind that they control all 11 of the worlds only Super-Carriers.



3rd Nov '17 7:19:07 AM MasterFuzzy
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* UsefulNotes/TheodorRoosevelt, who essentially boiled down America's Foreign Policy to "Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick". It's little changed in the modern world where anyone wishing to negotiate with America keeps in mind that they control all 11 of the worlds only Super-Carriers.

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* UsefulNotes/TheodorRoosevelt, UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt, who essentially boiled down America's Foreign Policy to "Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick". It's little changed in the modern world where anyone wishing to negotiate with America keeps in mind that they control all 11 of the worlds only Super-Carriers.
27th Oct '17 10:15:34 AM Omeganian
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** Episode 6 has Sarek invited to what is supposed to be negotiations with a splinter Klingon group. Good thing Sarek was almost killed on the way and they had to send a Human admiral instead.
24th Oct '17 5:54:32 PM SullenFrog
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV Stormblood:'' When Lyse invites the leaders of Gyr Abania’s communities to a conference where they’ll discuss the future of the newly-liberated Ala Mhigo, the Primal-worshipping Qalyana [[SnakePeople Ananta]] hatch a complex plan to [[spoiler:smuggle crystals into the conference room so they can summon their goddess Lakshmi during the conference and brainwash all the attendees, with Qalyana warriors and brainwashed Resistance fighters waiting just outside the conference room to kill anyone who tries to flee]]. The plan is only thwarted by the timely intervention of [[PlayerCharacter the Warrior of Light]] [[spoiler:and a penitent Fordola]].
24th Sep '17 8:19:24 PM isoycrazy
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--->'''Spock:''' Ladies and gentlemen, please move quickly away from the chamber or you may be injured.
--->'''Ambassador Fox:''' What are you doing, Mister Spock?
--->'''Spock:''' Practicing a peculiar variety of diplomacy, sir.

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--->'''Spock:''' Ladies and gentlemen, please move quickly away from the chamber or you may be injured. \n--->'''Ambassador \\
'''Ambassador
Fox:''' What are you doing, Mister Spock?
--->'''Spock:'''
Spock?\\
'''Spock:'''
Practicing a peculiar variety of diplomacy, sir.



* In ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' the Vulcans engaged in this with the Klingons before formal diplomatic relations were formed. When a Vulcan ship unknowingly first entered Klingon space, the Klingons destroyed the ship. Not one to make the same mistake twice, the policy for future encounters by any Vulcan ship running across Klingon vessels was to attack with everything they had. This ferocity lead to respect, which opened the way for a diplomatic dialogue and proper channels.



-->'''Lister:''' You wanna talk? Let's talk.
-->'''Simulant:''' You have no weapons?
-->'''Lister:''' No. You have no weapon?
-->'''Simulant:''' No. ''<the two approach each other>'' Guess what? ''<pulls out large knife>'' ILied.
-->'''Lister:''' Guess what? ''<pulls out lead pipe>'' So did I.
-->'''Simulant:''' But I lied... ''<pulls out gun>'' ...twice.
-->'''Lister:''' [[OutGambitted ...didn't think of that.]]

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-->'''Lister:''' You wanna talk? Let's talk.
-->'''Simulant:'''
talk.\\
'''Simulant:'''
You have no weapons?
-->'''Lister:'''
weapons?\\
'''Lister:'''
No. You have no weapon?
-->'''Simulant:'''
weapon?\\
'''Simulant:'''
No. ''<the two approach each other>'' Guess what? ''<pulls out large knife>'' ILied.
-->'''Lister:'''
ILied.\\
'''Lister:'''
Guess what? ''<pulls out lead pipe>'' So did I.
-->'''Simulant:'''
I.\\
'''Simulant:'''
But I lied... ''<pulls out gun>'' ...twice.
-->'''Lister:'''
twice.\\
'''Lister:'''
[[OutGambitted ...didn't think of that.]]
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