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25th Jul '16 12:57:11 PM VVK
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*** An inversion occurs from a plot hole in the books that the movies fixed. When Harry is trying out wands in the first book, Ollivander immediately takes them away from him before he can perform any magic, sensing that the wands weren't matching with Harry up until the right one. This seems extremely odd considering later books have characters using other people's wands (just the magic isn't as effective) without having to defeat them in combat[[note]]A wand's ownership can change if its owner was defeated/disarmed in battle[[/note]]. The film fixes this by having Harry perform erratic and destructive magic with the wrong wands before getting his own.
22nd Jul '16 7:15:04 PM SuperFeatherYoshi
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** Season 3 adapts the original ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}'' story arc from the comics, which involves the Masters of Evil, a team of super-villains, posing as a new super-hero team in order to get people to trust them. In the comic, it actually made sense that nobody recognized them despite the fact they were still using the same powers, since the Masters of Evil had been through several line-up over the course of their career, and the members they used for the impersonation all had super-powers and abilities that were, for the most part, pretty common in the Marvel Universe (Baron Zemo[=/=]Citizen V was a BadassNormal like ComicBook/ThePunisher, ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} or ComicBook/BlackWidow; MACH-1[=/=]Beetle had a PoweredArmor like Iron Man, Comicbook/WarMachine or nearly everyone in Iron Man's RoguesGallery; Goliath had SizeShifting like any hero using [[ComicBook/AntMan Pym particles]]; Moonstone[=/=]Meteorite was a FlyingFirepower like ComicBook/MsMarvel and plenty of other characters, and so on). Plus, they showed up at a time where most heroes in the Marvel Universe had gone missing, making it easier for them to get accepted with no question, since people were all too happy to have a new team serving as their protectors. In the cartoon, the Avengers have only met the Masters of Evil a few episodes before they show up disguised as the Thunderbolts, the only line-up they have displayed is the one they use while in disguise, very few of the characters with similar super-powers have been introduced, and every Marvel hero is still alive and well, so you are left wondering how the Avengers don't put two and two together when this mysterious new superhero team with the same powers than a super-villain group they recently fought shows up.

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** Season 3 adapts the original ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}'' story arc from the comics, which involves the Masters of Evil, a team of super-villains, posing as a new super-hero team in order to get people to trust them. In the comic, it actually made sense that nobody recognized them despite the fact they were still using the same powers, since the Masters of Evil had been through several line-up over the course of their career, and the members they used for the impersonation all had super-powers and abilities that were, for the most part, pretty common in the Marvel Universe (Baron Zemo[=/=]Citizen V was a BadassNormal like ComicBook/ThePunisher, ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} or ComicBook/BlackWidow; MACH-1[=/=]Beetle Beetle[=/=]MACH-1 had a PoweredArmor like Iron Man, Comicbook/WarMachine or nearly everyone in Iron Man's RoguesGallery; Goliath Goliath[=/=]Atlas had SizeShifting like any hero using [[ComicBook/AntMan Pym particles]]; Moonstone[=/=]Meteorite was a FlyingFirepower like ComicBook/MsMarvel and plenty of other characters, and so on). Plus, they showed up at a time where most heroes in the Marvel Universe had gone missing, making it easier for them to get accepted with no question, since people were all too happy to have a new team serving as their protectors. In the cartoon, the Avengers have only met the Masters of Evil a few episodes before they show up disguised as the Thunderbolts, the only line-up they have displayed is the one they use while in disguise, very few of the characters with similar super-powers have been introduced, and every Marvel hero is still alive and well, so you are left wondering how the Avengers don't put two and two together when this mysterious new superhero team with the same powers than a super-villain group they recently fought shows up.
5th Jul '16 11:55:33 AM VVK
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** Book Neville is told by Harry just prior to the final battle that he had to kill Nagini. This scene was cut from the film, meaning we see him abandon the battle in the Great Hall for no reason and go after Nagini, despite never being told that this was important (and not even knowing where she was).
*** Harry does quickly say "Everyone into the castle, we have to kill the snake!" right before Neville charges at Voldemort and Nagini with the sword, although it's still pretty vague.
4th Jul '16 8:19:11 AM Morgenthaler
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** There's also The Salesman, the assassin from "The Customer is Always Right," who later becomes The Colonel, the BigBad of ''Hell and Back''. Since The Colonel is dead by BoomHeadshot (and quite deservedly so) at the end of ''Hell and Back'' and the events of ''The Big Fat Kill'' take place after that story, the Salesman doing to Becky what he did to his "customer" in the other story at the very end of the film adaptation can't exactly happen in ''Sin City'' canon unless someone else is the Colonel in the film adaptation of ''Hell and Back''.

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** There's also The Salesman, the assassin from "The Customer is Always Right," who later becomes The Colonel, the BigBad of ''Hell and Back''. Since The Colonel is dead by BoomHeadshot (and quite deservedly so) at the end of ''Hell and Back'' and the events of ''The Big Fat Kill'' take place after that story, story ([[spoiler:Manute shows up alive in the former and is killed in the latter]]), the Salesman doing to Becky what he did to his "customer" in the other story at the very end of the film adaptation can't exactly happen in ''Sin City'' canon unless someone else is the Colonel in the film adaptation of ''Hell and Back''.
3rd Jul '16 7:35:54 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Why, when they come across Zor Prime, do they act surprised when they analyze him and find out he's human (ever mind shoehorning in the "and not just a micronized [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross Zentraedi]]" statement so as to point out their alleged familiarity with HumanAliens - surely the races are so similar as to be practically the same species, as they can interbreed)? Maybe the fact that the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'' character actually was a (brainwashed) human, Seifriet Weisse.
** Why cities such as New York (complete with famous RealLife theatre) exist in ''The New Generation'' series when [[spoiler: the Earth got nuked by the Zentraedi and they barely managed to rebuild before being invaded again by the Invid]]? Maybe because there were no Zentraedi in ''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'' to begin with.

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** Why, when they humanity come across Zor Prime, do they act surprised when they analyze him and find out he's basically human (ever (never mind shoehorning in the shoehorned-in "and not just a micronized [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross Zentraedi]]" statement so as to point pointing out their alleged familiarity with HumanAliens - surely the races are so similar as to be practically the same species, as they can interbreed)? Maybe the fact that the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'' character actually was a (brainwashed) human, Seifriet Weisse.
** Why cities such as New York (complete with famous RealLife theatre) theatres) exist in ''The New Generation'' series when [[spoiler: the Earth got nuked by the Zentraedi and they barely managed to rebuild before being invaded again by the Invid]]? Maybe because there were no Zentraedi in ''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'' to begin with.
3rd Jul '16 7:33:34 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Why, when they come across Zor Prime, do they act surprised when they analyze him and find out he's human? Never mind shoehorning in the "and not just a micronized [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross Zentraedi]]" statement so as to point out their alleged familiarity with HumanAliens - surely the races are so similar as to be practically the same species, as they can interbreed? Maybe the fact that the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'' character actually was a (brainwashed) human, Seifriet Weisse.

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** Why, when they come across Zor Prime, do they act surprised when they analyze him and find out he's human? Never human (ever mind shoehorning in the "and not just a micronized [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross Zentraedi]]" statement so as to point out their alleged familiarity with HumanAliens - surely the races are so similar as to be practically the same species, as they can interbreed? interbreed)? Maybe the fact that the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'' character actually was a (brainwashed) human, Seifriet Weisse.
3rd Jul '16 7:32:13 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* A few exist in Anime/{{Robotech}}:
** Why does Dana Sterling have green hair as a baby but is a blonde by the time she grows up (dye job? Or because she was originally two different characters?)
** Why, when they come across Zor Prime, do they act surprised when they analyze him and find out he's human? Never mind shoehorning in "and not just a micronized Zentraedi" so as to point out their alleged familiarity with HumanAliens - surely the races are so similar as to be practically the same species, as they can interbreed? Maybe the fact that the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'' character actually was a (brainwashed) human, Seifriet Weisse.
** Why cities such as New York (complete with famous RealLife theatre) exist in ''The New Generation'' series when [[spoiler: the Earth got nuked by the Zentraedi and they barely managed to rebuild before being invaded again by the Invid?]] (Maybe because there were no Zentraedi in Mospeada).
* In the manga adaptation of Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica, due to [[CompressedAdaptation its nature]], they had to cut out some scenes from the final stretch of the anime. One of those scenes was a MeaningfulFuneral, which had its purpose be that [[spoiler:Sayaka's body, which was left in the apartment by Kyouko, was found]]. Cutting out that scene just suggests that [[OffscreenInertia the corpse is still rotting in the apartment]].
* [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji]]'s reluctance to pilot the Eva in the ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' series makes far, far less sense than in the original, in which he made sure to ask what would happen if he were gone, and Misato assured him Rei would replace him. In 1.0, [[WhatTheHellHero she egged him into leaving despite knowing full well the fate of humanity rests on his shoulders]], and in 1.11, he realises only seconds before starting the final decisive battle of the film that other people’s lives depend on him, despite having ''seen'' what an Angel can do.

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* A few exist in Anime/{{Robotech}}:
''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' thanks to its origins as a CutAndPasteTranslation:
** Why does Dana Sterling have green hair as a baby but is a blonde by the time she grows up (dye up? Dye job? Or because she was originally two different characters?)
characters (Komilia Maria Fallyna Jenius in ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' and Jeanne Francaix in ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'')?
** Why, when they come across Zor Prime, do they act surprised when they analyze him and find out he's human? Never mind shoehorning in the "and not just a micronized Zentraedi" [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross Zentraedi]]" statement so as to point out their alleged familiarity with HumanAliens - surely the races are so similar as to be practically the same species, as they can interbreed? Maybe the fact that the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'' character actually was a (brainwashed) human, Seifriet Weisse.
** Why cities such as New York (complete with famous RealLife theatre) exist in ''The New Generation'' series when [[spoiler: the Earth got nuked by the Zentraedi and they barely managed to rebuild before being invaded again by the Invid?]] (Maybe Invid]]? Maybe because there were no Zentraedi in Mospeada).
''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'' to begin with.
* In the manga adaptation of Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica, ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', due to [[CompressedAdaptation its nature]], they had to cut out some scenes from the final stretch of the anime. One of those scenes was a MeaningfulFuneral, which had its purpose be that [[spoiler:Sayaka's body, which was left in the apartment by Kyouko, was found]]. Cutting out that scene just suggests that [[OffscreenInertia the corpse is still rotting in the apartment]].
* [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji]]'s Shinji's reluctance to pilot the Eva in the ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' series makes far, far less sense than in the original, original ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', in which he made sure to ask what would happen if he were gone, and Misato assured him Rei would replace him. In 1.0, [[WhatTheHellHero she egged him into leaving despite knowing full well the fate of humanity rests on his shoulders]], and in 1.11, he realises only seconds before starting the final decisive battle of the film that other people’s lives depend on him, despite having ''seen'' what an Angel can do.
2nd Jul '16 12:32:20 PM nombretomado
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* The second ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' movie doesn't explain why the heroes never once use their ElementalPowers in the several battles they take part in, until the very end of the film, when they suddenly defeat the BigBad with them. Being a CompressedAdaptation, it rendered multiple books' worth of storyline as a short montage, but without mentioning how their powers have depleted during that time, and were recharging over the course of the movie.

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* The second ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Bionicle}}'' movie doesn't explain why the heroes never once use their ElementalPowers in the several battles they take part in, until the very end of the film, when they suddenly defeat the BigBad with them. Being a CompressedAdaptation, it rendered multiple books' worth of storyline as a short montage, but without mentioning how their powers have depleted during that time, and were recharging over the course of the movie.
29th Jun '16 2:18:04 PM ben9192
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Almost no adaptation is perfectly accurate. [[PragmaticAdaptation Details often get]] [[CompressedAdaptation left out of adaptations]], and sometimes this works, sometimes this doesn't ([[ContinuityLockout particularly to those ulivenfamiliar with the original work]]). Other times, details [[AdaptationExpansion are added]] that seem perfectly fine at the time, but end up directly contradicting canonical plot points -- with a continuing work, this may even be a plot point the original writers ''hadn't actually written yet''. Sadly, authors are not psychic.

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Almost no adaptation is perfectly accurate. [[PragmaticAdaptation Details often get]] [[CompressedAdaptation left out of adaptations]], and sometimes this works, sometimes this doesn't ([[ContinuityLockout particularly to those ulivenfamiliar unfamiliar with the original work]]). Other times, details [[AdaptationExpansion are added]] that seem perfectly fine at the time, but end up directly contradicting canonical plot points -- with a continuing work, this may even be a plot point the original writers ''hadn't actually written yet''. Sadly, authors are not psychic.



* There's an ''enormous'' adaptation induced plot hole in ''Franchise/TheMatrix'' movies that pretty much renders the underlying premise dead in the water. It's stated that the reason The Matrix is keeping humans alive is as what amounts to space heaters. But you could do that far more efficiently by just taking the nutrients you're supplying to the humans to keep them alive, and ''burning them'' instead. Or, even more efficiently, burning whatever feedstock you're using to generate those nutrients. Some argued that the virtual environment generated by the Matrix forces the human brains to produce more bio-electricity than normally, or the Machines have no alternative because the real world is totally destroyed since the war and the permanent nuclear winter which erased all life. But it still doesn't explain how they draw more out-put than the in-put, and in the latter case, how they can keep generations after generations of humans alive, even by recycling the dead to the full. Thermodynamics: it's not just a good idea ... ''it's the law''. There may be some other reason for keeping humans around (as opposed to having lots of little bomb calorimeters, or using, say, bunnies, which would be a lot less likely to successfully Rise Up Against The Machine), like for example as guinea pigs for experiments, but the stated one makes no sense at all. This was actually an ExecutiveMeddling induced - the humans are supposed to be the computer network, but executives felt ViewersAreMorons and would understand battery better. If you ignore the power and believe the computer network, the series does make more sense - but it's still not the in-movie-explanation.
** The programs aren't beings of pure logic. Using humans as batteries '''is''' less efficient, but the machines were presumably pretty angry at humans after the events of TheAnimatrix and the irony probably appealed to them. Contrary to Vicky of IRobot, the mad Machine entity at the ending climax shows very human behavior and emotions.
** Some hardcore fans pretend that since all of our modern knowledge comes from experiments done inside the Matrix, they could be flawed by the programming of the Machines, who may follow its own internal logic deviating from the real world at convenience. In a more meta way, you cannot even be sure that the “outside” world devastated by the nuclear war is the real one.
29th Jun '16 1:46:52 PM ben9192
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Almost no adaptation is perfectly accurate. [[PragmaticAdaptation Details often get]] [[CompressedAdaptation left out of adaptations]], and sometimes this works, sometimes this doesn't ([[ContinuityLockout particularly to those unfamiliar with the original work]]). Other times, details [[AdaptationExpansion are added]] that seem perfectly fine at the time, but end up directly contradicting canonical plot points -- with a continuing work, this may even be a plot point the original writers ''hadn't actually written yet''. Sadly, authors are not psychic.

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Almost no adaptation is perfectly accurate. [[PragmaticAdaptation Details often get]] [[CompressedAdaptation left out of adaptations]], and sometimes this works, sometimes this doesn't ([[ContinuityLockout particularly to those unfamiliar ulivenfamiliar with the original work]]). Other times, details [[AdaptationExpansion are added]] that seem perfectly fine at the time, but end up directly contradicting canonical plot points -- with a continuing work, this may even be a plot point the original writers ''hadn't actually written yet''. Sadly, authors are not psychic.


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* There's an ''enormous'' adaptation induced plot hole in ''Franchise/TheMatrix'' movies that pretty much renders the underlying premise dead in the water. It's stated that the reason The Matrix is keeping humans alive is as what amounts to space heaters. But you could do that far more efficiently by just taking the nutrients you're supplying to the humans to keep them alive, and ''burning them'' instead. Or, even more efficiently, burning whatever feedstock you're using to generate those nutrients. Some argued that the virtual environment generated by the Matrix forces the human brains to produce more bio-electricity than normally, or the Machines have no alternative because the real world is totally destroyed since the war and the permanent nuclear winter which erased all life. But it still doesn't explain how they draw more out-put than the in-put, and in the latter case, how they can keep generations after generations of humans alive, even by recycling the dead to the full. Thermodynamics: it's not just a good idea ... ''it's the law''. There may be some other reason for keeping humans around (as opposed to having lots of little bomb calorimeters, or using, say, bunnies, which would be a lot less likely to successfully Rise Up Against The Machine), like for example as guinea pigs for experiments, but the stated one makes no sense at all. This was actually an ExecutiveMeddling induced - the humans are supposed to be the computer network, but executives felt ViewersAreMorons and would understand battery better. If you ignore the power and believe the computer network, the series does make more sense - but it's still not the in-movie-explanation.
** The programs aren't beings of pure logic. Using humans as batteries '''is''' less efficient, but the machines were presumably pretty angry at humans after the events of TheAnimatrix and the irony probably appealed to them. Contrary to Vicky of IRobot, the mad Machine entity at the ending climax shows very human behavior and emotions.
** Some hardcore fans pretend that since all of our modern knowledge comes from experiments done inside the Matrix, they could be flawed by the programming of the Machines, who may follow its own internal logic deviating from the real world at convenience. In a more meta way, you cannot even be sure that the “outside” world devastated by the nuclear war is the real one.
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