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26th Sep '16 7:59:15 PM dfamaeve
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** In a mini-arc about Coby and Helmeppo, the two are said to have sailed over Reverse Mountain to Navy HQ with Garp. Later on, it is revealed that Marine ships can cross the Calm Belt with special Seastone equipment, and the newspaper photo is hand waved away as a deception for the press.

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** In a mini-arc about Coby and Helmeppo, the two are said to have sailed over Reverse Mountain to Navy HQ Marine Headquarters with Garp. Later on, it is revealed that Marine ships can cross the Calm Belt with special Seastone equipment, and the newspaper photo is hand waved away as a deception for the press.



** In Sanji's flashback which shows why he personally owes Zeff so much, it's revealed that when he was much younger Zeff saved his life when they were marooned on a small piece of land by giving him all the food that had washed up on shore with them. Zeff survived by breaking off and eating one of his own legs, thus revealing why he has a peg leg. In the anime, this is changed so that Zeff loses his leg prior while saving Sanji from drowning, as it was caught in the middle of a sinking ship. As Zeff still gives Sanji all the food that washes up, this leaves one to wonder what the hell Zeff had to eat in order to survive while the two were stuck on land.
24th Sep '16 8:29:22 PM Tyrathius
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** Speaking of Melisandre, in the books it is implied that Melisandre merely ''foresaw'' the deaths of [[spoiler: Robb Stark, Joffrey Baratheon and Balon Greyjoy]], and tricked Stannis into thinking she'd caused them through magic. The show drops this little detail, making it look like she actually did kill them. This can leave a viewer wondering why Melisandre doesn't just use her magic to kill all of Stannis' enemies. Sure, they'd need more kingsblood and/or sex, but it's not like they had no way of getting that....
11th Sep '16 1:34:53 PM lalalei2001
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* ''Manga/YuGiOh'': In [[Anime/YuGiOh the anime]]'s Duelist Kingdom arc, it's not revealed why Bakura didn't get rid of the Ring, even though it made him evil, or even why he went to the island. The manga explains that he wants to learn the secrets of the Millennium Items and went to the island to talk to Pegasus, as well as cheer Yugi and Jonouchi on in their games. And following the Monster World arc of the manga, which takes place before the Duelist Kingdom arc and is the equivalent of the anime's episode 13, Bakura no longer wore the Millennium Ring until a certain point, noting that it only possesses him if he wears it.
** And while we're on the subject, there was a filler arc in the anime that said that Duel Monsters come from an alternate world that Yugi even travels to at the arc's start. They were said to have existed since about 10,000 years ago and appeared in Atlantis. When the final arc based off the final arc of the manga comes around, it's stated that [[spoiler:Duel Monsters a.k.a. Monster Spirit Ka are the ripped out souls of people trapped in stone by the Millennium Items.]] There's also the issue that the Egyptian events were 3000 to 5000 years ago, not 10,000. And the origins of Dark Magician Girl, hoo boy... Never mind the fact that a handful of monsters were still created exclusively for the modern day game and a handful of Monsters Spirits didn't become Duel Monster cards, totally flipping story logic around for this anime-only alternate dimension.
** Most of the anime's changes and filler induced one or two plot holes to some degree, or at least, things that made absolutely no sense in context. Another example would be Sugoroku Mutou being hospitalized after playing a card game with Kaiba in the first episode. The first episode was a condensed, LighterAndSofter, and rather unfaithful version of several manga chapters, and naturally this would cause several problems. In the manga, Yugi's grandfather Sugoroku was forced to suffer a virtual reality Penalty Game in Kaiba Corp's amusement park of death, where Yugi and his friends were escaping; the holograms give Sugoroku a heart attack ([[http://ygocanonshuffle.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/g-pa-artificial-penalty-game.jpg and understandably so]]). According to the anime, it was because Kaiba's holograms were so realistic that grandpa's body couldn't handle it (in the manga, instead of giant Duel Stadiums, they had Duel Boxes -- which were booths that had tables that generated small projections of the monsters). This creates two plot holes within the anime. If these holograms were so realistic, why did Kaiba create the Duel Disk to make them even more "real", despite them being the exact same thing, only portable? Doesn't that mean Pegasus already had the technology to create a lifelike projection of his dead wife?[[note]]The dub actually ''fixed'' this by having Pegasus want to retrieve his wife's actual soul and have Kaiba Corp make a lifelike robot body for her instead.[[/note]] Also, if Grandpa's body couldn't handle these holograms, how could he have taken part in that filler tournament (Kaiba Grand Prix), which uses Duel Disks that are supposedly more intense than the Duel Stadiums? Does that mean they aren't?
*** In the manga, Kaiba is aware of Pegasus's magic, but believes that it only works at a distance, hence the Duel Disks. Since they changed the Duel Boxes to Duel Rings, which require the gamers to be more or less the same distance as the Duel Disks, they had to change this plot point.
*** Furthermore, Jonouchi discovering Mai's perfume-trick made less sense. In the manga, they were sitting relatively close to each other, so it would make more sense for Jonouchi to pick up the different scents (FridgeLogic aside that the scents wouldn't be all that discernible, not even to Mai.) In the anime, there's quite a distance between them, not to mention that they aren't in a closed room, so it should be impossible for Jonouchi to smell the perfume.
** The entire filler based around the secondary characters investigating Pegasus's castle. Through investigation they discover a hole in the upper wall of the duel room which points to a tower with a telescope in it pointed to the hole. The entire situation STRONGLY implies that Pegasus has been cheating by having someone spy on the other duelist's hand and pretending to be able to read minds...Which is wrong, he really can read minds, and he's demonstrated this ability many times. Which begs the question of why that hole set up is there in the first place.
*** Perhaps not a plothole but still a glaring flaw in the duel that's never addressed, Just Desserts which is a trap card that simply has the effect "Inflict 500 lifepoint damage for every monster on the opponent's side of the field". This card is so strange because duels at this point in the series only have 2000 life points and it's very common to have at least 2 monsters on the field, so some how a card that frequently does at least half the opponent's life points in damage at no cost is never looked at by anyone else. But even stranger is that Bakura develops an actually clever strategy... that he never actually uses or notices. As you can see from this card, if the opponent has 4 monsters on the field then playing Just Desserts will automatically win the game for you unless the opponent has gone above the initial 2000. Likewise, Bakura has sealed everyone else in cards meaning that if they go to the graveyard, they'll die if not quickly revived. And finally, Bakura plays multiple cards that force Yami to discard his hand, meaning that the safest thing he can do is to play any friend cards he gets onto the field. With 4 friends all Bakura has to do is keep up this strategy until Yami has all 4 of his friends on the field, play Just Deserts, and he wins... but for no reason at all, Bakura plays this card when Yami has only 3 friends on the field giving him the chance to win.
*** And before the duel itself, Bakura seals everyone else into cards with the intent to just take the millenium puzzle from a helpless Yugi. Later, the series would specify that the puzzle only grants its full power to people who earn it in some form of duel (it's why Bandit Keith still challenges Yugi to a duel after already running away with the puzzle). Maybe Bakura's use to revive Zork bypasses this rule, but if that's the case then there's little reason he doesn't use more violent methods since the card game isn't needed.
** And yet another problem created from anime adaptation the was the importance of the starchips. In the manga, when Kaiba first attempted to break inside Pegasus' castle, he discovered the only way in was by inserting the 10 collected starchips into the castle's front door. Thus when he was given the five in his duel with Yugi he needed to collect five more in order to enter. In the anime, Kaiba was able to break into the castle and nearly came close to rescuing Mokuba until Pegasus stole his soul, and then the starchip point comes up where he's given five to wager against Yugi so he can enter... in spite of the fact that he had just made it into the dungeon in the same episode.
*** In the anime right before Kaiba duels Pegasus, in order to force Kaiba to play in the Duel Ring against him Pegasus brings Mokbua's soulless body out. Kaiba is surprised that Mokuba's soul has been stolen and wonders what Pegasus has done to him. What screws this up is the fact that right before Yugi and Kaiba's rematch in the anime, Pegasus stole Mokuba's soul right in front of him, so he already knew that Mokuba's soul had been taken; in the original manga Pegasus did not take Mokuba's soul until sometime behind the scenes during the events of Yugi and Kaiba's duel, and it was here that both Kaiba and Yugi and his friends learned what Pegasus had done. This scene was kept completely intact from the manga, but while it still made sense for Yugi's group to be surprised that Mokuba's soul had been taken, it made much less sense for Kaiba to have the same reaction.
** Needless to say, there are so many, ''many'' more examples based around filler arcs contradicting canon material or changes made to actual canon arcs, that it could probably fill up an entire page of its own.

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* ''Manga/YuGiOh'': In [[Anime/YuGiOh the anime]]'s Duelist Kingdom arc, it's not revealed why Bakura didn't get rid of the Ring, even though it made him evil, or even why he went to the island. The manga explains that he wants to learn the secrets of the Millennium Items and went to the island to talk to Pegasus, as well as cheer Yugi and Jonouchi on ''Manga/YuGiOh'' had quite a few examples in their games. And following the Monster World arc of the manga, which takes place before the Duelist Kingdom arc and is the equivalent of the anime's episode 13, Bakura no longer wore the Millennium Ring until a certain point, noting that it only possesses him if he wears it.
** And while we're on the subject, there was a filler arc in the anime that said that Duel Monsters come from an alternate world that Yugi even travels to at the arc's start. They were said to have existed since about 10,000 years ago and appeared in Atlantis. When the final arc based off the final arc of the manga comes around, it's stated that [[spoiler:Duel Monsters a.k.a. Monster Spirit Ka are the ripped out souls of people trapped in stone by the Millennium Items.]] There's also the issue that the Egyptian events were 3000 to 5000 years ago, not 10,000. And the origins of Dark Magician Girl, hoo boy... Never mind the fact that a handful of monsters were still created exclusively for the modern day game and a handful of Monsters Spirits didn't become Duel Monster cards, totally flipping story logic around for this anime-only alternate dimension.
** Most of the anime's changes and filler induced one or two plot holes to some degree, or at least, things that made absolutely no sense in context. Another example would be Sugoroku Mutou being hospitalized after playing a card game with Kaiba in the first episode. The first episode was a condensed, LighterAndSofter, and rather unfaithful version of several manga chapters, and naturally this would cause several problems. In the manga, Yugi's grandfather Sugoroku was forced to suffer a virtual reality Penalty Game in Kaiba Corp's amusement park of death, where Yugi and his friends were escaping; the holograms give Sugoroku a heart attack ([[http://ygocanonshuffle.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/g-pa-artificial-penalty-game.jpg and understandably so]]). According to
the anime, it was because Kaiba's holograms were so realistic that grandpa's body couldn't handle it (in particularly with the manga, instead of giant Duel Stadiums, they had Duel Boxes -- which were booths that had tables that generated small projections size of the monsters). This creates two plot holes within the anime. If these holograms were so realistic, why did Kaiba create the Duel Disk to make them even more "real", despite them being the exact same thing, only portable? Doesn't that mean Pegasus already had the technology to create a lifelike projection of his dead wife?[[note]]The dub actually ''fixed'' this by having Pegasus want to retrieve his wife's actual soul and have Kaiba Corp make a lifelike robot body for her instead.[[/note]] Also, if Grandpa's body couldn't handle these holograms, how could he have taken part dueling arenas in that filler tournament (Kaiba Grand Prix), which uses Duel Disks that are supposedly more intense than the Duel Stadiums? Does that mean they aren't?
*** In the manga, Kaiba is aware of Pegasus's magic, but believes that it only works at a distance, hence the Duel Disks. Since they changed the Duel Boxes to Duel Rings, which require the gamers to be more or less the same distance as the Duel Disks, they had to change this plot point.
*** Furthermore,
Duelist Kingdom.
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Jonouchi discovering Mai's perfume-trick made makes less sense. sense in the anime. In the manga, they were sitting relatively close to each other, so it would make more sense for Jonouchi to pick up on the different scents (FridgeLogic aside that the scents wouldn't be all that discernible, not even to Mai.) scents. In the anime, there's quite a distance between them, not to mention that they aren't in a closed room, they're outside, so it should be impossible for Jonouchi to smell the perfume.
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** The entire filler based around In the secondary characters investigating manga, Kaiba's dueling rings were exclusive to himself and his company, and Pegasus was only able to produce the smaller Battle Boxes, creating a need for him to want Kaiba's technology to make a lifelike, real-size copy of his wife. In the anime, Pegasus's castle. Through investigation they discover a hole in the upper wall of the duel room which points dueling rings were nearly identical to a tower with a telescope in it pointed to the hole. The entire situation STRONGLY implies that Pegasus has been cheating by having someone spy on the other duelist's hand and pretending to be able to read minds...Which is wrong, he really can read minds, and he's demonstrated this ability many times. Which begs the question of Kaiba's, making one wonder why that hole set up is there in the first place.
*** Perhaps not a plothole but still a glaring flaw in the duel that's never addressed, Just Desserts which is a trap card that simply has the effect "Inflict 500 lifepoint damage for every monster on the opponent's side of the field". This card is so strange because duels at this point in the series only have 2000 life points and it's very common to have at least 2 monsters on the field, so some how a card that frequently does at least half the opponent's life points in damage at no cost is never looked at by anyone else. But even stranger is that Bakura develops an actually clever strategy... that he never actually uses or notices. As you can see from this card, if the opponent has 4 monsters on the field then playing Just Desserts will automatically win the game for you unless the opponent has gone above the initial 2000. Likewise, Bakura has sealed everyone else in cards meaning that if they go to the graveyard, they'll die if not quickly revived. And finally, Bakura plays multiple cards that force Yami to discard his hand, meaning that the safest thing he can do is to play any friend cards he gets onto the field. With 4 friends all Bakura has to do is keep up this strategy until Yami has all 4 of his friends on the field, play Just Deserts, and he wins... but for no reason at all, Bakura plays this card when Yami has only 3 friends on the field giving him the chance to win.
*** And before the duel itself, Bakura seals everyone else into cards with the intent to just take the millenium puzzle from a helpless Yugi. Later, the series would specify that the puzzle only grants its full power to people who earn it in some form of duel (it's why Bandit Keith still challenges Yugi to a duel after already running away with the puzzle). Maybe Bakura's use to revive Zork bypasses this rule, but if that's the case then there's little reason he doesn't use more violent methods since the card game isn't needed.
** And yet another problem created from anime adaptation the was the importance of the starchips. In the manga, when Kaiba first attempted to break inside Pegasus' castle, he discovered the only way in was by inserting the 10 collected starchips into the castle's front door. Thus when he was given the five in his duel with Yugi
he needed to collect five more in order to enter. In the anime, Kaiba was able to break into the castle and nearly came close to rescuing Mokuba until Pegasus stole his soul, and then the starchip point comes up where he's given five to wager against Yugi so he can enter... in spite of the fact that he had just made it into the dungeon in the same episode.
*** In the anime right before Kaiba duels Pegasus, in order to force Kaiba to play in the Duel Ring against him Pegasus brings Mokbua's soulless body out. Kaiba is surprised that Mokuba's soul has been stolen and wonders what Pegasus has done to him. What screws this up is the fact that right before Yugi and
Kaiba's rematch in the anime, Pegasus stole Mokuba's soul right in front of him, so technology if he already knew that Mokuba's soul had been taken; in an equivalent. The dub fixes this by having him need both the original manga Pegasus did not take Mokuba's soul until sometime behind technology and the scenes during the events of Millennium Items to bring his wife back to life, which he could only get through beating Yugi and Kaiba's duel, and it was here acquiring [=KaibaCorp=].
** Some of the Millennium Items are given one-time-only powers
that both Kaiba and Yugi and his friends learned what Pegasus they never had done. This scene was kept completely intact from in the manga, but while it still made sense for Yugi's group to be surprised that Mokuba's soul had been taken, it made much less sense for Kaiba to have such as the same reaction.
** Needless
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11th Sep '16 8:11:40 AM NNinja
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* ''Film/SteelMagnolias''. In the film version, Jackson and Drummond are watching over Shelby when the plug is pulled. However, the dialog is true to the play, and M'Lynn claims that they couldn't handle it and left. It's a key plot hole because M'Lynn states that men are supposed to be made of steel, but weren't.
11th Sep '16 6:27:27 AM NNinja
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* In ''Film/TheHobbit'', Gandalf goes on the Quest of Erebor because he is concerned with Smaug allying with Sauron. In the source material, Gandalf knew of Sauron's return long before the quest of Erebor, but in the films, he only finds out after beginning the quest, and doesn't mention Sauron before then either, which doesn't explain why he was concerned about the dragon when he decided to go.



* In ''[[Film/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians The Lightning Thief]]'', it's never explained how monsters like Medusa and the Hydra are still alive in modern times when they were killed in Greek mythology. [[Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians The books]] explain that since monsters don't have souls, when they die, they are not bound to the underworld and can escape (some monsters do take longer to come back to live than others). The movie also never explains why the Greek gods and monsters inhabit present-day America instead of Greece, while the book explains that they always reside in the most powerful nation of the Western world.
7th Sep '16 5:17:46 AM SeaRover
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* In ''FanFic/CibusEsculentusMadokaMagica'', Homura and Kyoko come off as nothing but arrogant when the former seeks to protect Madoka without the others' help and the latter fights for territory. The person that [=SeaRover1986=] (formerly [=McKnight=]) commissioned skipped over a lot of details (such as most of Sayaka's interactions with Kyousuke) assuming them redundant. However, the reason Homura originally shunned everyone's help except Kyoko's was because they brushed her off when she tried to warn them about their fates to turn into Witches and then broke down after having to kill Sayaka's Witch form. As for Kyoko, Grief Seeds which could only be obtained from Witches, were the sole reason Puellae Magi fought for territory in the first place; those don't exist here, because Cibi don't wield Soul Gems, because instead of succumbing to despair and becoming Witches, their purpose is to get eaten by an Esuriens after keeping their numbers down for a bit, in order to help them reproduce by spawning. This trope is exactly one of two reasons why the author seeks to reboot the story (the other, more importantly, to write it in his own words [[http://dmxrated.livejournal.com/2016/03/28/ for reasons explained here]]).

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* In ''FanFic/CibusEsculentusMadokaMagica'', Homura and Kyoko come off as nothing but arrogant when the former seeks to protect Madoka without the others' help and the latter fights for territory. The person that [=SeaRover1986=] (formerly [=McKnight=]) commissioned skipped over a lot of details (such as most of Sayaka's interactions with Kyousuke) assuming them redundant. However, the reason Homura originally shunned everyone's help except Kyoko's was because they brushed her off when she tried to warn them about their fates to turn into Witches and then broke down after having to kill Sayaka's Witch form. As for Kyoko, Grief Seeds which could only be obtained from Witches, were the sole reason Puellae Magi fought for territory in the first place; those don't exist here, because place. Both issues should be moot due to a lack of Soul Gems, Grief Seeds, and Witches; Cibi don't wield Soul Gems, because instead of succumbing to despair and becoming Witches, their purpose is to get eaten by an Esuriens Esurientes after keeping their numbers down for a bit, in order to help them reproduce by spawning. This trope is exactly one of two reasons why the author seeks to reboot the story (the other, more importantly, to write it in his own words [[http://dmxrated.livejournal.com/2016/03/28/ for reasons explained here]]).
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* In ''FanFic/CibusEsculentusMadokaMagica'', Homura and Kyoko come off as nothing but arrogant when the former seeks to protect Madoka without the others' help and the latter fights for territory. The person that [=SeaRover1986=] (formerly [=McKnight=]) commissioned skipped over a lot of details (such as most of Sayaka's interactions with Kyousuke) assuming them redundant. However, the reason Homura originally shunned everyone's help except Kyoko's was because they brushed her off when she tried to warn them about their fates to turn into Witches and then broke down after having to kill Sayaka's Witch form. As for Kyoko, Grief Seeds which could only be obtained from Witches, were the sole reason Puellae Magi fought for territory in the first place; those don't exist here, because Cibi don't wield Soul Gems, because instead of succumbing to despair and becoming Witches, their purpose is to get eaten by an Esuriens after keeping their numbers down for a bit, in order to help them reproduce by spawning. This trope is exactly one of two reasons why the author seeks to reboot the story (the other, more importantly, to write it in his own words [[http://dmxrated.livejournal.com/2016/03/28/ for reasons explained here]]).
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3rd Sep '16 8:05:35 PM MisterCPC
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** And yet another problem created from anime adaptation the was the importance of the starchips. In the manga, when Kaiba first attempted to break inside Pegasus' castle, he discovered the only way in was by inserting the 10 collected starchips into the castle's front door. Thus when he was given the five in his duel with Yugi he needed to collect five more in order to enter. In the anime, Kaiba was able to break into the castle and nearly came close to rescuing Mokuba until Pegasus stole his soul, and then the starchip point comes up where he's given five to wager against Yugi so he can enter... in spite of the fact that he had just made it into the castle in the same episode.

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** And yet another problem created from anime adaptation the was the importance of the starchips. In the manga, when Kaiba first attempted to break inside Pegasus' castle, he discovered the only way in was by inserting the 10 collected starchips into the castle's front door. Thus when he was given the five in his duel with Yugi he needed to collect five more in order to enter. In the anime, Kaiba was able to break into the castle and nearly came close to rescuing Mokuba until Pegasus stole his soul, and then the starchip point comes up where he's given five to wager against Yugi so he can enter... in spite of the fact that he had just made it into the castle dungeon in the same episode.episode.
*** In the anime right before Kaiba duels Pegasus, in order to force Kaiba to play in the Duel Ring against him Pegasus brings Mokbua's soulless body out. Kaiba is surprised that Mokuba's soul has been stolen and wonders what Pegasus has done to him. What screws this up is the fact that right before Yugi and Kaiba's rematch in the anime, Pegasus stole Mokuba's soul right in front of him, so he already knew that Mokuba's soul had been taken; in the original manga Pegasus did not take Mokuba's soul until sometime behind the scenes during the events of Yugi and Kaiba's duel, and it was here that both Kaiba and Yugi and his friends learned what Pegasus had done. This scene was kept completely intact from the manga, but while it still made sense for Yugi's group to be surprised that Mokuba's soul had been taken, it made much less sense for Kaiba to have the same reaction.
1st Sep '16 9:34:23 AM NNinja
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** The sequence where the Map insults Snape is a bit weird. Snape catches Harry out of his dorm at night, which is enough to get him in trouble by itself. There's no reason for Snape to force Harry to empty his pockets, and no reason to suspect the map is anything but a blank parchment[[note]]Yes, Snape's a talented Legilimens, but again, Harry should be in trouble already; Snape doesn't need to look for more.[[/note]]. After Lupin confiscates the map, Harry somehow avoids further trouble. In the book, Snape catches Harry coming back from Hogsmeade, and has him empty his pockets and tries to reveal the Map's secret to prove Harry's been in Hogsmeade; when he can't, Harry barely escapes trouble.
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