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16th Jan '17 12:14:14 PM Ramidel
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* From both the above series: Haman Karn. Though she spends most of her time politicking rather than fighting, when she does get in a mobile suit, she is ''dangerous''. At the climax of ''Zeta'' she defeats Char overwhelmingly and remains a serious threat throughout ''ZZ'', and even in her final battle, she was holding back roughly half her firepower, and she was still kicking the ZZ Gundam around like a toy for most of it.

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* From both the above series: Haman Karn. Though she spends most of her time politicking rather than fighting, when she does get in a mobile suit, she is ''dangerous''. At the climax of ''Zeta'' she defeats Char overwhelmingly and remains a serious threat throughout ''ZZ'', and even in her final battle, she was holding back roughly half her firepower, and she was still kicking the ZZ Gundam around like a toy for most of it. As a pilot, she's a hybrid Bushwhacker-Sniper who specializes in fighting with [[AttackDrone fin funnels]].
14th Jan '17 10:33:07 AM Statzkeen
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** Like Ilmari Juutilainen did, Charles Yeager still flies actively P-51 Mustang in air shows, as does his WWII squadronmate Clarence "Bud" Anderson, a 16 victory ace. They often fly together in formation.

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** Like Ilmari Juutilainen did, Charles Yeager still flies actively P-51 Mustang in air shows, shows (in his ''90s''), as does his WWII squadronmate Clarence "Bud" Anderson, a 16 victory ace. They often fly together in formation.
14th Jan '17 10:19:40 AM Statzkeen
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One explanation of this comes from a flaw in the Japanese training system: they used TheSpartanWay to produce a small supply of excellent pilots while the Americans used BiggerIsBetter to produce ten times as many ''good' pilots. The Americans also rotated their experienced pilots home to act as mentors to new pilots to give them the benefit of their experience while the Japanese pilots remained in combat to be killed off or become {{shell shocked veteran}}s. Thus when the second crop of Japanese pilots came out after Midway they were almost untrained compared to their American adversaries, and there were very few skilled veterans still alive to mentor them.

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One explanation of this comes from a flaw in the Japanese training system: they used TheSpartanWay to produce a small supply of excellent pilots while the Americans used BiggerIsBetter to produce ten times as many ''good' pilots. The Americans also rotated their experienced pilots home to act as mentors to new pilots to give them the benefit of their experience while the Japanese pilots remained in combat to be killed off or become {{shell shocked veteran}}s. Thus when the second crop of Japanese pilots came out after Midway they were almost untrained compared to less trained than their American adversaries, and there were very few skilled veterans still alive to mentor them.them. When the third crop came out during the attrition-heavy Solomon Islands campaigns, they were almost completely untrained in comparison to the Americans they were facing.
10th Jan '17 3:41:08 PM StarSword
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** Starbuck was played straight as the best pilot in the Fleet, with the kill count and retina-detaching moves to match (including ''locking the wings of her viper with Apollo's'' to [[PardoPush bring him home when it lost power]] - ''in the middle of a battle''!). Also, plenty of pilots will claim to be able to fly anything with wings. But how many of them could climb inside something's dead body and ''fly its brain''?
** Starbuck may be the Fleet's Top Gun, but Apollo is second only to her, even pulling off a few Starbuck-worthy moves in his own right when an injury puts her out of commission.
** There was also an episode dealing with the Cylon ace, Scar, who's a Bushwacker/Sniper using his wingman as a decoy. Scar had one big difference from every other Ace on this page: he couldn't die, at least not permanently. He was resurrected and reloaded into fighter bodies countless times, until he seemingly had too much experience to be beaten at all. Sure, he had countless kills, but he himself was killed a significant number of times - and every time he died, he got angrier and ''angrier''.

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** Starbuck Kara "Starbuck" Thrace was played straight as the best pilot in the Fleet, with the kill count and retina-detaching moves to match (including ''locking the wings of her viper with Apollo's'' to [[PardoPush bring him home when it lost power]] - ''in the middle of a battle''!). Also, plenty of pilots will claim to be able to fly anything with wings. But how many of them could climb inside something's dead body and ''fly its brain''?
** Starbuck may be the Fleet's Top Gun, but Apollo Lee "Apollo" Adama is second only to her, even pulling off a few Starbuck-worthy moves in his own right when an injury puts her out of commission.
** There was also an episode dealing with the Cylon ace, Scar, who's a Bushwacker/Sniper using his wingman as a decoy. Scar had one big difference from every other Ace on this page: he couldn't die, at least not permanently. He was resurrected and reloaded into fighter bodies countless times, until he seemingly had too much experience to be beaten at all. Sure, he had countless kills, but he himself was killed a significant number of times - and every time he died, he got angrier and ''angrier''. [[spoiler:Starbuck gets him by using his own tactic against him, luring him into position so her wingman Kat can shoot him down, and this time he doesn't come back on account of their having destroyed the Resurrection Ship earlier in the season.]]



** Several of the main characters were portrayed as pilots of some skill. Sinclair, Sheridan, Ivanova, and Garibaldi all had AceCustom starfuries featuring distinctive NoseArt. Marcus and Lennier both piloted [[CoolStarship White Stars]] through numerous battles. Londo Mollari [[InformedAbility bragged about being such a pilot]], and on one occasion got to handily prove it in a shuttle dodging AntiAir missiles like it was no big deal (he could be extra daring since he already knew how he would die and it wasn't for years). G'Kar led a patrol of Narn fighters to Z'Ha'Dum and was the only one to survive a battle with the Shadows. Even some of the villains qualified, such as [[MagnificentBastard Mr. Bester]], who had his own elite telepath fighter squadron, the [[LawOfChromaticSuperiority Black Omega Squadron]], as his own pet project. Sinclair is openly stated to be one, having flown a starfury in various battles of the [[HopelessWar Earth-Minbari War]] and not only survived but ''killed a discrete number of Minbari fighters''.



** Several of the main characters were portrayed as pilots of some skill. Sinclair, Sheridan, Ivanova, and Garibaldi all had AceCustom starfuries featuring distinctive NoseArt. Marcus and Lennier both piloted [[CoolStarship White Stars]] through numerous battles. Londo Molari [[InformedAbility bragged about being such a pilot]], and on one occasion got to handily prove it in a shuttle dodging AntiAir missiles like it was no big deal (he could be extra daring since he already knew how he would die and it wasn't for years). G'Kar led a patrol of Narn fighers to Z'Ha'Dum and was the only one to survive a battle with the Shadows. Even some of the villains qualified, such as [[MagnificentBastard Mr. Bester]], who had his own elite telepath fighter squadron, the [[LawOfChromaticSuperiority Black Omega Squadron]], as his own pet project. Sinclair is openly stated to be one, having flown a starfury in various battles of the [[HopelessWar Earth-Minbari War]] and not only survived but ''killed a discrete number of Minbari fighters''.
3rd Jan '17 10:46:24 AM gunslingerofgilead
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** ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' adds shuttle pilot Steve Cortez, who claims the [[DropShip UT-47]] flies like a brick. Yet he still wins dogfights with Cerberus gunships flying one. In the ''Citadel'' DLC, a rogue mercenary gang steals the ''Normandy SR-2''. While Shepard infiltrates the ship, Cortez has to prevent it from jumping to FTL by literally blocking it; repeatedly flying within a 30-degree cone of its line of travel will trip the jump safeties and keep the mercenaries from fleeing. It also exposes Cortez to the ''SR-2'''s formidable main weapons, so he has to continuously duck in and out of the line of fire, keeping up with the frigate's course changes and dodging skyscrapers. Cortez accomplishes this feat ''in a taxi''.

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** ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' adds shuttle pilot Steve Cortez, Cortez (who previously served as a fighter pilot in the Alliance Navy), who claims the [[DropShip UT-47]] UT-47A Kodiak]] flies like a brick. Yet brick, yet he still wins dogfights with Cerberus gunships flying one. In the ''Citadel'' DLC, a rogue mercenary gang steals the ''Normandy SR-2''. While Shepard infiltrates the ship, Cortez has to prevent it from jumping to FTL by literally blocking it; repeatedly flying within a 30-degree cone of its line of travel will trip the jump safeties and keep the mercenaries from fleeing. It also exposes Cortez to the ''SR-2'''s formidable main weapons, so he has to continuously duck in and out of the line of fire, keeping up with the frigate's course changes and dodging skyscrapers. Cortez accomplishes this feat ''in a taxi''.
1st Jan '17 6:29:35 PM Doug86
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* Nguyen Van Coc, highest scoring ace of the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. There were sixteen Vietnamese aces and two American ones.

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* Nguyen Van Coc, highest scoring ace of the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar.UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. There were sixteen Vietnamese aces and two American ones.
31st Dec '16 8:00:34 AM Doug86
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** Hell, Pancho Barnes, the lady who owns the bar that Yeager frequents, was doing that stuff back in the [[RoaringTwenties 1920s]].

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** Hell, Pancho Barnes, the lady who owns the bar that Yeager frequents, was doing that stuff back in the [[RoaringTwenties [[TheRoaringTwenties 1920s]].
24th Dec '16 12:05:17 PM DustSnitch
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* ''VideoGame/KerbalSpaceProgram'', though most decidedly of the non-military variety, does give us Jebediah and Valentina Kerman. Both of them, as well as any other Kerbalnaut with a "Pilot" profession, are highly-trained masters of guiding spacecraft throughout the cosmos. Jeb and Val in particular have a hidden "[[{{Badass}} BadS]]" flag set to true, meaning they ''never'' lose their cool, even when the craft is barrel rolling sideways into a cliff face at 300 miles an hour.

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* ''VideoGame/KerbalSpaceProgram'', though most decidedly of the non-military variety, does give us Jebediah and Valentina Kerman. Both of them, as well as any other Kerbalnaut with a "Pilot" profession, are highly-trained masters of guiding spacecraft throughout the cosmos. Jeb and Val in particular have a hidden "[[{{Badass}} BadS]]" "BadS" flag set to true, meaning they ''never'' lose their cool, even when the craft is barrel rolling sideways into a cliff face at 300 miles an hour.
24th Dec '16 11:49:03 AM Thunderchin
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* ''VideoGame/KerbalSpaceProgram'', though most decidedly of the non-military variety, does give us Jebediah and Valentina Kerman. Both of them, as well as any other Kerbalnaut with a "Pilot" profession, are highly-trained masters of guiding spacecraft throughout the cosmos. Jeb and Val in particular have a hidden "[[{{Badass}} BadS]]" flag set to true, meaning they ''never'' lose their cool, even when the craft is barrel rolling sideways into a cliff face at 300 miles an hour.
24th Dec '16 9:12:53 AM StarSword
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** There are plenty of other pilots, but those illustrate the styles best. Another EU book, ''Literature/DeathStar'', makes it clear that Darth Vader doesn't really fit any category, except perhaps the double-secret probationary [[ImprobablePilotingSkills Sniperollbushplugwhacker]]. He was able to make the ''second'' best Imperial pilot, pictured above, who is good enough to make a decent protagonist pilot feel like a child who can barely walk trying to keep up with a champion distance runner, look like a clueless farmboy. Casually. Without using a targeting computer, which, the protagonist believes, is outright ''impossible''. The Force--and to be completely accurate, thirty-plus years of experience and ageless cybernetic components--helps pilots, clearly. Another thing to take into account is just how much of Vader's body is cybernetic. Think about how a pilot experiences extreme movement of blood from the extremities to the brain during strenuous maneuvers. Now think about a pilot without extremities, whose body doesn't have the same necessities as a typical human. And give him the power of the force. In ''Death Star'', after flying against Vader in practice the top TIE pilot on the station narrates that, if he ever ends up on the wrong end of Vader's guns for real, he'll just self-destruct his ship and save him the time.

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** There are plenty of other pilots, but those illustrate the styles best. Another EU book, ''Literature/DeathStar'', makes it clear that Darth Vader doesn't really fit any category, except perhaps the double-secret probationary [[ImprobablePilotingSkills Sniperollbushplugwhacker]]. He was able to make the ''second'' best Imperial pilot, pictured above, who is good enough to make a decent protagonist pilot feel like a child who can barely walk trying to keep up with a champion distance runner, look like a clueless farmboy. Casually. Without using a targeting computer, which, the protagonist believes, is outright ''impossible''. The Force--and to be completely accurate, thirty-plus years of experience and ageless cybernetic components--helps pilots, clearly. Another thing to take into account is just how much of Vader's body is cybernetic. Think about how a pilot experiences extreme movement of blood from the extremities to the brain during strenuous maneuvers. Now think about a pilot without extremities, whose body doesn't have the same necessities as a typical human. And give him the power of the force. In ''Death Star'', after flying against Vader in practice the top TIE pilot on the station narrates that, if he ever ends up on the wrong end of Vader's guns for real, he'll just self-destruct his ship and to save him the time.


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* ''Literature/{{Aeon 14}}'' has protagonist Tanis Richards' LoveInterest Joe Evans, a man talented with both SpaceFighters and shuttles. It's mentioned that his BioAugmentation includes mods to let him withstand much higher ''g''-forces than non-pilots can, Tanis included (she has to do some {{nanotechnology}} MacGyvering to survive a hard burn in book 2, but Joe is unaffected). A memorable scene in ''Outsystem'' has a merc attack against ''Intrepid'' get foiled by his fancy flying of a cargo shuttle. Late in the chase, mercs emerge from a hiding place aboard the shuttle and hold the heroes at gunpoint. Then there's a sudden jolt, the mercs' aim is thrown off, and Tanis and the SpaceMarines fill them with holes.
-->'''Joe:''' Oops, did I clip that cargo net? Sorry about that.
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