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2nd Mar '17 12:01:40 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* ''FireEmblem'' has Naesala, that lovable victim of ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. He betrays people in ways that for anyone else would be well beyond crossing the MoralEventHorizon... but he is just so masterful that characters (and fans) are willing to look past it. It reaches the point where he gets a BloodKnight telling him ItsPersonal to leave, by convincing him that there is someone else with a higher right to his head (which, admittedly, is true)... then proceeds to get said someone else not to come after him simply by [[spoiler:becoming Sanaki's bodyguard, meaning that if Tibarn (the aforementioned someone else) kills him, he will face the diplomatic wrath of the world's most powerful country. And this move kills two birds with one stone for him by letting him abuse a loophole in his contract with Begnion, thus allowing him to betray Lekain... who has no idea about any of this until Naesala decides to casually inform him, a move that is timed ''[[JustBetweenYouAndMe right before Naesala brutally kills him]]''.]] And all of this is just him in ''Radiant Dawn''. It isn't even touching his manipulations in Path of Radiance.

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* ''FireEmblem'' ''Franchise/FireEmblem has ''several'' of these:
** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius The Tellius games]]'' have
Naesala, that lovable victim of ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. He betrays people in ways that for anyone else would be well beyond crossing the MoralEventHorizon... but he is just so masterful that characters (and fans) are willing to look past it. It reaches the point where he gets a BloodKnight telling him ItsPersonal to leave, by convincing him that there is someone else with a higher right to his head (which, admittedly, is true)... then proceeds to get said someone else not to come after him simply by [[spoiler:becoming Sanaki's bodyguard, meaning that if Tibarn (the aforementioned someone else) kills him, he will face the diplomatic wrath of the world's most powerful country. And this move kills two birds with one stone for him by letting him abuse a loophole in his contract with Begnion, thus allowing him to betray Lekain... who has no idea about any of this until Naesala decides to casually inform him, a move that is timed ''[[JustBetweenYouAndMe right before Naesala brutally kills him]]''.]] And all of this is just him in ''Radiant Dawn''. It isn't even touching his manipulations in Path of Radiance.



** NOTHING can compare to Lekain himself, Vice-Minister of Begnion and head of the Begnion Senate. [[spoiler:He orders the assasination of Apostle Misaha and blames it on the herons, causing the Serenes Massacre which burned the forest and killed all the herons except for two princes, a princess, and the king, though Rafiel got lost in the desert, and King Lorazieh fell into a coma. Plus ignite Lehran's loss of hope in the Created. 25 or so years later, he installs the five-year-old Sanaki as empress so that no one higher up than him would learn of his abuses in laguz slavery, or that he had Sanaki's elder sister, the true apostle, murdered along with Misaha (though it turns out to be [[MarySue Micaiah]] in the end). 5 years later, he orders Numida and Jarod, the commanders of the Begnion Occupational Army, to abuse Daein in any way they see fit, similar to what [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin Stalin]] did to Eastern Europe after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. And 3 MORE years later, Lekain imprisons both [[AChildShallLeadThem Sanaki]] and [[TheChessmaster Sephiran]] so that he could order the extermination of all laguz on earth in the war with the Laguz Alliance. He also enacts the blood pacts he has over Kilvas (from a century ago, but not made by the current senate or Kilvan royals, but by a couple previous generations) and Daein (due to the workings of the Daein-born senatorial double agent and creator of the Feral Laguz drug, Izuka, creating a pawn out of Pelleas, who was not Ashnard's son, to become king of Daein. The real son was Soren, who didn't even know it himself), so that they would fight alongside the Senate and destroy all "Sub-Humans", with the coup de grace being the murder of Sanaki blamed once again on the herons. Luckily, that was all stopped midway, with Sanaki's escape from Mainal Cathedral. And when Ashera casts her judgement on Tellius, Lekain leads the Disciples of Order to kill all your guys under the delusion that "the false apostle and her minions are the servants of the dark god, and we (the Order) are the will of the holy goddess Ashera herself". And he even leaves Numida to die in the Grann Desert when the Dawn Army made their approach there. And in the end, it turns out he really knows NOTHING of the truth, and that he believes his delusions are actually the truth. All those monstrocities he caused give a VERY good feeling of sinister pleasure when you at last kill him.]] And to pour salt on the wound, Astrid was arranged to be [[ShotgunWedding MARRIED]] to Lekain.
** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Sacred Stones]]'' has Caellach, a mercenary who becomes one of the six generals of TheEmpire. His [[AmbitionIsEvil greatest ambition]] is to become a King, and he's also AffablyEvil and ThatOneBoss, since he has an item that negates critical hits. He's also friends with Joshua, from when they were a mercenary pair that worked together.

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** NOTHING can compare to Lekain himself, Vice-Minister of Begnion and head of the Begnion Senate. [[spoiler:He orders the assasination of Apostle Misaha and blames it on the herons, causing the Serenes Massacre which burned the forest and killed all the herons except for two princes, princes (Rafiel and Reyson), a princess, princess (Leanne), and the king, king (Loriazeh), though Rafiel got lost in the desert, and King Lorazieh fell into a coma. Plus ignite Lehran's Lehran/Sephiran's loss of hope in the Created. 25 or so years later, he installs the five-year-old Sanaki as empress so that no one higher up than him would learn of his abuses in laguz slavery, or that he had Sanaki's elder sister, the true apostle, murdered along with Misaha (though it turns out to be [[MarySue [[JeanneDArchetype Micaiah]] escaped in the end). 5 years later, he orders Numida and Jarod, the commanders of the Begnion Occupational Army, to abuse Daein in any way they see fit, similar to what [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin Stalin]] did to Eastern Europe after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. And 3 MORE years later, Lekain imprisons both [[AChildShallLeadThem Sanaki]] and [[TheChessmaster Sephiran]] so that he could order the extermination of all laguz on earth in the war with the Laguz Alliance. He also enacts the blood pacts he has over Kilvas (from a century ago, but not made by the current senate or Kilvan royals, but by a couple previous generations) and Daein (due to the workings of the Daein-born senatorial double agent and creator of the Feral Laguz drug, Izuka, creating a pawn out of Pelleas, who was not Ashnard's son, to become king of Daein. The real son was Soren, who didn't even know it himself), so that they would fight alongside the Senate and destroy all "Sub-Humans", with the coup de grace being the murder of Sanaki blamed once again on the herons. Luckily, that was all stopped midway, with Sanaki's escape from Mainal Cathedral. And when Ashera casts her judgement on Tellius, Lekain leads the Disciples of Order to kill all your guys the cast under the delusion that "the false apostle and her minions are the servants of the dark god, and we (the Order) are the will of the holy goddess Ashera herself". And he even leaves Numida to die in the Grann Desert when the Dawn Army made their approach there. And in the end, it turns out he really knows NOTHING of the truth, and that he believes his delusions are actually the truth. All those monstrocities he caused give a VERY good feeling of sinister pleasure when you the cast at last kill kills him.]] And to pour salt on the wound, Astrid was arranged to be [[ShotgunWedding MARRIED]] to Lekain.
** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Sacred Stones]]'' has Caellach, a mercenary who becomes one of the six generals of TheEmpire. His [[AmbitionIsEvil greatest ambition]] is to become a King, and he's also AffablyEvil and ThatOneBoss, since he has an item that negates critical hits. He's also friends with [[spoiler: the actual Prince]] Joshua, from when they were a mercenary pair that worked together.
25th Feb '17 5:15:06 AM ReynTime250
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** [[spoiler:Lusamine may be among the most (if not '''the''' most) successful and manipulative villains in the main series. Despite being completely insane, she still manages to successfully run the Aether Foundation by putting on the charade of still being a loving and caring person, and has the entirety of it at her fingertips, the majority of whom do not even know her true intentions. Meanwhile, she secretly freezes dozens of rescued Pokémon and keeps them in her hidden chamber as decorations, and manipulates Guzma and the rest of Team Skull into doing her bidding (meaning that she controls two different organizations at once). She oversaw the project to create Type: Full, a Pokémon intended to emulate [[{{God}} Arceus]] itself, and even though her children successfully managed to escape her, she still indirectly controlled their lives to such an extent that they were in no position to stop her. She nearly kills Nebby in order to open the wormholes, successfully releases at least ten dangerous Ultra Beasts all over Alola, brings Guzma into the wormhole along with herself in order to escape this world, and now that she has what she wants, [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness discards him like a used toy once they arrive in Ultra Space]], trapping him for an indefinite time. Virtually the only reason that she managed to be defeated is due to Lillie's newfound determination and your prowess as a trainer, and even when you both confront her, she makes her last stand by '''fusing with a Nihilego''' and attempting to kill her own daughter.]]
14th Feb '17 12:19:14 AM ThatFanwiththeGlasses
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** Then there's the BigBad of ''Investigations 2'', who managed to be the ManBehindTheMan for ''everything'' in the game, all while [[spoiler: doing such a good job of passing himself off as a ShrinkingViolet even Edgeworth was fooled the first time they met. He orchestrated an extremely intricate plan to get revenge on three people, and when he finally drops the facade he shows he's more than capable of matching Edgeworth in a battle of wits.]]

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** Then there's the BigBad of ''Investigations 2'', who managed to be the ManBehindTheMan for ''everything'' in the game, all while [[spoiler: doing such a good job of passing himself off as a ShrinkingViolet even Edgeworth was fooled the first time they met. He orchestrated an extremely intricate plan to get revenge on three people, and when he finally drops the facade he shows he's more than capable of matching Edgeworth in a battle of wits.]]]] [[UpToEleven And to top it all off]], [[spoiler:due to him never mentioning any planned crimes in his correspondences, ''[[OffOnATechnicality he got away with almost everything scot-free!]]'']]
2nd Feb '17 1:11:02 PM MummyGaGa
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** [[spoiler: Junko Enoshima]] has the cast wrapped around her finger almost from beginning to end. Even all the moments where the cast thinks they've got the leg up on her, she knows what they're doing the whole time, and it's all according to plan (when she wants to follow the plan herself, at least.) The only reason she doesn't get away with everything she's doing is because Makoto is practically hope personified, compared to [[spoiler: Junko's]] status as despair personified. Even her defeat is [[TheBadGuysWins a victory for her because even though she's unable to sink the entire world into despair, she can just savor all that despair herself]].

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** [[spoiler: Junko Enoshima]] has the cast wrapped around her finger almost from beginning to end. Even all the moments where the cast thinks they've got the leg up on her, she knows what they're doing the whole time, and it's all according to plan (when she wants to follow the plan herself, at least.) The only reason she doesn't get away with everything she's doing is because Makoto is practically hope personified, compared to [[spoiler: Junko's]] status as despair personified. Even her defeat is [[TheBadGuysWins [[TheBadGuyWins a victory for her because even though she's unable to sink the entire world into despair, she can just savor all that despair herself]].
2nd Feb '17 1:10:30 PM MummyGaGa
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** [[spoiler: Junko Enoshima]] has the cast wrapped around her finger almost from beginning to end. Even all the moments where the cast thinks they've got the leg up on her, she knows what they're doing the whole time, and it's all according to plan (when she wants to follow the plan herself, at least.) The only reason she doesn't get away with everything she's doing is because Makoto is practically hope personified, compared to Junko's status as despair personified. Even her defeat is [[TheBadGuysWins a victory for her because even though she's unable to sink the entire world into despair, she can just savor all that despair herself]].

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** [[spoiler: Junko Enoshima]] has the cast wrapped around her finger almost from beginning to end. Even all the moments where the cast thinks they've got the leg up on her, she knows what they're doing the whole time, and it's all according to plan (when she wants to follow the plan herself, at least.) The only reason she doesn't get away with everything she's doing is because Makoto is practically hope personified, compared to Junko's [[spoiler: Junko's]] status as despair personified. Even her defeat is [[TheBadGuysWins a victory for her because even though she's unable to sink the entire world into despair, she can just savor all that despair herself]].
2nd Feb '17 1:09:54 PM MummyGaGa
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* [[spoiler: Nagito Komaeda]] from ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2'' probably loses some points for being clearly insane and hated by almost everyone, but he's also extremely intelligent, extremely bold, and a high caliber {{Troll}}. He often figures out key details of any given murder long before everyone else, is the first one to find out [[spoiler: the island's, as well as all the students' true natures]] and shows off that he can have the entire island wrapped around his finger whenever he so desires. [[spoiler: In the end, when trying to sniff out which of the students is TheMole, he devises a complicated assisted suicide plan wherein he tricks TheMole into accidentally killing him, part of it requiring nothing more than his own extreme [[BornLucky good luck]] to pull off. Upon hearing the plan in full, it's obviously an utterly insane plan that only somebody like Komaeda could possibly even ''dream'' of pulling off, and it goes off without a hitch...almost. The only thing that goes wrong is that TheMole was supposed to get away with the "murder" while everyone else dies, but in the end she outs herself and opts to let herself be convicted and executed instead.]]

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* Franchise/DanganRonpa
** [[spoiler: Junko Enoshima]] has the cast wrapped around her finger almost from beginning to end. Even all the moments where the cast thinks they've got the leg up on her, she knows what they're doing the whole time, and it's all according to plan (when she wants to follow the plan herself, at least.) The only reason she doesn't get away with everything she's doing is because Makoto is practically hope personified, compared to Junko's status as despair personified. Even her defeat is [[TheBadGuysWins a victory for her because even though she's unable to sink the entire world into despair, she can just savor all that despair herself]].
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[[spoiler: Nagito Komaeda]] from ''VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2'' probably loses some points for being clearly insane and hated by almost everyone, but he's also extremely intelligent, extremely bold, and a high caliber {{Troll}}. He often figures out key details of any given murder long before everyone else, is the first one to find out [[spoiler: the island's, as well as all the students' true natures]] and shows off that he can have the entire island wrapped around his finger whenever he so desires. [[spoiler: In the end, when trying to sniff out which of the students is TheMole, he devises a complicated assisted suicide plan wherein he tricks TheMole into accidentally killing him, part of it requiring nothing more than his own extreme [[BornLucky good luck]] to pull off. Upon hearing the plan in full, it's obviously an utterly insane plan that only somebody like Komaeda could possibly even ''dream'' of pulling off, and it goes off without a hitch...almost. The only thing that goes wrong is that TheMole was supposed to get away with the "murder" while everyone else dies, but in the end she outs herself and opts to let herself be convicted and executed instead.]]
** [[spoiler: Kokichi Oma]] from VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 manages to outsmart the BigBad of the game. He made extremely sure that he doesn't play the Killing Game the way the mastermind wants so he crashes with Kaede [[spoiler: and Shuuichi]] in the class trials because they dance right into the mastermind's game. He also manipulates Gonta to put everybody in one place so everybody can watch their motive videos and know just who they need to watch out for, trolls Maki into [[spoiler: revealing her true talent]], and even [[spoiler: organizes his own death]] so that the mastermind can be just as blind and powerless as the rest of the students. He also [[spoiler: caught on to Miu was doing in Chapter Four and manages to have her be killed before she could possibly send the other students to their deaths.
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21st Dec '16 2:45:58 PM Morgenthaler
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* [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Albert Wesker]], proof that one can be an ur-[[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] and a [[SuperStrength physically overwhelming]] badass ''[[GeniusBruiser at the same time]]''. Plus, there's, ya'know, the fact that he's never actually ''lost'' at his {{Evil Plan}}s. He never regrets a single life he takes or a single sin he commits. Conceited and power hungry, Wesker would do anything to become more powerful. He even pretended to act as TheDragon for Oswell E. Spencer, when he was really taking everything he had and making it all his own.

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* [[Franchise/ResidentEvil ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'': Albert Wesker]], Wesker, proof that one can be an ur-[[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] and a [[SuperStrength physically overwhelming]] badass ''[[GeniusBruiser at the same time]]''. Plus, there's, ya'know, the fact that he's never actually ''lost'' at his {{Evil Plan}}s. He never regrets a single life he takes or a single sin he commits. Conceited and power hungry, Wesker would do anything to become more powerful. He even pretended to act as TheDragon for Oswell E. Spencer, when he was really taking everything he had and making it all his own.
21st Dec '16 2:45:42 PM Morgenthaler
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* [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Albert Wesker]], proof that one can be an ur-[[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] and a [[SuperStrength physically overwhelming]] BadAss ''[[GeniusBruiser at the same time]]''. Plus, there's, ya'know, the fact that he's never actually ''lost'' at his {{Evil Plan}}s. He never regrets a single life he takes or a single sin he commits. Conceited and power hungry, Wesker would do anything to become more powerful. He even pretended to act as TheDragon for Oswell E. Spencer, when he was really taking everything he had and making it all his own.
** Before ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil5'' was released, many fans claimed that Wesker was [[ChessMaster too smart]], [[LightningBruiser too powerful]], and [[BadAss completely perfect]]. He had virtually [[DodgeTheBullet no weaknesses]], having [[GameBreaker both brains and brawn beyond that of normal humans]]. These same fans speculated that there would be no way to take Wesker down without the creators [[VillainDecay first toning him down.]]

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* [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Albert Wesker]], proof that one can be an ur-[[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] and a [[SuperStrength physically overwhelming]] BadAss badass ''[[GeniusBruiser at the same time]]''. Plus, there's, ya'know, the fact that he's never actually ''lost'' at his {{Evil Plan}}s. He never regrets a single life he takes or a single sin he commits. Conceited and power hungry, Wesker would do anything to become more powerful. He even pretended to act as TheDragon for Oswell E. Spencer, when he was really taking everything he had and making it all his own.
** Before ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil5'' was released, many fans claimed that Wesker was [[ChessMaster too smart]], [[LightningBruiser too powerful]], and [[BadAss [[VillainSue completely perfect]]. He had virtually [[DodgeTheBullet no weaknesses]], having [[GameBreaker both brains and brawn beyond that of normal humans]]. These same fans speculated that there would be no way to take Wesker down without the creators [[VillainDecay first toning him down.]]



* Jericho Swain of ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends''. Sure, he may look like a hobbling cripple with a cane, but this guy is ''in'' the League of Legends and therefore automatically BadAss, and has done such magnificent things as somehow convincing his superiors to TAKE A DEMOTION SO HE COULD COMMAND THEM. An entire plotline in the lore which involved the creation of Dominion, at least one new champion, Demacia and Noxus working together, and several Journals of Justice turned out to be all part of Swain's plan to take over Noxus, which succeeded before anyone truly realized, and once they did, they simply said that's fair. He got a new skin out of it too, Tyrant Swain, which makes him look like he should be the FinalBoss, that is if League Of Legends were that kind of game.

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* Jericho Swain of ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends''. Sure, he may look like a hobbling cripple with a cane, but this guy is ''in'' the League of Legends and therefore automatically BadAss, badass, and has done such magnificent things as somehow convincing his superiors to TAKE A DEMOTION SO HE COULD COMMAND THEM. An entire plotline in the lore which involved the creation of Dominion, at least one new champion, Demacia and Noxus working together, and several Journals of Justice turned out to be all part of Swain's plan to take over Noxus, which succeeded before anyone truly realized, and once they did, they simply said that's fair. He got a new skin out of it too, Tyrant Swain, which makes him look like he should be the FinalBoss, that is if League Of Legends were that kind of game.
21st Dec '16 9:44:15 AM Morgenthaler
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** Aria T'Loak doesn't get much opportunity to show it on-screen, but she is implied to be this in VideoGame/MassEffect2, since she's made the most WretchedHive in the galaxy have only one rule: "Don't fuck with Aria", and successfully juggled all the mercenaries, pirates and killers for ''centuries'' in order to stay on top, while still being something of a NobleDemon. It is also implied that she's Aleena, the asari who managed to fight [[{{Badass}} Urdnot Wrex]] to a draw, and that [[WorthyOpponent she deliberately changed her identity to avoid having to kill him.]] She then came to Omega as a dancer, until she ended up soundly defeating the previous ruler of Omega (also a [[MadeOfIron Krogan]]), and then kept him alive as an advisor/trophy, and when he is threatened she can (depending on the player) save his life without looking weak by seeming to care. She plays it further in the third game; even though she [[spoiler: gets forced off Omega by the aforementioned Illusive Man]], she moves to the Citadel to bide her time (apparently with very little loss of power and authority), and when she has trouble with immigration she simply calls the asari councillor, one of the most powerful people in the galaxy, and tells her to sort it out. She also fully recognises that it would be flat-out ''idiotic'' to focus solely on her own goals until the Reapers are defeated (thereby averting the WeAreStrugglingTogether that virtually everyone else, including the Illusive Man, is falling into,) and presents Shepard with various ways to gain the loyalty of three dangerous mercenary groups, (catering to all moral alignments in the process,) and also gets in some excellent [[DeadpanSnarker Deadpan Snarkery]] in the process.

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** Aria T'Loak doesn't get much opportunity to show it on-screen, but she is implied to be this in VideoGame/MassEffect2, since she's made the most WretchedHive in the galaxy have only one rule: "Don't fuck with Aria", and successfully juggled all the mercenaries, pirates and killers for ''centuries'' in order to stay on top, while still being something of a NobleDemon. It is also implied that she's Aleena, the asari who managed to fight [[{{Badass}} Urdnot Wrex]] Wrex to a draw, and that [[WorthyOpponent she deliberately changed her identity to avoid having to kill him.]] She then came to Omega as a dancer, until she ended up soundly defeating the previous ruler of Omega (also a [[MadeOfIron Krogan]]), and then kept him alive as an advisor/trophy, and when he is threatened she can (depending on the player) save his life without looking weak by seeming to care. She plays it further in the third game; even though she [[spoiler: gets forced off Omega by the aforementioned Illusive Man]], she moves to the Citadel to bide her time (apparently with very little loss of power and authority), and when she has trouble with immigration she simply calls the asari councillor, one of the most powerful people in the galaxy, and tells her to sort it out. She also fully recognises that it would be flat-out ''idiotic'' to focus solely on her own goals until the Reapers are defeated (thereby averting the WeAreStrugglingTogether that virtually everyone else, including the Illusive Man, is falling into,) and presents Shepard with various ways to gain the loyalty of three dangerous mercenary groups, (catering to all moral alignments in the process,) and also gets in some excellent [[DeadpanSnarker Deadpan Snarkery]] in the process.
15th Dec '16 7:23:26 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' brings the mysterious "That Man", also known as the Gearmaker [[spoiler: and by his real name, Asuka R. Kreutz]]. He shows a great deal of power as Sol and Baiken unsuccessfully attempt to strike him hown in their respective endings in XX. In Anji's ending he invites him to his side and later in XX Accent Core Plus hires him to track down and punish his [[CoDragons Co-Dragon]] I-No for all the trouble she's stirring up. He knows that Sol's ability to use Dragon Install could very well one day help to save mankind from a possible future threat. Not only that, his intentions also seem whole-hearted, as he appears to be full of remorse for everything that's happened during the Crusades. [[spoiler: Which is ultimately confirmed in the [=Xrd=] games, having been one of the creators of Gears (alongside Sol/Frederick and Aria/Justice) who's not trying to atone by creating a world where both humans and Gears can live in peace.]]

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* ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' brings the mysterious "That Man", also known as the Gearmaker [[spoiler: and by his real name, Asuka R. Kreutz]]. He shows a great deal of power as Sol and Baiken unsuccessfully attempt to strike him hown in their respective endings in XX. In Anji's ending he invites him to his side and later in XX Accent Core Plus hires him to track down and punish his [[CoDragons Co-Dragon]] I-No for all the trouble she's stirring up. He knows that Sol's ability to use Dragon Install could very well one day help to save mankind from a possible future threat. Not only that, his intentions also seem whole-hearted, as he appears to be full of remorse for everything that's happened during the Crusades. [[spoiler: Which is ultimately confirmed in the [=Xrd=] games, having been one of the creators of Gears (alongside Sol/Frederick and Aria/Justice) Aria/Justice/Jack O') who's not now trying to atone atone, by creating a world where both humans and Gears can live in peace.]]
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