History Literature / Tigana

16th Nov '17 10:08:54 AM Eievie
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* TheOneThatGotAway: Dianora to Baerd
-->''He lay silent in the grass thinking of her, and then, after a time, perhaps predictably, of Elena. And then, always and forever, certain as dawn or dusk or the turning of the seasons, of Dianora who was dead or lost to him somewhere in the world.''
14th Nov '17 2:28:18 PM Eievie
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** Also, [[spoiler:Isolla of Ygrath, the lover of Brandin's wife; the latter sent her to assassinate him.]]

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** Also, [[spoiler:Isolla of Ygrath, the lover of Brandin's wife; the latter sent her to assassinate him.]]
14th Nov '17 2:27:43 PM Eievie
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* BuryYourGays: [[spoiler:Tomasso doesn't last very long.]]

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* BuryYourGays: BuryYourGays:
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[[spoiler:Tomasso doesn't last very long.]]
14th Nov '17 1:26:45 PM Eievie
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* GoodPeopleHaveGoodSex[=/=]SexIsLiberation: The story plays with the idea of the intersection of sex and the opressed. While Tigana is in the grip of two foreign tyrants, the only forms of sex depicted are prostitution, rape, [[BrotherSisterIncest incest]], [[BondageIsBad BDSM]] or [[DistractedByTheSexy sex under false pretenses]]. Not until the people of Tigana prepare to rise up against their dictators is "healthy" sex depicted.
-->'''Guy Gavriel Kay''': The novelist Milan Kundera fed my emerging theme of oppression and survival with his musings about the relationship between conquered peoples and an unstable sexuality: what I have called "the insurrections of night." The underlying ideas, for me, had to do with how people rebel when they ''can't'' rebel, how we behave when the world has lost its bearings, how shattered self-respect can ripple through to the most intimate levels of our lives.



* {{Pride}}: Pride is a big theme in the book, and the pride of the people of Tigana in particular. It was because of their pride that they called their rulers princes, not dukes as the rest of the Palm did. It was because of their pride that they built the towers of Avalle. It was because of their pride that they fought and died at the River Deisa rather than surrender. It was because of their pride that Baerd shouted "Tigana! ''Tigana!'' TIGANA!" when he was 15, and got the shit beat out of him for it. This Tiganese pride is established very early on, in the prologue, when Valentin talks about it:

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* {{Pride}}: Pride is a big theme in the book, and the pride of the people of Tigana in particular. It was because of their pride that they called their rulers princes, not dukes as the rest of the Palm did. It was because of their pride that they built the towers of Avalle. It was because of their pride that they fought and died at the River Deisa rather than surrender. It was because of their pride that Baerd shouted "Tigana! ''Tigana!'' TIGANA!" when he was 15, and got the shit beat out of him See [[{{Analysis/Tigana}} Analysis]] for it.more. This Tiganese pride is established very early on, in the prologue, when Valentin talks about it:



* SexIsLiberation: The relationship between conquered peoples and an "unstable sexuality" is one of the themes of the book; how people rebel when they ''can't'' rebel. See [[{{Analysis/Tigana}} Analysis]] for more.



** The momentous first time “Tigana” is said, when Baerd tells it to Devin.

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** The momentous first time “Tigana” "Tigana" is said, when Baerd tells it to Devin.
9th Nov '17 3:00:30 PM Eievie
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* CanonWelding: Finavir, or Finvair--as Brandin explicitly points out, spellings vary--is very close to to [[Literature/TheFionavarTapestry Fionavar]]. The context it’s mentioned in also makes it very easy to believe they’re one and the same.

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* CanonWelding: CanonWelding[=/=]ShoutOut: Finavir, or Finvair--as Brandin explicitly points out, spellings vary--is very close to to [[Literature/TheFionavarTapestry Fionavar]]. The context it’s it's mentioned in also makes it very easy to believe they’re they're one and the same.



* CampGay: Tomasso. [[SubvertedTrope Except not really,]] he's actually [[InvokedTrope purposefully playing up the stereotype]] in order to [[ObfuscatingStupidity make people underestimate him.]]

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* CampGay: Tomasso. [[SubvertedTrope Except not really,]] really]], he's actually [[InvokedTrope purposefully playing up the stereotype]] in order to [[ObfuscatingStupidity make people underestimate him.]]
9th Nov '17 2:05:55 PM Eievie
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*CanonWelding: Finavir, or Finvair--as Brandin explicitly points out, spellings vary--is very close to to [[Literature/TheFionavarTapestry Fionavar]]. The context it’s mentioned in also makes it very easy to believe they’re one and the same.
-->'''Brandin''': In Ygrath the tale is sometimes told and sometimes believed that this world of ours, both here in the southern lands and north beyond the deserts and the rain forests--whatever lies there--is but one of many worlds the gods sent into Time. The others are said to be far off, scattered among the stars, invisible to us.
23rd Oct '17 4:42:11 PM Eievie
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* BigDamnReunion: [[spoiler:There are times when seems like there might be a moment at the end where Dianora and Baerd would meet again. It's bitterly subverted.]]
21st Oct '17 9:05:55 PM Eievie
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* AlienSky: Their world has two moons, Vidomni and Ilarion. The former is white, and the later blue.

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* AlienSky: AlienSky[=/=]WeirdMoon: Their world has two moons, Vidomni and Ilarion. The former is white, and the later blue.



* KickTheDog: Alessan binding Erlein
-->'''Erlein''': And what part of that little speech gives you rights over ''my'' life and death?\\
'''Alessan''': I have a duty. I must use what tools come to hand.\\
'''Erlein''': ''I am not a tool!'' I am a free and living soul with my own destiny!



* MercyKill: [[spoiler:He gives poison to his captured son Tomasso, to save him from being tortured and killed by Alberico.]]
-->'''Sandre''': This is the last thing I can do for you. If I were stronger I could do more, but at least they will not hurt you in the morning now. They will not hurt you any more, [[spoiler:my son]].



* ObfuscatingStupidity: More like obfuscating [[CampGay FABULOSITY]]; Tomasso is known to be gay and deliberately plays himself up as a stereotypical hedonistic fop to disguise the fact that he's actually highly intelligent and a member of LaResistance.

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* ObfuscatingStupidity: More like obfuscating [[CampGay FABULOSITY]]; Sandre and his son Tomasso together planned parallel cases of this for each of them, so they would both be underestimated. Sandre pretends to be a GrumpyOldMan and a drunk. Tomasso is known to be gay and deliberately plays himself up as a stereotypical hedonistic fop to disguise the fact that he's actually highly intelligent and a member of LaResistance. LaResistance.
-->'''Tomasso''': There are advantages to being seen as aimlessly degenerate.



* WeirdMoon: Two of them, one white, one blue.




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* YouRemindMeOfX: The riselka reminds Brandin of Dianora.
-->'''Brandin''': ''[as if it had just occurred to him]'' In fact, she reminded me of you.
21st Oct '17 8:02:51 PM Eievie
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* GoodPeopleHaveGoodSex: More a case of Free People Have Good Sex: while Tigana is in the grip of two foreign tyrants, the only forms of sex depicted are prostitution, rape, [[BrotherSisterIncest incest]], [[BondageIsBad BDSM]] or [[DistractedByTheSexy sex under false pretenses]]. Not until the Tiganans prepare to rise up against their dictators is [[http://www.brightweavings.com/ggkswords/andrews.htm "healthy" sex depicted]].

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* GoodPeopleHaveGoodSex: More a case GoodPeopleHaveGoodSex[=/=]SexIsLiberation: The story plays with the idea of Free People Have Good Sex: while the intersection of sex and the opressed. While Tigana is in the grip of two foreign tyrants, the only forms of sex depicted are prostitution, rape, [[BrotherSisterIncest incest]], [[BondageIsBad BDSM]] or [[DistractedByTheSexy sex under false pretenses]]. Not until the Tiganans people of Tigana prepare to rise up against their dictators is [[http://www.brightweavings.com/ggkswords/andrews.htm "healthy" sex depicted]].depicted.
-->'''Guy Gavriel Kay''': The novelist Milan Kundera fed my emerging theme of oppression and survival with his musings about the relationship between conquered peoples and an unstable sexuality: what I have called "the insurrections of night." The underlying ideas, for me, had to do with how people rebel when they ''can't'' rebel, how we behave when the world has lost its bearings, how shattered self-respect can ripple through to the most intimate levels of our lives.
21st Oct '17 7:40:03 PM Eievie
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* GoodBadGirl: Alienor is kind, helpful woman who kisses Alessan and flirts with both Catriana and Devin ''all within her first scene''.
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