History Literature / TheWiseMansFear

23rd Jun '17 9:30:25 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ACupAngst: Davi can't stop expressing her envy at Fela's bust.
23rd Jun '17 11:29:52 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ArtisticLicenseMartialArts: The martial art practiced by the Adem mercenaries, the Ketan, runs on artistic license. It's based on moral clarity rather than strength, size or physical coordination. Women, being more moral, are better fighters. The style is so effective that Celean, a 10-year-old girl presumably trained from birth, routinely manhandles the much larger and stronger Kvothe. In real life, size, strength and athletic talent are major factors in fighting skill. There's a reason why all combat sports are divided by gender, weight class and junior/adult division.

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* ArtisticLicenseMartialArts: The martial art practiced by the Adem mercenaries, the Ketan, runs on artistic license. It's based on moral clarity rather than strength, size or physical coordination. Women, being more moral, are better fighters. The style is so effective that Celean, a 10-year-old girl presumably trained from birth, routinely manhandles the much larger and stronger Kvothe. In real life, size, strength and athletic talent are major factors in fighting skill. There's a reason why all combat sports are divided by gender, weight class and junior/adult division.age.



* ChuckCunninghamSyndrome: Sovoy is a rare literary example. While popping up occasionally in the first book as one of Kvothe's school acquaintances, he's dropped completely out of the story in this book. In [[http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/05/rothfuss-reread-pat-answers-the-admissions-questions an interview]], the author joked that he now "lives on a farm out in the country now. He's happy there. He has pleny of room to run and play." This is the stereotypical lie parents tell their kids about pets that have been put down.



* WhatHappenedToTheMouse:
** Skarpi has yet to reappear.
** In [[http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/05/rothfuss-reread-pat-answers-the-admissions-questions a recent interview,]] the author has stated that [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Sovoy]] "lives on a farm out in the country now. He's happy there. He has pleny of room to run and play." This is the stereotypical lie parents tell their kids about pets that have been put down.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse:
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WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Skarpi has yet to reappear.
** In [[http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/05/rothfuss-reread-pat-answers-the-admissions-questions a recent interview,]] the author has stated that [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Sovoy]] "lives on a farm out in the country now. He's happy there. He has pleny of room to run
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23rd Jun '17 10:11:09 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* TheDreaded: The Cthaeh, a being that can see the future perfectly and is one of the most evil things in existence. It specializes in [[ButterflyOfDoom creating butterflies of doom]] by acting as a malicious oracle, telling visitors whatever truths will cause the most damage. And if that weren't enough, the flowers that surround it act as a panacea so there's always someone trying to talk to it. Bast says that he would rather fight all the Chandrian together than exchange ten words with Cthaeth. There is an ancient order of immortal Fae, wielding bows that can kill a man with perfect accuracy from half a mile off. Their ''only'' purpose is to make sure ''no one'' speaks to the Cthaeth, and no one even goes near anyone who went near it.

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* TheDreaded: The Cthaeh, a being that can see the future perfectly and is one DontExplainTheJoke: When Elodin asks his class for examples of the most evil things in existence. It specializes in [[ButterflyOfDoom creating butterflies of doom]] by acting as a malicious oracle, telling visitors whatever truths will cause the most damage. And if that weren't enough, the flowers can't be explained, one student supplies "humor," saying that surround it act as a panacea so there's always someone trying if you have to talk to it. Bast says that he would rather fight all the Chandrian together than exchange ten words with Cthaeth. There is an ancient order of immortal Fae, wielding bows that can kill explain a man with perfect accuracy from half joke, it's not longer a mile off. Their ''only'' purpose is to make sure ''no one'' speaks to the Cthaeth, and no one even goes near anyone who went near it.joke.


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* TheDreaded: The Cthaeh, a being that can see the future perfectly and is one of the most evil things in existence. It specializes in [[ButterflyOfDoom creating butterflies of doom]] by acting as a malicious oracle, telling visitors whatever truths will cause the most damage. And if that weren't enough, the flowers that surround it act as a panacea so there's always someone trying to talk to it. Bast says that he would rather fight all the Chandrian together than exchange ten words with Cthaeth. There is an ancient order of immortal Fae, wielding bows that can kill a man with perfect accuracy from half a mile off. Their ''only'' purpose is to make sure ''no one'' speaks to the Cthaeth, and no one even goes near anyone who went near it.
19th Apr '17 9:30:26 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ArtisticLicenseMartialArts: The martial art practiced by the Adem mercenaries, the Ketan, is so effective that Celean, a 10-year-old girl yet trained presumably from birth, routinely kicks the less experienced but still much larger and stronger Kvothe's ass. In real life, it would be difficult if not impossible for a child to manhandle a teenager the way she does to Kvothe, if only because his reach and strength advantages (added to his own basic knowledge of the art) would be enough to compensate the difference in skill. There's a reason why all combat sports are divided in weight classes and junior/adult divisions.

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* ArtisticLicenseMartialArts: The martial art practiced by the Adem mercenaries, the Ketan, runs on artistic license. It's based on moral clarity rather than strength, size or physical coordination. Women, being more moral, are better fighters. The style is so effective that Celean, a 10-year-old girl yet trained presumably trained from birth, routinely kicks manhandles the less experienced but still much larger and stronger Kvothe's ass. Kvothe. In real life, it would be difficult if not impossible for a child to manhandle a teenager the way she does to Kvothe, if only because his reach and size, strength advantages (added to his own basic knowledge of the art) would be enough to compensate the difference and athletic talent are major factors in fighting skill. There's a reason why all combat sports are divided in by gender, weight classes class and junior/adult divisions.division.



* BarefootSage[=/=]DoesNotLikeShoes: The HermitGuru Jax encounters in Hespe's story politely refuses Jax's offer of shoes, saying he has no need of them.

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* BarefootSage[=/=]DoesNotLikeShoes: BarefootSage:
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The HermitGuru Jax encounters in Hespe's story politely refuses Jax's offer of shoes, saying he has no need of them.
19th Apr '17 6:37:37 AM Cieloazul
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* ArtisticLicenseMartialArts: The Adem mercenaries practice a martial art that is so powerful that 10-year-old girls can kick the snot out of men. The Adem also claim that being morally superior makes women better fighters.

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* ArtisticLicenseMartialArts: The Adem mercenaries practice a martial art that practiced by the Adem mercenaries, the Ketan, is so powerful effective that Celean, a 10-year-old girls can kick girl yet trained presumably from birth, routinely kicks the snot out less experienced but still much larger and stronger Kvothe's ass. In real life, it would be difficult if not impossible for a child to manhandle a teenager the way she does to Kvothe, if only because his reach and strength advantages (added to his own basic knowledge of men. The Adem also claim that being morally superior makes women better fighters.the art) would be enough to compensate the difference in skill. There's a reason why all combat sports are divided in weight classes and junior/adult divisions.


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* RightMakesMight: The Adem also claim that being morally superior and having more self control makes women better fighters.
25th Feb '17 7:04:03 PM NanoMoose
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* AlchemyIsMagic: One of the courses taught at the University. It is very explicitly ''not'' "chemistry with a bit of magic," as shown when a fireproofing balm becomes extremely flammable when exposed to water--something that Kvothe thinks is a prank until he sees it with his own eyes.

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* AlchemyIsMagic: One of the courses taught at the University. It is very explicitly ''not'' "chemistry with a bit of magic," as shown when a fireproofing balm becomes extremely flammable when exposed to water--something water -- something that Kvothe thinks is a prank until he sees it with his own eyes.



* ApothecaryAlligator: Caudicus has one. It actually was his predecessor's. He admits he doesn't know why he had one, but kept it anyway. Kvothe is actually quite amused to see it.

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* ApothecaryAlligator: Caudicus has one. It was actually was his predecessor's. He admits he doesn't know why he had one, but kept it anyway. Kvothe is actually quite amused to see it.



** Kvothe at times. Sometimes he calls himself on it, as when he's complaining to Felurian that light acts like a wave, not thread, and then realizing how silly this is. Played straight with his reaction to the Lockless Box and the suggestion its sealed with magic, however. Its made pretty clear this is a mix of his university training and disdain for vintish superstition talking.

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** Kvothe at times. Sometimes he calls himself on it, as when he's complaining to Felurian that light acts like a wave, not thread, and then realizing how silly this is. it is to argue over such a thing while sitting in the fae's realm watching one of their most notorious figures sew with light. Played straight with his reaction to the Lockless Box and the suggestion its it's sealed with magic, however. Its It's made pretty clear this is a mix of his university training and disdain for vintish superstition talking.Vintish superstition.



--> I was one of '''those'''. I meddled with dark powers. I summoned demons. I ate the entire little cheese, including the rind.
** "Oh perfect, a musician on top of everything else." The Adem, part of whose hat is being TheStoic, consider musicians equivalent with prostitutes because they express their emotions. To a whole room. Again and again.

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--> I was one of '''those'''.''those''. I meddled with dark powers. I summoned demons. I ate the entire little cheese, including the rind.
** "Oh perfect, a musician on top of everything else." The Adem, part of whose hat is being TheStoic, consider musicians equivalent with prostitutes because they express their emotions. To a whole room.rooms. For ''money''. Again and again.



* AttemptedRape: Implied rather strongly with [[spoiler:Kvothe, in a flashback to his beggar-orphan days. He manages to fight them off, though he had failed to previously at least once, and the memory of it saves him from Felurian's mind control]]

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* AttemptedRape: Implied rather strongly with [[spoiler:Kvothe, in a flashback to his beggar-orphan days. He manages to fight them off, though he had failed to previously at least once, and the memory of it saves him from Felurian's mind control]] control.]]



** Kvothe continues to have trouble confessing his feelings to Denna
** It's implied that the reverse is also true in Wise Man's Fear making this a case of EveryoneCanSeeIt. Kvothe has started doing much as Denna is doing(slighty different in that she is mostly doing it to survive, and he doesn't do it for money/presents), i.e. Essentially becoming a ChivalrousPervert. He and Fela have a conversation about this wherein this exchange occurs:
-->'''Kvothe:''' I refuse to throw myself at her like every other man she's ever met. she hates it. I've seen what happens.

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** Kvothe continues to have trouble confessing his feelings to Denna
Denna.
** It's implied that the reverse is also true in Wise Man's Fear true, making this a case of EveryoneCanSeeIt. Kvothe has started doing much as Denna is doing(slighty doing (slightly different in that she is mostly doing it to survive, and he doesn't do it for money/presents), i.e. Essentially becoming a ChivalrousPervert.having brief relationships that end when the other individual realises Denna[=/=]Kvothe will never actually commit. He and Fela have a conversation about this wherein this exchange occurs:
-->'''Kvothe:''' I refuse to throw myself at her like every other man she's ever met. she She hates it. I've seen what happens.



* CantArgueWithElves: Because they'll stop teaching you if you do. During the time Kvothe spends with the Adem, they spend alot of time proclaiming their superiority to Kvothe and calling him a barbarian. Kvothe, who usually doesn't take shit from anybody, has to take it because otherwise they won't teach him the MagicalMartialArts he's become fascinated by. He doesn't even argue when they insist that sex has nothing to do with reproduction.
* TheCasanova: Subverted--Kvothe discovers that, even though AllWomenAreLustful, their idea of what constitutes a working relationship involves more emotional commitment than he can offer.

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* CantArgueWithElves: Because they'll stop teaching you if you do. During the time Kvothe spends with the Adem, they spend alot a lot of time proclaiming their superiority to Kvothe and calling him a barbarian. Kvothe, who usually doesn't take shit from anybody, has to take it because otherwise they won't teach him the MagicalMartialArts he's become fascinated by. He doesn't even argue when they insist that sex has nothing to do with reproduction.
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* TheCasanova: Subverted--Kvothe Subverted -- Kvothe discovers that, even though AllWomenAreLustful, as much as the ladies might be interested in him, their idea of what constitutes a working relationship involves more emotional commitment than he can offer.



** Kvothe works on an intricate and difficult bit of artificiery that uses a kind of chemical that can seep through the skin[[note]]This is a real thing, as is much of the magic in the story, albeit with fantastical effects. DMSO, or dimethyl sulfoxide is an example of such a delivery agent, many compounds will dissolve in it, and it moves readily through the skin, making it an effective delivery agent. It gets even worse when the sulfoxide group is replaced with mercury. The main researcher on dimethyl mercury had a drop of the compound fall on her rubber gloved hand, and was dead five months later of severe mercury poisoning.[[/note]], and the text stresses the danger when, after getting ''a single drop'' on his sleeve, he cautiously lifts the cloth away from his skin with tongs and cuts it off with scissors rather than risk touching it. Later, he's drugged using that exact same method.

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** Kvothe works on an intricate and difficult bit of artificiery that uses a kind of chemical that can seep through the skin[[note]]This skin,[[note]]This is a real thing, as is much of the magic in the story, albeit with fantastical effects. DMSO, or dimethyl sulfoxide is an example of such a delivery agent, many agent. Many compounds will dissolve in it, and it moves readily through the skin, making it an effective delivery agent. It gets even worse when the sulfoxide group is replaced with mercury. The main researcher on dimethyl mercury had a drop of the compound fall on her rubber gloved hand, and was dead five months later of severe mercury poisoning.[[/note]], [[/note]] and the text stresses the danger when, after getting ''a single drop'' on his sleeve, he cautiously lifts the cloth away from his skin with tongs and cuts it off with scissors rather than risk touching it. Later, he's drugged using that exact same method.



* ColdSniper: Kvothe singlehandedly kills 17 bandits from long distance using sympathy while in the Heart of Stone, which strips away the user's emotions.



* DarkerAndEdgier: Than the first book. YMMV, but Kvothe kills a ''lot'' of people in this book, and in some pretty nasty ways. Also, a lot more sex. The author got complaints about the sex. [[SkewedPriorities The violence death and torture, not so much.]]

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* DarkerAndEdgier: Than the first book. YMMV, but Kvothe kills a ''lot'' of people in this book, and in some pretty nasty ways. Also, a lot more sex. The author got complaints about the sex. sex, [[SkewedPriorities The but violence death and torture, not so much.torture? Apparently fine.]]



* TheDreaded: The Cthaeh, a being that can see the future perfectly and is one of the most evil things in existence. It specializes in [[ButterflyOfDoom creating butterflies of doom]] by acting as a malicious oracle, telling visitors whatever truths will cause the most damage. And if that weren't enough, the flowers that surround it act as a panacea so there's always someone trying to talk to it. Bast says that he would rather fight all the Chandrian together than exchange ten words with Cthaeth. There is an ancient order of immortal Fae, wielding bows that can kill a man with perfect accuracy from half a mile off. Their ''only'' purpose is to make sure '''no one''' speaks to the Cthaeth, and no one even goes near anyone who went near it.

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* TheDreaded: The Cthaeh, a being that can see the future perfectly and is one of the most evil things in existence. It specializes in [[ButterflyOfDoom creating butterflies of doom]] by acting as a malicious oracle, telling visitors whatever truths will cause the most damage. And if that weren't enough, the flowers that surround it act as a panacea so there's always someone trying to talk to it. Bast says that he would rather fight all the Chandrian together than exchange ten words with Cthaeth. There is an ancient order of immortal Fae, wielding bows that can kill a man with perfect accuracy from half a mile off. Their ''only'' purpose is to make sure '''no one''' ''no one'' speaks to the Cthaeth, and no one even goes near anyone who went near it.



** When Kvothe persuades Anne to let him try the stew while it's cooking, she says it wonít be her fault if his stomach starts aching. He laughs and says, "No, Mother, it wonít be your fault." [[spoiler: It will be his own fault, because he is secretly adding poison to it.]]

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** When Kvothe persuades Anne to let him try the stew while it's cooking, she says it wonít won't be her fault if his stomach starts aching. He laughs and says, "No, Mother, it wonít won't be your fault." [[spoiler: It will be his own fault, because he is secretly adding poison to it.]]



** He asks them if they know how to play "Piper Wit." When they donít, he picks up his lute and says, "Let me. Itís a song every one of us should know." [[spoiler: A real Ruh would have known the song.]]
** When they ask how long he will travel with them, he replies, "Until no one objects to my leaving." [[spoiler: After he kills them all, he asks their corpses if any of them object to his leaving.]]
** He declares, "I swear on my motherís milk, none of you will ever make a better deal than the one you made with me tonight." [[spoiler: None of the fake Ruh will survive to make another deal.]]

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** He asks them if they know how to play "Piper Wit." When they donít, don't, he picks up his lute and says, "Let me. Itís It's a song every one of us should know." [[spoiler: A real Ruh would have known the song.]]
** When they ask how long he will travel with them, he replies, "Until no one objects to my leaving." [[spoiler: After he kills them all, he asks their corpses if any of them object to his leaving. They don't.]]
** He declares, "I swear on my motherís mother's milk, none of you will ever make a better deal than the one you made with me tonight." [[spoiler: None of the fake Ruh will survive to make another deal.]]



* EloquentInMyNativeTongue: Subverted with Tempi. He speaks with broken grammar, yet seems to be very wise and knowledgeable. When Kvothe gets to Ademre, he finds out that most Adem can speak fluently, and that Tempi is rather dumb for an Adem.

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* EloquentInMyNativeTongue: Subverted with Tempi. He speaks with broken grammar, yet seems to be very wise and knowledgeable. When Kvothe gets to Ademre, he finds out that most Adem can speak fluently, and that Aturian fluently; Tempi is rather dumb for an Adem.exception.



* FailureHero: Kvothe believes this about himself which is why he is hiding out as an innkeeper.

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* FailureHero: Kvothe believes this about himself himself, which is why he is hiding out as an innkeeper.



* FamedInStory: Partly due to his own efforts, Kvothe is becoming this by the end of the book.

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* FamedInStory: Partly Kvothe, partly due to his own efforts, Kvothe is becoming this by the end of the book.efforts.



* GenreBlindness: Rather perplexeingly, given how [[GenreSavvy savvy]] he usually is, Kvothe does not realize that Elodin's inane and pointless requests are not designed to directly give answers, but to enable a person to find the answers themselves, until long after he has left the class. [[spoiler:This directly ties back to his FatalFlaw: impatience.]]

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* GenreBlindness: Rather perplexeingly, perplexingly, given how [[GenreSavvy savvy]] he usually is, Kvothe does not realize that Elodin's inane and pointless requests are not designed to directly give answers, but to enable a person to find the answers themselves, until long after he has left the class. [[spoiler:This directly ties back to his FatalFlaw: impatience.]]



* HornyDevils: Felurian magically causes men to be overwhelmingly attracted to her. She has sex with them until they go insane. Kvothe's memory of AttemptedRape saves him.

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* HornyDevils: Felurian magically causes men to be overwhelmingly attracted to her. She When she has sex them, either she exhausts them with her desires or discards them until they to go insane.insane with unfilled desire for her. Kvothe's memory of AttemptedRape saves him.



* ImpostorExposingTest: Kvothe casually asks [[spoiler:a band of Ruh]] if they know the song "Piper Wit." The fact that they do not confirms to him that they are not who they say they are.



** Type I: Kvothe chastises Ambrose about the danger of candles after he anonymously burns Ambrose's room. Echoes Ambrose's comment in The Name of the Wind when Ambrose tricks Kvothe into bringing a candle into the Archives.
-->'''Kvothe:''' "Candles are dangerous things. Honestly boy, I don't know what you were thinking. You'd think a member of the Arcanum would have more sense."

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** Type I: Kvothe chastises Ambrose about the danger of candles after he anonymously burns Ambrose's room. Echoes room, echoing Ambrose's comment in The ''The Name of the Wind Wind'' when Ambrose tricks Kvothe into bringing a candle into the Archives.
-->'''Kvothe:''' "Candles Candles are dangerous things. Honestly boy, I don't know what you were thinking. You'd think a member of the Arcanum would have more sense."



* LittleMissBadass: Kvothe is paired with a fighter of a comparable level of skill to his own. This turns out to be Celean, a little girl, no more than ten years old. [[spoiler:She wins. Over and over again.]]

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* LittleMissBadass: Kvothe is paired with a fighter of a comparable level of skill to his own. This turns out to be Celean, a little girl, girl no more than ten years old. [[spoiler:She wins. Over and over again.]]



* TheOmniscient: The Cthaeh, who can see all possible futures perfectly, and is "perfectly malicious." It knows the exact outcome of every single possible action it could ever make, and always chooses the one that will cause the most harm to the world. Bast describes people who come into contact with it as "plague ships sailing for a harbor," because their actions will [[ButterflyOfDoom set up terrible events to occur]]. Bast describes it as infinitely more dangerous than even the apparant BigBad of the series, the Chandrian. Chronicler, however, isn't quite as convinced that it can have as much influence as Bast believes. The Fae in general however are so afraid of it that they kill anyone who talks to it from out of hearing range. And then shoot the crows too.

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* TheOmniscient: The Cthaeh, who can see all possible futures perfectly, and is "perfectly malicious." It knows the exact outcome of every single possible action it could ever make, and always chooses the one that will cause the most harm to the world. Bast describes people who come into contact with it as "plague ships sailing for a harbor," because their actions will [[ButterflyOfDoom set up terrible events to occur]]. Bast describes it as infinitely more dangerous than even the apparant apparent BigBad of the series, the Chandrian. Chronicler, however, isn't quite as convinced that it can have as much influence as Bast believes. The Fae in general however are so afraid of it that they kill anyone who talks to it from out of hearing range. And then shoot the crows that come for the body, too.



* SecretTestOfCharacter: Kvothe casually asks [[spoiler:a band of Ruh]] if they know the song "Piper Wit." The fact that they do not confirms to him that they are not who they say they are.



** In [[http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/05/rothfuss-reread-pat-answers-the-admissions-questions a recent interview,]] the author has stated that [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Sovoy]] "lives on a farm out in the country now. Heís happy there. He has pleny of room to run and play." This is the stereotypical lie parents tell their kids about dead pets.

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** In [[http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/05/rothfuss-reread-pat-answers-the-admissions-questions a recent interview,]] the author has stated that [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Sovoy]] "lives on a farm out in the country now. Heís He's happy there. He has pleny of room to run and play." This is the stereotypical lie parents tell their kids about dead pets.pets that have been put down.
31st Jan '17 10:19:42 AM JustTroper
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** An aversion to footwear may be the [[MagicalBarefooter general trait of those who have the gift of Listening and/or Naming]]. [[BarefootLoon Auri]] and Elodin also have a penchant for going barefoot, and Auri also refused when Kvothe offered her shoes.
25th Jan '17 9:31:13 AM CrystalGlacia
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* FlippingTheBird: When Kvothe is in the process of trying to connect with Tempi, the two stop at a tavern and accidentally start a bar fight. One of the patrons makes a gesture "that you didn't need to be Adem to understand", shortly before Tempi makes short work of both the patron and their crew.
24th Nov '16 3:09:37 AM Morgenthaler
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->''"There are three things all [[TitleDrop wise men fear]]: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and [[BewareTheNiceOnes the anger of a gentle man.]]"''

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->''"There are three things all [[TitleDrop wise men fear]]: fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and [[BewareTheNiceOnes the anger of a gentle man.]]"''
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22nd Jun '16 3:02:14 AM bobfrank
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** "In order to survive, I begged for crusts, stole a man's shoes, and recited poetry. [[LampshadeHanging The last should demonstrate more than all the rest how truly desperate my situation became.]]"
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