History Literature / TheMistsOfAvalon

8th Nov '15 8:55:58 PM QueenMarine
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* CallingTheOldManOut: Mordred does this to [[spoiler: Morgause after Gareth is killed.]]



* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Despite her back-stabbing ways, Morgause is shown to genuinely care for Igraine, Morgaine, Lot and her sons to the point where [[spoiler: Gareth's death and Mordred's ReasonYouSuck speech leaves her shocked and broken.]]

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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Despite her back-stabbing ways, Morgause is shown to genuinely care for Igraine, Morgaine, Lot and her sons to the point where [[spoiler: Gareth's death and Mordred's ReasonYouSuck speech subsequent abandoning of her leaves her shocked and broken.]]
8th Nov '15 8:49:26 PM QueenMarine
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Despite her back-stabbing ways, Morgause is shown to genuinely care for Igraine, Morgaine, Lot and her sons to the point where [[spoiler: Gareth's death and Mordred's ReasonYouSuck speech leaves her shocked and broken.]]
8th Nov '15 8:35:49 PM QueenMarine
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* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: Pretty much all of the royal characters are shown either actively participating in leading their country or fighting in war
** Though, in Morgaine's case, it's both a straight and averted case; she is active in her tasks for Avalon, but she utterly neglects her duties as Duchess of Cornwall.
8th Nov '15 8:16:10 PM QueenMarine
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* MistakenForServant: In one scene, Viviane mistakes Morgaine for a servant girl when seeing her from behind, but quickly realizes her mistake upon seeing her clothes are made of expensive materials.
5th Oct '15 6:38:27 AM nanshe
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* AnachronismStew: Assuming that this story happened during the time the historical Patricius (AKA St. Patrick) was alive, it would have taken place in the 5th century. However:

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* AnachronismStew: Assuming that this story happened during the first wave of the invasions of the Angles and Saxons and the time the historical Patricius (AKA St. Patrick) was alive, it would have taken place in the 5th century. However:



** The Catholic priests profess belief in witchcraft. Up until the 14th century, however, the Catholic Church actually taught that witchcraft did not exist and that believing that human beings could have supernatural powers was itself heretical.

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** The Catholic priests profess belief in witchcraft. Up until the 14th century, however, the Catholic Church actually taught that witchcraft did not exist and that believing that human beings could have supernatural powers was itself heretical.
5th Oct '15 6:30:19 AM nanshe
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* AnachronismStew: Assuming that this story happened during the time the historical Patricius (AKA St. Patrick) was alive, it would have taken place in the 5th century AD. Yet the story talks about Moorish Spain. Muhammad (the founder of Islam) would not even be born till 597 AD. Islam was not founded till the 7th century AD. And Spain was not invaded by the Muslims till the 8th century AD!
** Minor example- but the book also talks about praying to Mary with a string of beads. In other words, a rosary. Which was invented by St. Dominic in the 13th century AD!

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* AnachronismStew: Assuming that this story happened during the time the historical Patricius (AKA St. Patrick) was alive, it would have taken place in the 5th century AD. Yet the story talks about century. However:
** There is mention made of
Moorish Spain. Muhammad (the founder of Islam) would not even be born till 597 AD. Islam was not founded till the 7th century AD. century. And Spain was not invaded by the Muslims till the 8th century AD!
century!
** Minor example- but the book There is also talks talk about praying to Mary with a string of beads. In other words, a rosary. Which was invented by St. Dominic in the 13th century AD! century.
** The Catholic priests profess belief in witchcraft. Up until the 14th century, however, the Catholic Church actually taught that witchcraft did not exist and that believing that human beings could have supernatural powers was itself heretical.
1st Oct '15 9:03:57 AM Tianzi
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* AffablyEvil: Morgause usually comes off as genuinely nicer than both of her sisters and often than Morgaine or Gwen as well. Not being HolierThanThou helps a lot.



* BeautyBrainsAndBrawn: The three sisters/maternal figures.
** Beauty: Morgause
** Brains: Viviane
** Brawn: Igraine



* DistressedDamsel: Gwenhwyfar

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* DistressedDamsel: GwenhwyfarGwenhwyfar.



* DressHitsFloor: (Miniseries version) Gwenhwyfar

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* DressHitsFloor: (Miniseries version) GwenhwyfarGwenhwyfar.



* DrunkOnTheDarkSide: Mordred
* TheDutifulSon: Arthur

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* DoubleStandard: All over the place and lampshaded with X-rays.
* DrunkOnTheDarkSide: Mordred
Mordred.
* TheDutifulSon: ArthurArthur.



* MrFanservice: In the miniseries, for sure: Accolon, Arthur, Lancelot
* EvilMatriarch: Morgause

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* MrFanservice: In the miniseries, for sure: Accolon, Arthur, Lancelot
Lancelot.
* EvilMatriarch: MorgauseMorgause.



* ForegoneConclusion: Since the entire story is, of course, based on Arthurian legend, anyone who has read them through will already know how several things will happen beforehand. even though they are told in a slightly different way

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* FemaleMisogynist: Gwen insists that women should StayInTheKitchen, that is, while [[{{Hypocrite}} bending Arthur to her will]]. It's however implied that it's mostly her self-loathing caused by her inability of having a child, she once accuses God of hating women and shows frequently a repressed envy of Morgaine and Morgause's freedom.
* ForegoneConclusion: Since the entire story is, of course, based on Arthurian legend, anyone who has read them through will already know how several things will happen beforehand. even though they are told in a slightly different wayway.
* GodSaveUsFromTheQueen: Any queen who refuses to StayInTheKitchen is seen in that way, and also the Ladies of the Lake. Gwen is looked upon unfavorably because of her affair with Lancelot, though it's probably the least harmful thing she's done.
* HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday: [[spoiler:Lancelot]] of all of people. Although he's attracted to women just fine, it's stated that he became a ladies man to prove to himself he wasn't gay after [[SituationalSexuality spending some time in the army]], he had allegedly composed a poem about love between two knights, and even his great love for [[spoiler:Gwen]] seems to be an outlet for his even greater love for her husband.
* HeManWomenHater: Gwen accuses ''[[RageAgainstHeavens the Christian God]]'' of being this.



* HolierThanThou: Gwenhwyfar's general attitude against anything Avalon-related. Balin and basically any priest with a speaking role as well. Viviane sometimes fulfills this role for the other side of the conflict.

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* HolierThanThou: Gwenhwyfar's general attitude against anything Avalon-related. Balin and basically any priest with a speaking role as well. Viviane sometimes fulfills this role for the other side of the conflict.conflict, and Morgaine comes to be just as bad.



* GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave: Morgause stays hot well into her forties, which wouldn't be that impressive in modern world, but she lives in the reality, when a 20 years old woman is "not that young" and a woman in her thirties is treated like an old lady.

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* GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave: Morgause stays hot well into her forties, which wouldn't be that impressive in modern world, but ''sixties'', and she lives in the reality, when a 20 years old woman is "not that young" and a woman in her thirties is treated like an old lady.lady. [[spoiler:She appears to hit the wall at the end of the book. Though it might be that this particular guard just weren't into older women]].
* ImAManIcantHelpIt: The standard even between heroic characters.



** Niniane, the last of Taliesin's daughters, sleeps with Mordred, who is ''her father's great-grandson'', and then with Arthur, Morderd's father and her father's grandson.



* KickTheDog: Morgaine's treatment of Uriens. [[spoiler: Even overlooking her affair with his son - after all, Uriens was also bedding other women, and at this point of the story the incest factor was ''really'' comparatively minor - she led two of his sons to death and then tried to kill the grieving father when he (quite correctly) blamed her.]]



* NeverMyFault: Mordred resents his biological parents because they abandoned him (despite the fact that Morgaine got him HappilyAdopted, and many other characters grew up in similar environments), and later Morgause who apparently "corrupted" him (we see them during his childhood and it appears like he is a cunning little brat whom she is trying to straighten out, ''and'' all of Morgause biological sons turned out fine), and finally it's all bad because of this damn Avalon and it's {{martiarchy}}!



* StrongFamilyResemblance: Viviane, Morgaine, Lancelot and Mordred; Igraine, Morgause and Niniane; Uther and Arthur; Gwen, Elaine, Galahad and Nimue...
* SuetifulAllAlong: Morgaine starts as believably plain, but then she gains that Avalon's {{glamour}}, and she is so sexy with the harp, and her voyages to parallel worlds make her younger longer than her peers...
* TangledFamilyTree: Avalon looks favorably at inbreeding.



* ToxicFriendInfluence: Gwen's constant jabbing about sin to Arthur really doesn't do anyone any good. Morgause is accused of being this to young Gwydion by the [[HolierThaThou tad judgmental]] Viviane and [[NeverMyFault Mordred himself]], but there isn't any proof. Morgaine is often accused of it as well, usually in regards to Arthur.
* TwoGuysAndAGirl: Take a guess.



* VillainProtagonist: Morgaine is usually the villain of Arthurian stories.

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* VillainProtagonist: Morgaine is usually the villain of Arthurian stories. Then in this story she appears to be a misunderstood heroine... before starting to look like a villain again, in the second half of the book.
29th Sep '15 3:12:57 PM Tianzi
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* BigFun: Gareth, of the muscular and height variety, once he grows up

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* BigFun: Gareth, of the muscular and height variety, once he grows upup.



* TheChessmaster: Viviane

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* TheChessmaster: VivianeViviane.
* ChickMagnet: Lancelot. Almost any woman (including one of his ''aunts'') who sees him, seems to lust after him.
** EvenTheGuysWantHim: And the nature of the men's admiration for him either is implied to, or explicitly stated to be homoerotic.



* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: Preparing a LovePotion for Lancelot, Morgaine wonders if it doesn't resemble rape for Elaine, despite the fact that she asked for that elixir (since Lancelot wouldn't be able to resist sex even if Elaine changed her mind). That's correct, but she doesn't sacrifice one though to how it would resemble rape for ''Lancelot''.



* HolierThanThou: Gwenhwyfar's general attitude against anything Avalon-related.

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* HolierThanThou: Gwenhwyfar's general attitude against anything Avalon-related. Balin and basically any priest with a speaking role as well. Viviane sometimes fulfills this role for the other side of the conflict.



* GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave: Morgause stays hot well into her forties, which wouldn't be that impressive in modern world, but she lives in the reality, when a 20 years old woman is "not that young" and a woman in her thirties is treated like an old lady.
* IncestIsRelative: Brace yourself.
** [[spoiler:Morgaine and Arthur]], who not only are half-siblings, but she was his mother figure in the childhood, conceive a child. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Viviane]] sees no problem with that.
** Morgaine's love for Lancelot, who is her first cousin; and she also was his CoolBigSis a few years prior.
** [[spoiler:Arthur and Lancelot]], who are also first cousins, apparently got interested in each other during this ThreeWaySex with [[spoiler:Gwenhwyfar]]. [[spoiler:Lancelot]] in particular is confused about the nature of his feelings for [[spoiler:Arthur]].
** Lot tried to bed Morgaine, his wife's niece. Morgause tried to bed Lancelot, ''her own'' nephew. Lot and Morgause were truly BirdsOfFeather.
** Meleager's attitude toward his "dear sister" Gwen seems disturbingly predatory. It culminates with [[spoiler:him raping her]]. And we never learn whether he was her half-brother or not.
** The examples of IncestSubtext and "both relatives sleeping with the same person" are simply too many to count.



* TooDumbToLive: Yes, Gwen, just go into the lair of your violent, power-hungry alleged half-brother barely escorted. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong.



* TheUnfavorite: Morgause, to the point that Viviane kicks her out of their HecateSisters assemble, counting Morgaine instead, and mentions several times, that she doesn't really trust and love her despite feeding her like her own baby. Of course, Viviane had some insight about who Morgause would become, but is hinted it's a bit of a SelfFulfillingProphecy - Morgaine (the only family member who liked Morgause) theorizes that her youngest aunt might have grown to become such an [[AmbitionIsEvil ambitious]] AttentionWhore precisely because nobody paid attention to her in her youth.

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* TheUnfavorite: Morgause, to the point that Viviane kicks her out of their HecateSisters TheHecateSisters assemble, counting Morgaine instead, and mentions several times, that she doesn't really trust and love her despite feeding her like her own baby. Of course, Viviane had some insight about who Morgause would become, but is hinted it's a bit of a SelfFulfillingProphecy - Morgaine (the only family member who liked Morgause) theorizes that her youngest aunt might have grown to become such an [[AmbitionIsEvil ambitious]] AttentionWhore precisely because nobody paid attention to her in her youth.youth.
* UnholyMatrimony: Lot and Morgause get along well. Sure, they are both philandering like there is no tomorrow, but they are both cool with the other one's cheating (Lot is about the only man in the book who doesn't invoke any kind of DoubleStandard here) and out of bed they ''like'' one another best. And they act as the RulingCouple in Lothien, with Lot admitting freely that his wife is as competent ruler as he is.
25th Sep '15 4:53:04 PM Tianzi
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* AnnoyingYongerSibling: Neither Igraine, nor Vivane has much patience for Morgause. Also Morgaine sees Arthur this way, until realizing that their mother didn't abandon her for him - she abandoned them both for Uther.

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* AnnoyingYongerSibling: AnnoyingYoungerSibling: Neither Igraine, nor Vivane has much patience for Morgause. Also Morgaine sees Arthur this way, until realizing that their mother didn't abandon her for him - she abandoned them both for Uther.
25th Sep '15 4:52:04 PM Tianzi
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* AnnoyingYongerSibling: Neither Igraine, nor Vivane has much patience for Morgause. Also Morgaine sees Arthur this way, until realizing that their mother didn't abandon her for him - she abandoned them both for Uther.



* LawfulStupid: Arthur, sometimes.
* IronLady: Viviane
* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Morgaine mostly gets over her crush on Lancelot and helps him to find a suitable bride

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* LawfulStupid: Arthur, sometimes.
InformedAttribute: We never see Gorlois treating Igraine as an equal, even before things between them go to hell.
* IronLady: Viviane
Viviane.
* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: Morgaine mostly gets over her crush on Lancelot and helps him to find a suitable bridebride.



* LawfulStupid: Arthur, sometimes.



* ManipulativeBitch: Viviane has a very no-nonsense approach to fulfilling The Goddess' will, down to [[spoiler:manipulate Morgaine and Arthur to commit incest and conceive a child out of it.]]



* TheUnchosenOne: While Igraine is horrified after learning that she has to marry for the second time and give a birth to TheChosenOne, and Morgaine is understandably even more horrified upon learning that her "destiny" was to [[spoiler:bang her brother and produce a child]], Morgause would love to pop up some destined children and even offers Igraine to marry Uther instead of her, but is shunned.
* TheUnfavorite: Morgause, to the point that Viviane kicks her out of their HecateSisters assemble, counting Morgaine instead, and mentions several times, that she doesn't really trust and love her despite feeding her like her own baby. Of course, Viviane had some insight about who Morgause would become, but is hinted it's a bit of a SelfFulfillingProphecy - Morgaine (the only family member who liked Morgause) theorizes that her youngest aunt might have grown to become such an [[AmbitionIsEvil ambitious]] AttentionWhore precisely because nobody paid attention to her in her youth.



* TwiceToldTale: While it is not strictly necessary to be familiar with Arthurian legend to enjoy the book, it makes a lot more sense if you know the basics of the legends.
* ValuesDissonance: Apparently religious prostitution is oh so much more enlightened than those awful Christians.

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* TwiceToldTale: While it is not strictly necessary to be familiar with Arthurian legend to enjoy the book, it makes a lot more sense if you know the basics of the legends.
* ValuesDissonance: Apparently religious prostitution is oh so much more enlightened than those awful Christians.
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