History Literature / MrsFrisbyAndTheRatsOfNIMH

29th Jan '16 10:33:19 PM grapesandmilk
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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.
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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is [[spoiler:is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.''Racso'']].
28th Nov '15 4:54:41 PM nombretomado
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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[TheSecretOfNIMH the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''TheSecretOfNIMH'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.
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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[TheSecretOfNIMH [[WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''TheSecretOfNIMH'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.
25th May '15 1:22:14 AM PaulA
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No potholes in page quotes. Trivia migration.
->''"You must go, Mrs. Frisby, to the rats under the rosebush. [[{{Understatement}} They are not, I think, like other rats]]."'' -->--'''The [[TheOwlKnowingOne Owl]]'''
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->''"You must go, Mrs. Frisby, to the rats under the rosebush. [[{{Understatement}} They are not, I think, like other rats]].rats."'' -->--'''The [[TheOwlKnowingOne Owl]]''' -->-- '''The Owl'''

* AuthorExistenceFailure: Robert C. O'Brien died only two years after this book was published. The [[{{sequel}} sequels]] to the first book are all written by his daughter.

* ScienceMarchesOn: Nowadays, anyone who's kept pet rats and knows their typical personality-types is likely to be disappointed by the scarcity of female rat characters, as actual female rats are ''much'' more active and quick to learn than adult males: they have to be, to find food for and tend their many, many offspring.
5th Apr '15 12:28:30 PM Silverblade2
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How To Create A Works Page "Things not to include: quality judgements (don't say how much it sucked/how awesome it was), critical reception (that's just a specific variant of quality judgements), recommendations (don't tell us whether or not we should check it out)"
It was written in [[TheSeventies 1971]] and made into a very loosely adapted [[AnimatedAdaptation animated feature-length film]] called ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH'' by celebrated director Creator/DonBluth. The film has mostly [[AdaptationDisplacement eclipsed]] the novel in terms of popularity and recognition, but the book itself remains a great piece of literature if the NewberyMedal is any indication. After O'Brien's death, there were a couple of semi-official [[{{sequel}} sequels]] written by his daughter, but the general consensus on their quality and where they fall in the [[FanonDiscontinuity continuity spectrum]] is variable. [[note]]Though, it should be noted that there seems to be a lot of misconceptions on the net about the actual content of her sequels[[/note]]
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It was written in [[TheSeventies 1971]] and made into a very loosely adapted [[AnimatedAdaptation animated feature-length film]] called ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH'' by celebrated director Creator/DonBluth. The film has mostly [[AdaptationDisplacement eclipsed]] the novel in terms of popularity and recognition, but the book itself remains a great piece of literature if the NewberyMedal is any indication. After O'Brien's death, there were a couple of semi-official [[{{sequel}} sequels]] written by his daughter, but the general consensus on their quality and where they fall in the [[FanonDiscontinuity continuity spectrum]] is variable. [[note]]Though, it should be noted that there seems to be a lot of misconceptions on the net about the actual content of her sequels[[/note]] daughter.
1st Apr '15 10:19:02 AM jmw211
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* TheDragon : The Fizgibbon's cat, appropriately named Dragon.
21st Mar '15 9:41:37 PM grapesandmilk
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* MrExposition: Nicodemus.

* NoControlGroup: Averted.
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* NoControlGroup: Averted. Averted. * NoodleIncident: Nicodemus mentions an incident in which he lost his eye. What exactly happened is never explained.
28th Feb '15 7:25:22 PM Homemaderat
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* InterspeciesRomance: Mrs. Frisby is a field mouse (which aren't proper mice at all, they're voles), but laboratory mice such as her husband are house mice. Although they have children, [[ArtisticLicenseBiology the two species aren't closely related enough to breed]].
5th Nov '14 11:28:21 AM gtking123
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Learning English in the lab
* AnimalTalk: The animals can understand humans and each other, but can't or don't talk to humans. This leads to a bit of FridgeLogic as to where exactly all these animals picked up English, and whether they can understand other human languages automatically as well.
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* AnimalTalk: The animals can understand humans and each other, but can't or don't talk to humans. This leads to a bit of FridgeLogic as to where exactly all these animals picked up English, English (justified for the rats, as they were taught it in the lab, but not for any of the others), and whether they can understand other human languages automatically as well.
1st Sep '14 2:54:34 PM MarkLungo
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The first and last third of the book are told from the (third person limited) perspective of Mrs. Frisby while the second third is a long flashback narrated by Nicodemus. The sections of the book focusing on Mrs. Frisby are mostly about trying to stay HomeSweetHome. The animals in that section are [[AnthropomorphicShift anthropomorphized]] quite a bit and all of them are rather [[IntellectualAnimal intelligent]], even without being uplifted. Nicodemus' chapters are quite different in tone, almost to the point of MoodWhiplash. His chapters deal with the escape of NIMH, and the animals in this chapter [[SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism are less human]] than those of Mrs. Frisby's. If read separately you would be forgiven for thinking it was from a different story. The NIMH chapters examine animal intelligence, the psychological [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman differences and similarities between humans and rats]], TheScientificMethod, and the philosophical ramifications of [[ShouldntYouStopStealing stealing]]. It was written in [[TheSeventies 1971]] and made into a very loosely adapted [[AnimatedAdaptation animated feature-length film]] called ''TheSecretOfNIMH'' by celebrated director Creator/DonBluth. The film has mostly [[AdaptationDisplacement eclipsed]] the novel in terms of popularity and recognition, but the book itself remains a great piece of literature if the NewberyMedal is any indication. After O'Brien's death, there were a couple of semi-official [[{{sequel}} sequels]] written by his daughter, but the general consensus on their quality and where they fall in the [[FanonDiscontinuity continuity spectrum]] is variable. [[note]]Though, it should be noted that there seems to be a lot of misconceptions on the net about the actual content of her sequels[[/note]]
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The first and last third of the book are told from the (third person limited) perspective of Mrs. Frisby while the second third is a long flashback narrated by Nicodemus. The sections of the book focusing on Mrs. Frisby are mostly about trying to stay HomeSweetHome. The animals in that section are [[AnthropomorphicShift anthropomorphized]] quite a bit and all of them are rather [[IntellectualAnimal intelligent]], even without being uplifted. Nicodemus' chapters are quite different in tone, almost to the point of MoodWhiplash. His chapters deal with the escape of NIMH, and the animals in this chapter [[SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism are less human]] than those of Mrs. Frisby's. If read separately you would be forgiven for thinking it was from a different story. The NIMH chapters examine animal intelligence, the psychological [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman differences and similarities between humans and rats]], TheScientificMethod, UsefulNotes/TheScientificMethod, and the philosophical ramifications of [[ShouldntYouStopStealing stealing]]. It was written in [[TheSeventies 1971]] and made into a very loosely adapted [[AnimatedAdaptation animated feature-length film]] called ''TheSecretOfNIMH'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH'' by celebrated director Creator/DonBluth. The film has mostly [[AdaptationDisplacement eclipsed]] the novel in terms of popularity and recognition, but the book itself remains a great piece of literature if the NewberyMedal is any indication. After O'Brien's death, there were a couple of semi-official [[{{sequel}} sequels]] written by his daughter, but the general consensus on their quality and where they fall in the [[FanonDiscontinuity continuity spectrum]] is variable. [[note]]Though, it should be noted that there seems to be a lot of misconceptions on the net about the actual content of her sequels[[/note]]

* TheScientificMethod: Shown accurately in the first book. They even use a [[NoControlGroup control group]]!
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* TheScientificMethod: UsefulNotes/TheScientificMethod: Shown accurately in the first book. They even use a [[NoControlGroup control group]]!

* ShownTheirWork: The section narrated by Nicodemus at least. It's very detailed and accurate about TheScientificMethod, [[LamarckWasRight the inherited effects of the experiments]] and the psychology of rats.
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* ShownTheirWork: The section narrated by Nicodemus at least. It's very detailed and accurate about TheScientificMethod, UsefulNotes/TheScientificMethod, [[LamarckWasRight the inherited effects of the experiments]] and the psychology of rats.
27th Aug '14 6:08:56 PM Homemaderat
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** This shows in a way a human ideal not matching up to the book's reality. Clearly the testing improved the rats in terms of intelligence, it's just normal animals weren't as dumb as the Nimh scientists had pegged them. And the result made the humans easily duped by the escaping rodents.
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