History Literature / MrsFrisbyAndTheRatsOfNIMH

17th Apr '16 1:58:25 PM Homemaderat
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* AmplifiedAnimalAptitude: The relative intelligence of ordinary animals almost undermines the NIMH storyline. Even ordinary animals can understand and even embrace concepts such as calendars and marriage. With difficulty they can even learn to read, which is a trait that is painted as something extraordinary in the NIMH chapters. On the other hand, baseline animals are (roughly) intellectual peers to Mrs. Frisby but not to Nicodemus.

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* AmplifiedAnimalAptitude: The relative intelligence of ordinary animals almost undermines presented here is an interesting thought. As non-uplifted animals aren't as dumb as the scientists at NIMH would have thought. While the NIMH storyline. Even ordinary animals can experiments did help the rats grow even more. As an example Mrs Frisby may understand and even embrace concepts such as calendars and marriage. With difficulty they can even learn to read, which is a trait that is painted as of marriage, moving or eat something extraordinary in and it makes you better, she doesn't know how to actually make the NIMH chapters. On medicine, work a cage door or even a light switch. Such things as the other hand, baseline uplifted animals are (roughly) intellectual peers show they have learned.
** It is mentioned Jonathan managed
to Mrs. Frisby teach her to read but not to Nicodemus.only though a lot of work and she still isn't that good at it. Which however he learns perfectly as an uplifted NIMH subject.
18th Mar '16 10:07:22 PM Chariset
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* AmplifiedAnimalAptitude: The relative intelligence of ordinary animals almost undermines the NIMH storyline. Even ordinary animals can understand and even embrace concepts such as calendars and marriage. With difficulty they can even learn to read, which is a trait that is painted as something extraordinary in the NIMH chapters. On the other hand, baseline animals are intellectual peers to Mrs. Frisby but not to Nicodemus).

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* AmplifiedAnimalAptitude: The relative intelligence of ordinary animals almost undermines the NIMH storyline. Even ordinary animals can understand and even embrace concepts such as calendars and marriage. With difficulty they can even learn to read, which is a trait that is painted as something extraordinary in the NIMH chapters. On the other hand, baseline animals are (roughly) intellectual peers to Mrs. Frisby but not to Nicodemus).Nicodemus.



** Mrs. Frisby does recall ''overhearing'' some other woodland creature being shot earlier in the year, and finds what might have been its stash of food, which she claims with a pragmatic shrug. After all, whoever it was doesn't need it now.
* TheDragon : The Fizgibbon's cat, appropriately named Dragon. It was an IronicNickname at first, but he grew into it.

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** Mrs. Frisby does recall ''overhearing'' some other woodland creature being shot earlier in the year, and finds what might have been its stash of food, which she claims with a pragmatic shrug. After all, whoever it was doesn't need it now.
* TheDragon : The Fizgibbon's cat, appropriately named Dragon. It was an IronicNickname at first, but he grew into it.



* ShouldntYouStopStealing: Nicodemus and the vast majority of rats recognize that stealing electricity and such is highly conspicuous and will only get more conspicuous as their population increases. They've even discovered a way to live [[TakeAThirdOption without having to hijack resources from humans]], but it would be harder and less comfortable at first. A dissenting group doesn't fear the repercussions and would rather continue stealing.

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* ShouldntYouStopStealing: Nicodemus and the vast majority of rats recognize that stealing electricity and such is highly conspicuous and will only get more conspicuous as their population increases. They've even discovered a way to live [[TakeAThirdOption without having to hijack resources from humans]], but it would be harder and less comfortable at first. A dissenting group doesn't fear the repercussions and would rather continue stealing.
18th Mar '16 10:06:43 PM Chariset
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The first and last third of the book are told from the (third person limited) perspective of Mrs. Frisby while the second third is a long flashback narrated by Nicodemus. The sections of the book focusing on Mrs. Frisby are mostly about trying to stay HomeSweetHome. The animals in that section are [[AnthropomorphicShift anthropomorphized]] quite a bit and all of them are rather [[IntellectualAnimal intelligent]], even without being uplifted. Nicodemus' chapters are quite different in tone, almost to the point of MoodWhiplash. His chapters deal with the escape of NIMH, and the animals in this chapter [[SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism are less human]] than those of Mrs. Frisby's. If read separately you would be forgiven for thinking it was from a different story. The NIMH chapters examine animal intelligence, the psychological [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman differences and similarities between humans and rats]], UsefulNotes/TheScientificMethod, and the philosophical ramifications of [[ShouldntYouStopStealing stealing]].

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The first and last third of the book are told from the (third person limited) perspective of Mrs. Frisby while the second middle third is a long flashback flashback, narrated by Nicodemus. The sections of the book focusing on Mrs. Frisby are mostly about concrete and down-to-earth: the humble realities of a humble creature trying to stay HomeSweetHome.save her family. The animals in that section are [[AnthropomorphicShift anthropomorphized]] quite a bit and all of them are rather [[IntellectualAnimal intelligent]], even without being uplifted. Nicodemus' chapters are quite different in tone, almost to the point of MoodWhiplash. His chapters deal with the their escape of NIMH, from NIMH and his intellectual journey afterward, and the animals in this chapter [[SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism are less human]] than those of Mrs. Frisby's. If read separately you would be forgiven for thinking it was from a different story. The NIMH chapters examine animal intelligence, the psychological [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman differences and similarities between humans and rats]], UsefulNotes/TheScientificMethod, and the philosophical ramifications of [[ShouldntYouStopStealing stealing]].



* AmplifiedAnimalAptitude: The relative intelligence of ordinary animals almost undermines the NIMH storyline. Even ordinarily stupid animals that have no connection to the rats can easily understand and even embrace concepts such as calendars and marriage. With difficulty they can even be taught literacy, which is a trait that is painted as something extraordinary in the NIMH chapters.
** This shows in a way a human ideal not matching up to the book's reality. Clearly the testing improved the rats in terms of intelligence, it's just normal animals weren't as dumb as the Nimh scientists had pegged them. And the result made the humans easily duped by the escaping rodents.

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* AmplifiedAnimalAptitude: The relative intelligence of ordinary animals almost undermines the NIMH storyline. Even ordinarily stupid ordinary animals that have no connection to the rats can easily understand and even embrace concepts such as calendars and marriage. With difficulty they can even be taught literacy, learn to read, which is a trait that is painted as something extraordinary in the NIMH chapters.
** This shows in a way a human ideal not matching up to
chapters. On the book's reality. Clearly the testing improved the rats in terms of intelligence, it's just normal other hand, baseline animals weren't as dumb as the Nimh scientists had pegged them. And the result made the humans easily duped by the escaping rodents.are intellectual peers to Mrs. Frisby but not to Nicodemus).



** Mrs. Frisby does recall ''overhearing'' some other woodland creature being shot earlier in the year, and finds its stash of food, although its name and even species are never revealed.
* TheDragon : The Fizgibbon's cat, appropriately named Dragon.

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** Mrs. Frisby does recall ''overhearing'' some other woodland creature being shot earlier in the year, and finds what might have been its stash of food, although its name and even species are never revealed.
which she claims with a pragmatic shrug. After all, whoever it was doesn't need it now.
* TheDragon : The Fizgibbon's cat, appropriately named Dragon. It was an IronicNickname at first, but he grew into it.



* [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Owls Have Standards]]: The old owl who lives deep in the forest preys on rodents, and could most likely make short work of a cat, but he is ''still'' of the opinion that [[CatsAreMean Dragon]] is something that animals should help each other out against. The owl also has a personal sense of hospitality that prevents him from harming visitors in his home, even small, edible, rodent-type visitors.

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* [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Owls Have Standards]]: The old owl who lives deep in the forest preys on rodents, and could most likely make short work of a cat, but he is ''still'' of the opinion that [[CatsAreMean Dragon]] is something that animals should help each other out against. The owl also has a [[SacredHospitality personal sense of hospitality hospitality]] that prevents him from harming visitors in his home, even small, edible, rodent-type visitors.no matter how edible.



* ExactEavesdropping: While held captive by the humans, Mrs. Frisby just happens to overhear a conversation about 'mechanized rats' killed trying to steal a motor, and how some scientist type is interested in coming to see the farm rat colony.



* GoneHorriblyRight: The result of the experiment on the rats and mice of NIMH.

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* GoneHorriblyRight: The result of the experiment on the rats and mice of NIMH.NIMH -- the rats became strong and smart enough to revolt.



* MalignantPlotTumor: The B plot about the rats of NIMH, which is easily the [[TropesAreNotBad best-written and most fascinating part of the book]].

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* MakeItLookLikeAnAccident: Non-lethal version -- when the rats free Mrs. Frisby from the birdcage, they loosen the door hinges to make it look like she pushed her way out on her own (rather than open the lock directly, which she would never be able to do).
* MalignantPlotTumor: The B plot about giving the backstory of the rats of NIMH, which is easily the [[TropesAreNotBad best-written and most fascinating part of the book]].



* SdrawkcabAlias: Racso.

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* SdrawkcabAlias: Racso.Racso, because 'Oscar' doesn't sound nearly as cool.



* ShouldntYouStopStealing: Nicodemus and the vast majority of rats recognize that stealing electricity and such is highly conspicuous and will only get more conspicuous as their population increases. They've even discovered a way to live [[TakeAThirdOption without having to hijack resources from humans]], but at the same time there is a small minority that doesn't fear the repercussions and would rather continue stealing.

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* ShouldntYouStopStealing: Nicodemus and the vast majority of rats recognize that stealing electricity and such is highly conspicuous and will only get more conspicuous as their population increases. They've even discovered a way to live [[TakeAThirdOption without having to hijack resources from humans]], but it would be harder and less comfortable at the same time there is a small minority that first. A dissenting group doesn't fear the repercussions and would rather continue stealing.
29th Jan '16 10:33:19 PM grapesandmilk
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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.

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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is [[spoiler:is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.''Racso'']].
28th Nov '15 4:54:41 PM nombretomado
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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[TheSecretOfNIMH the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''TheSecretOfNIMH'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.

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** Jenner, who is only the leader of a dissenting faction of rats, is only described in flashbacks and not even very well at that. He's killed offscreen and given a passing mention. In [[TheSecretOfNIMH [[WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh the movie]], he's given the role of [[BigBad major antagonist and full-on villain]], despite him only being [[GrumpyBear pessimistic and argumentative]] in the novel. Robert C. O'Brien's daughter, and the author of the sequel novels, was highly influenced by ''TheSecretOfNIMH'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'', which lead her to {{Retcon}} Jenner's death and promote him to a major part of a new character's backstory in the first sequel. He's even shown to be the father of a major character in one novel, which the character tries to hide due to worries over Jenner's controversial opinions. However, he still turns up very rarely, mostly in flashbacks, and is killed off-page during the climax of ''Racso''.
25th May '15 1:22:14 AM PaulA
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->''"You must go, Mrs. Frisby, to the rats under the rosebush. [[{{Understatement}} They are not, I think, like other rats]]."''
-->--'''The [[TheOwlKnowingOne Owl]]'''

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->''"You must go, Mrs. Frisby, to the rats under the rosebush. [[{{Understatement}} They are not, I think, like other rats]].rats."''
-->--'''The [[TheOwlKnowingOne Owl]]'''
-->-- '''The Owl'''



* AuthorExistenceFailure: Robert C. O'Brien died only two years after this book was published. The [[{{sequel}} sequels]] to the first book are all written by his daughter.



* ScienceMarchesOn: Nowadays, anyone who's kept pet rats and knows their typical personality-types is likely to be disappointed by the scarcity of female rat characters, as actual female rats are ''much'' more active and quick to learn than adult males: they have to be, to find food for and tend their many, many offspring.
5th Apr '15 12:28:30 PM Silverblade2
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It was written in [[TheSeventies 1971]] and made into a very loosely adapted [[AnimatedAdaptation animated feature-length film]] called ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH'' by celebrated director Creator/DonBluth. The film has mostly [[AdaptationDisplacement eclipsed]] the novel in terms of popularity and recognition, but the book itself remains a great piece of literature if the NewberyMedal is any indication. After O'Brien's death, there were a couple of semi-official [[{{sequel}} sequels]] written by his daughter, but the general consensus on their quality and where they fall in the [[FanonDiscontinuity continuity spectrum]] is variable. [[note]]Though, it should be noted that there seems to be a lot of misconceptions on the net about the actual content of her sequels[[/note]]

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It was written in [[TheSeventies 1971]] and made into a very loosely adapted [[AnimatedAdaptation animated feature-length film]] called ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH'' by celebrated director Creator/DonBluth. The film has mostly [[AdaptationDisplacement eclipsed]] the novel in terms of popularity and recognition, but the book itself remains a great piece of literature if the NewberyMedal is any indication. After O'Brien's death, there were a couple of semi-official [[{{sequel}} sequels]] written by his daughter, but the general consensus on their quality and where they fall in the [[FanonDiscontinuity continuity spectrum]] is variable. [[note]]Though, it should be noted that there seems to be a lot of misconceptions on the net about the actual content of her sequels[[/note]]
daughter.
1st Apr '15 10:19:02 AM jmw211
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* TheDragon : The Fizgibbon's cat, appropriately named Dragon.
21st Mar '15 9:41:37 PM grapesandmilk
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* MrExposition: Nicodemus.



* NoControlGroup: Averted.

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* NoControlGroup: Averted. Averted.
* NoodleIncident: Nicodemus mentions an incident in which he lost his eye. What exactly happened is never explained.
28th Feb '15 7:25:22 PM Homemaderat
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* InterspeciesRomance: Mrs. Frisby is a field mouse (which aren't proper mice at all, they're voles), but laboratory mice such as her husband are house mice. Although they have children, [[ArtisticLicenseBiology the two species aren't closely related enough to breed]].
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