History Literature / FiveLittlePigs

22nd Jul '16 9:55:15 AM Adept
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* BettyAndVeronica: Caroline (Betty), Amyas (Archie) and Elsa (Veronica)

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* BettyAndVeronica: Amyas Crale (the Archie) stands in the middle between his long-suffering wife, Caroline (Betty), Amyas (Archie) (the Betty) and his young, but glamorous, new model, Elsa (Veronica)(the Veronica).



* HiddenDepths: Meredith Blake discusses this trope in his personal recollection of the Crale Case by saying that people usually have hidden sides that no-one knows about. This is the reason why he believes that Amyas ''could'' have committed suicide, even though it would seem very out-of-character for him to do so.



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Both Caroline and Miss Williams [[spoiler:tried to protect someone in the name of what they thought was justice, but their lies caused the actual murderer, whom neither of them would want to shield, to get away]].

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Both Caroline and Miss Williams [[spoiler:tried tried to protect someone in the name of what they thought was justice, but their lies caused the actual murderer, whom neither of them would want to shield, to get away]].away.



* ReallyGetsAround: Amyas Crale had a lot of affairs, despite being married. [[spoiler:However, he only really loved his wife; the rest of the women meant nothing to him.]]



* StraightGay: [[spoiler: Philip Blake in the ''Series/{{Poirot}}'' adaption.]]

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* %%* StraightGay: [[spoiler: Philip Blake in the ''Series/{{Poirot}}'' adaption.]]



* WomanScorned: Gender-flipped with [[spoiler: Philip Blake, who wanted to make Caroline look as black as possible at least partially because she rejected him when they were young]].

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* WomanScorned: Gender-flipped with [[spoiler: Philip Blake, who wanted to make Caroline look as black as possible at least partially because she rejected him when they were young]].* YourCheatingHeart: Amyas Crale had a lot of affairs, despite being married. [[spoiler:However, he only really loved his wife; the rest of the women meant nothing to him.]]
16th Jul '16 12:39:48 PM GMantis
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* HeroicSacrifice: Played with: [[spoiler: Caroline Crayle ''thinks'' that she's doing this to spare Angela from the gallows and to [[TheAtoner atone]] for blinding her as a child, but as it turns out Angela is completely innocent and Caroline's sacrifice is needless. However, the peace and courage Caroline derives from what she thinks is this trope ironically serves to thwart Elsa by depriving her of any satisfaction she might have received from seeing her romantic rival be punished for her crime.]]

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* HeroicSacrifice: Played with: [[spoiler: Caroline Crayle ''thinks'' that she's doing this to spare Angela from the gallows prosecution for murder and to [[TheAtoner atone]] for blinding her as a child, but as it turns out Angela is completely innocent and Caroline's sacrifice is needless. However, the peace and courage Caroline derives from what she thinks is this trope ironically serves to thwart Elsa by depriving her of any satisfaction she might have received from seeing her romantic rival be punished for her crime.]]
16th Jul '16 9:23:10 AM DoctorNemesis
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* DoomedMoralVictor: Played with; while no one really believes that Caroline was innocent except for her daughter, many of the onlookers note that the way she accepted her fate was really quite impressive. [[spoiler: And she turns out to actually be this for Elsa, the real murderer; while Caroline ended up taking the fall for Elsa's crime, and Elsa herself goes on to marry into wealth and fame, the brave and dignified way she meets her fate serves to rob Elsa of any satisfaction she might have gained from seeing Caroline go down, and all the wealth and fame in the world don't end up making Elsa happy in the slightest.]]


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* HeroicSacrifice: Played with: [[spoiler: Caroline Crayle ''thinks'' that she's doing this to spare Angela from the gallows and to [[TheAtoner atone]] for blinding her as a child, but as it turns out Angela is completely innocent and Caroline's sacrifice is needless. However, the peace and courage Caroline derives from what she thinks is this trope ironically serves to thwart Elsa by depriving her of any satisfaction she might have received from seeing her romantic rival be punished for her crime.]]
15th Jul '16 8:26:42 PM Adept
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* AdaptationalInducedPlotHole: In the TV version, there's an added line in the argument between Amyas and Caroline, where the former announces that he's going to marry Elsa and that nothing would ever stop it from happening. [[spoiler:This makes TheReveal thatAmyas never intends to do anything of that sort]] a lot more unconvincing, and since the second flashback involving that scene has him say a completely different thing.



88 Meredith Blake's love for Caroline. [[spoiler: Subverted, however, because while he claims he's still in love with Caroline, reading his account of the crime makes it obvious he's actually in love with Elsa.]]

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88 Meredith Blake's love for Caroline. [[spoiler: Subverted, however, because while he claims he's still ** Both the Blake brothers in love with Caroline, reading his account of the crime makes it obvious he's actually in love with Elsa.]]and neither ever marries, even after her death.
15th Jul '16 7:59:22 PM Adept
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* AdaptationalInducedPlotHole: In the TV version, there's an added line in the argument between Amyas and Caroline, where the former announces that he's going to marry Elsa and that nothing would ever stop it from happening. [[spoiler:This makes TheReveal thatAmyas never intends to do anything of that sort]] a lot more unconvincing, and since the second flashback involving that scene has him say a completely different thing.
15th Jul '16 6:41:36 PM Adept
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* DeathByAdaptation: Well, she ''is'' dead by the start of both the novel and the ''Series/{{Poirot}}'' adaptation, but in the novel Caroline Crale got a life sentence and died a year later in prison, while the adaptation had her executed.
* DeathByWomanScorned: Played straight. [[spoiler:Also subverted, because it is not the woman we assume at first.]]

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* DeathByAdaptation: Well, she ''is'' dead by ClingyJealousGirl: Gender-inverted with Amyas. The infamous rows between the start couple is mostly not because of both the novel and the ''Series/{{Poirot}}'' adaptation, Amyas' frequent flings with other women, but in the novel because he's jealous that Caroline Crale got a life sentence and died a year later in prison, while the adaptation had seem to prioritise her executed.
sister Angela over him.
* DeathByWomanScorned: Played straight. [[spoiler:Also subverted, because it is not Amyas' womanising ways eventually got him murdered. [[spoiler:Elsa, one of his lovers, genuinely believed his claims when he told her that he'd leave his wife for her]]. Then she overheard the woman we assume at first.]] truth, got her heart broken, and killed Amyas in revenge.



* UnrequitedLoveLastsForever: Meredith Blake's love for Caroline. [[spoiler: Subverted, however, because while he claims he's still in love with Caroline, reading his account of the crime makes it obvious he's actually in love with Elsa.]]

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* UnrequitedLoveLastsForever: UnrequitedLoveLastsForever:
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Meredith Blake's love for Caroline. [[spoiler: Subverted, however, because while he claims he's still in love with Caroline, reading his account of the crime makes it obvious he's actually in love with Elsa.]]



* WomanScorned: [[spoiler: Subverted with Caroline, but played straight with Elsa.]]
** Gender-flipped with [[spoiler: Philip Blake, who wanted to make Caroline look as black as possible at least partially because she rejected him when they were young]].

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* WomanScorned: [[spoiler: Subverted with Caroline, but played straight with Elsa.]]
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Gender-flipped with [[spoiler: Philip Blake, who wanted to make Caroline look as black as possible at least partially because she rejected him when they were young]].
14th Jul '16 10:52:43 PM Adept
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* AdaptationNameChange: Carla's name is changed to "Lucy" in the TV adaptation.



* [[spoiler: {{Gayngst}}: Philip Blake in the ''Series/{{Poirot}}'' adaption. In the original his bitterness was because he was infatuated with Caroline.]]

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* %%* [[spoiler: {{Gayngst}}: Philip Blake in the ''Series/{{Poirot}}'' adaption. In the original his bitterness was because he was infatuated with Caroline.]]



* HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:Caroline pulls one to protect her sister, to whom she feels she owes it on account of having disfigured her as a baby.]]
** SenselessSacrifice: [[spoiler:Angela didn't commit the murder and Caroline ended up covering Elsa's crime]].
* IfICantHaveYou: The apparent motive for Amyas' murder. [[spoiler:And the actual motive too.]]

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* HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:Caroline pulls one to protect her sister, HeterosexualLifePartners: Philip Blake is Amyas's steadfast companion, to whom she feels she owes it on account of having disfigured her as a baby.]]
** SenselessSacrifice: [[spoiler:Angela didn't commit
Amyas would confide in whenever he has rows with his wife. Their relationship is less "heterosexual" in the murder and Caroline ended up covering Elsa's crime]].
2003 adaptation.
* IfICantHaveYou: The apparent motive for Amyas' murder. [[spoiler:And the actual motive too.]] Amyas is constantly having flings with numerous girls, and was apparently about to leave his wife and marry his latest model, Elsa Greer. This incident eventually leads to his being murdered.
13th Jul '16 9:18:20 PM Adept
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* AdaptationalSexuality: [[spoiler:Philip Blake is gay in the 2003 adaptation, and his long-term crush on Amyas replaces the original book's {{Gender Flip}}ped WomanScorned as the fuel for his resentment of Caroline

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* AdaptationalSexuality: [[spoiler:Philip Philip Blake is gay in the 2003 adaptation, and his long-term crush on Amyas replaces the original book's {{Gender Flip}}ped WomanScorned as the fuel for his resentment of Caroline



* SlapSlapKiss / KissKissSlap: Amyas and Caroline, constantly. Amyas had affairs and he had very nasty fights with Caroline, but despite this, they were very much in love. [[spoiler: Amyas never considered leaving her and she always forgave him.]]
** Also [[spoiler:Philip Blake's attitude toward Caroline]] in the book.

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* SlapSlapKiss / KissKissSlap: SlapSlapKiss: Amyas and Caroline, constantly. Amyas had affairs and he had very nasty fights with Caroline, but despite this, they were very much in love. [[spoiler: Amyas never considered leaving her and she always forgave him.]]
** Also [[spoiler:Philip Blake's attitude toward Caroline]] in the book.
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12th Jul '16 2:55:43 AM DoctorNemesis
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* AdaptationalSexuality: [[spoiler:Philip Blake is gay in the 2003 adaptation, and his long-term crush on Amyas replaces the original book's {{Gender Flip}}ped WomanScorned as the fuel for his resentment of Caroline.]]
* AdaptationalVillainy: Downplayed in the David Suchet adaptation; an unfortunate consequence of the change in Philip Blake's [[spoiler:sexuality. While in the original story he tried to seduce Caroline while her marriage was apparently on the rocks; in the adaptation it was she who tried to seduce him, and then taunted his homosexuality when he refused her, making her come across less sympathetically and rather out of character according to the original novel.]]

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* AdaptationalSexuality: [[spoiler:Philip Blake is gay in the 2003 adaptation, and his long-term crush on Amyas replaces the original book's {{Gender Flip}}ped WomanScorned as the fuel for his resentment of Caroline.]]
* AdaptationalVillainy: Downplayed in the David Suchet adaptation; an unfortunate consequence of the change in Philip Blake's [[spoiler:sexuality. While in the original story he tried to seduce
Caroline while her marriage was apparently on the rocks; in the adaptation it was she who tried to seduce him, and then taunted his homosexuality when he refused her, making her come across less sympathetically and rather out of character according to the original novel.]]



* AssholeVictim: Possibly subverted. Several characters sided with Caroline Crale when she was convicted of murdering her husband Amyas, since he was having an affair with his model - one of many. [[spoiler:It turns out he never intended to leave Caroline, and he was murdered by said model. It depends on the reader whether you think that the fact that he never intended to leave Caroline is enough to get Amyas out of the "Asshole" category, or if you think he's still an asshole for having an affair and letting Elsa think he loved her enough to leave his wife.]]

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* AssholeVictim: AssholeVictim:
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Possibly subverted. Several characters sided with Caroline Crale when she was convicted of murdering her husband Amyas, since he was having an affair with his model - one of many. [[spoiler:It turns out he never intended to leave Caroline, and he was murdered by said model. It depends on the reader whether you think that the fact that he never intended to leave Caroline is enough to get Amyas out of the "Asshole" category, or if you think he's still an asshole for having an affair and letting Elsa think he loved her enough to leave his wife.]] ]]
** Caroline herself gets a bit of this in the 2001 adaptation [[spoiler:due to the change in Philip Blake's sexuality. While in the original story he tried to seduce Caroline while her marriage was apparently on the rocks; in the adaptation it was she who tried to seduce him, and then taunted his homosexuality when he refused her, making her come across less sympathetically than she had been in the original novel.]]
12th Jul '16 2:51:59 AM DoctorNemesis
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* UnreliableNarrator: Each guest's account of the events leading up to the death of Amyas Crale is tainted by their own prejudices, things they want to keep hidden, or things they've simply forgotten or don't realize the significance of. For example, one guest casually remarks to Poirot about a minor prank that was once played on Amyas, only to later realize in shock that it was actually something that has occurred on the day of his death and which holds greater significance than anyone could have thought.
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