History Literature / Dinotopia

21st Nov '16 6:01:16 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ScienceMarchesOn: In general, the series is very good about taking actual science into account, but there are a number of instances that haven't aged well from a palaeontological perspective:
** The early books routinely depict theropods without feathers, such as Enit the [[RaptorAttack ''Deinonychus'']]. Most later books have them correctly shown with feathers.
** In the Dinotopian Olympics, one of the events involves riding ''Deinocheirus,'' which are portrayed as essentially oversized Film/JurassicPark -style ''Gallimimus.'' In reality, ''Deinocheirus'' looked [[http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/10/22/deinocheirus-exposed-meet-the-body-behind-the-terrible-hand/ very different.]]
** The pterosaurs probably get it the worst overall. The Skybax (supposedly a species of ''Quetzalcoatlus'') are portrayed as scaly, bipedal, and feeding on fish. We now know, however, that''Quetzalcoatlus'' was actually a stork-like terrestrial stalker of large land animals. Similarly, ''Dimorphodon'' is depicted as an agile, strong flyer (so much so that it's used as an InstantMessengerPigeon), rather than the relatively weak flyers they actually were.
21st Nov '16 6:00:21 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ShownTheirWork: Not that surprising, seeing how as James Gurney was already a well established paleoartist when he created the series.

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* ScienceMarchesOn: In general, the series is very good about taking actual science into account, but there are a number of instances that haven't aged well from a palaeontological perspective:
** The early books routinely depict theropods without feathers, such as Enit the [[RaptorAttack ''Deinonychus'']]. Most later books have them correctly shown with feathers.
** In the Dinotopian Olympics, one of the events involves riding ''Deinocheirus,'' which are portrayed as essentially oversized Film/JurassicPark -style ''Gallimimus.'' In reality, ''Deinocheirus'' looked [[http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/10/22/deinocheirus-exposed-meet-the-body-behind-the-terrible-hand/ very different.]]
** The pterosaurs probably get it the worst overall. The Skybax (supposedly a species of ''Quetzalcoatlus'') are portrayed as scaly, bipedal, and feeding on fish. We now know, however, that''Quetzalcoatlus'' was actually a stork-like terrestrial stalker of large land animals. Similarly, ''Dimorphodon'' is depicted as an agile, strong flyer (so much so that it's used as an InstantMessengerPigeon), rather than the relatively weak flyers they actually were.
* ShownTheirWork: Not that surprising, seeing how as James Gurney was already a well established paleoartist when he created the series.
15th Nov '16 8:33:47 PM Atreides
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* TooDumbToLive: In the mini-series, Waterfall City is about to be attacked by hundreds of thousands of viscous Pteradons. What should we tell the population to do - hide in their homes or in many of the large buildings? Nope, everyone gather in the open then run around like crazy when the aerial attackers arrive.

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* TooDumbToLive: In the mini-series, Waterfall City is about to be attacked by hundreds of thousands of viscous vicious Pteradons. What should we tell the population to do - hide in their homes or in many of the large buildings? Nope, everyone gather in the open then run around like crazy when the aerial attackers arrive.
15th Nov '16 8:32:51 PM Atreides
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* TooDumbToLive: In the mini-series, Waterfall City is about to be attacked by hundreds of thousands of viscous Pteradons. What should we tell the population to do - hide in their homes or in many of the large buildings? Nope, everyone gather in the open then run around like crazy when the aerial attackers arrive.
5th Nov '16 7:27:11 PM schoi30
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* {{Veganopia}}: Although this appears to have been retconned to mere [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism pescatarianism]].

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* {{Veganopia}}: Although this appears to have been retconned to mere Or rather [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism pescatarianism]].pescatarianism]], given fish and seafood is still fair game.
5th Nov '16 7:24:45 PM schoi30
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* CanonImmigrant: Many of the towns and locations featured in the Young Adult novel series appeared on the map of Dinotopia in ''Journey to Chandara''.

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Many of the towns and locations featured in the Young Adult novel series appeared on the map of Dinotopia in ''Journey to Chandara''.



* DemotedToExtra: Done to some extent to Will in ''Journey to Chandra''. Previously he'd had equal page time to his father, but in this he appeared fleetingly, twice. As might be expected, the role of his LoveInterest Sylvia was similarly reduced. Done much more severely to Oriana, who had been Arthur's traveling companion and budding LoveInterest in ''The World Beneath''. Neither of them are even mentioned at the end, when Arthur's reflecting over the places he's seen on the way.

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* DemotedToExtra: DemotedToExtra:
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Done to some extent to Will in ''Journey to Chandra''. Previously he'd had equal page time to his father, but in this he appeared fleetingly, twice. As might be expected, the role of his LoveInterest Sylvia was similarly reduced. Done much more severely to Oriana, who had been Arthur's traveling companion and budding LoveInterest in ''The World Beneath''. Neither of them are even mentioned at the end, when Arthur's reflecting over the places he's seen on the way.



* FramingDevice: ''First Flight'' is told as a story that Will is learning as part of his Skybax riding training.

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* FramingDevice: FramingDevice:
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''First Flight'' is told as a story that Will is learning as part of his Skybax riding training.



* NobleSavage: Stinktooth the ''Giganotosaurus'' protects Arthur and his friends from a ''Tyrannosaurus'' after he saves his son, and even helps Arthur stop Lee Crabb from escaping the island. The "savage" part comes from the fact that he's still a carnosaur that lives outside of civilization and presumably eats non-seafood meat.

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* NobleSavage: NobleSavage:
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Stinktooth the ''Giganotosaurus'' protects Arthur and his friends from a ''Tyrannosaurus'' after he saves his son, and even helps Arthur stop Lee Crabb from escaping the island. The "savage" part comes from the fact that he's still a carnosaur that lives outside of civilization and presumably eats non-seafood meat.



* NonHumanSidekick: Fritz the robohead to Gideon in ''First Flight''.

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* NonHumanSidekick: NonHumanSidekick:
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Fritz the robohead to Gideon in ''First Flight''.



* PredationIsNatural: Bix explains that Tyrannosaurs and the other carnosaurs in the Rainy Basin are not evil, just hungry by nature, with no taste for green food or diplomacy. Convoys traveling through their territory carry fish to stave them off long enough to get by. Some dinosaurs even make an end-of-life pilgrimage into the Rainy Basin, offering their bodies to the predators as a final act of service.

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* PredationIsNatural: Bix explains that Tyrannosaurs ''Tyrannosaurus'' and the other carnosaurs carnivorous dinosaurs in the Rainy Basin are not evil, just hungry by nature, with no taste for green food or diplomacy. Convoys traveling through their territory carry fish to stave them off long enough to get by. Some dinosaurs even make an end-of-life pilgrimage into the Rainy Basin, offering their bodies to the predators as a final act of service.



* PteroSoarer: Skybaxes, the ''Pteranodon'' guardians of the World Beneath and InstantMessengerPigeon ''Dimorphodon''. They have most of the inaccuracies seen in other depictions.

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* PteroSoarer: PteroSoarer:
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Skybaxes, the ''Pteranodon'' guardians of the World Beneath and InstantMessengerPigeon ''Dimorphodon''. They have most of the inaccuracies seen in other depictions.



* RaptorAttack: ''Hand of Dinotopia'' has a tribe of ''Deinonychus'' living on Culebra. They help out the protagonists in exchange for being taught how to fish.

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* RaptorAttack: RaptorAttack:
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''Hand of Dinotopia'' has a tribe of ''Deinonychus'' living on Culebra. They help out the protagonists in exchange for being taught how to fish.
12th Aug '16 2:27:30 AM Snicka
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* PredationIsNatural: Bix explains that Tyrannosaurs and the other carnosaurs in the Rainy Basin are not evil, just hungry by nature, with no taste for green food or diplomacy. Convoys traveling through their territory carry fish to stave them off long enough to get by. Some dinosaurs even make an end-of-life pilgrimage into the Rainy Basin, offering their bodies to the predators as a final act of service.
10th Jul '16 9:25:22 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CarnivoreConfusion: The series is one of the few works involving TalkingAnimal characters that openly addresses this issue and has, relatively speaking, a well thought-out approach to the problem. All carnivores have switched to a diet of [[NoCartoonFish fish]] and it's implied that those who can (most notably humans) have gone entirely over to veganism. The twist is that some animals refused to make the change and have exiled themselves to the Rainy Basin and Backwood Flats, where they live as their wild ancestors did (similar to The Wild in ''Webcomic/KevinAndKell''). Interestingly, this is treated by the major characters as more of an alternate lifestyle choice than a break of the rules and such characters are not vilified as one would expect. At least, not in the book. [[TheyJustDidntCare The movie]] is another story...

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* CarnivoreConfusion: The series is one of the few works involving TalkingAnimal characters that openly addresses this issue and has, relatively speaking, a well thought-out approach to the problem. All carnivores have switched to a diet of [[NoCartoonFish fish]] and it's implied that those who can (most notably humans) have gone entirely over to veganism. The twist is that some animals refused to make the change and have exiled themselves to the Rainy Basin and Backwood Flats, where they live as their wild ancestors did (similar to The Wild in ''Webcomic/KevinAndKell''). Interestingly, this is treated by the major characters as more of an alternate lifestyle choice than a break of the rules and such characters are not vilified as one would expect. At least, not in the book. [[TheyJustDidntCare The movie]] movie is another story...
27th Jun '16 3:38:05 PM DragonRanger
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* FunWithAcronyms: The Code of Dinotopia is a list of eleven proverbs (well, ten-and-a-half, given that much of the last line is missing) well-known among all Dinotopians. The first letter of each line put together makes a twelfth, "Sow good seed". (For what it's worth, the TV miniseries ruins the acronym, changing the lost line from "Don't p..." to "Fin...", full line "Find the light".)



* SpoofAesop: The Code of Dinotopia, a list of proverbs, has its last line cut off at "Don't p..." Some Dinotopians have he suggested that the line might be "Don't pee in the bath." [[spoiler:In actuality, code eleven is "Don't put out the light."]]

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* SpoofAesop: The Code of Dinotopia, a list of proverbs, has its last line cut off at "Don't p..." Some Dinotopians have he suggested that the line might be "Don't pee in the bath." [[spoiler:In actuality, code eleven is "Don't put out the light."]]"
31st Mar '16 11:09:52 PM schoi30
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* NobleSavage: Stinktooth the ''Giganatosaurus'' protects Arthur and his friends from a ''Tyrannosaurus'' after he saves his son, and even helps Arthur stop Lee Crabb from escaping the island. The "savage" part comes from the fact that he's still a carnosaur that lives outside of civilization and presumably eats non-seafood meat.

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* NobleSavage: Stinktooth the ''Giganatosaurus'' ''Giganotosaurus'' protects Arthur and his friends from a ''Tyrannosaurus'' after he saves his son, and even helps Arthur stop Lee Crabb from escaping the island. The "savage" part comes from the fact that he's still a carnosaur that lives outside of civilization and presumably eats non-seafood meat.



* NonMaliciousMonster: The carnosaurs of the Rainy Basin. Bix describes them as "hungry by nature, with no stomach for civilization"

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* NonMaliciousMonster: The carnosaurs carnivores of the Rainy Basin. Bix describes them as "hungry by nature, with no stomach for civilization"



* PteroSoarer: Skybaxes, the ''Pteranodon'' guardians of the World Beneath and InstantMessengerPigeon ''Dimorphodon''. They have most of the inaccuracies seen in other depictions.
** The TV miniseries makes a glaring error by portraying the ''Dimorphodons'' as birds, with feathers, toothless beaks and everything.



* PrecociousCrush: Will Denison is the subject of this, from a T. Rex hatchling of all things.
* PrehistoricMonster: Utterly averted. Most of the dinosaurs are wise and peaceful, and they are 'all'' sentient. Even the uncivilized carnosaurs of the Rainy Basin are not above negotiating with any travelers who try to buy safe passage with offerings of fish.

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* PrecociousCrush: Will Denison is the subject of this, from a T. Rex rex hatchling of all things.
* PrehistoricMonster: Utterly averted. Most of the dinosaurs are wise and peaceful, and they are 'all'' sentient. Even the uncivilized tyrannosaurs and carnosaurs of the Rainy Basin are not above negotiating with any travelers who try to buy safe passage with offerings of fish.fish.
* PteroSoarer: Skybaxes, the ''Pteranodon'' guardians of the World Beneath and InstantMessengerPigeon ''Dimorphodon''. They have most of the inaccuracies seen in other depictions.
** The TV miniseries makes a glaring error by portraying the ''Dimorphodons'' as birds, with feathers, toothless beaks and everything.
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