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15th Jul '17 9:46:46 PM CJCroen1393
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* DragonRider: Essentially what the Skybax riders are, being a fleet that rides on the backs of large flying reptiles.
16th Jun '17 8:53:36 AM xcountryguy
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** ''Hand of Dinotopia'' [[spoiler: reveals that this is exactly what happened the last time contact was made by the outside world]].

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** ''Hand of Dinotopia'' [[spoiler: reveals [[spoiler:reveals that this is exactly what happened the last time contact was made by the outside world]].



** Justified by character development: several of the pirates, especially the first mate, are established over the course of the story to be tired of piracy, or to have been forced into that life by outside circumstances. The more observant also notice that the era of traditional piracy is ending, and so are open to an alternative to being killed in combat or hung. Only the captain and two most bloodthirsty crewmen refuse to bend. [[spoiler: They end up being eaten by tyrannosaurs.]]

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** Justified by character development: several of the pirates, especially the first mate, are established over the course of the story to be tired of piracy, or to have been forced into that life by outside circumstances. The more observant also notice that the era of traditional piracy is ending, and so are open to an alternative to being killed in combat or hung. Only the captain and two most bloodthirsty crewmen refuse to bend. [[spoiler: They [[spoiler:They end up being eaten by tyrannosaurs.]]
11th May '17 2:58:40 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''Dinotopia: A Land Apart from Time'' - Arthur Denison and his son William are shipwrecked and brought via dolphins to Dinotopia. With their new ''Protoceratops'' translator Bix, they travel across the island and learn about its culture and customs. Arthur learns about the scientific achievements of the Dinotopians, while Will and his new LoveInterest Sylvia train to be [[DragonRider Skybax riders]] together. Has a ChekhovsGunman in Lee Crabb, a cranky dinosaur-hating man who becomes a recurring villain in later books.
* ''Dinotopia: The World Beneath'' - Arthur Denison leads an expedition into the World Beneath to explore an AdvancedAncientAcropolis. He finds a new LoveInterest who accompanies him on the expedition and Lee Crabb tags along, hoping to find riches in the lost city underneath and perhaps a way off the island.
* ''Dinotopia: First Flight'' - A {{Prequel}} to the other books that takes place in ancient times. Gideon Altaire is a citizen of the technologically advanced city of Poseidos who is discontent with living in a culture of artificial dinosaurs. He discovers a ''Scaphognatus'' named Razzamult who tells him of a plan to invade the Dinotopian mainland and replace all the dinosaurs there with robots. Gideon rescues a group of captive pterosaurs, steals the [[MineralMacGuffin Ruby Sunstone]] that powers the attack force, and escapes to the mainland. There he [[GoingNative Goes Native]] to help repel the invasion, in the process becoming the first human to ride a pterosaur.
* ''Dinotopia: Journey to Chandara'' - Arthur Denison's exploits have caught the attention of the [[ShroudedInMyth mysterious]] emperor of the isolated city of Chandara. He and Bix are invited to tour the city, but their invitations are stolen by none other than Lee Crabb, forcing them to sneak past the border guards and find their way into the city through other means. Along the way, they meet a variety of people and dinosaurs.

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* ''Dinotopia: A Land Apart from Time'' - Time'': Arthur Denison and his son William are shipwrecked and brought via dolphins to Dinotopia. With their new ''Protoceratops'' translator Bix, they travel across the island and learn about its culture and customs. Arthur learns about the scientific achievements of the Dinotopians, while Will and his new LoveInterest Sylvia train to be [[DragonRider Skybax riders]] together. Has a ChekhovsGunman in Lee Crabb, a cranky dinosaur-hating man who becomes a recurring villain in later books.
* ''Dinotopia: The World Beneath'' - Beneath'': Arthur Denison leads an expedition into the World Beneath to explore an AdvancedAncientAcropolis. He finds a new LoveInterest who accompanies him on the expedition and Lee Crabb tags along, hoping to find riches in the lost city underneath and perhaps a way off the island.
* ''Dinotopia: First Flight'' - Flight'': A {{Prequel}} to the other books that takes place in ancient times. Gideon Altaire is a citizen of the technologically advanced city of Poseidos who is discontent with living in a culture of artificial dinosaurs. He discovers a ''Scaphognatus'' named Razzamult who tells him of a plan to invade the Dinotopian mainland and replace all the dinosaurs there with robots. Gideon rescues a group of captive pterosaurs, steals the [[MineralMacGuffin Ruby Sunstone]] that powers the attack force, and escapes to the mainland. There he [[GoingNative Goes Native]] to help repel the invasion, in the process becoming the first human to ride a pterosaur.
* ''Dinotopia: Journey to Chandara'' - Chandara'': Arthur Denison's exploits have caught the attention of the [[ShroudedInMyth mysterious]] emperor of the isolated city of Chandara. He and Bix are invited to tour the city, but their invitations are stolen by none other than Lee Crabb, forcing them to sneak past the border guards and find their way into the city through other means. Along the way, they meet a variety of people and dinosaurs.



* ''Dinotopia Lost'' - The pirate ship ''Condor'' and its captain Brognar Blackstrap lands on Dinotopia, threatening the peaceful ways of the entire island. They kidnap a family of ''Struthiomimus'' and unknowingly take them into the Rainy Basin, home of the ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. Furthering complicating things, the pirates also capture a baby rex, upsetting the balance of power amongst the saurians of the Basin and Will Denison and his ''Protoceratops'' sidekick [[DeadpanSnarker Chaz]] must rescue the captives and stop Blackstrap's crew.
* ''Hand of Dinotopia'' - Will's fiance Sylvia Romano disappears off in search of the legendary Hand of Dinotopia, supposedly a way to get off the island. Teaming up with Chaz again, Will heads off to find her and later joins her in her quest for the Hand.

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* ''Dinotopia Lost'' - Lost'': The pirate ship ''Condor'' and its captain Brognar Blackstrap lands on Dinotopia, threatening the peaceful ways of the entire island. They kidnap a family of ''Struthiomimus'' and unknowingly take them into the Rainy Basin, home of the ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. Furthering complicating things, the pirates also capture a baby rex, upsetting the balance of power amongst the saurians of the Basin and Will Denison and his ''Protoceratops'' sidekick [[DeadpanSnarker Chaz]] must rescue the captives and stop Blackstrap's crew.
* ''Hand of Dinotopia'' - Dinotopia'': Will's fiance Sylvia Romano disappears off in search of the legendary Hand of Dinotopia, supposedly a way to get off the island. Teaming up with Chaz again, Will heads off to find her and later joins her in her quest for the Hand.



* [[ActionizedSequel Actionized Prequel]]: ''First Flight'' features flying car chases, explosions and an aerial battle between pterosaur riders and a giant robot scorpion.

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* [[ActionizedSequel Actionized Prequel]]: ActionizedSequel: ''First Flight'' Flight'', although technically a prequel to the first two books despite being released later, features flying car chases, explosions and an aerial battle between pterosaur riders and a giant flying robot scorpion.



** The idea behind the dinosaur language was sound, at least at first. The first book stated fairly early that most dinosaurs speak their own language because they lack the physical structures to speak human languages. Protoceratops and the smaller pterosaurs are the few exceptions, having more parrot-like vocal cords that allow them to pronounce human languages: its why the dimorphodons are used to relay messages, and Bix is an ambassador, able to speak several languages. The skybaxes have different vocal structures again, and so have their own language. A side-plot of the book ''Windchaser'' is the that the eponymous skybax is the first of his kind to learn human languages, and becoming a translator for the skybax.
** Though it should be noted that by "dinosaur language", the first book meant a universal language for all dinosaur species; something very close to the definition of Animal Talk except, as noted above, specific to your Linnean classification. (In other words, imagine humans talking with cats talking with whales talking with aardvarks talking with fruitbats talking with desmostylans talking with tapirs talking with... and it's easy to see why Gurney retconned this.)
* AnthropomorphicShift: Gurney strongly dislikes it when animal characters act too human, particularly when it leads to FurryConfusion. He has written [[http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/02/animal-characters-4-animal-morphism.html extensively in his blog]] and in his nonfiction book ''Imaginative Realism'' about how he himself has struggled to avoid this. However, a few of the spinoff novels and ''each'' of the films have featured animal characters that are indeed anthropomorphic or nearly so (the TV movie and series goes ahead and gives an animal character human-like hands). This may be one of the key factors in the CanonDiscontinuity...
** There are a few feathered dinosaurs in ''Journey to Chandra'' who appear to have human-like thumbs, but this is a pretty common mistake in paleoart.

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** The idea behind the dinosaur language was sound, at least at first. The first book stated fairly early that most dinosaurs speak their own language because they lack the physical structures to speak human languages. Protoceratops and the smaller pterosaurs are the few exceptions, having more parrot-like vocal cords that allow them to pronounce human languages: its it's why the dimorphodons are used to relay messages, messages and why Bix is an ambassador, able to as she can speak several languages. The skybaxes have different vocal structures again, and so have their own language. A side-plot of the book ''Windchaser'' is the that the eponymous skybax is the first of his kind to learn human languages, and becoming a translator for the skybax.
** Though it It should be noted that by "dinosaur language", the first book meant a universal language for all dinosaur species; something very close to the definition of Animal Talk except, as noted above, specific to your Linnean classification. (In other words, imagine humans talking with cats talking with whales talking with aardvarks talking with fruitbats talking with desmostylans talking with tapirs talking with... and it's easy to see why Gurney retconned this.)
* AnthropomorphicShift: Gurney strongly dislikes it when animal characters act too human, particularly when it leads to FurryConfusion. He has written [[http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/02/animal-characters-4-animal-morphism.html extensively in his blog]] and in his nonfiction book ''Imaginative Realism'' about how he himself has struggled to avoid this. However, a few of the spinoff novels and ''each'' of the films have featured animal characters that are indeed anthropomorphic or nearly so (the TV movie and series goes ahead and gives an animal character human-like hands). This may be one of the key factors in the CanonDiscontinuity...
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CanonDiscontinuity. While there are a few feathered dinosaurs in ''Journey to Chandra'' who appear to have human-like thumbs, but this is a pretty common mistake in paleoart.



* AuthorAvatar - Arthur Dennison is in the not-even-subtle-about-it category, particularly in ''Journey to Chandara''.

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* AuthorAvatar - AuthorAvatar: Arthur Dennison is in the not-even-subtle-about-it category, particularly in ''Journey to Chandara''.



* BeneathTheEarth: The World Beneath.

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* BeneathTheEarth: The World Beneath.Beneath, a vast system of caves running beneath most of Dinotopia.



* BigDoor: The entrance to the World Beneath is one of these.

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* BigDoor: The entrance to the World Beneath proper from the sea caves Arthur's team accesses it from is one of these.



* CallARabbitASmeerp: Every prehistoric creature is called by its scientific name... except for the {{Giant Flyer}}s with the red-black-white color scheme, who are called Skybaxes by everyone. When huge pterosaurs came and rescued Arthur and Crabb at the end of ''The World Beneath'', these were identified as ''Quetzalcoatlus northropi'', and looked distinct from the skybaxes also present. It wasn't until the third book when it was mentioned in passing that skybaxes are Quetzalcoatlus, but not usually called that. For some reason.
** Arthur identifies a Skybax as a Quetzalcoatlus "The most magnificent flying creature of all", right from the first time he sees one. The reason for their being two different species is likely because, when Guerney was illustrating the first book, fossils of Quetzalcoatlus were sketchy at best and some of the existing illustrations at the time were wildly inaccurate (as a side-note, a lot of Quetzelcoatlus reconstructions looked like monstrous {{Giant Flyer}}s). The ''Q. northropies'' were probably included for safety's sake.

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* CallARabbitASmeerp: Every prehistoric creature is called by its scientific name... except for the {{Giant Flyer}}s with the red-black-white color scheme, who are called Skybaxes by everyone. When huge pterosaurs came and rescued Arthur and Crabb at the end of ''The World Beneath'', these were identified as ''Quetzalcoatlus northropi'', and looked distinct from the skybaxes also present. It wasn't until While the third book when it was mentioned in passing that skybaxes are Quetzalcoatlus, but not usually called that. For some reason.
** Arthur identifies a Skybax
identified as a Quetzalcoatlus "The most magnificent flying creature of all", right ''Quetzalcoatlus'' (technically the made-up species ''Quetzalcoatlus skybax'') from the first time he Arthur sees one. The one, the reason for their there being two different species is likely because, when Guerney was illustrating the first book, fossils of Quetzalcoatlus ''Quetzalcoatlus'' were sketchy at best and some of the existing illustrations at the time were wildly inaccurate (as inaccurate, so using a side-note, a lot of Quetzelcoatlus reconstructions looked like monstrous {{Giant Flyer}}s).made-up species circumnavigated this issue. The ''Q. northropies'' were probably included for safety's sake.
14th Apr '17 11:09:23 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** The animated film throws these away into the trash. The Dinotopians go back to preferring life without technology and are shown to be aware of the outside world and its changes, but have grown fearful of them and use sunstones to keep the island hidden. The carnivores revert back to being sentient, even {{NobleSavage}}s like in the books.

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** The animated film throws these away into the trash. The Dinotopians go back to preferring life without technology and are shown to be aware of the outside world and its changes, but have grown fearful of them and use sunstones to keep the island hidden. The carnivores revert back to being sentient, even {{NobleSavage}}s {{Noble Savage}}s like in the books.
17th Jan '17 12:28:20 PM Xtifr
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* '''''Dinotopia: A Land Apart from Time''''' - Arthur Denison and his son William are shipwrecked and brought via dolphins to Dinotopia. With their new ''Protoceratops'' translator Bix, they travel across the island and learn about its culture and customs. Arthur learns about the scientific achievements of the Dinotopians, while Will and his new LoveInterest Sylvia train to be [[DragonRider Skybax riders]] together. Has a ChekhovsGunman in Lee Crabb, a cranky dinosaur-hating man who becomes a recurring villain in later books.
* '''''Dinotopia: The World Beneath''''' - Arthur Denison leads an expedition into the World Beneath to explore an AdvancedAncientAcropolis. He finds a new LoveInterest who accompanies him on the expedition and Lee Crabb tags along, hoping to find riches in the lost city underneath and perhaps a way off the island.
* '''''Dinotopia: First Flight''''' - A {{Prequel}} to the other books that takes place in ancient times. Gideon Altaire is a citizen of the technologically advanced city of Poseidos who is discontent with living in a culture of artificial dinosaurs. He discovers a ''Scaphognatus'' named Razzamult who tells him of a plan to invade the Dinotopian mainland and replace all the dinosaurs there with robots. Gideon rescues a group of captive pterosaurs, steals the [[MineralMacGuffin Ruby Sunstone]] that powers the attack force, and escapes to the mainland. There he [[GoingNative Goes Native]] to help repel the invasion, in the process becoming the first human to ride a pterosaur.
* '''''Dinotopia: Journey to Chandara''''' - Arthur Denison's exploits have caught the attention of the [[ShroudedInMyth mysterious]] emperor of the isolated city of Chandara. He and Bix are invited to tour the city, but their invitations are stolen by none other than Lee Crabb, forcing them to sneak past the border guards and find their way into the city through other means. Along the way, they meet a variety of people and dinosaurs.

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* '''''Dinotopia: ''Dinotopia: A Land Apart from Time''''' Time'' - Arthur Denison and his son William are shipwrecked and brought via dolphins to Dinotopia. With their new ''Protoceratops'' translator Bix, they travel across the island and learn about its culture and customs. Arthur learns about the scientific achievements of the Dinotopians, while Will and his new LoveInterest Sylvia train to be [[DragonRider Skybax riders]] together. Has a ChekhovsGunman in Lee Crabb, a cranky dinosaur-hating man who becomes a recurring villain in later books.
* '''''Dinotopia: ''Dinotopia: The World Beneath''''' Beneath'' - Arthur Denison leads an expedition into the World Beneath to explore an AdvancedAncientAcropolis. He finds a new LoveInterest who accompanies him on the expedition and Lee Crabb tags along, hoping to find riches in the lost city underneath and perhaps a way off the island.
* '''''Dinotopia: ''Dinotopia: First Flight''''' Flight'' - A {{Prequel}} to the other books that takes place in ancient times. Gideon Altaire is a citizen of the technologically advanced city of Poseidos who is discontent with living in a culture of artificial dinosaurs. He discovers a ''Scaphognatus'' named Razzamult who tells him of a plan to invade the Dinotopian mainland and replace all the dinosaurs there with robots. Gideon rescues a group of captive pterosaurs, steals the [[MineralMacGuffin Ruby Sunstone]] that powers the attack force, and escapes to the mainland. There he [[GoingNative Goes Native]] to help repel the invasion, in the process becoming the first human to ride a pterosaur.
* '''''Dinotopia: ''Dinotopia: Journey to Chandara''''' Chandara'' - Arthur Denison's exploits have caught the attention of the [[ShroudedInMyth mysterious]] emperor of the isolated city of Chandara. He and Bix are invited to tour the city, but their invitations are stolen by none other than Lee Crabb, forcing them to sneak past the border guards and find their way into the city through other means. Along the way, they meet a variety of people and dinosaurs.



* '''''Dinotopia Lost''''' - The pirate ship ''Condor'' and its captain Brognar Blackstrap lands on Dinotopia, threatening the peaceful ways of the entire island. They kidnap a family of ''Struthiomimus'' and unknowingly take them into the Rainy Basin, home of the ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. Furthering complicating things, the pirates also capture a baby rex, upsetting the balance of power amongst the saurians of the Basin and Will Denison and his ''Protoceratops'' sidekick [[DeadpanSnarker Chaz]] must rescue the captives and stop Blackstrap's crew.
* '''''Hand of Dinotopia''''' - Will's fiance Sylvia Romano disappears off in search of the legendary Hand of Dinotopia, supposedly a way to get off the island. Teaming up with Chaz again, Will heads off to find her and later joins her in her quest for the Hand.

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* '''''Dinotopia Lost''''' ''Dinotopia Lost'' - The pirate ship ''Condor'' and its captain Brognar Blackstrap lands on Dinotopia, threatening the peaceful ways of the entire island. They kidnap a family of ''Struthiomimus'' and unknowingly take them into the Rainy Basin, home of the ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. Furthering complicating things, the pirates also capture a baby rex, upsetting the balance of power amongst the saurians of the Basin and Will Denison and his ''Protoceratops'' sidekick [[DeadpanSnarker Chaz]] must rescue the captives and stop Blackstrap's crew.
* '''''Hand ''Hand of Dinotopia''''' Dinotopia'' - Will's fiance Sylvia Romano disappears off in search of the legendary Hand of Dinotopia, supposedly a way to get off the island. Teaming up with Chaz again, Will heads off to find her and later joins her in her quest for the Hand.
6th Jan '17 2:30:46 PM schoi30
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* HonorableElephant: The mammoths and other proboscideans that live on the Forbidden Mountains.
21st Nov '16 6:01:16 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ScienceMarchesOn: In general, the series is very good about taking actual science into account, but there are a number of instances that haven't aged well from a palaeontological perspective:
** The early books routinely depict theropods without feathers, such as Enit the [[RaptorAttack ''Deinonychus'']]. Most later books have them correctly shown with feathers.
** In the Dinotopian Olympics, one of the events involves riding ''Deinocheirus,'' which are portrayed as essentially oversized Film/JurassicPark -style ''Gallimimus.'' In reality, ''Deinocheirus'' looked [[http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/10/22/deinocheirus-exposed-meet-the-body-behind-the-terrible-hand/ very different.]]
** The pterosaurs probably get it the worst overall. The Skybax (supposedly a species of ''Quetzalcoatlus'') are portrayed as scaly, bipedal, and feeding on fish. We now know, however, that''Quetzalcoatlus'' was actually a stork-like terrestrial stalker of large land animals. Similarly, ''Dimorphodon'' is depicted as an agile, strong flyer (so much so that it's used as an InstantMessengerPigeon), rather than the relatively weak flyers they actually were.
21st Nov '16 6:00:21 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ShownTheirWork: Not that surprising, seeing how as James Gurney was already a well established paleoartist when he created the series.

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* ScienceMarchesOn: In general, the series is very good about taking actual science into account, but there are a number of instances that haven't aged well from a palaeontological perspective:
** The early books routinely depict theropods without feathers, such as Enit the [[RaptorAttack ''Deinonychus'']]. Most later books have them correctly shown with feathers.
** In the Dinotopian Olympics, one of the events involves riding ''Deinocheirus,'' which are portrayed as essentially oversized Film/JurassicPark -style ''Gallimimus.'' In reality, ''Deinocheirus'' looked [[http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/10/22/deinocheirus-exposed-meet-the-body-behind-the-terrible-hand/ very different.]]
** The pterosaurs probably get it the worst overall. The Skybax (supposedly a species of ''Quetzalcoatlus'') are portrayed as scaly, bipedal, and feeding on fish. We now know, however, that''Quetzalcoatlus'' was actually a stork-like terrestrial stalker of large land animals. Similarly, ''Dimorphodon'' is depicted as an agile, strong flyer (so much so that it's used as an InstantMessengerPigeon), rather than the relatively weak flyers they actually were.
* ShownTheirWork: Not that surprising, seeing how as James Gurney was already a well established paleoartist when he created the series.
15th Nov '16 8:33:47 PM Atreides
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* TooDumbToLive: In the mini-series, Waterfall City is about to be attacked by hundreds of thousands of viscous Pteradons. What should we tell the population to do - hide in their homes or in many of the large buildings? Nope, everyone gather in the open then run around like crazy when the aerial attackers arrive.

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* TooDumbToLive: In the mini-series, Waterfall City is about to be attacked by hundreds of thousands of viscous vicious Pteradons. What should we tell the population to do - hide in their homes or in many of the large buildings? Nope, everyone gather in the open then run around like crazy when the aerial attackers arrive.
15th Nov '16 8:32:51 PM Atreides
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* TooDumbToLive: In the mini-series, Waterfall City is about to be attacked by hundreds of thousands of viscous Pteradons. What should we tell the population to do - hide in their homes or in many of the large buildings? Nope, everyone gather in the open then run around like crazy when the aerial attackers arrive.
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