History Literature / AsianSaga

5th Oct '17 8:46:36 AM Galvatron29
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* DespairEventHorizon: Tyler Brock hits it when he [[spoiler: casts Tess out of the family after she elopes with Culum (due to Struan's machinations]].
2nd Oct '17 2:44:35 AM Galvatron29
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** Shows Dirk Struan's savvy as backstory in ''Noble House''. In ''Tai-Pan'' one of the pirate Wu Fang Choi's conditions when presenting the half-coin is for a Clipper ship as in Struan's fleet - one which will be the terror of merchant shipping in the area. However, while Fang Choi specifies the build, crewing and delivery time involved, he doesn't specify what's to happen after the ship is delivered, which Struan realises in the novel and we later find out in ''Noble House'' his successor Culum acted on and sank the ship after delivery. Notably, in an odd case of GracefulLoser, Wu's descendant Four Finger Wu considers it his fault for not making his deal with the coin absolutely perfect and forseeing such an eventuality.


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** Can also apply to Scragger in the novel, as he's appalled Wu Kwok made him give his word of honor in a situation where neither Struan nor Wu Kwok ever expected Wu to keep it, and sells out his boss in revenge by giving Struan his base's location. As Scragger was the only Westerner to have contact with Struan in their dealings, it leads to Scragger being horrifically tortured to death when Wu Kwok survives.
28th Sep '17 10:20:25 AM isolato
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* MarriedAtSea: In ''Gai-Jin'' Malcolm Struan and Angelique Richaud are married by Captain Marlowe of HMS ''Pearl''. They are still minors (20 and 18, respectively) and Tess Struan [[ParentalMarriageVeto forbade the marriage]] suspecting that Angelique was a GoldDigger, so church wedding was not an option. On the other hand, Naval Regulations [[LoopholeAbuse does not mention limit of age or parental consent]] in its section on shipboard weddings...

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* MarriedAtSea: In ''Gai-Jin'' Malcolm Struan and Angelique Richaud are married by Captain Marlowe of HMS ''Pearl''. They are still minors (20 and 18, respectively) and Tess Struan [[ParentalMarriageVeto forbade the marriage]] suspecting that Angelique was a GoldDigger, so church wedding was not an option. On the other hand, Naval Regulations [[LoopholeAbuse does do not mention limit of age or parental consent]] in its section on shipboard weddings...
28th Sep '17 8:13:12 AM isolato
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* MarriedAtSea: In ''Gai-Jin'' Malcolm Struan and Angelique Richaud are married by Captain Marlowe of HMS ''Pearl''. They are still minors (20 and 18, respectively) and Tess Struan [[ParentalMarriageVeto forbade the marriage]] suspecting that Angelique was a GoldDigger, so church wedding was not an option. On the other hand, Naval Regulations [[LoopholeAbuse does not mention limit of age or parental consent]] in its section on shipboard weddings...
27th Sep '17 9:52:46 AM isolato
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* AntiHero: Clavell's heroes tend to zigzag this trope: Blackthorne and Ian Dunross are the closest to traditional heroes, but Dirk Struan is ''very'' much this: ruthless, manipulative of his family, utterly merciless to his enemies - he actually shows '''less''' standards than the NominalVillain of ''Tai-Pan'' Tyler Brock when he uses Tyler's own daughter against him to kill his mad son. In ''Shogun'' Toranaga is so far into this trope he's practically an AntiVillain.

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* AntiHero: Clavell's heroes tend to zigzag this trope: Blackthorne and Ian Dunross are the closest to traditional heroes, but Dirk Struan is ''very'' much this: ruthless, manipulative of his family, utterly merciless to his enemies - he actually shows '''less''' standards than the NominalVillain DesignatedVillain of ''Tai-Pan'' Tyler Brock when he uses Tyler's own daughter against him to kill his mad son. In ''Shogun'' Toranaga is so far into this trope he's practically an AntiVillain.



** Robert Armstrong's subplot in ''Whirlwind'' involves hunting down information on Soviet moles in the UK government - which are confirmed to include Robin Grey and Julian Broadchurch, Labour MPs who appeared in ''Noble House''.

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** Robert Armstrong's subplot in ''Whirlwind'' involves hunting down information on Soviet moles in the UK government - which are confirmed to include Robin Grey and Julian Broadchurch, Labour MPs [=MPs=] who appeared in ''Noble House''.
27th Sep '17 9:35:02 AM isolato
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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: The pre-20th century novels feature NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of many historical figures. In ''Shogun'', these include (in the backstory) UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga (under the name of Goroda) and UsefulNotes/ToyotomiHideyoshi (under the name Nakamura). Yoshi Toranaga is loosely based upon UsefulNotes/TokugawaIeyasu.

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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: The pre-20th century novels feature NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of many historical figures. In ''Shogun'', these include (in the backstory) UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga (under the name of Goroda) and UsefulNotes/ToyotomiHideyoshi (under the name Nakamura). Yoshi Toranaga is loosely based upon UsefulNotes/TokugawaIeyasu.UsefulNotes/TokugawaIeyasu and John Blackthorne is an expy of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(sailor) Wiliam Adams]].
24th Sep '17 7:20:21 PM mirisu92
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** Then again, the stereotypical, r-dropping British accent—known as Received Pronunciation—is ''younger'' than the United States, having mostly evolved during the Victorian era. 17th-century English accents would have sounded a bit closer to modern American accents (especially on parts of the East Coast) than to [=RP=], with a bit of TalkLikeAPirate mixed in (reasonable, given Blackthorne is a sea dog after all).
22nd Sep '17 10:46:00 AM isolato
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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: The pre-20th century novels feature NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of many historical figures. In ''Shogun'', these include (in the backstory) UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga (under the name of Goroda) and UsefulNotes/ToyotomiHideyoshi (under the name Nakamura).

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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: The pre-20th century novels feature NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions of many historical figures. In ''Shogun'', these include (in the backstory) UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga (under the name of Goroda) and UsefulNotes/ToyotomiHideyoshi (under the name Nakamura). Yoshi Toranaga is loosely based upon UsefulNotes/TokugawaIeyasu.
14th Sep '17 8:35:37 PM Dingbot
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* BedTrick: ''Shogun'' features a double-reverse version: after a drunken party, protagonist Blackthorne is visited in the dark by a woman he assumes to be his interpreter Mariko. Next morning, he learns from Mariko that it was in fact one of the maids. However, we later learn that it ''was'' in fact Mariko, who took the place of the maid, but didn't want him to know about it.

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* BedTrick: ''Shogun'' features a double-reverse version: after a drunken party, protagonist Blackthorne is visited in the dark by a woman he assumes to be his interpreter Mariko. Next morning, he learns from Mariko that it was in fact really one of the maids. However, we later learn that it ''was'' in fact Mariko, who took the place of the maid, but didn't want him to know about it.
29th Aug '17 1:07:36 PM Galvatron29
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* GreyAndGrayMorality: The Struan/Brock feud, and later the [[GenerationXerox Dunross/Gornt]] one, can come across as this. While both sides do have a moral code they adhere to, Struan and Brock are willing to do near-anything to destroy the other and make very dubious moral decisions throughout. Making this more complex than normal, we see both men's viewpoints throughout the novel and from the facts they have available there's no question they believe what they're doing is ''right'' for them and their families.
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