History Literature / ACanticleForLeibowitz

15th Aug '16 11:06:42 AM Theriocephalus
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** The narration regarding the Simpletons and the last days of the pre-Deluge world, reads like a liturgical sermon that would be more fitting for Martin Luther's time than Martin Luther King's. Hilariously enough, the Simpletons' rallying cry, which managed to survive intact down the generations sounds much more like what working-class Americans would say.

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** The narration regarding the Simpletons and the last days of the pre-Deluge world, world reads like a liturgical sermon that would be more fitting for Martin Luther's time than Martin Luther King's. Hilariously enough, the Simpletons' rallying cry, which managed to survive intact down the generations generations, sounds much more like what working-class Americans would say.
29th Jul '16 4:10:18 PM Specialist290
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* {{Deconstruction}}: Of the idea common in more secularly-oriented science fiction that technological progress necessarily implies social progress. ''Canticle'' makes the point that no matter how advanced the technology gets, the human heart is inclined to a certain moral laziness that needs to be carefully and consciously guarded against if people aspire to be anything more than barbarians with fancy toys.
9th Jul '16 1:52:55 PM Timurlame
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* TheGadfly: The Poet in Fiat Lux. He manages to get a number of unpleasant topics out in the open that would be difficult for the monks to broach on their own.

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* TheGadfly: The Poet in Fiat Lux.''Fiat Lux''. He manages to get a number of unpleasant topics out in the open that would be difficult for the monks to broach on their own.
9th Jul '16 1:52:11 PM Timurlame
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* TheGadfly: The Poet in Fiat Lux. He manages to get a number of unpleasant topics out in the open that would be difficult for the monks to broach on their own.
9th Jul '16 1:46:28 PM Timurlame
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* LiteralMetaphor: The Old Jew in Dom Paulo's time claims to be several thousand years old, but it's established that, as the Diaspora is even more thinly scattered than ever, he may be the only Jew for hundreds of miles, and copes by seeing himself as the embodiment of all Jewish history. Whether he is ''also'' the immortal Wandering Jew is ambiguous.


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* EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep: The Poet who lives at the abbey is only referred to by his occupation, or disparagingly as the Poet-sirrah. Even after he [[spoiler: becomes a folk saint]], he's only ever called Poet.
12th Feb '16 11:21:39 PM Theriocephalus
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** The parts titled "Fiat Homo" and Fiat Lux", which both come from the Creation account in Genesis; and "Fiat Voluntas Tua", which is a line in the Lord's Prayer.

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** The parts titled "Fiat Homo" and Fiat "Fiat Lux", which both come from the Creation account in Genesis; and "Fiat Voluntas Tua", which is a line in the Lord's Prayer.
15th Jan '16 10:41:32 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* EvilLuddite: The Simplification was the backlash of a group of self-proclaimed "[[DumbIsGood simpletons]]" against scientists and other intellectuals, whom they blamed for the Flame Deluge. Leibowitz himself was one of their victims.
** To clarify: first the politicians, then scientists, teachers, students, and finally people who can read. No this isn't ArsonMurderAndJaywalking.

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* EvilLuddite: The Simplification was the backlash of a group of self-proclaimed "[[DumbIsGood simpletons]]" against scientists and other intellectuals, whom they blamed for the Flame Deluge. Leibowitz himself was one of their victims.
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victims. First the politicians, then scientists, teachers, students, and finally people who can read. No this isn't ArsonMurderAndJaywalking.
15th Jan '16 10:40:41 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* ScienceIsBad: One of the chief conflicts of the story is how to use the knowledge gained from civilization's renaissance properly. Science and knowledge in general in itself is not bad, but people's applications of it can be.

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* ScienceIsBad: ScienceIsBad:
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One of the chief conflicts of the story is how to use the knowledge gained from civilization's renaissance properly. Science and knowledge in general in itself is not bad, but people's applications of it can be.



* TechnologyMarchesOn: At one point, Abbot Zerchi turns off a television with such anger that he breaks the knob off. Possibly justified in that this occurs almost 1800 years in the future, after technology has re-emerged.
** Anti-ballistic missile systems started emerging in the 1970s, more than a decade after publication. The Asian Coalition would have to be very sneaky or very lucky to [[spoiler:surprise-nuke Texarkana]] if anything like NORAD was re-emerged.
*** On the flip side, even today low-altitude cruise missiles are tough to detect and neutralize.

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* TechnologyMarchesOn: TechnologyMarchesOn:
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At one point, Abbot Zerchi turns off a television with such anger that he breaks the knob off. Possibly justified in that this occurs almost 1800 years in the future, after technology has re-emerged.
** Anti-ballistic missile systems started emerging in the 1970s, more than a decade after publication. The Asian Coalition would have to be very sneaky or very lucky to [[spoiler:surprise-nuke Texarkana]] if anything like NORAD was re-emerged. \n*** On the flip side, even today low-altitude cruise missiles are tough to detect and neutralize.
15th Jan '16 10:39:32 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* FlingALightIntoTheFuture: After the Flame Deluge, the entire purpose of the monks' work is to preserve a fragment of human knowledge for future generations who will be able to understand it better.

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After the Flame Deluge, the entire purpose of the monks' work is to preserve a fragment of human knowledge for future generations who will be able to understand it better.
15th Jan '16 10:39:09 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: Benjamin may feature as the immortal WanderingJew. Or maybe not. The story is vague about whether [[spoiler: Zerchi is [[UnreliableNarrator imagining the whole thing]] because he's dying.]]

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Benjamin may feature as the immortal WanderingJew. Or maybe not. The story is vague about whether [[spoiler: Zerchi is [[UnreliableNarrator imagining the whole thing]] because he's dying.]]



* MeaningfulName: Many of the place names in the stories vaguely refer to places that readers might know; some, like Denver and Chihuahua, survive remarkably intact.

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Many of the place names in the stories vaguely refer to places that readers might know; some, like Denver and Chihuahua, survive remarkably intact.
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