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21st Feb '17 10:26:31 PM SenorCornholio
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* Ash Ketchum from the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, though how idiotic varied over the years. He arguably got smarter in regards to being a Pokémon Trainer, but dumber when it came to everything else. It doesn't help that the anime frequently seems to reset Ash's intelligence upon entering a new region. One supporting example of this is in the episode "Gotta Get a Gible!", where he and Pikachu attempt to make a jump from one side of a cliff to the other without noticing a bridge that Brock and Dawn use to make it across. To summarize: Ash was a total idiot when he started his journey, and then gradually matured over the course of the Original Series and Advanced generation series. During the Diamond and Pearl series he gets even better at Pokémon battling, but, as mentioned above, he gets less intelligent in all other regards. During the Best Wishes series, however, he hits the ResetButton very hard and actually becomes MORE of an idiot than when he started out. During the XY series, however, he regains his former maturity and intelligence with interest, and almost averts this trope completely.

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* Ash Ketchum from the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, though how idiotic varied over the years. He arguably got smarter in regards to being a Pokémon Trainer, but dumber when it came to everything else. It doesn't help that the anime frequently seems to reset Ash's intelligence upon entering a new region. One supporting example of this is in the episode "Gotta Get a Gible!", where he and Pikachu attempt to make a jump from one side of a cliff to the other without noticing a bridge that Brock and Dawn use to make it across. To summarize: Ash was a total idiot when he started his journey, and then gradually matured over the course of the Original Series and Advanced generation series. During the Diamond and Pearl series he gets even better at Pokémon battling, but, as mentioned above, he gets less intelligent in all other regards. During the Best Wishes series, however, he hits the ResetButton very hard and actually becomes MORE of an idiot than when he started out. During the XY series, however, he regains his former maturity and intelligence with interest, and almost averts this trope completely. In Sun and Moon, he seems to hearken back do the Diamond and Pearl characterization of being amazing at Pokémon related matters, and dumb when it comes to everything else, however he's also more prone to AmusingInjuries.
6th Jan '17 9:12:52 AM flodoris
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** Obito is another example [[spoiler:before becoming [[BigBad Tobi]]]].
** Chapter 619 reveals that [[spoiler:First Hokage Senju Hashirama]] belongs here, perhaps more so than all the others mentioned earlier.

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** Obito is another example [[spoiler:before becoming [[BigBad [[spoiler:well, that is, [[DumbassNoMore before he became]] [[TheChessmaster Tobi]]]].
** Chapter 619 reveals that [[spoiler:First First Hokage Senju Hashirama]] Hashirama belongs here, perhaps more so than all the others mentioned earlier. earlier although his brother considers that Naruto still surpasses it in this.
30th Dec '16 2:39:00 AM BlacKat
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* This is how Yogi from ''Manga/{{Karneval}}'' can act before he starts battle. He's usually rather sunshiny and cheery as well.
18th Dec '16 11:22:52 AM Morgenthaler
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** His successor [[spoiler:and adoptive brother]] Tetsuya from ''Anime/GreatMazinger'' is another [[TheDeterminator determinator]] {{Badass}} and he is slightly more mature and less sexist than Kouji, but some of the stunts he pulls due to his pride, hardheadness, jealousy, obsessivity and unability to listen to good advice are mind-baffling. And then you have he can be a tactless jerk when he gets angry or upset, and it is not wonder how often he has been on the end of several Jun's {{Armor Piercing Slap}}s.

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** His successor [[spoiler:and adoptive brother]] Tetsuya from ''Anime/GreatMazinger'' is another [[TheDeterminator determinator]] {{Badass}} and he is slightly more mature and less sexist than Kouji, but some of the stunts he pulls due to his pride, hardheadness, jealousy, obsessivity and unability to listen to good advice are mind-baffling. And then you have he can be a tactless jerk when he gets angry or upset, and it is not wonder how often he has been on the end of several Jun's {{Armor Piercing Slap}}s.
10th Dec '16 6:18:11 AM Phoenixion
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* And before Toriyama has Goku, he has Arale of ''Manga/DoctorSlump'', since she's basically DistaffCounterpart to Kid Goku.
1st Aug '16 2:16:39 PM Willbyr
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* Kinniku Mantaro/Kid Muscle from ''Anime/KinnikumanNisei''.

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* Kinniku Mantaro/Kid Muscle from ''Anime/KinnikumanNisei''.''Anime/UltimateMuscle''.
17th Jul '16 11:22:47 AM Pichu-kun
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* Ash Ketchum from the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, though how idiotic varied over the years. He arguably got smarter in regards to being a Pokémon Trainer, but dumber when it came to everything else. It doesn't help that the anime frequently seems to reset Ash's intelligence upon entering a new region.
** One supporting example of this is in the episode "Gotta Get a Gible!", where he and Pikachu attempt to make a jump from one side of a cliff to the other without noticing a bridge that Brock and Dawn use to make it across.
*** To summarize: Ash was a total idiot when he started his journey, and then gradually matured over the course of the Original Series and Advanced generation series. During the Diamond and Pearl series he gets even better at Pokémon battling, but, as mentioned above, he gets less intelligent in all other regards. During the Best Wishes series, however, he hits the ResetButton very hard and actually becomes MORE of an idiot than when he started out. During the XY series, however, he regains his former maturity and intelligence with interest, and almost averts this trope completely.
** Similarly to Ash, considering they're based off the same character, [[TheHero Red]], from ''Manga/PokemonSpecial''. He ends up maturing past this, but Gold and Black from later arcs pick up the mantle.
*** Black is a variation; he's actually incredibly [[BadassBookworm book smart]] and studies a lot on his own time when it comes to Pokémon battling, but his (initially) self-centered attitude and [[NoSocialSkills poor social skills]] make him unaware when he inadvertently causes problems for other people.
** Hareta from ''Manga/PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure'' may qualify as this, though not when he's in a battle, and he's more naive than stupid in the eyes of some.
** ''Pokémon'' manga protagonists as a whole tend to be Idiot Heroes, though several of them mature.

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* Ash Ketchum from the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, though how idiotic varied over the years. He arguably got smarter in regards to being a Pokémon Trainer, but dumber when it came to everything else. It doesn't help that the anime frequently seems to reset Ash's intelligence upon entering a new region.
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region. One supporting example of this is in the episode "Gotta Get a Gible!", where he and Pikachu attempt to make a jump from one side of a cliff to the other without noticing a bridge that Brock and Dawn use to make it across.
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across. To summarize: Ash was a total idiot when he started his journey, and then gradually matured over the course of the Original Series and Advanced generation series. During the Diamond and Pearl series he gets even better at Pokémon battling, but, as mentioned above, he gets less intelligent in all other regards. During the Best Wishes series, however, he hits the ResetButton very hard and actually becomes MORE of an idiot than when he started out. During the XY series, however, he regains his former maturity and intelligence with interest, and almost averts this trope completely.
* ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'':
** Similarly to Ash, considering they're based off the same character, [[TheHero Red]], from ''Manga/PokemonSpecial''.Red]]. He ends up maturing past this, but Gold and Black from later arcs pick up the mantle.
*** ** Black is a variation; he's actually incredibly [[BadassBookworm book smart]] and studies a lot on his own time when it comes to Pokémon battling, but his (initially) self-centered attitude and [[NoSocialSkills poor social skills]] make him unaware when he inadvertently causes problems for other people.
** * Hareta from ''Manga/PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure'' may qualify as this, though not when he's in a battle, and he's more naive than stupid in the eyes of some.
** ''Pokémon'' manga protagonists as a whole tend to be Idiot Heroes, though several of them mature.
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29th Jun '16 8:33:11 PM BlackGryphon101
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** He gets that from his Grandfather former Vice Admiral Monkey D. Garp who also fits the qualifications to a horrifying degree such as throwing his Grandchildren into a chasm, tied to balloons, falls asleep sudddenly, and he once traded a large amount of gold for doughnuts.
8th Jun '16 7:15:32 PM Gamermaster
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** There's also the Baka Rangers (with the exception of [[BrilliantButLazy Yue]]), who have the lowest grades in the class but make up for it with their physical skills. Especially Asuna, who is the worse scoring student and the deuteragonist.
3rd Apr '16 8:01:56 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* Usagi from ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' is a rare female example, being depicted as BookDumb and a bit of a {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, but especially in the early series since she matures and becomes a true hero later on. She isn't quite so bad in the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]] though, the [[Anime/SailorMoon original anime]] tended to [[CharacterExaggeration exaggerate]] many characters.

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* Usagi from ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' is a rare female example, being depicted as BookDumb and a bit of a {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, {{Cloudcuckoolander}} at times, but especially in the early series since she matures and becomes a true hero later on. She isn't quite so bad in the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]] though, the [[Anime/SailorMoon original anime]] tended to [[CharacterExaggeration exaggerate]] many characters.
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