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11th Aug '17 6:58:09 PM theknack101
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* Played with in ''Manga/FirePunch''. Agni, the main character, often comes across as rather dim for an adult. However, its generally justified as he's mentally a 14 year old, considering he spent the past 8 years of his life set on fire in isolation due to being set on fire with special fire and having massive regenerative abilities. And on top of that, he notes that even though he has reached the point where he can tolerate being on fire all the time, it still hurts and makes it hard for his brain to focus on more complex thoughts. So he tries to leave the thinking to the companions he picks up along the way.
7th Jul '17 11:52:33 AM MajinAkuma
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* [[Anime/DigimonAdventure Tai]], [[Anime/DigimonAdventure02 Davis]], [[Anime/DigimonFrontier Takuya]], and [[Anime/DigimonSavers Masaru]] aka all the goggleheaded main characters. Of the digimon Protagonists, only [[Anime/DigimonTamers Takato]] has been left out.
** Tai and Davis, however, ''were'' more realistic than most examples of this trope, and [[CharacterDevelopment matured as the series progressed]]. They also seemed closer to their actual ages than most of the other kids: both are eleven in the beginning of ''Anime/DigimonAdventure'' and ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02''. The only reason they ever seem like {{Idiot Hero}}es is because the rest of the characters are [[WiseBeyondTheirYears startlingly mature for their ages]].

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* [[Anime/DigimonAdventure Tai]], Taichi]], [[Anime/DigimonAdventure02 Davis]], Daisuke]], [[Anime/DigimonFrontier Takuya]], and [[Anime/DigimonSavers Masaru]] aka all the goggleheaded main characters. Of the digimon Protagonists, only [[Anime/DigimonTamers Takato]] has been left out.
** Tai Taichi and Davis, Daisuke, however, ''were'' more realistic than most examples of this trope, and [[CharacterDevelopment matured as the series progressed]]. They also seemed closer to their actual ages than most of the other kids: both are eleven in the beginning of ''Anime/DigimonAdventure'' and ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02''. The only reason they ever seem like {{Idiot Hero}}es is because the rest of the characters are [[WiseBeyondTheirYears startlingly mature for their ages]].



** Jaden of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' -- Goal ToBeAMaster? Check. Spiky hair? Check. TooDumbToLive? Check. Idealist? Check. Magnet for TrueCompanions? Check. BigEater? Check. BookDumb? Double check. CharacterDevelopment into AllLovingHero? [[IneffectualLoner Just the opposite]]. [[{{Deconstruction}} There's only so much a kid can take]].

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** Jaden Jaudai of ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' -- Goal ToBeAMaster? Check. Spiky hair? Check. TooDumbToLive? Check. Idealist? Check. Magnet for TrueCompanions? Check. BigEater? Check. BookDumb? Double check. CharacterDevelopment into AllLovingHero? [[IneffectualLoner Just the opposite]]. [[{{Deconstruction}} There's only so much a kid can take]].



*** Much of Jaden's classification as a typical Idiot hero is a result of the butchering of his character in the Dub of the series, in the original/subbed version, he was more of the slacker, and his idiot hero tendencies more nuanced.

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*** Much of Jaden's Judai's classification as a typical Idiot hero is a result of the butchering of his character in the Dub of the series, in the original/subbed version, he was more of the slacker, and his idiot hero tendencies more nuanced.



** Yuma from ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' is season 1 Jaden all over again, only if Jaden's dub characterization was the canon take. And despite being the protagonist, he has less dueling skills than an amateur, and Astral has to guide him through a lot of his duels.

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** Yuma from ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' is season 1 Jaden Judai all over again, only if Jaden's Judai's dub characterization was the canon take. And despite being the protagonist, he has less dueling skills than an amateur, and Astral has to guide him through a lot of his duels.
24th May '17 8:46:42 PM KaworuS
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* [[Anime/DigimonAdventure Tai]], [[Anime/DigimonAdventure02 Davis]], [[Anime/DigimonFrontier Takuya]], and [[Anime/DigimonSavers Masaru]] aka all the goggleheaded main characters.

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* [[Anime/DigimonAdventure Tai]], [[Anime/DigimonAdventure02 Davis]], [[Anime/DigimonFrontier Takuya]], and [[Anime/DigimonSavers Masaru]] aka all the goggleheaded main characters. Of the digimon Protagonists, only [[Anime/DigimonTamers Takato]] has been left out.
24th May '17 8:45:36 PM KaworuS
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***Much of Jaden's classification as a typical Idiot hero is a result of the butchering of his character in the Dub of the series, in the original/subbed version, he was more of the slacker, and his idiot hero tendencies more nuanced.



** Yuma from ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' is season 1 Jaden all over again. And despite being the protagonist, he has the dueling skills of an amateur, and Astral has to guide him through a lot of his duels.

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** Yuma from ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' is season 1 Jaden all over again. again, only if Jaden's dub characterization was the canon take. And despite being the protagonist, he has the less dueling skills of than an amateur, and Astral has to guide him through a lot of his duels.
12th Apr '17 11:54:34 AM mouschilight
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* Downplayed and a bit Justified in in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' whose eponymous main character is primarily BookDumb. Despite the fact that he is recognized at the bottom of his class, Naruto was capable of sneaking into the home of his village's leader, a wise and skilled ninja, and stealing a forbidden scroll, and learning a forbidden technique written on said scroll. He is capable, or "learns through his body" as Kakashi puts it. On the other hand, he is practically incapable of learning the basic techniques early on that all of his classmates learn. At one point, [[SealedEvilInACan it is inferred that the Tailed Beast inside of him]] is disrupting his anatomy, resulting in at least a few of his academic failings. Regardless, as to his personality, Naruto is still an overly spirited and loud-mouthed individual throughout the first half of the series.

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* Downplayed and a bit Justified in in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' whose eponymous main character is primarily BookDumb. Despite the fact that he is recognized at the bottom of his class, Naruto was capable of sneaking into the home of his village's leader, a wise and skilled ninja, and stealing a forbidden scroll, and learning a forbidden technique written on said scroll. He is capable, or "learns through his body" as Kakashi puts it. On the other hand, he is practically incapable of learning the basic techniques early on that all of his classmates learn. At one point, [[SealedEvilInACan it is inferred that the Tailed Beast inside of him]] is disrupting his anatomy, resulting in at least a few of his academic failings. Regardless, as to his personality, Naruto is still an overly spirited and loud-mouthed individual throughout the first half of the series.



* America from ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' is the poster boy—er, nation—for this trope. He's a BigEater who is loud (occasionally considered annoying by the other characters and/or fans) and comes up with plans like "building a giant superhero to stop global warming." He is repeatedly told to "read the atmosphere," upon which he looks for it in a bookstore. A quote from the dub:

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* America from ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' is the poster boy—er, nation—for nation—for this trope. He's a BigEater who is loud (occasionally considered annoying by the other characters and/or fans) and comes up with plans like "building a giant superhero to stop global warming." He is repeatedly told to "read the atmosphere," upon which he looks for it in a bookstore. A quote from the dub:
7th Apr '17 3:36:47 PM mouschilight
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* Downplayed and a bit justified in in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' whose eponymous main character is primarily BookDumb. Despite the fact that he is recognized at the bottom of his class, Naruto was capable of sneaking into the home of his village's leader, a wise and skilled ninja, and stealing a forbidden scroll, and learning a forbidden technique written on said scroll. He is capable, or "learns through his body" as Kakashi puts it. On the other hand, he is practically incapable of learning the basic techniques early on that all of his classmates learn. At one point, [[SealedEvilInACan it is inferred that the Tailed Beast inside of him]] is disrupting his anatomy, resulting in at least a few of his academic failings. Regardless, as to his personality, Naruto is still an overly spirited and loud-mouthed individual throughout the first half of the series.
** In ''Shippuden'', he gets a bit better at making strategies, to the point where his own sensei was surprised at getting caught off-guard by him. Naruto's newfound tactics cause most of his acquaintances and allies to marvel at how he's grown. Sakura, however, berates him from holding onto a perverted technique and believes that he still hasn't really matured. Due to this particularly unhappy childhood, Naruto is also rather good at relating or identifying with people who grew up in similarly negative ways ([[RivalTurnedEvil Sasuke]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Gaara]], and [[BirdsOfAFeather Hinata]] being the most notable examples), so something in his brain is definitely churning. He's also darn good at ShutUpHannibal speeches.

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* Downplayed and a bit justified Justified in in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' whose eponymous main character is primarily BookDumb. Despite the fact that he is recognized at the bottom of his class, Naruto was capable of sneaking into the home of his village's leader, a wise and skilled ninja, and stealing a forbidden scroll, and learning a forbidden technique written on said scroll. He is capable, or "learns through his body" as Kakashi puts it. On the other hand, he is practically incapable of learning the basic techniques early on that all of his classmates learn. At one point, [[SealedEvilInACan it is inferred that the Tailed Beast inside of him]] is disrupting his anatomy, resulting in at least a few of his academic failings. Regardless, as to his personality, Naruto is still an overly spirited and loud-mouthed individual throughout the first half of the series.
** In ''Shippuden'', he gets a bit better at making strategies, to the point where his own sensei was surprised at getting caught off-guard by him. Naruto's newfound tactics cause most of his acquaintances and allies to marvel at how he's grown. Sakura, however, berates him from holding onto a perverted technique and believes that he still hasn't really matured. Due to this particularly unhappy childhood, Naruto is also rather good at relating or identifying with people who grew up in similarly negative ways ([[RivalTurnedEvil Sasuke]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds ([[NotSoDifferent Sasuke, Gaara]], and [[BirdsOfAFeather Hinata]] being the most notable examples), so something in his brain is definitely churning. He's also darn good at ShutUpHannibal speeches.
7th Apr '17 3:19:50 PM mouschilight
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7th Apr '17 3:12:32 PM mouschilight
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** In ''Shippuden'', he gets a bit better at making strategies, to the point where his own sensei was surprised at getting caught off-guard by him. Naruto's newfound tactics cause most of his acquaintances and allies to marvel at how he's grown. Sakura, however, berates him from holding onto a perverted technique and believes that he still hasn't really matured. Due to this particularly unhappy childhood, Naruto is also rather good at relating or identifying with people who grew up in similarly negative ways, so something in his brain is definitely churning. He's also darn good at ShutUpHannibal speeches.

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** In ''Shippuden'', he gets a bit better at making strategies, to the point where his own sensei was surprised at getting caught off-guard by him. Naruto's newfound tactics cause most of his acquaintances and allies to marvel at how he's grown. Sakura, however, berates him from holding onto a perverted technique and believes that he still hasn't really matured. Due to this particularly unhappy childhood, Naruto is also rather good at relating or identifying with people who grew up in similarly negative ways, ways ([[RivalTurnedEvil Sasuke]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Gaara]], and [[BirdsOfAFeather Hinata]] being the most notable examples), so something in his brain is definitely churning. He's also darn good at ShutUpHannibal speeches.
21st Feb '17 10:26:31 PM SenorCornholio
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* Ash Ketchum from the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, though how idiotic varied over the years. He arguably got smarter in regards to being a Pokémon Trainer, but dumber when it came to everything else. It doesn't help that the anime frequently seems to reset Ash's intelligence upon entering a new region. One supporting example of this is in the episode "Gotta Get a Gible!", where he and Pikachu attempt to make a jump from one side of a cliff to the other without noticing a bridge that Brock and Dawn use to make it across. To summarize: Ash was a total idiot when he started his journey, and then gradually matured over the course of the Original Series and Advanced generation series. During the Diamond and Pearl series he gets even better at Pokémon battling, but, as mentioned above, he gets less intelligent in all other regards. During the Best Wishes series, however, he hits the ResetButton very hard and actually becomes MORE of an idiot than when he started out. During the XY series, however, he regains his former maturity and intelligence with interest, and almost averts this trope completely.

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* Ash Ketchum from the ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' anime, though how idiotic varied over the years. He arguably got smarter in regards to being a Pokémon Trainer, but dumber when it came to everything else. It doesn't help that the anime frequently seems to reset Ash's intelligence upon entering a new region. One supporting example of this is in the episode "Gotta Get a Gible!", where he and Pikachu attempt to make a jump from one side of a cliff to the other without noticing a bridge that Brock and Dawn use to make it across. To summarize: Ash was a total idiot when he started his journey, and then gradually matured over the course of the Original Series and Advanced generation series. During the Diamond and Pearl series he gets even better at Pokémon battling, but, as mentioned above, he gets less intelligent in all other regards. During the Best Wishes series, however, he hits the ResetButton very hard and actually becomes MORE of an idiot than when he started out. During the XY series, however, he regains his former maturity and intelligence with interest, and almost averts this trope completely. In Sun and Moon, he seems to hearken back do the Diamond and Pearl characterization of being amazing at Pokémon related matters, and dumb when it comes to everything else, however he's also more prone to AmusingInjuries.
6th Jan '17 9:12:52 AM flodoris
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** Obito is another example [[spoiler:before becoming [[BigBad Tobi]]]].
** Chapter 619 reveals that [[spoiler:First Hokage Senju Hashirama]] belongs here, perhaps more so than all the others mentioned earlier.

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** Obito is another example [[spoiler:before becoming [[BigBad [[spoiler:well, that is, [[DumbassNoMore before he became]] [[TheChessmaster Tobi]]]].
** Chapter 619 reveals that [[spoiler:First First Hokage Senju Hashirama]] Hashirama belongs here, perhaps more so than all the others mentioned earlier. earlier although his brother considers that Naruto still surpasses it in this.
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