History IdiotBall / VideoGames

31st Dec '17 9:10:25 AM nombretomado
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* In ''GrandiaII'', Elena. Once it is revealed that [[spoiler:she and ActionGirl [[BlackMage Millennia]] are one and the same person, with the latter being a superpowered, "inner demon" alter ego of the former]], Elena decides to have herself exorcised--this despite the fact that [[spoiler:Millennia]] has done nothing more evil than testify quite blatantly to her sexual attraction to Ryudo, wreck an empty building and display a love of fighting and killing...but only of ''monsters and villains''. The pope then proceeds to tell her, quite explicitly, that if he exorcises her, he will [[spoiler:use the shard of Valmar within her to reconstruct the demon and with him, destroy the world]]. He could not have been any more explicit. What does she do? ''Ignore what he said'', and still agree to the exorcism just because, in her IncorruptiblePurePureness, PuritySue nature, she cannot stand to have anything demonic within her. So just to recap, what is being weighed here is: [[spoiler:[[DarkIsNotEvil Millennia]]]] versus the release of the BigBad and TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. What does she choose? To top it off, this stupidity of Elena's gets one of your party members killed--[[spoiler:the ProudWarriorRaceGuy, GentleGiant Mareg who was also the strongest and arguably most useful in a fight]], right after he received his ultimate weapon -- leaving you with the JokeCharacter, SpoonyBard Prince Roan. So, [[HeroicSacrifice you lose]] an utterly awesome, superlative fighter for one 40 levels weaker whose best move is ''throwing rocks at the enemies'', AND doom the world... all to get rid of a pair of wings and a slightly oversexed action junkie? And even before she learned of what the BigBad was really going to do with all the shards of Valmar, she appeared to be perfectly willing to commit ritual suicide (What she originally believed the plan was) in order to get rid of a pair of wings and a slightly oversexed action junkie.

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* In ''GrandiaII'', ''VideoGame/GrandiaII'', Elena. Once it is revealed that [[spoiler:she and ActionGirl [[BlackMage Millennia]] are one and the same person, with the latter being a superpowered, "inner demon" alter ego of the former]], Elena decides to have herself exorcised--this despite the fact that [[spoiler:Millennia]] has done nothing more evil than testify quite blatantly to her sexual attraction to Ryudo, wreck an empty building and display a love of fighting and killing...but only of ''monsters and villains''. The pope then proceeds to tell her, quite explicitly, that if he exorcises her, he will [[spoiler:use the shard of Valmar within her to reconstruct the demon and with him, destroy the world]]. He could not have been any more explicit. What does she do? ''Ignore what he said'', and still agree to the exorcism just because, in her IncorruptiblePurePureness, PuritySue nature, she cannot stand to have anything demonic within her. So just to recap, what is being weighed here is: [[spoiler:[[DarkIsNotEvil Millennia]]]] versus the release of the BigBad and TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. What does she choose? To top it off, this stupidity of Elena's gets one of your party members killed--[[spoiler:the ProudWarriorRaceGuy, GentleGiant Mareg who was also the strongest and arguably most useful in a fight]], right after he received his ultimate weapon -- leaving you with the JokeCharacter, SpoonyBard Prince Roan. So, [[HeroicSacrifice you lose]] an utterly awesome, superlative fighter for one 40 levels weaker whose best move is ''throwing rocks at the enemies'', AND doom the world... all to get rid of a pair of wings and a slightly oversexed action junkie? And even before she learned of what the BigBad was really going to do with all the shards of Valmar, she appeared to be perfectly willing to commit ritual suicide (What she originally believed the plan was) in order to get rid of a pair of wings and a slightly oversexed action junkie.
14th Dec '17 8:39:46 PM gophergiggles
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** [[VideoGame/DarkSouls3 Unbreakable Patches]] attempts to impersonate a Knight of Catarina, and once again hints at the existance of treasure on the other side of the bridge he stands near, though the deception is still easy to spot due to Patches' BadBadActing. Walking out to the center of the bridge will have him lower it, forcing the player to fight or flee from the giants at the bottom. In this case the Ball can be volleyed back to Patches himself. Should the player have already ventured down below and killed the giants beforehand, Patches fails to notice their absense and simply lowers the player into a harmless, empty tar pit, only realizing his error after the fact.

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** [[VideoGame/DarkSouls3 Unbreakable Patches]] attempts to impersonate a Knight of Catarina, and once again hints at the existance of treasure on the other side of the bridge he stands near, though the deception is still easy to spot due to Patches' BadBadActing. Walking out to the center of the bridge will have him lower it, forcing the player to fight or flee from the giants at the bottom. In this case the Ball can be volleyed back to Patches himself. Should the player have already ventured down below and killed the giants beforehand, Patches fails to notice their absense and simply lowers the player into a harmless, empty tar pit, only realizing his error after the fact.fact.
* Jane from ''VideoGame/TheWalkingDead Season Two'' sways between being TheLoad and pulling BigDamnHeroes moments thanks to occasionally clutching the titular ball:
** Strong-arming and robbing the panicked and vulnerable youth Arvo, who ''clearly'' could not have survived without a group protecting him, because they "need his medicine". Needless to say his group, armed with ''AK-47s'', come looking for revenge resulting (indirectly) in the ultimate collapse of the group of survivors.
** Deciding it would be a good idea to prove Kenny's sanity has degraded to the point of him being dangerous by pretending she lost his ''[[MoralityChain adopted newborn child]]'' to the walkers and then antagonizing him about it. Say that out loud and reflect on how [[TooDumbToLive mind-numbingly bad of an idea that is]]. Unsurprisingly Kenny snaps, attacks her, and one of them (based on your choices) ends up dead.
8th Dec '17 1:44:54 AM Cryoclaste
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* In ''MetroidPrime 3: Corruption'' the main villain, Dark Samus, is able to kill you with a non-standard game over if you are ever fully saturated by phazon radiation. The Idiot Ball goes to the Galactic Federation for making this possible in the first place. When Samus, and a group of fellow bounty hunters, is zapped by Dark Samus's phazon beam at the beginning of the game, they find that all the bounty hunters have been genetically altered by the beam to allow their bodies to generate phazon energy. Rather than trying to fix the problem, ''they install a device to draw on this deadly, unpredictable energy directly into your power suit''. This is justified in that every major boss in the game can ONLY be defeated using this device.

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* In ''MetroidPrime 3: Corruption'' ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime3Corruption'' the main villain, Dark Samus, is able to kill you with a non-standard game over if you are ever fully saturated by phazon radiation. The Idiot Ball goes to the Galactic Federation for making this possible in the first place. When Samus, and a group of fellow bounty hunters, is zapped by Dark Samus's phazon beam at the beginning of the game, they find that all the bounty hunters have been genetically altered by the beam to allow their bodies to generate phazon energy. Rather than trying to fix the problem, ''they install a device to draw on this deadly, unpredictable energy directly into your power suit''. This is justified in that every major boss in the game can ONLY be defeated using this device.
18th Nov '17 11:00:09 AM Raikoh
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* In the beginning of the ''Revelation'' path on ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Avatar decides to try to TakeAThirdOption and not pick between both of the families [[AllLovingHero they love and care so much for.]] The response of everyone barring the two youngest members of the main cast? [[DisproportionateRetribution The Avatar has gone insane and must be killed to be put out of their misery.]] Keep in mind that the main family members of both sides aren't exactly enthusiastic about fighting the opposite side in the first place, but somehow the person they all care for dearly themselves is suddenly yet regretfully fair game for trying to take a sane (albeit implausible) way out.
** Garon also has a habit of holding onto it, which occasionally gets passed off to his children or the Avatar themselves in the ''Conquest'' route. He has a disturbingly common habit of being ObviouslyEvil and ranting about killing the Avatar or, in ''Revelation'', [[OmnicidalManiac yelling about destroying both kingdoms]] ''in front of his children and others.'' This repeatedly [[NiceJobFixingItVillain foils his own plans as a result,]] though the Conquest Avatar isn't much better when they continuously walk into his traps and plans knowingly and yet refuse to do much of anything about it besides handle them as they come.
4th Oct '17 1:37:25 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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* ''SilentHill'' games [[StupidityIsTheOnlyOption often force the player to accept the Idiot Ball in order to advance]], possibly deliberately as part of the ongoing torturous {{mind screw}}. Consider the number of times in one particular game that the player is asked whether James will stick his arm into a dark hole or leap into a pit whose bottom he cannot see.

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* ''SilentHill'' ''Franchise/SilentHill'' games [[StupidityIsTheOnlyOption often force the player to accept the Idiot Ball in order to advance]], possibly deliberately as part of the ongoing torturous {{mind screw}}. Consider the number of times in one particular game ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' that the player is asked whether James will stick his arm into a dark hole or leap into a pit whose bottom he cannot see.
12th Aug '17 10:09:05 AM nombretomado
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* ''{{Freelancer}}'' does a great job in having an elaborate background of the universe. Even the puniest pirate gangs have solid reasons for their actions, effectively averting AlwaysChaoticEvil except one or two factions. When you read some of their backstories, you will eventually find that many outlaws have actually quite good or at least justified reasons for their struggles. Freedom Fighters, Ecologists, Dissidents... However, what is their way to manifest their beliefs and achieve their goals? Shoot at everyone who passes nearby, no matter if s/he is completely innocent, while stealing and smuggling? [[SarcasmMode That's definitely a way how to make people support your cause]]...

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* ''{{Freelancer}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Freelancer}}'' does a great job in having an elaborate background of the universe. Even the puniest pirate gangs have solid reasons for their actions, effectively averting AlwaysChaoticEvil except one or two factions. When you read some of their backstories, you will eventually find that many outlaws have actually quite good or at least justified reasons for their struggles. Freedom Fighters, Ecologists, Dissidents... However, what is their way to manifest their beliefs and achieve their goals? Shoot at everyone who passes nearby, no matter if s/he is completely innocent, while stealing and smuggling? [[SarcasmMode That's definitely a way how to make people support your cause]]...
10th Jun '17 5:07:11 PM ShiningwingX
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** [[VideoGame/DarkSouls3 Unbreakable Patches]] attempts to impersonate a Knight of Catarina, and once again hints at the existance of treasure on the other side of the bridge he stands near, though the deception is still easy to spot due to Patches' BadBadActing. Walking out to the center of the bridge will have him lower it, forcing the player to fight or flee from the giants at the bottom. In this case the Ball can be volleyed back to Patches himself. Should the player have already ventured down below and killed the giants beforehand, Patches fails to notice their absense and simply lowers the player into a harmless, empty tar pit, only realzing his error after the fact.

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** [[VideoGame/DarkSouls3 Unbreakable Patches]] attempts to impersonate a Knight of Catarina, and once again hints at the existance of treasure on the other side of the bridge he stands near, though the deception is still easy to spot due to Patches' BadBadActing. Walking out to the center of the bridge will have him lower it, forcing the player to fight or flee from the giants at the bottom. In this case the Ball can be volleyed back to Patches himself. Should the player have already ventured down below and killed the giants beforehand, Patches fails to notice their absense and simply lowers the player into a harmless, empty tar pit, only realzing realizing his error after the fact.
10th Jun '17 5:06:01 PM ShiningwingX
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** [[VideoGame/DemonsSouls Patches the Hyena]] is found in multiple locations, and each time tries some new scheme to get the player killed so he can steal their belongings. A couple of examples include giving the player a "tip" that a [[ShmuckBait glorious treasure]] can be found just beyond a exploding [[DamageSpongeBoss Damage Sponge]] {{Mook}}, hoping for them to die in the blast, and later telling them the same can be found at the bottom of the pit near him, and suggests they take a look. The results are... less than ideal if you choose to trust him.

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** [[VideoGame/DemonsSouls Patches the Hyena]] is found in multiple locations, and each time tries some new scheme to get the player killed so he can steal their belongings. A couple of examples include giving the player a "tip" that a [[ShmuckBait glorious treasure]] can be found just beyond a an exploding [[DamageSpongeBoss Damage Sponge]] {{Mook}}, hoping for them to die in the blast, and later telling them the same can be found at the bottom of the pit near him, and suggests they take a look. The results are... less than ideal if you choose to trust him.



** [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Patches the Spider]] is a little more subtle but still relies on this. He creates a TrailOfBreadCrumbs using Shining Coins which inevitably leads to sheer drop into a poisoned swamp. Bad enough, but at least this time he has the sense to stay away from the pit himself and only rush you after you follow the trail. In other games, he's just a terrible actor but in this one he's literally a bald man's head on an arachnid body, which would probably raise a number of red flags even if WAS fairly convincing.

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** [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Patches the Spider]] is a little more subtle but still relies on this. He creates a TrailOfBreadCrumbs using Shining Coins which inevitably leads to sheer drop into a poisoned swamp. Bad enough, but at least this time he has the sense to stay away from the pit himself and only rush you after you follow the trail. In other games, he's just a terrible actor but in this one he's literally a bald man's head on an arachnid body, which would probably raise a number of red flags even if he WAS fairly convincing.
10th Jun '17 5:03:43 PM ShiningwingX
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* The idiot ball lands squarely in the lap of the player for the climax of ''Videogame/FinalFantasyXIII''. The BigBad tells you that [[spoiler: you - as l'cie - are the only ones who can destroy Orphan, thus destroying Cocoon and wiping out humanity, which was precisely his plan for you all along. You tell him that you won't have any part of it, and that you and humanity are through with being his pawns. His backup plan? Manipulate the human army into attacking Orphan. But wait, human weapons can't hurt fal'cie, only l'cie magic can. So what exactly is the humans attack supposed to accomplish? Why, force you to go through with his master plan to prevent the human army from doing nothing but tickle it, of course. You could have just killed him instead of Orphan, but no...]] NiceJobBreakingItHero.

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* The idiot ball lands squarely in the lap of the player for the climax of ''Videogame/FinalFantasyXIII''. The BigBad tells you that [[spoiler: you - as l'cie - are the only ones who can destroy Orphan, thus destroying Cocoon and wiping out humanity, which was precisely his plan for you all along. You tell him that you won't have any part of it, and that you and humanity are through with being his pawns. His backup plan? Manipulate the human army into attacking Orphan. But wait, human weapons can't hurt fal'cie, only l'cie magic can. So what exactly is the humans attack supposed to accomplish? Why, force you to go through with his master plan to prevent the human army from doing nothing but tickle it, of course. You could have just killed him instead of Orphan, but no...]] NiceJobBreakingItHero.NiceJobBreakingItHero.
* The recurring character, Patches in ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'', ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'', and ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}'' relies on his victims falling prey to this trope.
** [[VideoGame/DemonsSouls Patches the Hyena]] is found in multiple locations, and each time tries some new scheme to get the player killed so he can steal their belongings. A couple of examples include giving the player a "tip" that a [[ShmuckBait glorious treasure]] can be found just beyond a exploding [[DamageSpongeBoss Damage Sponge]] {{Mook}}, hoping for them to die in the blast, and later telling them the same can be found at the bottom of the pit near him, and suggests they take a look. The results are... less than ideal if you choose to trust him.
** [[BlatantLies "Trusty"]] [[VideoGame/DarkSouls Patches]] pulls the pit-kick stunt again in Tomb of the Giants, whereupon you can discover the hollowed remnants (and one still-sane priestess) of some of his previous victims. Should you choose to let him live, he'll set up shop in the Firelink Shrine... right next to a conveniently located cliffside.
** [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Patches the Spider]] is a little more subtle but still relies on this. He creates a TrailOfBreadCrumbs using Shining Coins which inevitably leads to sheer drop into a poisoned swamp. Bad enough, but at least this time he has the sense to stay away from the pit himself and only rush you after you follow the trail. In other games, he's just a terrible actor but in this one he's literally a bald man's head on an arachnid body, which would probably raise a number of red flags even if WAS fairly convincing.
** [[VideoGame/DarkSouls3 Unbreakable Patches]] attempts to impersonate a Knight of Catarina, and once again hints at the existance of treasure on the other side of the bridge he stands near, though the deception is still easy to spot due to Patches' BadBadActing. Walking out to the center of the bridge will have him lower it, forcing the player to fight or flee from the giants at the bottom. In this case the Ball can be volleyed back to Patches himself. Should the player have already ventured down below and killed the giants beforehand, Patches fails to notice their absense and simply lowers the player into a harmless, empty tar pit, only realzing his error after the fact.
17th Apr '17 1:28:16 PM Morgenthaler
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* While ''{{Shadowgate}}'' usually allows the player to force the ball on the hero by actively doing stupid things, there are a few cases where the hero is downright stupid. One example is the player can command the hero to go down a well. The in-game text states the hero ''leaps in head-first'' into what ends up being a dry well and the hero dies. This is a castle of an evil wizard filled with [[EverythingTryingToKillYou deadly traps and monsters]]. Why would the guy dive into a well without checking if there's water in it first?!

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* While ''{{Shadowgate}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Shadowgate}}'' usually allows the player to force the ball on the hero by actively doing stupid things, there are a few cases where the hero is downright stupid. One example is the player can command the hero to go down a well. The in-game text states the hero ''leaps in head-first'' into what ends up being a dry well and the hero dies. This is a castle of an evil wizard filled with [[EverythingTryingToKillYou deadly traps and monsters]]. Why would the guy dive into a well without checking if there's water in it first?!
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