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15th Apr '18 9:20:05 AM AsherTye
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* Imp from ''WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower'' is a coward who will avoid direct battle not to his advantage. He is also quite cognizant of the fact that his teammates fear of their mutual boss Hordak is the only thing preventing them from visiting great pain on his little body. Despite this, when Skeletor temporarily deposes Hordak, it is Imp who tries to rally the other Hordesmen to fight back... a decision that does not work out in the least for him.
12th Mar '18 8:43:13 PM Musicoftheage
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** [[VillainBall Señor Senior Senior]] is probably the worst offender of this trope, believing adhering to traditional villainy is better, which often means leaving Kim in a death trap while giving her a chance of escape. Junior often lampshades this by asking WhyDontYouJustShootHim
17th Dec '17 5:59:48 PM BenOfHouston
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** Justified since she's a kindergartner, and as such has a much more black and white view on things than an adult.
8th Nov '17 1:04:38 PM xcountryguy
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* The 2013 ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' video feature "WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooStageFright" has [[spoiler: Fred and Daphne winning the top prize on a show called "Talent Star" via popular vote. However, they deliberately throw the contest so Emma Gale, a sweet little girl who was a contestant on the show, could win the prize and save her family's farm]].

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* The 2013 ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' video feature "WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooStageFright" has [[spoiler: Fred [[spoiler:Fred and Daphne winning the top prize on a show called "Talent Star" via popular vote. However, they deliberately throw the contest so Emma Gale, a sweet little girl who was a contestant on the show, could win the prize and save her family's farm]].



* Brick from ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'' believed highly in his code as a cadet. So strong was his honor, that he sacrificed winning a challenge for his team to save the lives of Mike, Zoey, and Cameron, who were on the ''other'' team. [[spoiler: This resulted in his elimination, but those he saved saluted him good-bye.]]

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* Brick from ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'' believed highly in his code as a cadet. So strong was his honor, that he sacrificed winning a challenge for his team to save the lives of Mike, Zoey, and Cameron, who were on the ''other'' team. [[spoiler: This [[spoiler:This resulted in his elimination, but those he saved saluted him good-bye.]]



** Another is when Omi doesn't look up the secret to destroying all evil.... because he promised not to. And actually it's worse than that, because he DOES break the promise and looks it up... but now to feebly try to keep the now BROKEN promise he refuses to USE the secret. Sure, things work out in the better in the end, but it's still horrific use of this trope since as far as Omi was concerned, he was playing it painfully straight. [[spoiler: Though it turns out the secret was really the secret to destroy all good. Chase gives up that little tidbit. Omi then uses Chase's own words against him.]]

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** Another is when Omi doesn't look up the secret to destroying all evil.... because he promised not to. And actually it's worse than that, because he DOES break the promise and looks it up... but now to feebly try to keep the now BROKEN promise he refuses to USE the secret. Sure, things work out in the better in the end, but it's still horrific use of this trope since as far as Omi was concerned, he was playing it painfully straight. [[spoiler: Though [[spoiler:Though it turns out the secret was really the secret to destroy all good. Chase gives up that little tidbit. Omi then uses Chase's own words against him.]]



25th Oct '17 8:00:18 PM merotoker
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' episode "Brian Goes Back To College", Brian goes on a guilt trip after Stewie convinces him to cheat on a test and pass. After some internal conflict, Brian decides not to cheat on his final exam and he fails, but at least he feels good for being honest. The Griffins all say he should have cheated.
-->'''Chris:''' I HATE YOU!!!



* In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' episode "The Gathering", Goliath decides to have himself and his clan help their enemy, David Xanatos, stop the godlike Oberon from abducting his child on pure principle, considering they owe the billionaire absolutely nothing. Although it's obviously a difficult and dangerous task, Goliath is instrumental to making Oberon compromise to allow the child to stay. Subverted, since as a result, Xanatos then feels he [[IOweYouMyLife owes the clan big time]], which leads him to inviting them back to the castle to live safely after they are exposed to the public.
** Likewise Owen's participation in that battle, since he knew [[spoiler:Oberon would not be happy he was missing the Gathering]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''
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In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' episode "The Gathering", Goliath decides to have himself and his clan help their enemy, David Xanatos, stop the godlike Oberon from abducting his child on pure principle, considering they owe the billionaire absolutely nothing. Although it's obviously a difficult and dangerous task, Goliath is instrumental to making Oberon compromise to allow the child to stay. Subverted, since as a result, Xanatos then feels he [[IOweYouMyLife owes the clan big time]], which leads him to inviting them back to the castle to live safely after they are exposed to the public.
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public. Likewise Owen's participation in that battle, since he knew [[spoiler:Oberon would not be happy he was missing the Gathering]].



** ComicBook/WonderWoman is banished by her mother from [[LadyLand Themyscira]] for bringing men to the island and breaking the law. If she hadn't worked with the HostageForMcGuffin scenario, the Amazons would [[TakenForGranite remain in stone]]. If she hadn't received help from her teammates, Hades could have taken over. ComicBook/TheFlash points out this is ridiculous since she risked her life to save everyone. When the Gods have her return in "The Balance", she says she should leave after completing the task. Hippolyta asks her to stay and when she points out her exile, her mother explains that the Gods will have to deal with her if they have a problem with that. One wonders why she didn't say this the first time other than to have a BittersweetEnding.
** Because she was too stubborn. In the first episode, she even told Diana they shouldn't be concerned about the alien invasion. Or it could be that the 'no men' law was laid down by the Greek gods, and they don't ''like'' being disobeyed.

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** ComicBook/WonderWoman Franchise/WonderWoman is banished by her mother from [[LadyLand Themyscira]] for bringing men to the island and breaking the law. If she hadn't worked with the HostageForMcGuffin scenario, the Amazons would [[TakenForGranite remain in stone]]. If she hadn't received help from her teammates, Hades could have taken over. ComicBook/TheFlash points out this is ridiculous since she risked her life to save everyone. When the Gods have her return in "The Balance", she says she should leave after completing the task. Hippolyta asks her to stay and when she points out her exile, her mother explains that the Gods will have to deal with her if they have a problem with that. One wonders why she didn't say this the first time other than to have a BittersweetEnding.
** Because she was too stubborn. In the first episode, she even told Diana they shouldn't be concerned about the alien invasion. Or it could be that the 'no men' law was laid down by the Greek gods, and they don't ''like'' being disobeyed.
BittersweetEnding.



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', Korra publicly challenges Amon to a one-on-one duel, alone; [[MagnificentBastard Amon]] does not have the same moral qualms. And yet...

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'':
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Korra publicly challenges Amon to a one-on-one duel, alone; [[MagnificentBastard Amon]] does not have the same moral qualms. And yet...



* WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic: Applejack.

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* WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic: ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': Applejack.



* Subverted in a strange way in a ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' episode. Mojo has Blossom in a bind by having the Professor and her two sisters hostage. He demands Blossom's fealty and tries to use her honesty against her.
-->'''Blossom:''' What do you want?\\

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls''
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Subverted in a strange way in a ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' one episode. Mojo has Blossom in a bind by having the Professor and her two sisters hostage. He demands Blossom's fealty and tries to use her honesty against her.
-->'''Blossom:''' --->'''Blossom:''' What do you want?\\



** Another example would be from the episode where she first gets her "ice breath" power. After inadvertently causing the escape of a trio of robbers, she promises never to use her ice powers again. She has the timing to make this promise as a giant meteor is headed straight for Townsville. She's the only one that can stop it, yet she's insistent on maintaining her promise despite the fact that the promise won't ''matter if she doesn't do something''. Buttercup manages to snap her out of it, though.

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** Another example would be from the episode where she first gets her "ice breath" power. After inadvertently causing the escape of a trio of robbers, she promises never to use her ice powers again. She has the timing to make makes this promise as right before a giant meteor is headed heads straight for Townsville. She's the only one that can stop it, yet she's insistent on maintaining her promise despite the fact that the promise won't ''matter if she doesn't do something''. Buttercup manages to snap her out of it, though.



* {{ZigZagged}} in ''WesternAnimation/{{ReBoot}}''. Enzo has returned home to Mainframe, all grown up, big, strong and gunning for Megabyte, both literally and figuratively. When confronted by Enzo's gun, Megabyte taunts him into fighting like a "real sprite". Enzo puts away his gun...but then proceeds to send Megabyte flying with a punch hard enough to dent his chest, ''before'' Megabyte has a chance to prepare. And he then proceeds to do it ''again'' while Megabyte is still recovering from the first attack. When Megabyte inevitably cheats, he takes him on with a spear, then at the end of the fight, spares Megabyte... despite Megabyte enslaving the population of Mainframe, torturing his friends, and killing countless binomes.

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* {{ZigZagged}} ZigZaggingTrope in ''WesternAnimation/{{ReBoot}}''. Enzo has returned home to Mainframe, all grown up, big, strong and gunning for Megabyte, both literally and figuratively. When confronted by Enzo's gun, Megabyte taunts him into fighting like a "real sprite". Enzo puts away his gun...but then proceeds to send Megabyte flying with a punch hard enough to dent his chest, ''before'' Megabyte has a chance to prepare. And he then proceeds to do it ''again'' while Megabyte is still recovering from the first attack. When Megabyte inevitably cheats, he takes him on with a spear, then at the end of the fight, spares Megabyte... despite Megabyte enslaving the population of Mainframe, torturing his friends, and killing countless binomes.



* The 2013 ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' video feature "WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooStageFright" has [[spoiler: Fred and Daphne winning the top prize on a show called "Talent Star" via popular vote. However, they deliberately throw the contest so Emma Gale, a sweet little girl who was a contestant on the show, could win the prize and save her family's farm.]]

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* The 2013 ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' video feature "WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooStageFright" has [[spoiler: Fred and Daphne winning the top prize on a show called "Talent Star" via popular vote. However, they deliberately throw the contest so Emma Gale, a sweet little girl who was a contestant on the show, could win the prize and save her family's farm.]]farm]].



** In one episode, the town trick Lisa. She had cheated in a test (no, really) and her ill-gotten A got the school in a position to be granted government funds. When Comptroller Atkins showed up at a public conference to deliver the check, Lisa confessed and Comptroller Atkins decided to let them keep the money anyway. After WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons left, it's revealed to the viewers that, knowing Lisa would have confessed, the entire town had an imposter disguised as Comptroller Atkins to lure Lisa away and, when the real Comptroller Atkins showed up, they used a false Lisa to trick him.

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** In one episode, the town trick tricks Lisa. She had cheated in on a test (no, really) and her ill-gotten A got the school in a position to be granted government funds. When Comptroller Atkins showed up at a public conference to deliver the check, Lisa confessed and Comptroller Atkins decided due to her honesty to let them keep the money anyway. After WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons left, she leaves, it's revealed to the viewers that, knowing Lisa would have confessed, the entire town had an imposter disguised as Comptroller Atkins to lure Lisa away and, when the real Comptroller Atkins showed up, they used a false Lisa to trick him.



* In the third season finale of ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'', the Shredder decides that the perfect time to take revenge on Splinter is [[spoiler:seconds before [[{{ItMakesSenseInContext}} an army of extradimensional Tricertops]] [[{{EarthShatteringKaboom}} destroy the Earth]] in order to prevent the Kraang from using it as a foothold in the show's main universe]].

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* In the third season finale of ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'', the Shredder decides that the perfect time to take revenge on Splinter is [[spoiler:seconds before [[{{ItMakesSenseInContext}} [[ItMakesSenseInContext an army of extradimensional Tricertops]] [[{{EarthShatteringKaboom}} [[EarthShatteringKaboom destroy the Earth]] in order to prevent the Kraang from using it as a foothold in the show's main universe]].



* In the original ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats'' episode "The Slaves of Castle Plundarr", the mutants enslave humanoids resembling cattle. Lion-O, being Lion-O, wants to free them, and he and the elder [=ThunderCats=] do so. The mutants use "warp gas", an anger and aggression-inducing substance, to turn the freed slaves against their rescuers. Lion-O refuses to retreat, saying the Lord of the [=ThunderCats=] ''can't'' run. Cheetara tells him "pride carried too far is ''foolishness''."

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* In the original ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats'' ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats1985'' episode "The Slaves of Castle Plundarr", the mutants enslave humanoids resembling cattle. Lion-O, being Lion-O, wants to free them, and he and the elder [=ThunderCats=] do so. The mutants use "warp gas", an anger and aggression-inducing substance, to turn the freed slaves against their rescuers. Lion-O refuses to retreat, saying the Lord of the [=ThunderCats=] ''can't'' run. Cheetara tells him "pride carried too far is ''foolishness''."



* In the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' episode "Brian Goes Back To College", Brian goes on a guilt trip after Stewie convinces him to cheat on a test and pass. After some internal conflict, Brian decides not to cheat on his final exam and he fails, but at least he feels good for being honest. The Griffins all say he should have cheated.
-->'''Chris:''' I HATE YOU!!!
24th Sep '17 12:56:25 AM BNSF1995
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* Finn from ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' occasionally falls into this. He nearly has a nervous breakdown in "Memories of Boom-Boom Mountain" trying to make everyone happy because he made a vow to always help someone in trouble, and in "Videomakers" he insists on [[DigitalPiracyIsEvil obeying the FBI warnings]] on all their pre-Mushroom War video tapes.

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* Finn from ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' occasionally falls into this. He nearly has a nervous breakdown in "Memories of Boom-Boom Mountain" trying to make everyone happy because he made a vow to always help someone in trouble, and in "Videomakers" he insists on [[DigitalPiracyIsEvil obeying the FBI warnings]] on all their pre-Mushroom War video tapes.tapes, even though the FBI was destroyed in said war.
16th Sep '17 1:10:06 PM BenOfHouston
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' episode "The Gathering", Goliath decides to have himself and his clan help their enemy, David Xanatos, stop the godlike Oberon from abducting his child on pure principle, considering they owe the billionaire absolutely nothing. Although it's obviously a difficult and dangerous task, Goliath is instrumental to making Oberon compromise to allow the child to stay. [[Subverted]] since as a result, Xanatos then feels he [[IOweYouMyLife owes the clan big time]], which leads him to inviting them back to the castle to live safely after they are exposed to the public.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' episode "The Gathering", Goliath decides to have himself and his clan help their enemy, David Xanatos, stop the godlike Oberon from abducting his child on pure principle, considering they owe the billionaire absolutely nothing. Although it's obviously a difficult and dangerous task, Goliath is instrumental to making Oberon compromise to allow the child to stay. [[Subverted]] Subverted, since as a result, Xanatos then feels he [[IOweYouMyLife owes the clan big time]], which leads him to inviting them back to the castle to live safely after they are exposed to the public.
16th Sep '17 1:09:37 PM BenOfHouston
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' episode "The Gathering", Goliath decides to have himself and his clan help their enemy, David Xanatos, stop the godlike Oberon from abducting his child on pure principle, considering they owe the billionaire absolutely nothing. Although it's obviously a difficult and dangerous task, Goliath is instrumental to making Oberon compromise to allow the child to stay. As a result, Xanatos then feels he owes the clan big time, which leads him to inviting them back to the castle to live safely after they are exposed to the public.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' episode "The Gathering", Goliath decides to have himself and his clan help their enemy, David Xanatos, stop the godlike Oberon from abducting his child on pure principle, considering they owe the billionaire absolutely nothing. Although it's obviously a difficult and dangerous task, Goliath is instrumental to making Oberon compromise to allow the child to stay. As [[Subverted]] since as a result, Xanatos then feels he [[IOweYouMyLife owes the clan big time, time]], which leads him to inviting them back to the castle to live safely after they are exposed to the public.
13th Sep '17 9:49:27 PM BoyNinja
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* Stan Smith from ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' operates on this almost every episode he stars in. He believes helping people instead of letting them resolve their issues won't make them tougher but helpless, tried to keep Roger from becoming somebody so he wouldn't overshadow him (which was incredibly stupid), tried to toughen up Steve and his geeky friends for not being men by herding cows that were infected with sickness, actively tried to make sure his wife Francine wouldn't tell him to his face "I told you so" for the boneheaded decisions he believed were right, and tried to stay in the good side of his boss to be his number one man while forcing his family to look after his deranged wife and ''then'' an Asian prostitute (the latter he looked out for behind Francine's back). He has many to list.

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* Stan Smith from ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' operates on this almost every episode he stars in. He believes helping people instead of letting them resolve their issues won't make them tougher but helpless, tried to keep Roger from becoming somebody so he wouldn't overshadow him (which was incredibly stupid), tried to toughen up Steve and his geeky friends for not being men by herding cows that were infected with sickness, tried to toughen up Steve by disguising himself as a bully, actively tried to make sure his wife Francine wouldn't tell him to his face "I told you so" for the boneheaded decisions he believed were right, and tried to stay in the good side of his boss to be his number one man while forcing his family to look after his deranged wife and ''then'' an Asian prostitute (the latter he looked out for behind Francine's back). He has many to list.
6th Sep '17 5:52:23 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** In one episode, the town was GenreSavvy enough to trick Lisa. She had cheated in a test (no, really) and her ill-gotten A got the school in a position to be granted government funds. When Comptroller Atkins showed up at a public conference to deliver the check, Lisa confessed and Comptroller Atkins decided to let them keep the money anyway. After WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons left, it's revealed to the viewers that, knowing Lisa would have confessed, the entire town had an imposter disguised as Comptroller Atkins to lure Lisa away and, when the real Comptroller Atkins showed up, they used a false Lisa to trick him.

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** In one episode, the town was GenreSavvy enough to trick Lisa. She had cheated in a test (no, really) and her ill-gotten A got the school in a position to be granted government funds. When Comptroller Atkins showed up at a public conference to deliver the check, Lisa confessed and Comptroller Atkins decided to let them keep the money anyway. After WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons left, it's revealed to the viewers that, knowing Lisa would have confessed, the entire town had an imposter disguised as Comptroller Atkins to lure Lisa away and, when the real Comptroller Atkins showed up, they used a false Lisa to trick him.
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