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18th Feb '18 10:54:12 PM Manw0name
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** In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'' there are two cases of this: Cody, who suffered an HeroicBSOD for ''lying'', and for a while considered himself worthless to the point of not being willing to be the one chosen to escape from a underwater base in order to save the others. The D-3 chosen children also showed the troupe when it came to the point of having to kill an actual digimon, which wasn't a problem for the [[Anime/DigimonAdventure previous chosen]].

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** In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'' there are two cases of this: Cody, who suffered an HeroicBSOD for ''lying'', and for a while considered himself worthless to the point of not being willing to be the one chosen to escape from a underwater base in order to save the others. The D-3 chosen children (well, mainly Yolei and Cody) also showed the troupe trope when it came to the point of having to kill an actual digimon, which wasn't a problem for the [[Anime/DigimonAdventure previous chosen]].
8th Nov '17 12:57:32 PM xcountryguy
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** Essential to the TwistEnding of "Endless Odyssesy": [[spoiler: Harlock promises early into the series that he will help Tadashi Daiba succeed in his vow to kill the man who murdered his father, commenting on his belief that a man cannot break a promise and anyone who would break a promise or an oath is not a man. After Nu is defeated, he then reveals that ''he'' was the one who killed Daiba's father, as he had promised to do so if Tsuyoshi Daiba gave in to his hunger for knowledge and betrayed humanity to Nu. He repeats what Tsuyoshi's spirit had earlier revealed to Tadashi, that he has vowed to Tsuyoshi to kill Tadashi if he [[IWantToBeARealMan cannot become a man]], and firmly declares that Tadashi either kill him or be shot down.]]

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** Essential to the TwistEnding of "Endless Odyssesy": [[spoiler: Harlock [[spoiler:Harlock promises early into the series that he will help Tadashi Daiba succeed in his vow to kill the man who murdered his father, commenting on his belief that a man cannot break a promise and anyone who would break a promise or an oath is not a man. After Nu is defeated, he then reveals that ''he'' was the one who killed Daiba's father, as he had promised to do so if Tsuyoshi Daiba gave in to his hunger for knowledge and betrayed humanity to Nu. He repeats what Tsuyoshi's spirit had earlier revealed to Tadashi, that he has vowed to Tsuyoshi to kill Tadashi if he [[IWantToBeARealMan cannot become a man]], and firmly declares that Tadashi either kill him or be shot down.]]



* Despite the carnage that inevitably occurs around him, and his superhuman skill with a gun, Vash the Stampede from ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' is absolutely determined never to kill anyone. This puts him in increasingly tighter positions as the series progresses, [[spoiler:until he has to choose between killing a villain with his own gun or allowing his friends to be killed. He shoots. Or maybe the villain forced Vash to shoot him with his mind control powers. It's plausible that he would rather just force Vash to kill him than see Vash maintain his no killing rule (even though it would have caused Vash great suffering from guilt). Vash himself might not even know which happened.]] Fortunately, Vash is practically the platonic ideal of ImprobableAimingSkills, and even towards the end, there's very little death that could have been resolved by him shooting to kill, [[spoiler: unless you count him not killing Knives a long time ago.]]

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* Despite the carnage that inevitably occurs around him, and his superhuman skill with a gun, Vash the Stampede from ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' is absolutely determined never to kill anyone. This puts him in increasingly tighter positions as the series progresses, [[spoiler:until he has to choose between killing a villain with his own gun or allowing his friends to be killed. He shoots. Or maybe the villain forced Vash to shoot him with his mind control powers. It's plausible that he would rather just force Vash to kill him than see Vash maintain his no killing rule (even though it would have caused Vash great suffering from guilt). Vash himself might not even know which happened.]] Fortunately, Vash is practically the platonic ideal of ImprobableAimingSkills, and even towards the end, there's very little death that could have been resolved by him shooting to kill, [[spoiler: unless [[spoiler:unless you count him not killing Knives a long time ago.]]



*** The rest of the crew counts as well, even if it's disobeying their father's wishes. [[spoiler: Imagine if they all jumped in to rescue Whitebeard from death?]]

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*** The rest of the crew counts as well, even if it's disobeying their father's wishes. [[spoiler: Imagine [[spoiler:Imagine if they all jumped in to rescue Whitebeard from death?]]



** The dueling giants Dorry and Broggy are this UpToEleven. In short, according to their homeland traditions, if two warriors of Elbaf get into a dispute and neither will yield, they must fight, and the God of Elbaf grants victory to whoever is right. Fast forward 100 years, and these two guys are STILL FIGHTING. What's more, neither of them can remember what caused the argument in the first place; they still fight because its a manner of honor. [[spoiler: it was who caught the bigger fish.]] This is also why Dorry fights even when a bomb goes off in his stomach; he doesn't want to lose face and disgrace Broggy by quitting, and Broggy, even knowing that Dorry isn't at 100%, doesn't want to upset his friend by showing sympathy. Interestingly, even though they're determined to kill each other for petty reasons they can't recall, they're still best friends.
** KidSamurai Momonosuke is too proud to accept food even when he's almost skeletal with hunger [[spoiler: which saves him since he didn't eat the addictive, poisonous candy given to the other kids. He finally eats when sees his father give up his own pride]].

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** The dueling giants Dorry and Broggy are this UpToEleven. In short, according to their homeland traditions, if two warriors of Elbaf get into a dispute and neither will yield, they must fight, and the God of Elbaf grants victory to whoever is right. Fast forward 100 years, and these two guys are STILL FIGHTING. What's more, neither of them can remember what caused the argument in the first place; they still fight because its a manner of honor. [[spoiler: it [[spoiler:it was who caught the bigger fish.]] This is also why Dorry fights even when a bomb goes off in his stomach; he doesn't want to lose face and disgrace Broggy by quitting, and Broggy, even knowing that Dorry isn't at 100%, doesn't want to upset his friend by showing sympathy. Interestingly, even though they're determined to kill each other for petty reasons they can't recall, they're still best friends.
** KidSamurai Momonosuke is too proud to accept food even when he's almost skeletal with hunger [[spoiler: which [[spoiler:which saves him since he didn't eat the addictive, poisonous candy given to the other kids. He finally eats when sees his father give up his own pride]].



** A rare villain example in the form of Kimblee. As despicable as he seems, he still has his code of honor which he never breaks [[spoiler:even to save his own life, or at least keep his soul from fading away.]] Had Kimblee simply stood by as Pride [[spoiler: attempted to [[GrandTheftMe steal Ed's body]] when his own was disentegrating]], he might have even been able to reassert his own consciousness over Pride's at a later point.

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** A rare villain example in the form of Kimblee. As despicable as he seems, he still has his code of honor which he never breaks [[spoiler:even to save his own life, or at least keep his soul from fading away.]] Had Kimblee simply stood by as Pride [[spoiler: attempted [[spoiler:attempted to [[GrandTheftMe steal Ed's body]] when his own was disentegrating]], he might have even been able to reassert his own consciousness over Pride's at a later point.



** Ichigo displayed this trait again against Ulquiorra. Ichigo, at the verge of death, was so completely taken over by his [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Hollow]] that he lost all reason and not only overwhelmed Ulquiorra with raw power, but even stabbed Uryuu for trying to calm him down. When Ichigo regains control, and sees what he's done to both Ulquiorra and Uryuu, he insists that the only way he'll continue fighting Ulquiorra is if he's given the same injuries in compensation. ''This means chopping off an arm and a leg''. [[spoiler: Ulquiorra's too far gone, however, and dies before Ichigo can carry through his vow.]] It's especially bad because Ulquiorra has very clearly displayed that he can easily regenerate limbs. The fight would be even again if Ichigo just stood by and allowed him to heal up a bit naturally so the offer to have his own limbs cut off is exceptionally irrational.

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** Ichigo displayed this trait again against Ulquiorra. Ichigo, at the verge of death, was so completely taken over by his [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Hollow]] that he lost all reason and not only overwhelmed Ulquiorra with raw power, but even stabbed Uryuu for trying to calm him down. When Ichigo regains control, and sees what he's done to both Ulquiorra and Uryuu, he insists that the only way he'll continue fighting Ulquiorra is if he's given the same injuries in compensation. ''This means chopping off an arm and a leg''. [[spoiler: Ulquiorra's [[spoiler:Ulquiorra's too far gone, however, and dies before Ichigo can carry through his vow.]] It's especially bad because Ulquiorra has very clearly displayed that he can easily regenerate limbs. The fight would be even again if Ichigo just stood by and allowed him to heal up a bit naturally so the offer to have his own limbs cut off is exceptionally irrational.



* Jin from ''Anime/SamuraiChamploo''. A running plot-line of the series is the fact that his fellow disciples are trying to avenge the death of their master by killing Jin. Actually [[spoiler: Jin's Master was forced to kill Jin during the night by the BigBad because of Jin's defiance against turning their samurai school into an assassin school/guild. Jin merely killed him in self-defense. If Jin simply told the others this, it would save him a lot of trouble. It would also disgrace the name of their master and school so he takes full blame.]]

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* Jin from ''Anime/SamuraiChamploo''. A running plot-line of the series is the fact that his fellow disciples are trying to avenge the death of their master by killing Jin. Actually [[spoiler: Jin's [[spoiler:Jin's Master was forced to kill Jin during the night by the BigBad because of Jin's defiance against turning their samurai school into an assassin school/guild. Jin merely killed him in self-defense. If Jin simply told the others this, it would save him a lot of trouble. It would also disgrace the name of their master and school so he takes full blame.]]



* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', Sayaka refuses to replenish her strength with Grief Seeds, just because Homura uses them and Sayaka doesn't want to be anything like her. This was a very poor decision.

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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', Sayaka refuses to replenish her strength with Grief Seeds, just because Homura uses them and Sayaka doesn't want to be anything like her. This was a very poor decision.decision.
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9th Oct '17 4:14:06 PM MBG
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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'', [[NobleDemon Mizael]], one of the Seven Barian Emperors was big on this. When he and his fellow Barians Vector and Durbe confront Yuma, Shark, and Kaito on the Sargasso battlefield, he refused to use the "Sargasso's Lighthouse" card that his two allies were using (which would have protected him from the Sargasso's detrimental effects) calling it a "coward's card" and preferring a battle against Kaito on truly equal terms.

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* In ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'', ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'':
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[[NobleDemon Mizael]], one of the Seven Barian Emperors Emperors, was big on this. When he and his fellow Barians Vector and Durbe confront Yuma, Shark, and Kaito on the Sargasso battlefield, he refused to use the "Sargasso's Lighthouse" card that his two allies were using (which would have protected him from the Sargasso's detrimental effects) calling it a "coward's card" and preferring a battle against Kaito on truly equal terms.terms.
** At one point, Gauche faces off against Yuma, who has taken a ton of damage beforehand and is down to his last few Life Points, and his boss has made sure to set up the Duel on a field where players take damage every time they do something (meaning Yuma is effectively locked down). Being a BoisterousBruiser who saw Yuma as a WorthyOpponent, Gauche is disgusted at this, and activates a card that brings Yuma's Life Points to full in exchange for letting him draw two cards. When his boss gets angry at him, he merely responds "[[BlatantLies I just wanted to draw some cards.]]"
2nd Oct '17 5:46:43 PM Zaptech
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** The entirety of the Cell Games only goes down the way it does because the heroes treat it like a real tournament. Instead of simply powering up to full and the entire group all blasting Cell into oblivion at the same time, Goku goes in first, exhausts himself, then has Gohan go in, resulting in the entire group being beaten to near death. By the time the group wises up and actually DOES do this Cell has powered up so much and eliminated or weakened several of the Z Fighters so that those who are left to fight are too weak to do any actual damage. This is particularly odd because Cell would not be the first villain nor the last where ganging up upon them rather than giving them a "fair fight" is the exactly what they attempt to do. Oh, and then there's Goku healing Cell via Senzu Bean just to make it a fair fight when he ends up fighting Gohan.
*** In all fairness, a combined attack would probably wouldn't work. Cell was just so far and above them and he was holding back severely against Goku and Gohan (initially). Vegeta and Trunks could barely handle a single Cell Jr so they would be pretty worthless against a serious Cell, much less the weaker fighters. If Cell were to go all out and spit out Cell Jrs before Gohan turned Super Saiyan 2, they would definitely be screwed, and if even if they got the upperhand, Cell would most likely try blowing up the Earth since he's not exactly known to be a good sport. So in many ways, they were really at a Cell's whim, and playing along until Gohan was able to be strong enough to completely obliterate him before he pulls anything off was the only sure bet. Of course, you could definitely argue that they didn't really know Cell was that strong. Except maybe Goku.
2nd Oct '17 7:51:22 AM Psyga315
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** The entirety of the Cell Games only goes down the way it does because the heroes treat it like a real tournament. Instead of simply powering up to full and the entire group all blasting Cell into oblivion at the same time, Goku goes in first, exhausts himself, then has Gohan go in, resulting in the entire group being beaten to near death. By the time the group wises up and actually DOES do this Cell has powered up so much and eliminated or weakened several of the Z Fighters so that those who are left to fight are too weak to do any actual damage. This is particularly odd because Cell would not be the first villain nor the last where ganging up upon them rather than giving them a "fair fight" is the exactly what they attempt to do.

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** The entirety of the Cell Games only goes down the way it does because the heroes treat it like a real tournament. Instead of simply powering up to full and the entire group all blasting Cell into oblivion at the same time, Goku goes in first, exhausts himself, then has Gohan go in, resulting in the entire group being beaten to near death. By the time the group wises up and actually DOES do this Cell has powered up so much and eliminated or weakened several of the Z Fighters so that those who are left to fight are too weak to do any actual damage. This is particularly odd because Cell would not be the first villain nor the last where ganging up upon them rather than giving them a "fair fight" is the exactly what they attempt to do. Oh, and then there's Goku healing Cell via Senzu Bean just to make it a fair fight when he ends up fighting Gohan.
4th Sep '17 12:47:46 AM DarkHunter
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** Son Goku's seemingly illogical and insane [[FriendToAllLivingThings unconditional love for life]] and his ability to forgive '''anyone''' has allowed him to turn the dozens of monsters, madmen, and murderers that he has fought throughout the ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' saga (with the unfortunate exception of Frieza, Dr. Gero and Cell) into heroes.

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** Son Goku's seemingly illogical and insane [[FriendToAllLivingThings unconditional love for life]] and his ability to forgive '''anyone''' has allowed him to turn the dozens of monsters, madmen, and murderers that he has fought throughout the ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' saga (with the unfortunate exception exceptions of Frieza, Dr. Gero Gero, Cell, and Cell) Zamasu) into heroes.
26th Apr '17 3:59:04 PM AthenaBlue
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* [[IdiotHero Alice L. Malvin]] of ''Anime/PumpkinScissors'' insists on charging ahead and "destroying evil" no matter what the odds are against them. Even after she [[CharacterDevelopment started using more reason]] after she was kidnapped, [[WideEyedIdealist she stayed true to her ideals]].
* The heroes of ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' follow this trope to a tee. Surprisingly enough, even the heartless SocialDarwinist villain Shishio Makoto follows this trope, threatening to kill his scheming right-hand man, Houji, who proposed a cowardly assault on the loved ones of the heroes while they dueled his lord; for such behavior is, to quote Shishio himself, "Against the Way of the Warrior." They then do it anyway after Shishio lies to the Juppongatana about a supposed infraction Houji had committed that had put them in danger, as a way to put Houji on the spot and force him to prove the strength of his devotion, with Houji's resultant display of loyalty and committment impressing Shishio sufficiently that he claims the idea as his own.



* The heroes of ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' follow this trope to a tee. Surprisingly enough, even the heartless SocialDarwinist villain Shishio Makoto follows this trope, threatening to kill his scheming right-hand man, Houji, who proposed a cowardly assault on the loved ones of the heroes while they dueled his lord; for such behavior is, to quote Shishio himself, "Against the Way of the Warrior." They then do it anyway after Shishio lies to the Juppongatana about a supposed infraction Houji had committed that had put them in danger, as a way to put Houji on the spot and force him to prove the strength of his devotion, with Houji's resultant display of loyalty and committment impressing Shishio sufficiently that he claims the idea as his own.
6th Apr '17 9:50:23 PM nombretomado
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* Red from ''PokemonSpecial'' is subject to this as part of his firm belief that it's not a victory if your opponent is at a disadvantage. This has led to a few minor WhatAnIdiot moments, but even though this series is [[DarkerAndEdgier grittier]] than the anime, it's still an idealistic shonen, so it rarely bites him in the butt.

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* Red from ''PokemonSpecial'' ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'' is subject to this as part of his firm belief that it's not a victory if your opponent is at a disadvantage. This has led to a few minor WhatAnIdiot moments, but even though this series is [[DarkerAndEdgier grittier]] than the anime, it's still an idealistic shonen, so it rarely bites him in the butt.
16th Mar '17 9:42:14 AM TheSinful
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** While attempting to rescue Orihime in Hueco Mundo, Renji lectures Ichigo about "true warriors not fearing death" when the latter doesn't want to split up the group. Apparently Renji forgot that they were there on a rescue mission and they weren't supposed to get into a series of life and death battles.
26th Jan '17 9:53:11 AM ultimomant
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* ''Manga/YuYuHakusho'': [[TheLancer Kazuma]] [[RatedMForManly Kuwabara]] is pretty much the embodiment of this trope. He [[HotBlooded loudly]] declines his teammates' offers to keep him from dying, insisting that men fight their own battles, and later, after whupping a kid who nearly killed him and his {{Muggle}} friends, Kuwabara opts to save the kid's life by dragging not only his unconscious body, but the body all three of his friends to a hospital despite sustaining heavy injuries himself.

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[[TheLancer Kazuma]] [[RatedMForManly Kuwabara]] is pretty much the embodiment of this trope. He [[HotBlooded loudly]] declines his teammates' offers to keep him from dying, insisting that men fight their own battles, and later, after whupping a kid who nearly killed him and his {{Muggle}} friends, Kuwabara opts to save the kid's life by dragging not only his unconscious body, but the body all three of his friends to a hospital despite sustaining heavy injuries himself.



** Johan/Jessie from refuses to use cards that destroy opponent monsters with effects, claiming that such a strategy is too simple and boring.

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** Johan/Jessie from refuses to use cards that destroy opponent monsters with effects, claiming that such a strategy is too simple and boring.
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