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22nd Aug '16 10:18:43 PM immortalfrieza
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** The entirety of the Cell Games only goes down the way it does because the heroes treat it like a real tournament. Instead of simply powering up to full and the entire group all blasting Cell into oblivion at the same time, Goku goes in first, exhausts himself, then has Gohan go in, resulting in the entire group being beaten to near death. By the time the group wises up and actually DOES do this Cell has powered up so much and eliminated or weakened several of the Z Fighters so that those who are left to fight are too weak to do any actual damage. This is particularly odd because Cell would not be the first villain nor the last where ganging up upon them rather than giving them a "fair fight" is the exactly what they attempt to do.
14th Aug '16 6:30:18 AM TheGreatSaiyaman
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** In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure'', the main characters are capable of killing other Digimon without batting an eye, Kari and TK included. In the sequel anime, however, they make a big fuss about ''wounding'' a rampaging SkullGreymon that can ''very'' easily kill them.
20th Jul '16 7:56:43 AM Mhazard
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** Deconstructed in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Iron Blooded Orphans]]'', Carta Issue is obsessed with honor to a point she repeatedly loses to a group of [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatic]] [[ChildSoldier Child Soldiers]], despite Tekkadan making clear that her rules do not apply to them, she [[TooDumbToLive refused to learnt the lessons]] and repeated her feat, to the point [[spoiler:she ends up [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge killed by Mikazuki in a cold blood]] in their third encounter]].

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** Deconstructed in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Iron Blooded Orphans]]'', Orphans]]''. In a post-war world where pragmatism and survival are more vital than honor, Carta Issue is obsessed with honor to a point she repeatedly loses to a group of [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatic]] [[ChildSoldier Child Soldiers]], despite Soldiers]]. Despite Tekkadan making clear that her rules do not apply to them, she [[TooDumbToLive refused to learnt learn the lessons]] and [[TalkingIsAFreeAction repeated her feat, feat]], to the point [[spoiler:she ends up [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge killed by Mikazuki in a cold blood]] in their third encounter]].
20th Jul '16 7:54:32 AM Mhazard
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** Deconstructed in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Iron Blooded Orphans]]'', Carta Issue is obsessed with honor to a point she repeatedly loses to a group of [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatic]] [[ChildSoldier Child Soldiers]], despite Tekkadan making clear that her rules do not apply to them, she [[TooDumbToLive refused to learnt the lessons]] and repeated her feat, to the point [[spoiler:she ends up [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge killed by Mikazuki in a cold blood]] in their third encounter]].
3rd Jul '16 6:37:09 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross''[=/=]''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' Millia insists that Max shoot to disable Zentradi battlepods to simply put them out of action instead of simply killing them to show that the Terrans are serious about wanting peace. Even though this could be seen as completely insane considering the Zentradi finally decided to fight full out to destroy the ship, Hikaru Ichijo learns what his wingmates are doing and joins this act of mercy along with other pilots despite the dire situation. As it turns out, that gesture saves the ship because the many of the Zentrani forces, already becoming enthralled with Terran culture, learn what about the Humans' mercy and decide to mutiny throughout the fleet to stop the fight. Commander Breetai is horrified at that unprecedented insubordination and ordered an immediate ceasefire in direct violation of his orders.

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* In ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross''[=/=]''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' Millia insists that Max shoot to disable Zentradi battlepods to simply put them out of action instead of simply killing them to show that the Terrans are serious about wanting peace. Even though this could be seen as completely insane considering the Zentradi finally decided to fight full out to destroy the ship, ''Macross'', Hikaru Ichijo learns what his wingmates are doing and joins this act of mercy along with other human pilots despite the dire situation. As it turns out, that this gesture actually saves the ship because the many of the Zentrani forces, already becoming enthralled with Terran culture, learn what about the Humans' humans' mercy and decide to mutiny throughout the fleet to stop the fight. Commander Breetai is horrified at that the unprecedented insubordination and ordered is forced to order an immediate ceasefire in direct violation of his orders.
3rd Jul '16 3:37:55 AM gjjones
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* In ''LightNovel/MadanNoOuToVanadis'', the ''entire nation'' of Brune will only fight with swords and thinks that people who use bows are sissies and thus have no honor. The protagonist (an improbably skilled archer) politely thinks they're idiots.

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* In ''LightNovel/MadanNoOuToVanadis'', ''LightNovel/LordMarksmanAndVanadis'', the ''entire nation'' of Brune will only fight with swords and thinks that people who use bows are sissies and thus have no honor. The protagonist (an improbably skilled archer) politely thinks they're idiots.
7th Jun '16 8:14:32 AM DoctorTItanX
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** [[TheHero Ichigo]] believes in fighting his way. He won't let his hollow get in the way of that, even if disadvantages him to do so. His hollow taking over allowed him to not only survive Byakuya's killing blow, but to gain the upper hand and badly wound Byakuya. Upon regaining control, Ichigo apologised to Byakuya and asked if they could start the fight over. It was the first time Byakuya realised Ichigo had a lot more honour to him than he'd realised and, fortunately for Ichigo, he agreed.
** Ichigo displayed this trait again against Ulquiorra. Ichigo, at the verge of death, was so completely taken over by his [[SuperpoweredEvilSide hollow]] that he lost all reason and not only overwhelmed Ulquiorra with raw power, but even stabbed Uryuu for trying to calm him down. When Ichigo regains control, and sees what he's done to both Ulquiorra and Uryuu, he insists that the only way he'll continue fighting Ulquiorra is if he's given the same injuries in compensation. ''This means chopping off an arm and a leg''. [[spoiler: Ulquiorra's too far gone, however, and dies before Ichigo can carry through his vow.]] It's especially bad because Ulquiorra has very clearly displayed that he can easily regenerate limbs. The fight would be even again if Ichigo just stood by and allowed him to heal up a bit naturally so the offer to have his own limbs cut off is exceptionally irrational.

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** [[TheHero Ichigo]] believes in fighting his way. He won't let his hollow Hollow get in the way of that, even if disadvantages him to do so. His hollow Hollow taking over allowed him to not only survive Byakuya's killing blow, but to gain the upper hand and badly wound Byakuya. Upon regaining control, Ichigo apologised to Byakuya and asked if they could start the fight over. It was the first time Byakuya realised Ichigo had a lot more honour to him than he'd realised and, fortunately for Ichigo, he agreed.
** Ichigo displayed this trait again against Ulquiorra. Ichigo, at the verge of death, was so completely taken over by his [[SuperpoweredEvilSide hollow]] Hollow]] that he lost all reason and not only overwhelmed Ulquiorra with raw power, but even stabbed Uryuu for trying to calm him down. When Ichigo regains control, and sees what he's done to both Ulquiorra and Uryuu, he insists that the only way he'll continue fighting Ulquiorra is if he's given the same injuries in compensation. ''This means chopping off an arm and a leg''. [[spoiler: Ulquiorra's too far gone, however, and dies before Ichigo can carry through his vow.]] It's especially bad because Ulquiorra has very clearly displayed that he can easily regenerate limbs. The fight would be even again if Ichigo just stood by and allowed him to heal up a bit naturally so the offer to have his own limbs cut off is exceptionally irrational.



** Ukitake placed so much value on honour that he ignored his own misgivings and allowed Kaien to avenge his murdered wife. When Kaien requested Ukitake and Rukia stay out of the fight no matter way, Ukitake agreed and explained to Rukia that there was a difference between a fight for life and a fight for pride. Unfortunately, the culprit wasn't a normal hollow and had a special ability that proved Kaien's undoing.

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** Ukitake placed so much value on honour that he ignored his own misgivings and allowed Kaien to avenge his murdered wife. When Kaien requested Ukitake and Rukia stay out of the fight no matter way, Ukitake agreed and explained to Rukia that there was a difference between a fight for life and a fight for pride. Unfortunately, the culprit wasn't a normal hollow Hollow and had a special ability that proved Kaien's undoing.



** Yamamoto lost his left arm in the battle against Aizen. Afterwards, he chooses to leave it as it is, even though [[HealingHands Orihime]] would easily be able to restore it. He says he didn't think it would be right to ask a human for help in a matter that should have only involved shinigami. [[spoiler:Yhwach mocks him for this attitude, pointing out that if he still had both arms, he might have stood a chance against him, before killing Yamamoto.]]

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** Yamamoto lost his left arm in the battle against Aizen. Afterwards, he chooses to leave it as it is, even though [[HealingHands Orihime]] would easily be able to restore it. He says he didn't think it would be right to ask a human for help in a matter that should have only involved shinigami. [[spoiler:Yhwach completely mocks him for this attitude, pointing out that if he still had both arms, he might have stood a chance against him, before killing Yamamoto.]]



** Josuke Higashikata is the poster child of this trope. In a series where AnyoneCanDie he holds the distinction of having not killed a single human, despite the deaths of people around him, including his grandfather early on! Of course, that's just [[TechnicalPacifist not taking their life...]]
** In the Part 7, Steel Ball Run, Ringo Roadagain is determined to make sure that not only is he aware of everything that could play a role in a duel; he wants his opponent to be likewise aware. There's actually a good reason for this--those duels are to help purify his spirit of uncertainty. If neither side has an advantage (and before you ask, although Mandom's good at [[GroundhogDayLoop saving Ringo's neck,]] it gives his opponent the same capacity to avoid Ringo's attacks), then he can be sure that his victories were genuinely deserved.

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** Josuke Higashikata is the poster child of this trope. In a series where AnyoneCanDie AnyoneCanDie, he holds the distinction of having not killed a single human, despite the deaths of people around him, including his grandfather early on! Of course, that's just [[TechnicalPacifist not taking their life...]]
** In the Part 7, Steel Ball Run, Ringo Roadagain is determined to make sure that not only is he aware of everything that could play a role in a duel; he wants his opponent to be likewise aware. There's actually a good great reason for this--those duels are to help purify his spirit of uncertainty. If neither side has an advantage (and before you ask, although Mandom's good at [[GroundhogDayLoop saving Ringo's neck,]] it gives his opponent the same capacity to avoid Ringo's attacks), then he can be sure that his victories were genuinely deserved.
2nd Jun '16 10:23:43 AM Willbyr
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* Despite the carnage that inevitably occurs around him, and his superhuman skill with a gun, Vash the Stampede from ''{{Trigun}}'' is absolutely determined never to kill anyone. This puts him in increasingly tighter positions as the series progresses, [[spoiler:until he has to choose between killing a villain with his own gun or allowing his friends to be killed. He shoots. Or maybe the villain forced Vash to shoot him with his mind control powers. It's plausible that he would rather just force Vash to kill him than see Vash maintain his no killing rule (even though it would have caused Vash great suffering from guilt). Vash himself might not even know which happened.]] Fortunately, Vash is practically the platonic ideal of ImprobableAimingSkills, and even towards the end, there's very little death that could have been resolved by him shooting to kill, [[spoiler: unless you count him not killing Knives a long time ago.]]

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* Despite the carnage that inevitably occurs around him, and his superhuman skill with a gun, Vash the Stampede from ''{{Trigun}}'' ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' is absolutely determined never to kill anyone. This puts him in increasingly tighter positions as the series progresses, [[spoiler:until he has to choose between killing a villain with his own gun or allowing his friends to be killed. He shoots. Or maybe the villain forced Vash to shoot him with his mind control powers. It's plausible that he would rather just force Vash to kill him than see Vash maintain his no killing rule (even though it would have caused Vash great suffering from guilt). Vash himself might not even know which happened.]] Fortunately, Vash is practically the platonic ideal of ImprobableAimingSkills, and even towards the end, there's very little death that could have been resolved by him shooting to kill, [[spoiler: unless you count him not killing Knives a long time ago.]]
1st Jun '16 7:27:22 AM Willbyr
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* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'':

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* LampshadeHanging: Both protagonist and antagonist fall victim to this line of thinking in ''{{Claymore}}''. An awakened being [[spoiler:Ophelia]] puts all of her vulnerable, human portions at her tail and challenges Claire to cut through the awakened being's body using her dangerous "Flash Sword" technique. As Claire begins the test of mettle, [[spoiler:Ophelia]] thinks to herself, "The fool, she could've just ignored me and aimed right for my tail." [[spoiler:Ophelia]] seems to slightly realize that she too is guilty of honor before reason since she agreed to put all of her vulnerable parts in one easy to target place. As she continues to berate Claire's foolishness, [[spoiler:Ophelia]] thinks to herself, "Wait, who am I talking about?"

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* LampshadeHanging: Both protagonist and antagonist fall victim to this line of thinking in ''{{Claymore}}''.''Manga/{{Claymore}}''. An awakened being [[spoiler:Ophelia]] puts all of her vulnerable, human portions at her tail and challenges Claire to cut through the awakened being's body using her dangerous "Flash Sword" technique. As Claire begins the test of mettle, [[spoiler:Ophelia]] thinks to herself, "The fool, she could've just ignored me and aimed right for my tail." [[spoiler:Ophelia]] seems to slightly realize that she too is guilty of honor before reason since she agreed to put all of her vulnerable parts in one easy to target place. As she continues to berate Claire's foolishness, [[spoiler:Ophelia]] thinks to herself, "Wait, who am I talking about?"
18th Apr '16 5:28:23 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* In the original version of episode 2 of ''Anime/YuGiOh'', Pegasus points out that Yugi could have won at one point. Yugi explains that he couldn't let the match end while his monster was under Pegasus' control. Pegasus calls him a fool.
** In the virtual world arc, Ooka/Johnson was caught cheating by Noa/Noah and Jonouchi/Joey would have won by default. However, Jonouchi insisted on finishing the duel. Never mind the fact that a. Jonouchi already had a huge disadvantage (no cards in his hand and no monsters on the field. And more importantly, they were dueling for their lifes as the loser would be trapped in the virtual world forever. [[LampshadeHanging Even Yugi and Anzu/Tea wondered what Jonouchi was thinking.]]

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In the original version of episode 2 of ''Anime/YuGiOh'', 2, Pegasus points out that Yugi could have won at one point. Yugi explains that he couldn't let the match end while his monster was under Pegasus' control. Pegasus calls him a fool.
** In the virtual world arc, Ooka/Johnson was caught cheating by Noa/Noah and Jonouchi/Joey would have won by default. However, Jonouchi insisted on finishing the duel. Never mind the fact that a. Jonouchi already had a huge disadvantage (no cards in his hand and no monsters on the field. And more field). Not to mention he had plenty of reasons to hate this guy anyway other than the cheating (Ooka was an AmoralAttorney who had admitted he had seen innocent men convicted, and had been insulting Jonouchi the whole time.) Most importantly, they were dueling for their lifes as the loser would be trapped in the virtual world forever. [[LampshadeHanging Even Yugi and Anzu/Tea wondered what Jonouchi was thinking.]]
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