History Headscratchers / WorldWarZ

13th Sep '17 5:03:23 PM nombretomado
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** "especially when they could just let the Zombie Apocalypse wipe out their enemies for good. " Ugh, FlameBait. The ArabIsraeliConflict isn't a GuiltFreeExterminationWar.

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** "especially when they could just let the Zombie Apocalypse wipe out their enemies for good. " Ugh, FlameBait. The ArabIsraeliConflict UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict isn't a GuiltFreeExterminationWar.
20th Aug '17 8:12:33 AM psychicsaphie
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** I've got a better question. How the hell was route 95 that clear during a mass panic? There's no way they could've escaped Philly/South Jersey traffic, it's bad enough when everyone ''isn't'' fleeing for their lives. I grew up in NJ and had to make the commute for years. Philly/NJ traffic can rival LA's on a bad day, and a zombie apocalypse where lots of people are abandoning their cars is the very definition of a bad day.
30th Jul '17 1:00:11 PM HandsomeRob
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[[folder: Speaking of the Plane Infection...]]
* So, it takes about 12 seconds for a person who's bitten to be infected. How long was that plane in the air? Because I got the impression they'd been flying for a while before they noticed the entire compartment behind them was now Zombie class, but considering how quick a person gets infected while bitten, someone should have noticed the first infected person there. Things should not have gotten as bad on that plane as they did.
17th Jun '17 5:02:31 PM Gosicrystal
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*** First and foremost, I share your opinion of the author's favoritism and I don't mean to defend it. Any doubts that he was letting logic, reason, or basic common sense get in the way of that went by the wayside when we got his treatment of [[DracoInLeatherPants Fidel Castro the modernizing liberal]]. However, I think that the issues you are specifically pointing at have actual justifications, even if they are in spite of Brooks rather than because him. You are right that we also have no reason to believe that the US would behave better in the middle of a zombie apocalypse than it is now, but there is a difference between the US Government now (in all its' screwy wonder) and Putin's government now. The former has a lot more room to fall before hitting the same lows. This is especially since there has been extremely extensive contingency planning and installments to do exactly what you said: keep the basic functions of American society and government intact and working during a crisis. The fact that they succeeded in the US and not Russia isn't in and of itself godmoddy (even though plenty of other stuff in the book is): it's those contingencies and the dedication underpinning them slipping a bit but holding while in Russia that lack of care or dedication allows- say- Putin or whoever the Tsar is to make a power grab in the chaos to basically turn things back into medieval Muscovy. Finally, the idea that "militant theocrats gaining influence" is "much more likely in the US than the far less religious Russia" is a CriticalResearchFailure that manages to overlook the historical role of the Russian Orthodox Church, especially recently under Putin. Even if militant theocrats in the US could overcome all other obstacles (which is a big if) to gain power they would still have to fight ad kill each other over what kind of theocracy they want first. Or wind up with something like [[Literature/TheHandmaidsTale The Republic of Gilead]], which nicely illustrates how a "compromise theocracy" would be a dysfunctional and probably short-lived mess. Whereas in Russia having the church seize power or be co-opted by ambitious forces in the government is far, far easier. Especially since there is one overwhelmingly large church and it already has a lengthy history of being a handmaiden to totalitarian government. Whether this is a case of Brooks actually doing his research and not letting his biases override it, or him being AccidentallyAccurate is something I don't pretend to know so you'd have to judge for yourself, but it made sense to me and I'm not exactly an apologist for him.

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*** First and foremost, I share your opinion of the author's favoritism and I don't mean to defend it. Any doubts that he was letting logic, reason, or basic common sense get in the way of that went by the wayside when we got his treatment of [[DracoInLeatherPants Fidel Castro the modernizing liberal]]. However, I think that the issues you are specifically pointing at have actual justifications, even if they are in spite of Brooks rather than because him. You are right that we also have no reason to believe that the US would behave better in the middle of a zombie apocalypse than it is now, but there is a difference between the US Government now (in all its' screwy wonder) and Putin's government now. The former has a lot more room to fall before hitting the same lows. This is especially since there has been extremely extensive contingency planning and installments to do exactly what you said: keep the basic functions of American society and government intact and working during a crisis. The fact that they succeeded in the US and not Russia isn't in and of itself godmoddy (even though plenty of other stuff in the book is): it's those contingencies and the dedication underpinning them slipping a bit but holding while in Russia that lack of care or dedication allows- say- Putin or whoever the Tsar is to make a power grab in the chaos to basically turn things back into medieval Muscovy. Finally, the idea that "militant theocrats gaining influence" is "much more likely in the US than the far less religious Russia" is a CriticalResearchFailure that manages to overlook the historical role of the Russian Orthodox Church, especially recently under Putin. Even if militant theocrats in the US could overcome all other obstacles (which is a big if) to gain power they would still have to fight ad kill each other over what kind of theocracy they want first. Or wind up with something like [[Literature/TheHandmaidsTale The Republic of Gilead]], which nicely illustrates how a "compromise theocracy" would be a dysfunctional and probably short-lived mess. Whereas in Russia having the church seize power or be co-opted by ambitious forces in the government is far, far easier. Especially since there is one overwhelmingly large church and it already has a lengthy history of being a handmaiden to totalitarian government. Whether this is a case of Brooks actually doing his research and not letting his biases override it, or him this being AccidentallyAccurate a case of AccidentallyCorrectWriting is something I don't pretend to know so you'd have to judge for yourself, but it made sense to me and I'm not exactly an apologist for him.
9th Jun '17 3:15:28 PM Deutschbag
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*** Your knowledge is about 40 years out of date. The first model M16 rifles were prone to jamming due to improper maintenance and bad-quality ammunition. Modern revisions (such as the M16A4 and the M4 carbine) are very reliable when properly maintained. And soldiers maintain their rifles religiously.
3rd Jun '17 1:33:42 PM Sharlee
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*** That's assuming that individual troops have no more capacity to ''learn'' than the zombies do. After they've had to resort to the [=FoS=] drill a few times in a row, they'd surely say to Hell with the chest double-tap and start aiming for the head, visible signs of body armor or no visible sign. So that's maybe half a dozen shots squandered per soldier, minus the ones who catch on by watching their buddies switch to headshots only.

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*** That's assuming that individual troops have no more capacity to ''learn'' than the zombies do. After they've had to resort to the [=FoS=] drill a few times in a row, they'd surely say to Hell with the chest double-tap and start aiming for the head, visible signs of body armor or no visible sign. So that's maybe half a dozen shots squandered per soldier, minus the ones who catch on by watching seeing how their buddies switch drop more by switching to headshots BoomHeadshot only.
3rd Jun '17 1:32:12 PM Sharlee
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*** realistically, at the Battle of Yonkers, the infantry wouldn't be dealing with a giant horde. The horde would have already been utterly mulched by a competent collection of artillery, bombers, mortars, tank cannon, autocannon, GMPG, and SAW fire well before they get in range of the riflemen. The riflemen's job would have been to clean up whatever survived those weapons and slipped through the cracks. They'd be engaging small pockets of zombies that got through, not a vast horde of oncoming Zack.

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*** realistically, That's assuming that individual troops have no more capacity to ''learn'' than the zombies do. After they've had to resort to the [=FoS=] drill a few times in a row, they'd surely say to Hell with the chest double-tap and start aiming for the head, visible signs of body armor or no visible sign. So that's maybe half a dozen shots squandered per soldier, minus the ones who catch on by watching their buddies switch to headshots only.
** Realistically,
at the Battle of Yonkers, the infantry wouldn't be dealing with a giant horde. The horde would have already been utterly mulched by a competent collection of artillery, bombers, mortars, tank cannon, autocannon, GMPG, and SAW fire well before they get in range of the riflemen. The riflemen's job would have been to clean up whatever survived those weapons and slipped through the cracks. They'd be engaging small pockets of zombies that got through, not a vast horde of oncoming Zack.
3rd Jun '17 1:28:12 PM Sharlee
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** You have to take into account the resources at the time. Complex weapons with polymer frames were just not as easily produced in mass. You are talking about needing to make tens of millions of the weapon that needs to be easy to use, have a standardized munition, and modifiable for various roles. The SIR was said to be made out of wood (plentiful) and steel (readily available) for its production. Add in the industrial complexes, much less molds and blueprints to make an M16 or M14 may not have been there so they started from scratch.

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** You have to take into account the resources at the time. Complex weapons with polymer frames were just not as easily produced in mass. You are talking about needing to make tens of millions of the weapon that needs to be easy to use, have a standardized munition, and modifiable for various roles. The SIR was said to be made out of wood (plentiful) and steel (readily available) for its production. Add in the industrial complexes, much less molds and blueprints to make an M16 or M14 M4 may not have been there so they started from scratch.
** The blueprints for suitable weapons would've been available in the safe zone beyond the Rockies, because U.S. Ordnance Inc. manufactures Army and Marine M4s in Nevada. The vast majority of American-made military rifles come from factories East of the Mississippi, however: getting sufficient weapons into the hands of troops would've required a massive re-purposing of the hunting- and sporting-rifle companies that are more common in the West.
3rd Jun '17 10:42:23 AM Sharlee
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** Could be that refugees from Philly were already flooding into those areas, and Gerry wanted to get far enough away to avoid it if the infection spread to ''them'', too. Also, where better than a high-crime city to get their hands on some firearms for self-defense against Zacks, without going through the delays of legal purchase?
3rd Jun '17 10:28:35 AM Sharlee
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*** I myself thought that the zombies in the film were living infected people like the ones in 28 Days Latter, wasn’t until recently that people told me that they were walking corpses, so yes, the movie is pretty unclear about that regard. The “avoiding the sick” would’ve make more sense in a TechnicallyLivingZombie scenario.

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*** I myself thought that the zombies in the film were living infected people like the ones in 28 Days Latter, wasn’t until recently that people told me that they were walking corpses, so yes, the movie is pretty unclear about that regard. The “avoiding the sick” sick” would’ve make more sense in a TechnicallyLivingZombie scenario.


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** The vials' labels may have been in code. The specific researchers who used them would know what the code-numbers meant, but we have no reason to assume that said researchers aren't shambling around in the hallway, craving brains.
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