History Headscratchers / WorldWarZ

17th Oct '16 9:11:54 AM DoctorNemesis
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** To take a slightly more hopeful approach, the fact that humanity isn't already extinct means there's a chance -- however slim -- of solving these problems. A cure for Solanum might one day be found. The ecosystem could one day be repaired. It's a slim hope, perhaps, but it's better than no hope at all, which is what would be the case if humanity was already dead.
17th Oct '16 9:08:06 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** In fairness, that's three bullets to deal with one enemy. When you're dealing with just a handful of easily-killed humans at a time, that's an effective method of stopping them. When you're dealing with a massive horde of hundreds of dead people coming for you at once, that's both time-and-ammo consuming. I mean, I'm not a soldier, but if you're in a situation where there's hundreds, possibly thousands of people coming right at you at once, as in the Battle of Yonkers, the double-tap doesn't exactly sound like the most efficient way of dealing with them; you're gonna run out of ammo quicker and it's going to take you longer to deal with one enemy. Particularly if they're not wearing body armour and it still hasn't fully sunk in that only a head-shot would kill them.
9th Oct '16 2:12:00 PM jmic417
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** ^Even the above troper misunderstands the 250K round statistic. That number was attained by taking the sum total of all insurgents killed and all ammunition expended by the government in that period, smashed them together, and got 250,000 rounds per kill. Unfortunately it leaves out critical context....TRAINING. The vast majority of ammunition the US armed forces use are in training, so that when Marines and soldiers actually have to hit something they DON'T blow through all of their ammo. Current military doctrine positively harps on ammunition conservation. So much so that the US Marines switched from the belt-fed M249 SAW to the magazine-fed M27 IAR, going from a doctrine of "suppression by volume" to "suppression by accuracy".
31st Jul '16 12:56:20 AM Seanette
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** Oceania was mentioned in several chapters, with it being made fairly clear how the fared (not well, what with all the seaborne zombies and boat people.) Australia itself did okay since it's able to provide him with a hospital bed.

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** Oceania was mentioned in several chapters, with it being made fairly clear how the fared (not well, what with all the seaborne zombies and boat people.) Australia itself did okay since it's able to provide him their dying astronaut with a hospital bed.
19th Jun '16 1:56:40 AM Morgenthaler
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*** First and foremost, I share your opinion of the author's favoritism and I don't mean to defend it. Any doubts that he was letting logic, reason, or basic common sense get in the way of that went by the wayside when we got his treatment of [[DracoInLeatherPants Fidel Castro the modernizing liberal]]. However, I think that the issues you are specifically pointing at have actual justifications, even if they are in spite of Brooks rather than because him. You are right that we also have no reason to believe that the US would behave better in the middle of a zombie apocalypse than it is now, but there is a difference between the US Government now (in all its' screwy wonder) and Putin's government now. The former has a lot more room to fall before hitting the same lows. This is especially since there has been extremely extensive contingency planning and installments to do exactly what you said: keep the basic functions of American society and government intact and working during a crisis. The fact that they succeeded in the US and not Russia isn't in and of itself godmoddy (even though plenty of other stuff in the book is): it's those contingencies and the dedication underpinning them slipping a bit but holding while in Russia that lack of care or dedication allows- say- Putin or whoever the Tsar is to make a power grab in the chaos to basically turn things back into medieval Muscovy. Finally, the idea that "militant theocrats gaining influence" is "much more likely in the US than the far less religious Russia" is a CriticalResearchFailure that manages to overlook the historical role of the Russian Orthodox Church, especially recently under Putin. Even if militant theocrats in the US could overcome all other obstacles (which is a big if) to gain power they would still have to fight ad kill each other over what kind of theocracy they want first. Or wind up with something like [[TheHandmaidsTale The Republic of Gilead]], which nicely illustrates how a "compromise theocracy" would be a dysfunctional and probably short-lived mess. Whereas in Russia having the church seize power or be co-opted by ambitious forces in the government is far, far easier. Especially since there is one overwhelmingly large church and it already has a lengthy history of being a handmaiden to totalitarian government. Whether this is a case of Brooks actually doing his research and not letting his biases override it, or him being AccidentallyAccurate is something I don't pretend to know so you'd have to judge for yourself, but it made sense to me and I'm not exactly an apologist for him.

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*** First and foremost, I share your opinion of the author's favoritism and I don't mean to defend it. Any doubts that he was letting logic, reason, or basic common sense get in the way of that went by the wayside when we got his treatment of [[DracoInLeatherPants Fidel Castro the modernizing liberal]]. However, I think that the issues you are specifically pointing at have actual justifications, even if they are in spite of Brooks rather than because him. You are right that we also have no reason to believe that the US would behave better in the middle of a zombie apocalypse than it is now, but there is a difference between the US Government now (in all its' screwy wonder) and Putin's government now. The former has a lot more room to fall before hitting the same lows. This is especially since there has been extremely extensive contingency planning and installments to do exactly what you said: keep the basic functions of American society and government intact and working during a crisis. The fact that they succeeded in the US and not Russia isn't in and of itself godmoddy (even though plenty of other stuff in the book is): it's those contingencies and the dedication underpinning them slipping a bit but holding while in Russia that lack of care or dedication allows- say- Putin or whoever the Tsar is to make a power grab in the chaos to basically turn things back into medieval Muscovy. Finally, the idea that "militant theocrats gaining influence" is "much more likely in the US than the far less religious Russia" is a CriticalResearchFailure that manages to overlook the historical role of the Russian Orthodox Church, especially recently under Putin. Even if militant theocrats in the US could overcome all other obstacles (which is a big if) to gain power they would still have to fight ad kill each other over what kind of theocracy they want first. Or wind up with something like [[TheHandmaidsTale [[Literature/TheHandmaidsTale The Republic of Gilead]], which nicely illustrates how a "compromise theocracy" would be a dysfunctional and probably short-lived mess. Whereas in Russia having the church seize power or be co-opted by ambitious forces in the government is far, far easier. Especially since there is one overwhelmingly large church and it already has a lengthy history of being a handmaiden to totalitarian government. Whether this is a case of Brooks actually doing his research and not letting his biases override it, or him being AccidentallyAccurate is something I don't pretend to know so you'd have to judge for yourself, but it made sense to me and I'm not exactly an apologist for him.
29th May '16 3:02:34 AM jmic417
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*** I'd like to direct everyone's attention to the "Failure to Stop" drill, also known as a Mozambique double-tap. For those not familiar, this is an integral part of modern US military training and has been for decades due to the prevalence of body armor on the battlefield. "Failure to Stop" drills focus on delivering two shots to the torso and then a follow-up shot immediately to the head. And not just the head, specifically to the medulla oblongata, which is the exact part of the brain you'd need to destroy to kill a zombie. So I call BS on this whole book and the Battle of Yonkers.


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*** Agreed. This troper has run through many hundreds of rounds with an M4. Like any machine, a little lube goes a long way.
15th Apr '16 9:22:11 PM Luppercus
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*** I myself thought that the zombies in the film were living infected people like the ones in 28 Days Latter, wasn’t untill recently that people told me that they were walking corpses, so yes, the movie is pretty unclear about that regard. The “avoiding the sick” would’ve make more sense in a TechnicallyLivingZombie scenario.
15th Apr '16 8:57:54 PM Luppercus
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**Also, there are Arab-Israelis too; some of them hold office in government and many, if not all of them, have Palestinian relatives. It will be difficult for practical purposes for the Israeli government, no matter how right-wing (except maybe if the religious ultra-Orthodox are in power) to save only the Jews, what about the Druze, Christians and Muslims that are already Israeli citizens? And once you’re saving everyone Israeli no matter the ethnicity then the next logical step is to include the Palestinians as the difference between them and most non-Jewish Israelis is thin, especially for the practical reasons mentioned above.
16th Mar '16 9:45:55 PM CaptainMegaDong
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*How did that guy in Korea pull out his teeth with his fingers? That is literally impossible, your teeth in your mouth are extremely smooth, and it's impossible to get a grip on it with just your fingers. Seriously. Try, right now, to pull out a tooth with your bare hands, try as hard as you can. This troper guarantees it's impossible to even hold on. If you actually manage to pull out a tooth with your bare hands, I'd like to talk to you about the Avengers initiative.
16th Mar '16 9:35:20 PM CaptainMegaDong
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*Why did they need Gerry to travel around the world to figure out that zombies ignore terminal patients? Considering the ridiculous amount of people with HIV, AIDS, cancer, and other terminal illnesses just in America, you'd think someone would notice that most their friends had been killed by zombies, but their entire support group was just fine. How did nobody notice this? And don't say the cases were too small to be noticed by anyone large scale, considering all it took for Gerry to figure it out was seeing one sick looking kid not get attacked.
*Small one, but how did Gerry hear the counting toy perfectly over all the screaming and rioting in the beginning? That thing should have been pulled from the market for permanently damaging kids ears, because it has to be LOUD.
*Why are both of the children so horrifyingly stupid? In a terrifying situation, a kid is going to react by shutting up and listening to their parents, especially if they know that the parents are the only way out of it, and need to focus. So why is it that when they're trying to get out of Philidalphea, the younger idiot starts distracting her parents by screaming for them to get out of the car, go around to the trunk, and get her blanket, while the older one UNBUCKLES HER SEATBELT WHEN SHE CLEARLY KNOWS THEY ARE VERY LIKELY TO GET IN AN ACCIDENT. That's Darwin Award level stupidity, especially since she looks to be about twelve or so. And how did Gerry remember to grab his younger daughters counting toy, but couldn't take five seconds to grab the inhaler instead?
**And why the hell did the younger one wander off when they were in the apartment building? Any kid that age would be superglued to their parents by that point, but no, she's decided to go off and yell at a door. While standing for some reason with perfect posture several feet from the door, and yelling in a calm monotone. I mean, if they're trying to show that she freaked out and bolted, then she she should have been banging on the door and panicking, but no, this young child ditched her parents to calmly yell at some complete strangers. She's got a death grip on that idiot ball, that's for sure.
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