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15th Dec '17 2:59:42 PM Zaptech
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*** Zombies only fail to take sufficient damage from shock and awe tactics because Brooks didn't show proper shock and awe, and because Brooks gave them the wrong weapons. Proper shock and awe would have unending artillery barrages and air strikes the moment they had a good eye on the horde, using antipersonnel weaponry like napalm, flechettes, and airburst shrapnel. The zombies can't actually win when the military uses competent tactics and the right weapons, after all.
15th Dec '17 2:53:05 PM Zaptech
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*** The high tech weapons were useless because they used the wrong ones. Standoff anti-tank missiles and discarding sabot rounds are not anti-infantry weaponry. They would use Hydra 70s with flechette loads, airburst antipersonnel shells, and incendiary munitions against the zombies. Any moron who wasn't a PR hack would have known that, and PR hacks are never put in command of combat elements.


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*** That is not what shock and awe is about. Shock and awe is not about single shots with wonder-weapons, it is about continuous, overwhelming bombardment that is impossible to resist and guarantees destruction. You don't shock the enemy with the size of your gun, you shock the enemy with the completeness and thoroughness with which you utterly and completely destroy his entire army. Its a doctrine about leaving the enemy wondering why entire grid-squares of his units have suddenly stopped reporting in, and the process continuing with an unending tide of explosions getting ever closer. By its inherent nature, shock and awe is a sustained, constant assault; if you're going for shock and awe you don't bring a small amount of supplies, you bring a massive mountain of ammunition and fuel to continuously assault and obliterate the enemy with overwhelming force.


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*** The fact that they didn't know that the rest of the swarm was wiped out is incredibly stupid, since BDA of a zombie horde is as easy as hovering a helicopter nearby, just over rooftop level, and having a guy radio back how the bombardment worked. Getting constant recon and intel on a zombie horde is painfully easy since they can't shoot down helicopters.
15th Dec '17 2:40:00 PM Zaptech
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*** There are large stores of already-existing M16 and M4 weapons in civil defense and National Guard armories that could be rapidly mobilized to supply an expanding militia force. That and the actual internal design of the M16 is not complicated, relatively speaking, and is easy to mass produce once you switch over a factory's assembly lines. There was absolutely no reason to push out an inferior civil defense weapon like the SIR when you can just build more M4 carbines.
15th Dec '17 2:35:42 PM Zaptech
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*** In a situation where the troops are fighting in a competent, non-pants-on-head-retarded manner, the infantry should rarely, if ever, be in a situation where they are fighting that many zombies at once without support. A significant concentration of zombies would be met with armor support, air power, and artillery. That's how a modern military fights. In a realistic situation, the infantry would be providing close-in security for the armor and artillery crews, clearing buildings, and cleaning up isolated pockets of Zack while the tanks, artillery, and aircraft mulch the vast majority of zombies.
15th Dec '17 2:30:04 PM Zaptech
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*** The problem is that the US military in general never runs on RuleOfCool; no competent military officer in the US Army would have set up that battle plan. The Army never sets up a battle based on PR and news coverage. The Army knows what type of munitions work on infantry and what types work on tanks. The Army understands basic ideas like flank security, defense in depth, and concentration of force. The defense at Yonkers isn't something that an incompetent Army would set up; it's the defense a civilian with zero training or experience would set up. The defense at Yonkers was so incompetent and poorly designed that it's akin to the Pope reading a sermon from the ''Bhagavad Gita'' or a chemist with a doctorate not knowing what the difference between a neutron and an electron is. It's so incredibly, overwhelmingly terrible and incompetent that it shatters all suspension of disbelief that someone who managed to get through the US Army's officer training school and ground combat academy courses would come up with this, especially with the Army's emphasis on individual initiative of the men on the sharp end meaning that lower-ranking officers and [=NCOs=] would look at the plan and dramatically adjust it to something more effective.
15th Dec '17 2:18:51 PM Zaptech
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*** Additionally, you don't just have to hit the head you have to hit the brain, making the target even smaller. Add in panic and the fact that it may be family members, friends, or comrades that you are gunning down, you might lose your nerve.

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*** Headshots are hard against humans because humans don't stand in the open, shambling slowly in one direction. It is relatively easy to hit a head-sized target when all it does is gently sway side to side as it slowly shuffles toward you. Brooks was vastly overstating the difficulty in popping a zombie's head; soldiers are trained to shoot center mass but at the core that training is just putting rounds into the same spot, which can easily be adjusted up a foot.
*** Additionally, you don't just have to hit the head you have to hit the brain, making the target even smaller. Add in panic and the fact that it may be family members, friends, or comrades that you are gunning down, you might lose your nerve. nerve.
*** The brain takes up most of the head. The "sweet spot" of a head target is actually just between the nose and the mouth, as that allows a bullet to easily hit the brain stem. Unless only the cerebrum and cerebellum are essential to a zombie's bodily function, shooting a zombie in the head anywhere from the mouth up will destroy the brain and drop them.
15th Dec '17 2:07:05 PM Zaptech
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*** Preparation for extended artillery bombardment is a basic part of artillery crews' training. Standard counter-Soviet Cold War preparation assumed that artillery would be continuously firing for days on end. Fighting zombies would be easier that killing Soviet tank divisions, also, since they wouldn't have to worry about counter-battery fire and could just remain in position and cart up loads of shells constantly.
13th Sep '17 5:03:23 PM nombretomado
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** "especially when they could just let the Zombie Apocalypse wipe out their enemies for good. " Ugh, FlameBait. The ArabIsraeliConflict isn't a GuiltFreeExterminationWar.

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** "especially when they could just let the Zombie Apocalypse wipe out their enemies for good. " Ugh, FlameBait. The ArabIsraeliConflict UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict isn't a GuiltFreeExterminationWar.
20th Aug '17 8:12:33 AM psychicsaphie
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** I've got a better question. How the hell was route 95 that clear during a mass panic? There's no way they could've escaped Philly/South Jersey traffic, it's bad enough when everyone ''isn't'' fleeing for their lives. I grew up in NJ and had to make the commute for years. Philly/NJ traffic can rival LA's on a bad day, and a zombie apocalypse where lots of people are abandoning their cars is the very definition of a bad day.
30th Jul '17 1:00:11 PM HandsomeRob
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[[folder: Speaking of the Plane Infection...]]
* So, it takes about 12 seconds for a person who's bitten to be infected. How long was that plane in the air? Because I got the impression they'd been flying for a while before they noticed the entire compartment behind them was now Zombie class, but considering how quick a person gets infected while bitten, someone should have noticed the first infected person there. Things should not have gotten as bad on that plane as they did.
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