History Headscratchers / WhoFramedRogerRabbit

26th Mar '17 1:12:00 AM Dgon
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** It's hard to tell. On one hand we do see non-showbuz toons working around like the octopus bartender and the penguin waiters, or Eddie's bullets, so clearly not all toons are made for entertainment purposes. These could be cases of casually drawn toons or made just for a specific labor (like attending a bar). On the other hand it seems unlikely that anything drawn can come to life as then the amount of animated characters would be immense. The movie only provides three clues about toons' creation: 1- They are drawn and to some degree made of painting materials (Dip kills them as is made of paint remover and similar substances and Jessica says she was drawn, not born or birth) 2- They are --at least at that period of time-- considered properties (as Maroon says Dumbo was "lent" from Disney and the like) so their making is artificial and probably inside of an studio which would be the owner (of course, this is a metaphor for slavery and racial segregation). 3- They are to some degree connected to movies as Betty Boop is still black and white even in the real world which maybe means her existence begun inside a movie, otherwise there's no logic in her color. So, although we are close to WMG territory here, it can be speculated that the toons can’t be created easily and probably only studios have whatever is needed to do it, not common people. As how some toons get into the hands of common people (like Eddie’s bullets) well, your guess is as good as mine.

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** It's hard to tell. On one hand we do see non-showbuz toons working around like the octopus bartender and the penguin waiters, or Eddie's bullets, so clearly not all toons are made for entertainment purposes. These could be cases of casually drawn toons or made just for a specific labor (like attending a bar). On the other hand it seems unlikely that anything drawn can come to life as then the amount of animated characters would be immense. The movie only provides three clues about toons' creation: 1- They are drawn and to some degree made of painting materials (Dip kills them as is made of paint remover and similar substances and Jessica says she was drawn, not born or birth) 2- They are --at least at that period of time-- considered properties (as Maroon says Dumbo was "lent" from Disney and the like) so their making is artificial and probably inside of an studio which would be the owner (of course, this is a metaphor for slavery and racial segregation). 3- They are to some degree connected to movies as Betty Boop is still black and white even in the real world which maybe means her existence begun inside a movie, otherwise there's no logic in her color. So, although we are close to WMG territory here, it can be speculated that the toons can’t be created easily and probably only studios have whatever is needed to do it, not common people. As how some toons get into the hands of common people (like Eddie’s bullets) well, your guess is as good as mine.mine.
**Personally I would dispute the idea that all of them are properties. Roger is said to have a contract with Maroon not to belong to him, Jessica have to be blackmailed into playing with Acme (and lets disregard if it was sexual or not) if she were a slave Maroon just had to command her, and Acme left in his will Toontown to the toons which means they can legally inherit. That mean they (or some of them) are considered still legal citizens (second class citizens, of course, but not properties). About Dumbo's lending maybe is just that he is not anthropomorphic enough and therefore is considered the toon equivalent of an animal, like a real life elephant is to a human. For the rest I agree.
25th Mar '17 1:34:18 AM Luppercus
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** It's hard to tell. On one hand we do see non-showbuz toons working around like the octopus bartender and the penguin waiters, or Eddie's bullets, so clearly not all toons are made for entertainment purposes. These could be cases of casually drawn toons or made just for a specific labor (like attending a bar). On the other hand it seems unlikely that anything drawn can come to life as then the amount of animated characters would be immense. The movie only provides three clues about toons' creation: 1- They are drawn and to some degree made of painting materials (Dip kills them as is made of paint remover and similar substances and Jessica says she was drawn, not born or birth) 2- They are --at least at that period of time-- considered properties (as Acme says Dumbo was "lent" from Disney and the like) so their making is artificial and probably inside of an studio which would be the owner (of course, this is a metaphor for slavery and racial segregation). 3- They are to some degree connected to movies as Betty Boop is still black and white even in the real world which maybe means her existence begun inside a movie, otherwise there's no logic in her color. So, although we are close to WMG territory here, it can be speculated that the toons can’t be created easily and probably only studios have whatever is needed to do it, not common people. As how some toons get into the hands of common people (like Eddie’s bullets) well, your guess is as good as mine.

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** It's hard to tell. On one hand we do see non-showbuz toons working around like the octopus bartender and the penguin waiters, or Eddie's bullets, so clearly not all toons are made for entertainment purposes. These could be cases of casually drawn toons or made just for a specific labor (like attending a bar). On the other hand it seems unlikely that anything drawn can come to life as then the amount of animated characters would be immense. The movie only provides three clues about toons' creation: 1- They are drawn and to some degree made of painting materials (Dip kills them as is made of paint remover and similar substances and Jessica says she was drawn, not born or birth) 2- They are --at least at that period of time-- considered properties (as Acme Maroon says Dumbo was "lent" from Disney and the like) so their making is artificial and probably inside of an studio which would be the owner (of course, this is a metaphor for slavery and racial segregation). 3- They are to some degree connected to movies as Betty Boop is still black and white even in the real world which maybe means her existence begun inside a movie, otherwise there's no logic in her color. So, although we are close to WMG territory here, it can be speculated that the toons can’t be created easily and probably only studios have whatever is needed to do it, not common people. As how some toons get into the hands of common people (like Eddie’s bullets) well, your guess is as good as mine.
25th Mar '17 1:33:19 AM Luppercus
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** It's hard to tell. On one hand we do see non-showbuz toons working around like the octopus bartender and the penguin waiters, or Eddie's bullets, so clearly not all toons are made for entertainment purposes. This could be cases of casually drawn toons or made just for a specific labor (like attending a bar). On the other hand it seems unlikely that anything drawn can come to life as then the amount of animated characters would be immense. The movie only provides three clues about toons creation: 1- They are drawn and to some degree made of painting materials (Dip kills them as is made of paint remover and similar substances and Jessica says she was drawn, not born or birth) 2- They are -at least at that period of time- considered properties (as Acme says Dumbo was "lent" from Disney and the like) so they making is artificial and probably inside of an studio which would be the owner (of course, this is a metaphor for slavery and racial segregation). 3- They are to some degree connected to movies as Betty Boop is still black and white even in the real world which maybe means her existence begun inside a movie, otherwise there’s no logic in her color. So, although we are close to WMG territory here, it can be speculated that the toons can’t be created easily and probably only studios have whatever is needed to do it, not common people. As how some toons get into the hands of common people (like Eddie’s bullets) well, your guess is as good as mine.

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** It's hard to tell. On one hand we do see non-showbuz toons working around like the octopus bartender and the penguin waiters, or Eddie's bullets, so clearly not all toons are made for entertainment purposes. This These could be cases of casually drawn toons or made just for a specific labor (like attending a bar). On the other hand it seems unlikely that anything drawn can come to life as then the amount of animated characters would be immense. The movie only provides three clues about toons toons' creation: 1- They are drawn and to some degree made of painting materials (Dip kills them as is made of paint remover and similar substances and Jessica says she was drawn, not born or birth) 2- They are -at --at least at that period of time- time-- considered properties (as Acme says Dumbo was "lent" from Disney and the like) so they their making is artificial and probably inside of an studio which would be the owner (of course, this is a metaphor for slavery and racial segregation). 3- They are to some degree connected to movies as Betty Boop is still black and white even in the real world which maybe means her existence begun inside a movie, otherwise there’s there's no logic in her color. So, although we are close to WMG territory here, it can be speculated that the toons can’t be created easily and probably only studios have whatever is needed to do it, not common people. As how some toons get into the hands of common people (like Eddie’s bullets) well, your guess is as good as mine.
25th Mar '17 1:30:37 AM Luppercus
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* What is the line for a fictional character to achieve Toonhood in-universe? It's shown that there isn't actually any animation being produced--it's all filmed with Toon actors, but presumably, comic book characters are just drawn images in books. Does it have to be an audio-visual medium? Can there be Toons of video game characters? Can there be Toons of VisualNovel characters? Can there be Toons of Flash/Animate animations made by one person on Newgrounds? Can there be Toons of characters created, in the real world, by the FurryFandom? (However, I'm pretty sure neither the books nor the movie accounted for, let alone have any hard guide on, the increased diversity of entertainment media by the 21st century compared to the stories' time period.)

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* What is the line for a fictional character to achieve Toonhood in-universe? It's shown that there isn't actually any animation being produced--it's all filmed with Toon actors, but presumably, comic book characters are just drawn images in books. Does it have to be an audio-visual medium? Can there be Toons of video game characters? Can there be Toons of VisualNovel characters? Can there be Toons of Flash/Animate animations made by one person on Newgrounds? Can there be Toons of characters created, in the real world, by the FurryFandom? (However, I'm pretty sure neither the books nor the movie accounted for, let alone have any hard guide on, the increased diversity of entertainment media by the 21st century compared to the stories' time period.))
**It's hard to tell. On one hand we do see non-showbuz toons working around like the octopus bartender and the penguin waiters, or Eddie's bullets, so clearly not all toons are made for entertainment purposes. This could be cases of casually drawn toons or made just for a specific labor (like attending a bar). On the other hand it seems unlikely that anything drawn can come to life as then the amount of animated characters would be immense. The movie only provides three clues about toons creation: 1- They are drawn and to some degree made of painting materials (Dip kills them as is made of paint remover and similar substances and Jessica says she was drawn, not born or birth) 2- They are -at least at that period of time- considered properties (as Acme says Dumbo was "lent" from Disney and the like) so they making is artificial and probably inside of an studio which would be the owner (of course, this is a metaphor for slavery and racial segregation). 3- They are to some degree connected to movies as Betty Boop is still black and white even in the real world which maybe means her existence begun inside a movie, otherwise there’s no logic in her color. So, although we are close to WMG territory here, it can be speculated that the toons can’t be created easily and probably only studios have whatever is needed to do it, not common people. As how some toons get into the hands of common people (like Eddie’s bullets) well, your guess is as good as mine.
24th Mar '17 11:29:41 PM Kayube
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*** There does seem to be some sort of paint component to Toon matter, since one of the pieces of evidence against Roger is yellow paint from his gloves (which apparently actually belonged to Doom).
24th Mar '17 11:21:19 PM Kayube
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*** In the second book it's revealed that Eddie's sister married a Toon and had three children with him, though the text doesn't go into details on what their biology is like.
17th Mar '17 5:52:56 PM ZombieAladdin
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** Also, considering how toons are capable of bending space, Toontown is probably capable of expanding as much as needed to accommodate more residents, without interfering with the rest of the world.

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** Also, considering how toons are capable of bending space, Toontown is probably capable of expanding as much as needed to accommodate more residents, without interfering with the rest of the world.world.

* What is the line for a fictional character to achieve Toonhood in-universe? It's shown that there isn't actually any animation being produced--it's all filmed with Toon actors, but presumably, comic book characters are just drawn images in books. Does it have to be an audio-visual medium? Can there be Toons of video game characters? Can there be Toons of VisualNovel characters? Can there be Toons of Flash/Animate animations made by one person on Newgrounds? Can there be Toons of characters created, in the real world, by the FurryFandom? (However, I'm pretty sure neither the books nor the movie accounted for, let alone have any hard guide on, the increased diversity of entertainment media by the 21st century compared to the stories' time period.)
3rd Mar '17 9:12:56 AM erforce
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** This was the original plot of ''CoolWorld''. A cartoonist has sex with one of his creations (originally called Debby Dallas and intended to be played by Drew Barrymore), and she gives birth to a half human, half cartoon daughter, who eventually sets out to kill her father. [[ExecutiveMeddling This was changed overnight by everyone else involved, however.]]

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** This was the original plot of ''CoolWorld''.''Film/CoolWorld''. A cartoonist has sex with one of his creations (originally called Debby Dallas and intended to be played by Drew Barrymore), and she gives birth to a half human, half cartoon daughter, who eventually sets out to kill her father. [[ExecutiveMeddling This was changed overnight by everyone else involved, however.]]
1st Mar '17 9:14:08 PM Kayube
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*** The original toons could have looked like cave paintings, and evolved as humans developed new forms of visual art.
1st Mar '17 7:38:31 PM Kayube
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** It is implied that toons do no reproduce sexually, they are drawn by humans and giving life in some unspecified way probably not under control from the artists, as Jessica herself put it: "I was drawn this way". So overpopulation is only a problem if the animators make too many of them.

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** It is implied that toons do no reproduce sexually, they are drawn by humans and giving life in some unspecified way probably not under control from the artists, as Jessica herself put it: "I was drawn this way". So overpopulation is only a problem if the animators make too many of them.them.
** Also, considering how toons are capable of bending space, Toontown is probably capable of expanding as much as needed to accommodate more residents, without interfering with the rest of the world.
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