History Headscratchers / WITCH

4th Jan '18 12:54:40 PM taraneecook3
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* It always bugged me that Elyon was so willing to believe the words of a man she just met that she didn't even ask her friends for their side of the story. It is explained a little more in the cartoons as she was upset they didn't tell her the truth, but she doesn't even ask for an explanation. And it wasn't like her parents abused or mistreated her in any way,they really loved her and treated her like their own daughter yet she's perfectly fine with throwing them in prison. She even tried killing her friends several times because of what a brother she didn't even know existed until recently told her. In the cartoon she only believes them when it's nearly too late and her powers are getting drained. Elyon's sheer stupidity is so mind boggling, I have to wonder if Phobos used magic on her in addition to lying. On a side note, in issue #7 there are some soldiers who don't believe she's the princess. Does anyone know why not and why she didn't use her powers on them before Cornelia came?

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* It always bugged me that Elyon was so willing to believe the words of a man she just met that she didn't even ask her friends for their side of the story. It is explained a little more in the cartoons as she was upset they didn't tell her the truth, but she doesn't even ask for an explanation. And it wasn't like her parents abused or mistreated her in any way,they really loved her and treated her like their own daughter yet she's perfectly fine with throwing them in prison. She even tried killing her friends several times because of what a brother she didn't even know existed until recently told her. In the cartoon she only believes them when it's nearly too late and her powers are getting drained. Elyon's sheer stupidity is so mind boggling, I have to wonder if Phobos used magic on her in addition to lying. On a side note, in issue #7 there are some soldiers who don't believe she's the princess. Does anyone know why not and why she didn't use her powers on them before Cornelia came?came?
*How exactly do their powers work? Do they each get a fifth of the Heart's power or what? And the Aurameres are a little confusing. In the cartoon Miranda tries to destroy them because without them the Guardians are powerless but don't their powers come from the Heart of Kandrakar? And power-wise, the Heart is one of the most powerful magical items ever yet Elyon and Phobos wipe the floor with them. How does that happen? Also, how much does their Guardian form increase their powers, and how much more power does the New Power form give them? I would think that after the New Power they can fight enemies without transforming, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
25th Dec '17 11:18:45 AM taraneecook3
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* I'm surprised that nobody else has asked this, but [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to Phobos and Elyon's parents?]] Did I miss something? I mean, I heard that they died, but how? Phobos was shown to be somewhere between ten and fourteen at the time, and I don't think it would be very easy for a tween to just go in, kill his parents, hide the bodies, and then usurp the kingdom.

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* I'm surprised that nobody else has asked this, but [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to Phobos and Elyon's parents?]] Did I miss something? I mean, I heard that they died, but how? Phobos was shown to be somewhere between ten and fourteen at the time, and I don't think it would be very easy for a tween to just go in, kill his parents, hide the bodies, and then usurp the kingdom.kingdom.
* It always bugged me that Elyon was so willing to believe the words of a man she just met that she didn't even ask her friends for their side of the story. It is explained a little more in the cartoons as she was upset they didn't tell her the truth, but she doesn't even ask for an explanation. And it wasn't like her parents abused or mistreated her in any way,they really loved her and treated her like their own daughter yet she's perfectly fine with throwing them in prison. She even tried killing her friends several times because of what a brother she didn't even know existed until recently told her. In the cartoon she only believes them when it's nearly too late and her powers are getting drained. Elyon's sheer stupidity is so mind boggling, I have to wonder if Phobos used magic on her in addition to lying. On a side note, in issue #7 there are some soldiers who don't believe she's the princess. Does anyone know why not and why she didn't use her powers on them before Cornelia came?
15th Jul '17 6:22:43 PM nombretomado
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** They had no idea how to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea. Besides, radios, flashlights and binoculars already give a ''huge'' advantage against someone who doesn't have them (radios allow better coordination (and WorldWarII showed that inferior tanks with radios may overwhelm and defeat superior tanks without radio thanks to coordination), flashlights enable better moving at night, and binoculars allow to see much farther than with the naked eye and hit or run earlier)

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** They had no idea how to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea. Besides, radios, flashlights and binoculars already give a ''huge'' advantage against someone who doesn't have them (radios allow better coordination (and WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII showed that inferior tanks with radios may overwhelm and defeat superior tanks without radio thanks to coordination), flashlights enable better moving at night, and binoculars allow to see much farther than with the naked eye and hit or run earlier)
13th Mar '15 3:17:01 PM DarkAutomatonII
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** They had no idea how to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea. Besides, radios, flashlights and binoculars already give a ''huge'' advantage against someone who doesn't have them (radios allow better coordination (and WorldWarII showed that inferior tanks with radios may overwhelm and defeat superior tanks without radio thanks to coordination), flashlights enable better moving at night, and binoculars allow to see much farther than with the naked eye and hit or run earlier)

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** They had no idea how to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea. Besides, radios, flashlights and binoculars already give a ''huge'' advantage against someone who doesn't have them (radios allow better coordination (and WorldWarII showed that inferior tanks with radios may overwhelm and defeat superior tanks without radio thanks to coordination), flashlights enable better moving at night, and binoculars allow to see much farther than with the naked eye and hit or run earlier)earlier)
* I'm surprised that nobody else has asked this, but [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to Phobos and Elyon's parents?]] Did I miss something? I mean, I heard that they died, but how? Phobos was shown to be somewhere between ten and fourteen at the time, and I don't think it would be very easy for a tween to just go in, kill his parents, hide the bodies, and then usurp the kingdom.
31st May '14 9:59:44 AM EDP
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*** Vague attempt at rationalizing everything. For Phobos, it could be like in the comic book, where he's implied to be some kind of EldritchAbomination who reincarnates periodically (with the one appearing in the series being the current one), thus Nerissa and co. would have fought and killed the previous one. For the grave thing... Julian and the Mage were ''really'' lovers and was the one who buried her after she was killed, only for Nerissa to wipe his memory and take the Mage's place in ''everything'' to keep her escape secret, and when she finally renounced the rouse Nerissa ([[BecomingTheMask who had grown to actually love him]]) restored his memories.
22nd May '14 10:07:38 AM Cykuta
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** If you're talking about the cartoon, Nerissa's chronology makes no sense at all. The older guardians are said to have fought Phobos on Zamballa. While the cartoon only shows three of them (meaning that Cassidy was probably already dead and Nerissa imprisoned, since Kadma leads), they look young. When Cassidy's ghost meets Nerissa, they say it's been forty years - which would mean that Phobos has been active and up to no good since at least thirty years! However, even if Phobos ''was'' a fresh-faced forty-year-old tyrant, Elyon is only a teenager, which would mean Elyon's parents allowed the tyranny of Phobos for years while they worked on another child...? Not to mention that Nerissa tells Julian she's been impersonating the Mage, and Julian seems to know where to look for a grave and knows how old the grave is...

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** If you're talking about the cartoon, Nerissa's chronology makes no sense at all. The older guardians are said to have fought Phobos on Zamballa. While the cartoon only shows three of them (meaning that Cassidy was probably already dead and Nerissa imprisoned, since Kadma leads), they look young. When Cassidy's ghost meets Nerissa, they say it's been forty years - which would mean that Phobos has been active and up to no good since at least thirty years! years (otherwise the guardians should be visibly older on Zamballa, and perhaps have gotten a replacement for lost teammates?). However, even if Phobos ''was'' a fresh-faced forty-year-old tyrant, Elyon is only a teenager, which would mean Elyon's parents allowed the tyranny of Phobos for years while they worked on another child...? Not to mention that Nerissa tells Julian she's been impersonating the Mage, and Julian seems to know where to look for a grave and knows how old the grave is...
22nd May '14 10:03:52 AM Cykuta
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** If you're talking about the cartoon, Nerissa's chronology makes no sense at all. The older guardians are said to have fought Phobos on Zamballa. While the cartoon only shows three of them (meaning that Cassidy was probably already dead and Nerissa imprisoned, since Kadma leads), they look young. When Cassidy's ghost meets Nerissa, they say it's been forty years - which would mean that Phobos has been active and up to no good since at least thirty years! However, even if Phobos ''was'' a fresh-faced forty-year-old tyrant, Elyon is only a teenager, which would mean Elyon's parents allowed the tyranny of Phobos for years while they worked on another child...? Not to mention that Nerissa tells Julian she's been impersonating the Mage, and Julian seems to know where to look for a grave and knows how old the grave is...
2nd Feb '14 10:40:08 AM SomeSortOfTroper
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*** PlotInducedStupidity. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, reality warped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.

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*** PlotInducedStupidity.ForgotAboutHisPowers. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, reality warped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.
5th Dec '13 5:06:55 PM Ecclytennysmithylove
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* We know that the Heart of Kandrakar cannot be taken by force, but only given over by the keeper. Therefore, before Cassidy got the Heart, Nerissa had to give it of her own free will. And if she did, how can the whole story about how Nerissa became corrupted and killed Cassidy because of jealosy make any sense? Either this is a plot hole, or the story the WITCH girls are told is a kind of JediTruth.

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* We know that the Heart of Kandrakar cannot be taken by force, but only given over by the keeper. Therefore, before Cassidy got the Heart, Nerissa had to give it of her own free will. And if she did, how can the whole story about how Nerissa became corrupted and killed Cassidy because of jealosy jealousy make any sense? Either this is a plot hole, or the story the WITCH girls are told is a kind of JediTruth.



*** Well, maybe I just forgot. Would you please remind what was the issue where it is stated that the Oracle could take the Heart? As for chosing Guardians, I used to think that the team of Guardians is supposed to resign sooner or later, and only then their successors are chosen.

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*** Well, maybe I just forgot. Would you please remind what was the issue where it is stated that the Oracle could take the Heart? As for chosing choosing Guardians, I used to think that the team of Guardians is supposed to resign sooner or later, and only then their successors are chosen.



*** PlotInducedStupidity. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, realitywarped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.

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*** PlotInducedStupidity. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, realitywarped reality warped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.
13th May '13 4:59:37 PM cillianflood
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**I thought it was the raising of the veil that allowed her to be freed since they couldn't keep an eye on her anymore. Maybe I'm just remembering things wrong however.
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