History Headscratchers / WITCH

13th Mar '15 3:17:01 PM DarkAutomatonII
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** They had no idea how to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea. Besides, radios, flashlights and binoculars already give a ''huge'' advantage against someone who doesn't have them (radios allow better coordination (and WorldWarII showed that inferior tanks with radios may overwhelm and defeat superior tanks without radio thanks to coordination), flashlights enable better moving at night, and binoculars allow to see much farther than with the naked eye and hit or run earlier)

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** They had no idea how to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea. Besides, radios, flashlights and binoculars already give a ''huge'' advantage against someone who doesn't have them (radios allow better coordination (and WorldWarII showed that inferior tanks with radios may overwhelm and defeat superior tanks without radio thanks to coordination), flashlights enable better moving at night, and binoculars allow to see much farther than with the naked eye and hit or run earlier)earlier)
* I'm surprised that nobody else has asked this, but [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what the hell happened to Phobos and Elyon's parents?]] Did I miss something? I mean, I heard that they died, but how? Phobos was shown to be somewhere between ten and fourteen at the time, and I don't think it would be very easy for a tween to just go in, kill his parents, hide the bodies, and then usurp the kingdom.
31st May '14 9:59:44 AM EDP
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*** Vague attempt at rationalizing everything. For Phobos, it could be like in the comic book, where he's implied to be some kind of EldritchAbomination who reincarnates periodically (with the one appearing in the series being the current one), thus Nerissa and co. would have fought and killed the previous one. For the grave thing... Julian and the Mage were ''really'' lovers and was the one who buried her after she was killed, only for Nerissa to wipe his memory and take the Mage's place in ''everything'' to keep her escape secret, and when she finally renounced the rouse Nerissa ([[BecomingTheMask who had grown to actually love him]]) restored his memories.
22nd May '14 10:07:38 AM Cykuta
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** If you're talking about the cartoon, Nerissa's chronology makes no sense at all. The older guardians are said to have fought Phobos on Zamballa. While the cartoon only shows three of them (meaning that Cassidy was probably already dead and Nerissa imprisoned, since Kadma leads), they look young. When Cassidy's ghost meets Nerissa, they say it's been forty years - which would mean that Phobos has been active and up to no good since at least thirty years! However, even if Phobos ''was'' a fresh-faced forty-year-old tyrant, Elyon is only a teenager, which would mean Elyon's parents allowed the tyranny of Phobos for years while they worked on another child...? Not to mention that Nerissa tells Julian she's been impersonating the Mage, and Julian seems to know where to look for a grave and knows how old the grave is...

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** If you're talking about the cartoon, Nerissa's chronology makes no sense at all. The older guardians are said to have fought Phobos on Zamballa. While the cartoon only shows three of them (meaning that Cassidy was probably already dead and Nerissa imprisoned, since Kadma leads), they look young. When Cassidy's ghost meets Nerissa, they say it's been forty years - which would mean that Phobos has been active and up to no good since at least thirty years! years (otherwise the guardians should be visibly older on Zamballa, and perhaps have gotten a replacement for lost teammates?). However, even if Phobos ''was'' a fresh-faced forty-year-old tyrant, Elyon is only a teenager, which would mean Elyon's parents allowed the tyranny of Phobos for years while they worked on another child...? Not to mention that Nerissa tells Julian she's been impersonating the Mage, and Julian seems to know where to look for a grave and knows how old the grave is...
22nd May '14 10:03:52 AM Cykuta
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** If you're talking about the cartoon, Nerissa's chronology makes no sense at all. The older guardians are said to have fought Phobos on Zamballa. While the cartoon only shows three of them (meaning that Cassidy was probably already dead and Nerissa imprisoned, since Kadma leads), they look young. When Cassidy's ghost meets Nerissa, they say it's been forty years - which would mean that Phobos has been active and up to no good since at least thirty years! However, even if Phobos ''was'' a fresh-faced forty-year-old tyrant, Elyon is only a teenager, which would mean Elyon's parents allowed the tyranny of Phobos for years while they worked on another child...? Not to mention that Nerissa tells Julian she's been impersonating the Mage, and Julian seems to know where to look for a grave and knows how old the grave is...
2nd Feb '14 10:40:08 AM SomeSortOfTroper
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*** PlotInducedStupidity. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, reality warped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.

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*** PlotInducedStupidity.ForgotAboutHisPowers. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, reality warped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.
5th Dec '13 5:06:55 PM Ecclytennysmithylove
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* We know that the Heart of Kandrakar cannot be taken by force, but only given over by the keeper. Therefore, before Cassidy got the Heart, Nerissa had to give it of her own free will. And if she did, how can the whole story about how Nerissa became corrupted and killed Cassidy because of jealosy make any sense? Either this is a plot hole, or the story the WITCH girls are told is a kind of JediTruth.

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* We know that the Heart of Kandrakar cannot be taken by force, but only given over by the keeper. Therefore, before Cassidy got the Heart, Nerissa had to give it of her own free will. And if she did, how can the whole story about how Nerissa became corrupted and killed Cassidy because of jealosy jealousy make any sense? Either this is a plot hole, or the story the WITCH girls are told is a kind of JediTruth.



*** Well, maybe I just forgot. Would you please remind what was the issue where it is stated that the Oracle could take the Heart? As for chosing Guardians, I used to think that the team of Guardians is supposed to resign sooner or later, and only then their successors are chosen.

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*** Well, maybe I just forgot. Would you please remind what was the issue where it is stated that the Oracle could take the Heart? As for chosing choosing Guardians, I used to think that the team of Guardians is supposed to resign sooner or later, and only then their successors are chosen.



*** PlotInducedStupidity. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, realitywarped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.

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*** PlotInducedStupidity. The Oracle could've teleported her into the sun, crushed with sheer mental powers(which actually is in 100000 ton range), wiped her memory, realitywarped reality warped her into nothingness. Heck, he could've done this to any villain. And apparently, after rereading things, he couldn't take it away. Doesn't stop him from teleporting her into the sun though, as he's teleported Will against her will even when she had the heart. The Oracle is more powerful than even Elyon, who can purge an entire planet of evil within seconds. Arguably justified that he doesn't, he's not supposed to take action. The council as a whole however is allowed to do so.
13th May '13 4:59:37 PM cillianflood
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**I thought it was the raising of the veil that allowed her to be freed since they couldn't keep an eye on her anymore. Maybe I'm just remembering things wrong however.
19th Apr '13 1:22:09 AM EDP
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** I was under the impression Nerissa was freed ''before'' Phobos' rise to power, and was actually the mastermind behind it. I mean, Phobos was a child at the time, and the Mage, as an adult and a woman of the Escanor line, had more than enough power to spank him into submission even as an old lady. That and Phobos did fight the Guardians before the Veil was raised, implying that Kandrakar sent its remaining Guardians (possibly with replacements for Cassidy and Nerissa) and Phobos (who was a ''child'') somehow brought the situation to a point that the Oracle preferred to seal him in than continue the battle, something he just hadn't the power to do (in the cartoon Hay Lin, when the Heart was at full power, kicked the ass of an adult and ''experienced'' Phobos while weakened by a recent loss of life force, three or five Guardians at full power against child Phobos would have been embarrassing).
15th Mar '13 1:11:36 PM EDP
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* I know with the target audience the violence had to be pretty sanitized and bloodless. However they were already hacking around with everything from swords & battle-axes to medieval siege weapons to magical energies in the kiloton range soooo... all the rebels could think to smuggle across the veil were some radios, flashlights, and binoculars??? I think some assault rifles, shoulder launched ordinance, and copious amounts of mines & C4 would have gone a long way towards levelling the playing field against Phobos. No need to show the real results any more than they did with the equally bloody, crushy, and burny 12 Century toys Meridian already had.
** They had no idea where to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea.

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* I know with the target audience the violence had to be pretty sanitized and bloodless. However they were already hacking around with everything from swords & battle-axes to medieval siege weapons to magical energies in the kiloton range soooo... all the rebels could think to smuggle across the veil were some radios, flashlights, and binoculars??? I think some assault rifles, shoulder launched ordinance, and copious amounts of mines & C4 would have gone a long way towards levelling leveling the playing field against Phobos. No need to show the real results any more than they did with the equally bloody, crushy, and burny 12 Century toys Meridian already had.
** They had no idea where how to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea. Besides, radios, flashlights and binoculars already give a ''huge'' advantage against someone who doesn't have them (radios allow better coordination (and WorldWarII showed that inferior tanks with radios may overwhelm and defeat superior tanks without radio thanks to coordination), flashlights enable better moving at night, and binoculars allow to see much farther than with the naked eye and hit or run earlier)
15th Mar '13 12:05:55 PM EDP
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* I know with the target audience the violence had to be pretty sanitized and bloodless. However they were already hacking around with everything from swords & battle-axes to medieval siege weapons to magical energies in the kiloton range soooo... all the rebels could think to smuggle across the veil were some radios, flashlights, and binoculars??? I think some assault rifles, shoulder launched ordinance, and copious amounts of mines & C4 would have gone a long way towards levelling the playing field against Phobos. No need to show the real results any more than they did with the equally bloody, crushy, and burny 12 Century toys Meridian already had.

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* I know with the target audience the violence had to be pretty sanitized and bloodless. However they were already hacking around with everything from swords & battle-axes to medieval siege weapons to magical energies in the kiloton range soooo... all the rebels could think to smuggle across the veil were some radios, flashlights, and binoculars??? I think some assault rifles, shoulder launched ordinance, and copious amounts of mines & C4 would have gone a long way towards levelling the playing field against Phobos. No need to show the real results any more than they did with the equally bloody, crushy, and burny 12 Century toys Meridian already had.had.
** They had no idea where to procure them in useful numbers. And even if they had (or decided to ransack the police armory), Irma (whose father is a cop with a gun in the house. I know from personal experience that responsible cops tend to beat UsefulNotes/GunSafety in the heads of their children and, indirectly, grandchildren) would have freaked out and demanded the necessary UsefulNotes/GunSafety, making the girls realize ''why'' it would have been an horrible idea.
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