History Headscratchers / VampireTheMasquerade

3rd Apr '16 8:02:10 PM MrJello
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* At various points, it's made clear that the Sabbat supposedly hold the Masquerade in contempt, considering it cowardly to hide from 'inferior' humans. If such is the case, and the Sabbat control large portions of North and South America, how can the Masquerade still exist? Just how long could the Camarilla keep it hidden from the rest of the world if packs of Sabbat were regularly and openly using their supernatural powers and doing as they pleased with their victims in the streets of places like Mexico City, where the Camarilla can do nothing to stop them? I seem to recall some fluff about how the Sabbat are hypocrites and, in practice, maintain a Masquerade while pretending to be above it, but it seems like such an absolutely critical part of Cainite existence, and so tricky to maintain without special efforts to maintain it, that an 'informal understanding' simply wouldn't cut it.
12th Mar '15 10:50:09 AM SecondJames
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**** Humans don't forget the whole experience, just the specifics. Vampire uses the 'being fed on feels like sex' schtick, and humans are left with vague memories of a very pleasant experience. Some like it so much they keep coming back for more, and form a Herd.
16th Jan '15 2:46:51 PM Phaolan
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*** The Camarilla are all like, 'Yeah, those guys DID exist, but they're all dead now. Isn't that what the Sabbat did? Kill the last ones? Yeah, and please don't worry about the Giovanni or the Tremere. They did us a big FAVOUR for taking down those jerks. Now get back to polishing my collection of skulls!'
2nd Nov '14 9:46:53 AM SeriesOfNumbers
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*** Mortals don't remember being fed on. Victim dies only when a vampire loses control and drinks human dry, which happens from time to time.

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*** Mortals don't remember being fed on. Victim dies only when a vampire loses control and drinks human dry, which happens from time to time. time.
**** Okay, thanks for clearing these things up for me, but that leaves me with another question. If mortals don't remember being fed on, then how do some vampires have a "herd" of the same humans who they feed on over and over? How can a mortal join a herd if each time they're fed on they forget afterward?
14th Oct '14 5:23:04 AM Broseidon
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** The section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade?

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** The section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade? Masquerade?
*** Mortals don't remember being fed on. Victim dies only when a vampire loses control and drinks human dry, which happens from time to time.


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*** Human vitae is much richer and tastier than animal.
3rd Oct '14 10:23:01 AM SeriesOfNumbers
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* In the book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade?

Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]

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* In the The book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the had me scratching my head twice:
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section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade?

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chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
3rd Oct '14 10:20:57 AM SeriesOfNumbers
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* In the book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade? Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]

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* In the book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade? Masquerade?

Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
3rd Oct '14 10:19:58 AM SeriesOfNumbers
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* In the book "Milwaukee After Dark" (which is about the RealLife city of Milwaukee in the World Of Darkness and the activities of vampires there) the section about East Downtown says vamps particularly like feeding on people at the Milwaukee Athletic Center in part because "such vessels are much less risky to drink from since they can loose more blood without getting too weak to survive." But if vampires went around drinking people's blood without killing them, wouldn't that break the Masquerade? Also, in chapter 3 of that same book, the vampire character Akawa talks about how much he hates the city and "fed from animals rather than touch the stinking vessels around me." If vampires can survive by feeding from animals, why don't more of them do so? [[PragmaticVillainy Even if they don't value human life, wouldn't feeding from animals be safer since they wouldn't have to hide from humans to avoid being killed anymore?]]
25th Oct '13 10:36:07 PM NoMoshing
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*** You're assuming that everyone knew that Fourteenth gen was the Official Beginning of the Thin-Bloods (tm). It's pretty easy to imagine a progress culling- say, everyone assume Eighth gen are the new thin-bloods, being unable to use six-dot disciplines, and there is a mass slaughter until enough Eighth-gen vampires slip through the crack to become the new normal. Then, everyone starts picking on the Ninth gen....
15th Aug '13 1:06:52 AM Korodzik
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** Because once moonlight reaches Earth, it is weakened '''over two hundred thousand times.'''[[hottip:*:The Moon is a convex spherical mirror and reflects incoming sunlight as though it comes from a point on the depth of ''half'' the Moon's radius. So, the focal distance is f, Moon's radius r=2f, the ''Earth's radius'' R=(ca.)=4r=8f, and the Earth-Moon-Distance D=(ca.)=60R=480f; The distance from the focus to the Earth's surface is then F=D-(r-f)-R=480f-f-8f=471f. The sunlight coming on '''1''' square cm or in of moon surface is then dispersed on 471*471=221841, and the intensity of the light diminishes accordingly.]] Wouldn't cause even bashing.

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** Because once moonlight reaches Earth, it is weakened '''over two hundred thousand times.'''[[hottip:*:The '''[[note]]The Moon is a convex spherical mirror and reflects incoming sunlight as though it comes from a point on the depth of ''half'' the Moon's radius. So, the focal distance is f, Moon's radius r=2f, the ''Earth's radius'' R=(ca.)=4r=8f, and the Earth-Moon-Distance D=(ca.)=60R=480f; The distance from the focus to the Earth's surface is then F=D-(r-f)-R=480f-f-8f=471f. The sunlight coming on '''1''' square cm or in of moon surface is then dispersed on 471*471=221841, and the intensity of the light diminishes accordingly.]] [[/note]] Wouldn't cause even bashing.
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